is away from the tea party tax increase speaker of the house in name only john boehner still terrified by eric cantor the tea party and is still blocking a vote on the senate's two month payroll tax cut extension which by the way was agreed upon last weekend by ninety percent of the senate democrats and republicans president obama has called john boehner this morning on the phone urging him to pass the senate's compromise bill being a once again refused and now prominent republicans are conceding that this fight is lost and that the republicans have been outplayed and that their and that their knowledge is doing damage to their own party. it is harming the republican party it is harming the view if it's possible anymore of the american people about congress and we've got to get this thing resolved and with the realization that the payroll tax cut must remain in effect you have the country who may or may not be paying attention to every dodge of this this fight thinking that house republicans

are blocking the president who wants to pass a tax cut the republicans are a bit internally played obama set up a trap it's a game he knows this is going to have any effect on the economy it's a way to trap their vote they're going to use succeeded even though boehner has sent home most of the party back home for christmas vacation without doing the people's work democrats in the house stuck around and this morning attempted to force a vote on the senate's payroll tax cut extension watch as house minority whip stanny oyur calls for that vote and then is ignored by the acting speaker of the house and even has the c.-span microphones and cameras unplugged. pursuant to section three b. of house resolution four ninety three the house stands adjourned until ten am on friday speaker and speaker eleven mr speight cure the senate bill bush and like to i ask for unanimous consent that we bring up the bill to extend the tax cuts for one

hundred sixty million americans as you walk off the floor mr speaker you're walking out you're walking away just as so many republicans have walked away from middle class taxpayers the unemployed and very frankly as well from those who will be seeking medical assistance from their doctors forty eight million senior citizens we regret mr speaker that you have walked off the platform without addressing the issue of critical importance to this country and that is the continuation of the middle class tax cut the continuation of unemployment benefits for those at risk of losing them and the continuation of the access to doctors for all those forty eight million seniors who rely on them daily for their health and i am pleased to yield to my friend mr van hollen.

and you know the silence of that's one speaker cut the mike in fact following the incidents c.-span tweeted saying c.-span has no control over the u.s. house t.v. cameras the speaker of the house to now the words boehner pulled the plug on what was happening in the people's house to save his party from embarrassment so over the next ten days the only hope for republicans is for them to win the ensuing media battle and here is how they're planning to try to do it a week ago the house passed a bunch of right wing stuff with a year long extension tagged onto it was in this whole grab bag right wing goodies and a year long extension of the payroll tax cut and the unemployment checks. but you know there was nothing real to him that was so much crazy stuff bear call on the senate to consider this bill that he had passed rather then the house considering the senate bill his memon this is what the this is what they're promoting this is now kind of the official republican talking point or they're going to try it anyway

democrats passed a two month extension over in the senate republicans passed a year long extension here in the house which rather have a year long extension here's a boner. the president and leaders of both houses of congress of called for a year long extension of the payroll tax credit of the house has passed a bill that would do just that now we also understand the senate passed a different bill. and we oppose that bill because of the two month extension it will create more uncertainty for job creators in our country when millions of americans are out of work a two month extension is nothing more than kicking the can down the road and the president has asked us to do this for a full year we did it for a full year we often you see this is the message that the republicans are banking on we're doing a year and house they're only doing two months over there in the senate or republicans don't want you to know is what's in that so-called one year extension

because it's not really just a one year extension it's massive grab bag or right wing goodies poison pills for the democrats it cuts unemployment benefits that anybody can get from ninety nine weeks which took just an enormous amount of time couple of years to get the first place down to fifty nine weeks ninety nine weeks down to fifty nine weeks maximum if forces construction of the keystone x.l. pipeline not just a president mr president make a decision not force as it lets states drug test in fact it mandates the states drug test the unemployed you're unemployed you're a suspect in the cup it forces the unemployed to take ged classes to receive benefits course private for profit schools one of the fastest growing industries in the country neil bush makes some money on this thing it strips the e.p.a. regulations on incinerators and boilers according the p.a. this is going to cost twenty thousand premature deaths it cuts eight billion dollars from preventative health care if freezes the pay of federal workers and forces federal workers to contribute more to their pensions it adds one hundred

