hello i'm john are going to washington d.c. it's friday so that means it's time for the big picture romel. joining me on the panel as we go column a senior on light out of the daily caller erica kennedy a democratic strategist here in washington d.c. and brian darling columnist of human events and director of government studies at the heritage foundation let's get started ok there are have been two raids this

week by l.a. occupy philly and you know the old saying firstly first they ignore you then they ridicule you then they fight you then you win it's starting to look to me like they're winning l.a. city council has announced in response that they're going to have a vote on whether or not to strip corporate personhood you know to support a constitutional amendment to end this which is one of the consistent demands of occupy wall street groups all around the country similar resolutions of past in boulder in missoula so damn my radio show i had jack abrams off on here's what he had to say about it. would you support a constitutional amendment that says that corporations are people and money isn't speech well i think it's got to say a lot more than that to be honest with you there's a lot more but there's a lot more problems here but if you didn't back then you could get out and you could start then you could pass the laws that you're talking about right now the thing that is impeding those laws is the is the fact that corporations are considered persons and money is considered speech you do blow those things up and then you can start passing. stopping the revolving door stopping the buying off of

members of congress and i agree and so meanwhile millionaires are marching on capitol hill demanding that their taxes be raised the narrative in the media has shifted from oh my god we've got a debt too what about inequality and where the jobs conservatism ploy frank luntz who said he's frightened to death by occupy wall street so isn't it pretty clear that there would then said that was what actually i was so what you have isn't actually especially i can tell you one way that corporations are like people people don't get all the loopholes that corporations do i mean corporations are certainly have a very close proximity to the federal government and these occupy protesters are interestingly out protesting the corporations which are composed of smart people who actually see advantages that they can take with the government they take them but really these protesters really should be in front of the white house saying look we can't have a government that creates this kind of system and even the republicans now are asking that some of these are going to be part of the concern of those people is

the supreme court i mean and then that goes back to you know people that were point five about this problem i mean i would this is what i would say is that i think about occupy wall street and i wish little bit more organized at the same time what it does do is it illustrates the fact that there is mass discontentment and that it isn't necessarily just lost or it isn't necessarily just income equality isn't necessarily just one thing or the other but that there's a whole slew of things in which we've divided up this country left behind in the mass and left behind the majority and that they they're at this point with you know high unemployment there's a lot of people who want anything else to do because they don't have a job and so they can sit out there and they can continue to kind of be the beat the drum and actually show up and kind of illustrate this is what it looks like it's not it looks like it was revolt brian it turns out that among occupy wall street people you have a higher level of college education and you have the workforce as a whole. you have a higher level of arrest rates to. what about five thousand arrests for this urban

canada how many banks have been arrested here it's really not i think they're exercising their constitutional right to say let's let's hear your conservation right to engage in urban camping in a set up a campground the one of the city because that's not what the parks for just to sit there and set up a campground and protest against we don't even know what's now what are they protesting against a very happy in the city what are you going to tell you some of them were never people to march a different ways because of this. movement these people are protesting and they're engaging in fights with the police or they're engaging in violence they have been rapes on these occupy wall street movement by the way we. make them to like the fox let me make a machete at college football because sandusky was a pedophile you can't say that occupy wall street is so because there's one thing i mean if you have five thousand arrests it's not an isolated in this manner that these people are everything conflating the rest on purpose or camping out and people who are bringing attention to what is what they should you know why is this

so scary so often since then why is it why why why aren't conservatives of seen on the fact that the occupy wall street people are getting arrested for things like trespass and you've got banks that we just discovered took seven and a half seven point seven trillion dollars according to bloomberg even the white house didn't know about it seven point seven trillion dollars made a thirteen billion dollars profit but most of it their own pockets over a thousand people are going to be a million dollars in bonuses why the hell aren't those thousand people and conservatives are the some of the loudest voices when it comes to the bailouts i mean this was the push of the nose knows what this is that you're absolutely right i mean this is that as not something matter of fact that you're absolutely right i mean that's the point you have conservatives who have come out and roundly denounced bush's involvement they've come out and said this is ultimately here with the occupy wall street p. that the bailout no i mean let me let me comment on something that was said a moment ago that my fellow panelists here mention that this is somehow a majority movement it's a movement that's taken the mantle of the majority all movements do this they say look i'm speaking for everybody here we all think this. you little show me lately

