watching archie live from moscow let's take a look at the top stories the u.n. says the syria crisis has become a civil war with daily bloodshed resulting in more than four thousand deaths and nine month this comes as the e.u. ramps up pressure upon the country with more financial and vanity sanctions. egypt is holding his breath as it awaits the results of an opening stage of its first parliamentary elections this by the fact many doubt it will bring any real change pronouncers are demanding the military were step down and make way for civilian governments. thousands of protesters take to the streets of new york to stage

a labor union rally demanding jobs and economic justice the latest demonstration comes on the back of the author by protests that swept through the u.s. for more than two months. plus with top stories to kill or not to kill watch our special report on u.s. troops in iraq and the life changing decisions they have to take soldiers of conscience next on our team. you know. i'm one of the things that happened in iraq. when people asked me if i killed anybody. see morris not a skier climbs the train in the movies.

there was this one time. position on this rooftop. it's like a political protests that turned violent everyone is quiet and this young man emerges. he's got something in his hand. and i know that it's a grenade and. but i also know that he can't do anything to us because it's the fire and. everything that describing to you i'm looking through the rear outer of my own sixteen site so it's a rare very very very intense moment and. i

don't remember squeezing the trigger and i remember i don't remember seeing him go down all i remember is that we shot him and the next image that i had was you know two men came from the crowd and grabbed him by the shoulders and pulled him through up bottle. and then i remember that after that mission was over you know before we moved on to our next mission you know i went into a dark room by myself and i pulled up my magazine and i counted the bullets and i realized i had fired eleven bullets at him. and.

and it changes you know. it's really hard to sit down and make moral decisions when you're trying to stand i somebody shoots at you you need to take over you have your finger on the safety immediately goes to fire you know you do everything without even thinking about it . but then i came home and adored me. and removed from that dangerous situation removed from the pressure after thinking about the war. and looking for answers. and. something changed my life.

i began to object in a more profound spiritual way toward. its way made a commitment. that i was a conscious objector and i wasn't going back. it wasn't a decision that took place overnight and i was a painful process because it's healing but it's could destroy. this whole this this this is fear this is the bread this is the issue of comradery and you know your body's in war and also the fear of punishment all this guilt and being tried by court martial to stop the word the words court martial arts like so evil and so. on those horrible images you know

come to us like. being a coward in a traitor and you know doesn't your freedom and end up in a jail and then suddenly you know i say you know. i'm not going to go to war i'm not going to go back to that i'm not going to go back to obey everything that i'm told. and i'm outside and ignoring the fact is i'm going to take a stand and i'm going to say now. when one applies for conscientious objector status there is a regulation that fully guides a soldier through the process. the

soldier makes a formal application to is china's command requesting conscientious objector status . the soldier has a burden of proof the soldier hasta prove that the beliefs are genuine that their beliefs are real that the beliefs crystallized after the soldier came on active duty the soldier is interviewed by the chain of command by a chaplain by a person through mental health and they compile a complete application documenting their beliefs and why they think they should be a conscientious objector and an independent investigating officer is implemented then the entire packet has to go through the chain of command and his ultimate lead reviewed by a board of officers at headquarters department of the army and then ultimately a decision is made whether or not the soldiers a conscientious objector. staff

sergeant camillo refused to return to iraq and strongly decision that he took the risk of. those soldiers who were this soldier when a war because a soldier does not think that this is a good war and when you look at the war look at the reasons that so close to war. and you don't find any of the things that we were told that we're going to war for trying to be true when you don't find that there were weapons of mass destruction and what you don't find there was a link between saddam hussein and al qaeda and you see that you're not helping the people and you see that the people don't want you there. there's no military contract and no military duty that's going to justify being

a part of that war. and it just exploded because i was the first combat veteran to come back from iraq and go public and say this is wrong. i did not prepare a statement because what i have to say i have to say from the heart and it's a very simple mission and message and it simply is that i'm saying no to war. i want to run and i was an instrument of violence and now i have decided to become an instrument of peace. i have decided i'm not going to be a part of the war but i'm going back to the military today i have really no idea what's going to happen but whatever happens it's if they try to say that i'm a criminal and they give me many years in jail i listen know that that i made the right decision and that god has forgiven me already thank you.

for. coming back. and i like knowing that. i went back to the military. and everything that i feared happened i was called a coward i was called a traitor house accused assertion i was try i was convicted i was sentenced i was put in jail. and then to tell you after never felt freer in my life you know there's a higher assertion of your freedom. to call your conscience. or

are. when it comes to conscientious objectors one thing that occurs to me right up front is their freedom to dissent is made possible by the soldiers that they criticize that in a perfect world it would be great if we could all be peaceful and not harm each other but we don't live in a perfect world. and i wonder about the conscientious objector. what would he do if that was his or her responsibility. to defend others. it's one thing to say that i will sit and take the punishment. and if someone wants to do that based on their religious beliefs or their convictions then i respect that absolutely. but i have trouble

respecting them saying i will allow someone else to get hurt when i can stop it. people tell me you know what would have happened if hitler was not stopped. what would happen if there would have been enough cause in some tech to stand the nazi army and would have been the war that would have been no hitler there would have been no holocaust. if you believe that there never can be enough people who are conscience of vectors to stop a monster like hitler then it's never going to happen first you have to dream it and then you have to live your dream and make it happen for you to tell me that you know how is it possible that there are going to be that many conscience detectors you know and that just tells me that you know that just gives you more energy to

say it is possible you we we can have that many conscience and that's we have to believe that if we don't believe that infant will have that dream and if we don't live up to the dream and how are we how are we going to survive as a human race if we continue to embrace war as a solution in some cases and we continue to think that there can never be enough actions or characters to stop an army. i was at abu ghraib for about six months total of interrogation time.

