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the. joy of. the uk good reason why i joined the army. i mean easy for my recruiter i say as why should a machine get a job out of a place inside right here. i was raised on american pie i was a cradle conservative i was voted most likely to succeed most conservative my nickname among a lot of my friends was g.i. josh and i wanted to defend my country and i tried to listen to marines right out of high school that hurt five or paul said join the national guard and i wound up going to west point and the commissioned officer. for bali i'm a patriotic son of a gone by loves country it's done some great things for me about some great opportunities all of my grandfathers fought for one my father fought

a war war two were had off of the fog korea because it was their fault and vietnam or so there has been a family member in the military since there have been a couple. that some point every soldier has to face the question like be able to kill another human being in the congo. this film is about killing in war and about some u.s. soldiers who have chosen not to the evidence is that far

more soldiers refused to kill and we might expect in world war two research by the official u.s. army historian brigadier general s.l.a. marshall revealed that among the u.s. soldiers in combat less than twenty five percent actually fired their weapons at the enemy. even with their own lives at risk seventy five percent did not try to kill the enemy marshall wrote the average individual still has such an inner resistance toward killing a fellow man that he will not take a life if it is possible to turn away from that responsibility at the vital point he becomes a conscientious objector. when

you start doing as a soldier as a human being or you want to live what. you have to ask yourself and why situations would kill and be right. it's just not something you can put behind it stays with you carry your heart. to. people or shots by how upsetting it is to kill another human being. it's not that soldiers are somehow different or it's not hard to kill. soldiers

will kill. only because they've been trained to do that. i never heard of her i mean i. am not a parrot that's the if. i were if. i were the birth of the. little right right right right here. a little part. now when the bullets start flying that about god or country like that the man right next to you left in your right and that's about it

. if. you don't want to look it up enough some people do they cope with it differently than i do it all but they don't talk about what they did over there with a wife and i mean the only time i get drunk. i told my wife but i do know that. of course i drive but it does happen sometimes just have to let it out. during. the night. but i was over there. maybe i should i had to go through

a ten year old boy over there. he's going grenades in my squad if you do that grenada would have been maybe five or six maybe the entire squad would have been he's a killed or wounded or just one kid and that's something that's something that you know that i made a decision because i was the person in charge at that time and i got no regrets about it but looking back at it. it's like the demons come back. that's where the hearts. and i say they were are we are doing the right thing over there. is. people just don't understand what it's like to be your.

you know we recruit people to serve their country and to kill we train them how to kill we as asters develop the orders for them to kill. given awards or power on the back a lot of times or you know credit them for being affective fighters and killers but we never explain to them why it's ok so that when they do with even trained so well to do they can be at peace with their consciences for the rest of their life. has anyone heard of the s.l.a. marshall man against fire that's all you marshal was the army's first real story he was the head of the history department for world war two one thing he noticed is

that in most units only one in four people try to kill the enemy. most people were at the point of looking down in time to pull the trigger became cancer intersubjective and there was a lot of once he reported that there was a lot of people coming out saying yeah. that was my experience i just couldn't kill . so the army decided well that's not good so the army said ok how do we help them overcome this. and they said let's condition people so the idea is reflexive fire training. and just conditioning conditioning conditioning. you sure to post. what you want people to do this are so trained they just. where's the next target and that's good it becomes muscle memory you don't think about it you just do it if you raise and you shoot as fast as you can.

so. firing rates when i was like fifteen to sixteen percent during the korean war i was introduced as not a trained maybe five to ninety percent in the vietnam war and i haven't seen any numbers on a kurd war but. i thought of a lot of. people say. people are more lethal believe every man. think. the problem with reflexive fire training is it does bypass their moral decision making process so as in previous wars before we had this kind of training a soldier would look at a target and think through you know thinking through should i shoot this person ok

now i'm going to shoot what i think's time that's dangerous. when you train a reflexive lee don't they learn to make those decisions much more quickly but the price of that is they're not thinking through the great moral decision of killing another human being. we sleep comfortably in our beds at night because a violent men do violence on our behalf when i first read that i thought to myself i'm the person who allows people to sleep comfortably in their beds at night but hadn't actually gone to do the violence yet. i grew up in an evangelical household in eventual christian household i grew up hearing stories about the nobility of service.

and war is not fought by or for ideas it was thought by individual persons it was that's human will. liberty and democracy were not necessarily in the forefront of my mind i was first told to lock and load my m. sixteen. i was the only person to raise my hands when the convoy commander as who's never done this before. looked me eyes he said. when you have your selector lever and see the semi you're shooting to kill. i stuck my m. sixteen of the better two ton truck. i was thinking about what's my field of fire. who's on the side of the road. who's that moving on top of the building. i was

acting on instinct which is usually the mode the soldiers go into when they enter a combat zone. and for a kid who grew up in evangelical christianity as much as we might be patriotic or something doesn't quite sit right i was thinking about the stories in sunday school of a gentle jesus in the gospels that says if a man strikes you on the left cheek turn him also your right. has started to ask questions about redemption. and what would it look like if that

same determination that's used to the the enemy is used to redeem the enemy. the nine eleven. i had to act. i focused on duty. i focused on the job ahead. and. following summer i started training in the art of interrogation. and i was pretty good at.