is not the ninety nine percent ninety nine percent of three of you not identifying with me taxing millionaires more so that actually is a lot of the issues that are the majority nobody is saying all the job creators need to be left alone so they can go on creating jobs and government jobs i haven't seen if there's anything anything about them to do that you only got around jobs aren't as good as privates and only jobs they have in common with the majority is some of the length and the frustration with where the economy is well beyond that yes but beyond that but beyond that the occupy protest that's all they offer is instant frustration there's no substance has had so much time to develop and education here in the us and what i already know that laws angeles city council is going to vote on a decision whether or not to end corporate personhood missoula and boulder have both on the same we're actually seeing legislation i think that the majority of people have been feeling like you sat and it hasn't been focalize and so up until the occupy wall street there was a way to kind of not see it every day where a legislator and various leaders and media could just it was at home it was in

people's living rooms but they didn't have to confront it and what occupy wall street has done is saying you have to confront and interest the nx that the majority of people are failing what do you think the tea party movement is about if you're a prescribing these elements of just anger and frustration i can argue well let's have it let's let's take it to something specific in animas effort last night senate republicans voted down extending tax cuts to middle class people why this will get to that the actually the consequence of this would be raising taxes on eleven million working people by about a thousand bucks a year as you all know and grover norquist as i'm sure you all know said that if you let the books bush temporary tax cuts expire that's a tax increase because that will increase taxes on millionaires and billionaires but if you let the payroll tax increase expire grover norquist gave them that i should have been saved i don't know many dominator that's not right because he said that it was actually you know what we don't know do taxes and he said. it would be a violation to. use this is an excuse to increase taxes put

a permanent surtax on millionaires for a one year extension of the social security system is a part of why you and i don't we all know there's a lot of that is your objection is over in our kitchens or the your game zeroes are heating up the congress. the republican version that was paid for by freezing the pay of government officials and yeah let's fire i want you people so that we can get people and then you have your middle class people so you know i mean people that i've worked in that i work for the government and i've worked in the private sector and both times my landlord got a right check and my landlord did not care where the money was coming from this idea that we have to cut this pay for government workers we can have bonuses for you know wall street billionaires and that we can continue to allow the wealthiest one percent to pay a lower tax percentage than everybody else when you're nowhere going to there is a contradiction to me to think that we have really nine dollars and we're not going to have you know it doesn't go down it went by when the money is being borrowed

money going to the private sector and when demand as you will have more people in jobs you know more people manufacturing more people in stores will have more small businesses and then the other thing about the payroll tax cut is it helps small businesses small businesses do benefit some of this water which is one of those interesting things i mean obviously the idea of a holiday conservatives argue that they want consistency in their tax code they don't want these types of things and now let me let me go back to this element on grover for i mean i don't identify because i haven't heard anybody address by but i sure over norquist to the washington post editorial board in july you may recall that there was this controversy surrounding the fact that he said to them that allowing the bush tax cut to expire wouldn't actually be a tax increase technically you made i remember that but that actually goes in line with. what this is causing me to wonder is who wants a damn about grover norquist so take that i mean who like this guy you know what he says himself that he's not emperor of the world he's not a leader is a lobbyist but he's actually and what is he done he's forced members of congress to sign a pledge to the. people to the voter saying they were going to ask what's wrong with

it i made highlights their pledge to their constitution and he made an eloquent argument last week on meet the press he made an appearance and he talked about this tax and made a very simple you know the government shouldn't simply dip their bucket into the water and to the overall cash in the united states bring it over to the other side of the lake and just dump it back in the bush tax code and say that they've somehow created wealth they. created five trillion dollars of the budget deficit. when you take the right direction to do as well i think the government is trying to balance its books and we have to when the bush tax cuts went in we saw the deficit and prays and we have had two wars that we have not paid for and i think with and terms about saying about somebody you know you have to raise revenue you have to. work trillion dollars in deficit spending since barack obama was sworn in. that's not the issue here what i'm finding amazing is that you grow and you nick so that you found the fence built some sense. whatever i mean are seem to be supporting