when i wasn't at the interrogation center when i was on my free time i spent a lot of time in the chapel praying. most interrogating schoolboys young fathers emotions average people taken off the streets and put into my interrogation booth. finally five months into my time at abu ghraib had an interrogation with a man who was a self-proclaimed jihadist. he told me that he had a certain peace because of his faith in islam that if it was the will of god for him to stay in prison. and if he never was released it would be ok with that and he challenge me wondering if i had the same kind of peace in my life. wondering if i had the same kind of spiritual center is to take that kind of fate

he then through talking about jesus that i wasn't fulfilling the call to turn the other cheek to love one's enemies. it took a little bit offense to this comments because it came from the mouth of a self-proclaimed geodes to told me that he would kill me if he had a chance. at something it definitely occurred within. when posed with that kind of challenge i had nothing i could say to him i absolutely agree with him. my position as a u.s. army interrogator contradicted my calling somebody the christian and it hindered my ability to do things like love my enemies. i stopped interrogation. but lost all perspective as

a soldier. i wanted to ask him about his willingness to kill me and i wanted to ask him about the peace that he found in his religion and if there could possibly be a way to get outside of the cycle of vengeance that the that he and i could share. in the regulation governing conscience objection as an element of the call crystallization of conscience and every c.e.o. applicant has to state what that was for them and interrogation with that in august was my crystallization of conscience and it wasn't bad a bunch of new beliefs suddenly emerged out of nowhere i realized for me to follow christ. involves taking seriously the charge for peacemaking.

and beginning of february two thousand five. formally submitted my application to be considered conscientious objector. my application was proved by the thirtieth of may i was out of the army. i lived as a soldier for ten years. some of the things that happened in iraq you know things that my father told me started coming back and i like it so i do it . and i started thinking about. change of mind how hard how do you want to put it but i had to be over there for almost seven months and then being back here for

a year and i had you know really doing a lot of it down reflection. i guess the term soul searching. i thought about it was not live below and over and over and over again thinking about it. i spent a lot of time learning. about you waiting my mild person and you know myself and how i wanted myself. i guess you can go back to a letter that i've written to monica when we were in the area of iraq that was supposed to be you were guarding the. cradle of civilization where many times again . i had to ask myself. why am i carrying around in

sixteen adored. army. and nothing honorable and killing i went to the war zone and i started seeing how i need to change and the only way to do there is the not a rival and kill another person that's why we're primed for confidence and better.

sergeant bindra men was to essentially be on an airplane and fly to iraq with his unit but these offenses go to the essence of what it is to serve in the military you cannot have discipline if you have people that are disobeying orders. and sark haven't been has been charged and i level court martial that is the most serious time the maximum penalty that he faces right now is five years confinement and a dishonorable discharge. with regards to united states versus interment at this time the charges before the court are desertion and missing movement. start then the

c.e.o. application was denied. it was clearly a hostile hostile environment where he's one of those conference objector applicants minority that they are and. you know will send a message that you don't do this. the wrong. humanity of basically figured out that human sacrifice was wrong so i stopped doing that and when you basically figured out that slavery was wrong it was bad doing bad so why don't we use the same criteria for war and just get away from it all the way

how to get out of. here you have a ten year army veteran who counts five from iraq with an enhanced sense of humanity. he's dangerous for the military then one forty year old soldier to say hey speak for our brothers and sisters.

sergeant benderman was found guilty of one charge of missing movement by design he will be reduced to the grade of anyone confined for fifteen months and dishonorably discharged after. there's anything that i can get across the other soldiers for that i'm not against them. but i am against.

no soldier should leave their conscience behind in a war it's not that morality doesn't apply in war morality is most important because if the soldier can do so much good or so much bad. by no means will my conscience objection eliminate the need for militaries tomorrow but the goal is to create a society that moves ever toward that. peace is not

a utopian vision. it can happen but it takes people willing to commit both their faith and their practical efforts to achieving it and you're not going to achieve that by constantly falling back on yesterday's wrong solution you have to have the guts to try something new. and. people who are applying for conscience objection and refusing military service are saying i have a different picture of to morrow's humanity and i want to be involved in creating that. no one really wants to go to war but you know sometimes some things can be the water. wars all about. like all different cultures a fight for power as well as that one person try to take the power from some other person a force it is of always reward. well

maybe we are not. maybe it starts out being leaving them. as more people become conscious objectors as more people and praise the concept of pacifism then it's not no longer naive like you may have been naive to say that we can reach the moon. being naive you know people might have looked at you that you were crazy or a dreamer. starts off being naive then you're a dreamer then maybe it's possible and then one day. you know. you're propriety for speed.

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