sixty six billion dollars to the deficit for next year this bill is so embarrassing senator mitch mcconnell in the sun block to vote because he didn't want his own reply is all. republicans in the senate to be on record as voted against this so this is where we stand and democrats need to hold strong in the past democrats have caved not because they've been wrong on principle they've been right every time every single time but instead because they've lost the messaging war so can they win the messaging war this time around joining me now to offer her take on this fight on capitol hill and the possibility of a tea party tax increase i'm joined by karen by progressive strategist karen finney karen welcome good to be with you here to have you with us. if you could this be a tipping point for the republicans it sure could be i mean in our favor meaning at the tipping point that actually shows americans what we've been trying to tell them all along which is they care so much about defeating president obama and frankly remember that the tea party republicans when they were elected their whole idea was

we're going to go to washington and just blow this thing up if we have to and you know what they're willing to do that and that's what they're showing so hopefully this is a chance for americans to see this is what we've been talking about all along this is their true agenda and here's what we're fighting for and but i agree with what you were saying democrats the absolute key is that democrats have to stand strong i was astounded this morning i. n.p.r. you know was on wake me up and we don't have a good progressive station just because what are you going to do and you know the report was on this thing on this bill and basically what they said was it's a two year thing in the senate it's a one year it's a two month thing in the senate it's a one year thing in the house and they never it was a foreman and twenty nine second report i went back and listened to it online to make sure never once mentioned that list of toxic poison pills. that you know when n.p.r. is repeating john boehner is talking points that concerns me sure are the democrats going to get out ahead of this well absolutely they need to end but also let's take

a step even back from that they didn't want payroll tax extension in the first place right that's where we started with these guys then because of the political pressure the democrats were able to apply they say ok of course forward. for raising taxes on the middle class just because we want to protect you know income for the wealthy and then we got to this point so we sort of gotten to this point and then the only way they agreed to it was with all these poison pills and don't forget whose client is keystone although the grover norquist so no seriously not surprising that you know all the sudden that becomes the most important thing that i mean i didn't remember that mitch mcconnell was high five ing right after they got this vote done on the senate side because he delivered for grover norquist apparently but again it shows the house the house is even more rigorous and it requires that he's done that that's absolutely right and so i think you're right that we have to keep those points and but again i think you know this reminds me i was working in the clinton ministration in one thousand nine hundred five when we

got to this point with with newt gingrich who was then speaker and part of the way the president clinton one was number one we were clear on the facts and about what was at stake and the president made it very clear he was firm he was not moving as were democrats in congress there cannot be any daylight between democrats in congress and our president on this issue because what's about to happen what they're trying to do is really hold hostage one hundred and sixty million people for drug testing as you pointed out for keystone being mandatory as you pointed out i mean that is their own kind of right wing social agenda right social engineering to use newt gingrich's term but they're doing it at the expense of politics but as you pointed out paul ryan's plan to destroy ten medicare as we know it setting aside political act. you know. that you know paul ryan's paul ryan's plan is right wing social engineering and and it was going to be the thing i think there was a broad consensus among all you know i mean your democratic strategist you know

there's a broad consensus among people in your business and democratic politicians this eleven months you know this was going to be the thing they were just absolutely beat the crap out of the republicans with and then ron wyden comes along goes all pick. arms are all goes yeah we're all i go to war. i mean how you know and like you said there has to be no daylight and how long it's going to be before you know some useful idiot on the democratic side steps into this they better not and you know what democrats have to take care of ron wyden and make it very clear that what he's done is completely unacceptable you did see the white house come out you did see a number of other democrats come out and say wait a second what are you doing and on this paper the other thing tom about this issue is it's actually pretty simple yes there are the poison pills but essentially what we're talking about on the house side all we're saying is just thought on the idea on the very simple idea two months sure it's kicking the can down the road unfortunately in this congress this is the best we can do so let's get that done and then come back to this because i mean the point here is bear won't even let