the idea that there should be no tax increases on millionaires in order to maintain a tax cut for average working people and i'm guessing that you're in favor of the tax cut i'm in favor of the tax cut and the increase in the tax the three percent in there and i'm against that i'm against increasing tax i'm against increasing taxes on one portion of americans to cut taxes on another portion of america where i whine about is because it's not fair but why don't we cut taxes and everybody i think conservatives believe in that you want to cut the payroll tax make it profitable who earn over a million dollars on average pay seventeen percent total income tax well they do over able to you know the over and over as you know you're making i mean you well know that conservatives support comprehensive tax reform that doesn't raise the tax burden on the american people let's close all the loopholes but let's not there was not going to get out of this not that i mean do you there's not enough corporate jets out there and like suddenly balance the budget that he has to be able to do that's what we discern is. that people who are job creators are these other is that

they're different than middle class americans or that we're more classified people already and that the problem is that we're not focusing on you know what's better for the whole country when the whole does better you know the individuals that you have that's a great point and you know and if you were to look at if you look at that i don't know when we got to the point that it's not politically sensitive to say this but when do we get to the point where we just like can continue to accept that less and less people are going to pay into the tax code to support everybody in the united states because that's what we're doing i mean the the conversation is about condensing the tax code to a concentrated class of people that's why taxes on the rich is easy because it pays well and a capitalist fifteen percent for people who earn their living as capital supposed to would but people like it is all in one that i think is all that we have that we have that we have to quick break i think we'll be we'll be right back with more with the rubble after. what drives the world the fear mongering used by politicians who makes decisions to

break through that sort of people have made who can you trust no one who is you know view with the global machinery see where we had a state controlled capitalism it's called sessions when nobody dares to ask what we do our tea question morning.

what a bag of a big picture of alarm panel vince colonnades senior online editor of the daily caller a democratic strategist here in washington d.c. and brian darling columnist of human events and director of government studies at the heritage foundation let's get back to it in a ninety three to seven vote yesterday the senate passed a six hundred sixty two billion dollars that's like two billion dollars a day war funding bill meanwhile thanks to republicans insisting on austerity the low income home energy assistance program. democrats come up with the most awful acronyms you know the republicans it's like the clear skies initiative this is why any up so it's budget nearly cut in half just in time for winter and meanwhile the horror of energy is saying the price of oil is expected to spike by ten percent so why is it that we have no problem finding enough to find enough money to fight and lose wars but we can't afford making sure that poor americans elderly americans don't freeze to death this week what are we missing as this is i think two point

one it's an annual defense bill i mean it's what has to come up with something that they have to actually address three times what the defense bill when they became better something that they have to address a national security actually is sort of like a constitutional responsibility we can argue over the scale defense fund so is the joint welfare but your general welfare yes but if you're a liberal and i find it interesting when you argue on the issue of for instance energy and big oil yet you still are you for subsidies to pay for oil you know for anybody i mean the idea is like this for the consumers this is this is like pay a yearly now to mortgage whalers rather than the banks you're building i mean the point is that oil companies then have the luxury of government available to them in order to charge whatever rates they were no this is this is sort of the you know an elderly person who's who's making the choice between you have is there are bad but that doesn't have to make that you that's the goal but what is what what what what are you what are we missing here no now i think that anybody that i think that there is a now say i am a moral imperative to make sure that. people account for he said that in their

homes anybody that gets up in and waves their religion around or talks about you know morally i don't believe in this or morally i believe in that said look at the low income heating assistance bill and not say that you have a moral obligation to make sure that we're funding that's not how much is enough for me every year they increase it it's you know it's because the price of oil isn't all that it's used to give subsidies for air conditioning i mean it's not something it's all very much for giving a system if you want to look at who to blame how about the democrats are the democrats controlling the senate do you think president obama's going to veto this bill i don't think so i don't think it is acceptable in the price of oil they control the senate they control the agenda they wrote the bill called eleven how eleven is the is e chairman going to give that you're going to get you're going to get an increase in the heating assistance program for low income people through the house of representatives with paul ryan and john always early in the republicans even though democrats control this all fall if only really there's no one has to originate on how is this has nothing to do why does the president veto it if it's so bad if he's got a problem with that we have in our present to be telecast has to get it yes are you

so do you think the president if there is a couple he will say he'll say nothing is better than a little bit and so what you're suggesting comes up if it comes up in a supplemental bill probably add money and right at the end of the year when they do want to play mimics and all these budget busting programs that they're going to do right at the end of the year and and you are so you're predicting this is an average of a thousand or fifteen hundred dollars a person for a relatively small number of people in most of the northern states particularly northeast you're predicting that that money is going to come through it always does you get republican senators like a limp you snowe and susan collins that are always pushing it at the end of the year and nobody ever looks at the bottom line it's got about a reasonable yeah you know maybe you will if brian i hope you are right and we will come back here after the first of the year and what will go over like i said you know say that on this issue on this vote erica mentioned the idea that simply because money isn't there that somehow heartless to not take care of people there is money i know that and if if governor. it's the only place where we can decide