hand. i've never killed anyone but i've talked with a lot of people who have in the profession where that's a regular part of business right now and i decided i really want to understand this better. well one of the things i did then to try to just get new ideas was i put aquarian to army magazine and i wrote and said if you've killed anyone in war in combat i would be very interested to hear how you justify it oh the responses they got how amen someone has to be talking about this this is great that nasir is talking about it and the other half or what the hellcat don't have anything more to do how dare you question the morality of what we're doing and we don't talk about

it it's a taboo topic soldiers it's sort of their inner pain very often that they live with this person who wrote is a vietnam veteran who talked about he said the three fears that were in our twenty year old minds back then in the jungle one will i be able to stand up to combat when the bullets fly too will i survive but he mentions a third one and he described this fear as now i've been to the heart of darkness and done things that i supreme leader regret well i ever again be the person that i used to like. and he said this turned out to be the hardest question and it may go on and on answered for the rest of our lives. he shared the story says thirty five years after a life changing experience still looking for a way i think to to make sense of the experience of killing them. of all of us and

behalf of this country so. what. are you out there in the middle of combat sometimes it's kill or be queue. so people. when you get into the first bell and you actually would kill someone and start messing with it and they start having mixed feelings about being in the situation and that call to them that's just a start building up and then it's just like shake the pot which is just keep keep building to keep building. that. when i talk to my thumb about yes hey have you ever took in one life before and you

say yes i take this one life or their new escape the subject. like yeah that's a tragedy but they really don't want to hear. no one really wants to take anyone's life sometimes it can be prevented. sometimes you go look it's either me or that person.

duty honor country. instead of being exported from macarthur to sion to me that's exactly what i mean for going to protect the ideals their founded your country freedom. i was entering the persian gulf war but i wasn't a point to the war. so i kind of felt like i had and fulfill my obligation so i already enlisted in june of two thousand. and. three i was deployed to iraq. this is just different places where i was while i was over there some of the more into wait before we crossed and iraq and some of them were after we were there.

my father who fall in world war two he tried to tell me or not as glamorous as they make it out to be. but i was too stubborn and bull headed to listen. or i asked for and i really found out i saw more and i wanted the scene. to. the one of my. i don't know that i can describe. it's hard it's hard to put it in words.

although i thought. the chairs of the commissar york never got to know our space because i'd go. with them. because i get clear about how you know. this is not a secret. but. i do mind is thank you next. time i'll be going to tell. me. you're coming back in history. so that you will sweep mine down the street will come back i'm going to decide how much they really get back to. you seeing how folks this is the and that are in the area. you know every

house you look as god. you know prayers and are full of holes in it. and just in general how it affects people and how it makes them put all their humanity aside or be able to survive in a war zone. and you see the good the injured you stand it my ass cry and you smell the decomposing bodies that are there. you see the young girl the stand along the side of the road with. third degree burns and you want to help her but you can't do it because you're in the middle of a war. and you see all that stuff and you see how it affects you and you see how it affects everyone around you and you just say you know what why are we here and do wonders anymore.

we'll have a cautions we'll have you know a sense between the tell us is between right and wrong. when i throw in the military i was nineteen and i'll say ok so if we end up going to war it's going to be for good costs you know if we end up going to war is going to be to bring freedom to other lands. and we sort of care enough to put it back. it was a war that i opposed politically but not very personally. and once iraq thinking that i could push my principles aside and then hit the world or with put it behind me move on. but. nothing ever curse you for the reality of war. hope hope hope. the. road will go back to. that out of his love to push

a little bit of. love. to get a good. job when it comes to the left over with come with look at all of. the home of. nothing there prepares you for going to iraq and seen the ad struction of an entire nation nothing ever prepares you for. you know the unmeasured killing of civilians. that you never prepares you for what the dustiest a human being you know to kill an innocent person. nothing's going to really prepare you for the level of destruction that you bring upon a nation and that you bring a point yourself from being a part of it. and yet i have i have

a conscience you know which goes way beyond any law it goes way beyond any order that i could receive. but. i don't care how old you get if you're in this environment firing these weapons it's fun it's to be honest with you. to fifty caliber machine gun it's a very very very effective weapon it's got a range of eight hundred meters. it'll blow holes through walls. personalize it you don't have a chance if you're hit by a bullet from this weapon and there's it's devastating it's pretty gruesome actually. you saw it. yesterday so.

there's no civilians around there compares to what you meant your training not to kill people. i have absolutely no hesitation about it it's just what i do with what i do it's my job how do i feel afterwards it's you know hey i look at it like this the people on the other side are soldiers too and soldiers do what soldiers do and they're trying to kill us we're trying to kill them and i just ugly face a war. british

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