whether or not something is hard for our let's that's a pretty steady since i stand here but everyone i have saying that you know what i'm saying is that for everybody that stands up and sad you know i don't believe and you know gay marriage because it's morally wrong or i don't believe that when you throw out the cast of morality or your religion and then you turn your back on the poorest of the poor and the people that are literally going are they're not asking for like you know ninety degrees and just throwing all at me that i just i think we've got it out. thank you herman cain can we go back to the. newt gingrich is getting radical the same poor kids should be cleaning the bathrooms of their schools mitt romney starting to slip might have something to do with this check out the obvious differences between these two candidates these are two interviews forty eight hours of box t.v. . why do you think that you are more electable the new hampshire union leader

endorsed speaker gingrich over the weekend saying he was he has courage conviction and isn't just telling them what they want to hear now the editor there joe mcquaid confirm that that last line was really about you it's reagan's line was are you better off than you were four years ago if you get the nomination what would your line be about obama and you really stand for more years of this. so basically the fox primary is they're going to kick romney's butt and they're kissing in the new gingrich they're giving him fluff ball interviews from you know the famously picks politicians in the u.k. who actually become prime ministers he's picking republicans in the united states really is this i thought rick santorum was a paid contributor or huckabee was sarah palin they didn't seem to push them to the front of the republican to this time they did huckabee last time around but who gave the republican party or when did the republican party give the murdoch empire

the power to pick through their nominees who certainly said look i don't go and i don't recall that happening but. you don't know but i mean if you don't you don't go to fox news the whole fox propaganda you get i mean so mitt romney has a difficult interview on fox with bret baier and then. it goes on gets a flow of all i'm having to get softballs run out of and i agree but you know that newt gingrich is going to have a tough interviews when he goes on the future he's had some very difficult interviews on fox in the past it's not as if they want him to win i mean they're not playing favorites but that you know anything that candidates m.-o. i mean that guy brings on these guys in these talks and like it can very can friendly conservative way to all of these candidates when it comes to like the way the fox is treated the debates no other news outlet has actually received as much praise for the criticism with which they've approached these candidates let me just read where i mean ospel theory here than what something i've noticed over the years is it seems like and i see this on both sides and right across the board in the media that when somebody is down they try to bring them up when somebody is up they

try to bring them down because if they me if the media can maintain a horse race then there's more tension there's more excitement and more people watch and more people will see ads and the media and the networks will make more money but that's right and that's what i don't think that's a symptom of fox i think that's right across and i do think i think the media preferred is a great i think i think the fact that there are still covering herman cain at this point is a great example of the fact that the mia love the horse race always never run it with i mean this is just spent. nicholas for so long but any media i you know i hear media talk media person reports talk about like oh gosh can you believe he's still going out there why are you still covering him why and i think that that's you know that there are a lot to blame for that i think the interesting thing that what we've seen happen with newt gingrich which is hasn't happened for any of the other kind of up and down candidate in feet first perry we didn't see him again and that his numbers are going up and romney's are actually going down for the first time you didn't see romney's numbers take a hit when herman cain and rick perry it went up so i think that you know there's something else

a more dynamic here that's at play where maybe i don't know maybe like newt gingrich knows where respect stand is very. very artificial you actually knows who the moderates dogs are a lot of blindness to live they have no weapons rock obama can't win the election i don't think i think republicans can only lose it and the mainstream media is doing everything they can to beat up all of these different republican candidates are knocking them down they're blogging them so when they go into the general election they may have a tough time winning because there's going to be a lot of negative comment to make the other argument that when we go into the general election all this stuff is already out and it will be considered old news and so when you can get covered and then it's all going to be about marco rubio because all this is about who gets to be his running but i think they're also taking it i think they're making that if they don't we have to go to the court it was quick but a question. last question for. turns out the republican debate at the end of the month in iowa will be hosted by none of the donald himself in what will likely be the most watched and biggest train wreck of a debate so far everyone is wondering just what kind of questions donald trump is

going to ask the candidates all the candidates except jon huntsman who dropped out of the debate already saying he doesn't want to be part of the presidential process but for the rest of the field what question should they expect from trump will be a deal as mitt romney what he uses in his hair be he'll as newt gingrich who is divorced divorce lawyer is is let's see trump is on number three four five i don't know and you know as herman see us coming can advance to start of the next season. the bachelor. i tend to believe that he probably want to ask any of those questions because none of them involve his product line i mean that he'll have to probably have something that has to do with like one of his tie it's right like what do you want for i've never been a macy's lately but it would be on t.v. anyway if i wanted them and if you were hard to get more viewers when you're at the trump casino what would you say your favorite thing about it would be either i mean i agree i don't i don't think i don't think don thompson anything that hasn't been some sort of a promo for his products so i'm looking for like you know trump kind of backdrop i

mean it unless there's a way a product come out i don't know the time he'll ask him when can i get you on the celebrity apprentice and when you get on what is your favorite charity so we can know what to give money to if you actually win you know i'm curious if you could fire anybody at the end that i had or if he asked everybody for their birth certificate and rick perry can't produce one i'm very proud of you very proud of myself i got the birth certificate. brian thank you all for being with us that much appreciate it. how do we know pepper spray is awful because no one's lining up volunteer him to be pepper sprayed back a few years ago when we were debating whether or not water waterboarding was torture people were volunteering to be waterboarding all over the place but would you consider waterboarding which you get the truth out of you know we could

waterboard you or you. i'll do it for charity down here later this year ok i was laying down on the table is about a seven foot table it's theater now in a box is peter elevated his feet are bigger what are you doing i am tying his feet up to speed or being tied up. says another. i took a. few yeah yeah and when you try to take it you refuse to sell things goes in your mouth and then you know what. conclusion it's torture same thing happened after police start employing tasered remember that there was a big debate over whether or not that was excessive force on the part of the police so a bunch of reporters lined up to get tasered. are you ready. for was

. just. an idea of how regular people might react. how to crime reporter for the chronicle in centralia. i'm about to get to yes i'm told that it hurts like oh. now the new weapon of choice for police is we're seen so often used against peaceful occupy wall street protesters is pepper spray. was.

and g.o.p. t.v. also known as fox news has been quick to defend pepper spray as. being all that bad . and all that pepper spray and they were just sitting there pretty cool like they must not make it that way going to be able to dilute it a great man goes kids really rolling around in the grass crying running i mean are you kidding me but the image is obviously disturbing i thought he had you know one of those attack conservatives you got to have one of those big canisters on your head. do they cross a line i don't think so i say one hundred percent effort spray you do. it and some parenting classes as well first of all pepper spray that just burn drives right right i mean it's like a derivative of actual pepper it's a food product essentially but a lot of experts are looking at that and saying is that the real deal has it been diluted yeah it's just a food product no problem while fox seems to be content defending the use of pepper spray no one there is lining up to be pepper sprayed like hannity was lining up to

be waterboarding. maybe that's because pepper spray really is that bad i had the inventor of pepper spray on my show this week and i asked him. if pepper spray is a food product and i put it on my burrito. didn't exactly find it funny but i use weapons grade pepper spray to spice up a burrito pepper spray is so fortified and is formulated to a point of gases and propellant and the chemical that's of us going to such a nutrition that's cooler than evolved that unity jenny to there is impossible to eat that is not food anymore thousands of times i'm stronger than any kind of bird you ever put in your mouth well and i've had i love hot pepper things it is the zoning to immediately produce inflammation of mucus membranes that means your eyes show that you have difficulty in breathing what are the long term effects of these individuals i mean you know each one of us respond to chemicals and these are

differently we don't know what's going to happen to these eyes of these are as rigorous as them and we just entered the unknown world that's what i was shocked and this was the guy who invented perspiring the point of this pepper spray is a chemical weapon it is more painful than getting tasered and has far more long lasting effects than waterboarding at least physically which might be why g.o.p. t.v. talking heads are willing to praise its use from a far but not willing to put their face in front of want to listen to pike's pepper spray canisters and until they do so hannity or meghan kelly are all rally walk the walk and taking a face full of pepper spray and they should hold off on making comments about how it's a legitimate use of force against peaceful protesters and the occupy wall street. coming up on the big picture of this week's conversations with great minds with author journalist and medical ethicist dr harriet washington.