them vote he refused to let them vote on it because he knew he would lose well mainly that. it's not necessarily a vote that they want to have to defend in the election that vote but ironically ironically they were afraid that if they voted for it then what they would end up having to the fan and for two months was the president giving them up or around the payroll tax extension well guess what now you really stepped into it i mean when the wall street journal's editorial page is telling you you shit the bed you are really in trouble so i think it seems to me that the you know john boehner zx future is in trouble he's got eric cantor behind him with a shiv in his back and it's not the first time we've seen that dynamic right where you think boehner is negotiating with mcconnell because he's got the deal settled on his side mcconnell goes out cuts a deal comes back and we can see it so my guess of how this is going to play out is if the democrats hold firm and if the president holds firm and and harry reid

doesn't show up they're going to get to the first of the year the republicans are going to have to cave in there and then it'll reboot and within the next i guess it's like about two three weeks into january everything comes back in session and bill passed. right and everybody will take credit and everybody else up each other in the back and by january by november it'll be forgotten you think i don't know that i hope it isn't totally forgotten because i do think the other opportunity that's here for democrats and we we've seen this movie before so hopefully we'll kind of keep the edge on this is again this is the larger agenda of the republicans this is not about a principled stand on you know people need to be drug tested when they're on employment insurance right this is about defeating president obama at any cost and i think if we stay on that and remind people what they're going through right now here's the other thing to remember tom i mean i remember when my mom was on unemployment after proposition thirteen in california we counted every penny so it's christmas time so right now if you're on unemployment you're thinking wow i

don't know if i can go out and get those christmas gifts i thought i could get because i mean i have an employment insurance or you think me forty bucks is a lot of money for a lot of people think about how many hours you have to work to make that money right think about how much gas that is for your car so if you're a working person this is not insignificant and i think if we remind people that the republicans are the ones who are making them feel this pain right now at a time that's supposed to be about family and loving and giving i think will be ok i think you're right karen good to see it good to see you thanks so much for offering your thoughts sharing your insight wisdom and experience with us should be interesting to end stage and. coming up i'll be joined by two expert commentators for a lot of the headlines that are creating buzz around terms what. drives the world the fear mongering used by politicians who makes decisions to break through it's already been made who can you trust no one who is you know in view

with a global missionary see where we had a state controlled capitalism is called sasha's when nobody dares to ask we do our t. question more. chris is a christmas is only a few days away and hanukkah celebrations are in full swing but there's no lack of controversy in the headlines this week joining me now to offer some analysis on

some of the most intriguing news stories of the week so far our vids colonies senior online editor of the daily caller and karl frisch syndicated columnist and founding partner of both write strategies progressive firm conservative perspective this should be interesting should rejoice that indeed christmas is only a few days away i just read that. good idea to get to the page where it actually we're just as we're at it on it well ok and your ideas are not very good actually you know i want to get i want to get your thoughts on this i don't know if you saw this the the segment i did with karen before where we were. krauthammer he was on fox and he was like you know the republicans are just like totally yeah you know fill fill in your metaphor here. is he right is he right that while republicans lost the optics battle here there's no question that was his phrase i i i do believe that and you know and karen appropriately noted in the wall

street journal comes out and says hey you've lost this thing i think that i think you'll find that most people are like ok fine and there is the white flag of surrender on the optics of the same republicans i think needlessly spike the football on something that they clearly were able to when you mentioned that they had all sorts of victories in terms of the things that they were able to get and then in this two month extension they were able to get some concessions they should take it very clearly i mean this is something that was kind of a done deal with the sort of support and of course the border got asked but it's not there yet but this whole you know now they're now they're trying and carly i love your thoughts on this. or either of you i mean both you know john boehner is saying hey we offered a year to these guys only want to do it to months what the president only wants to do it to once the senate only wants to do i offered you guys here what's wrong yeah the. it's basically like. it's basically like giving somebody a car that you know is going to run well for two months and then it's going to need

more gas or giving somebody a car that you know is going to explode at the end of a year. and this is precisely what it is to expect that republicans were going to deal straight with the american people on this issue would be to expect the something is never going to happen carol is right to say that republicans have been against us from the beginning and the only reason you've seen people like fox news and in the wall street journal coming down on republicans over the optics is because they don't agree with the republicans conceding defeat on this issue sure they don't want a payroll tax extension. extension they don't believe that the middle i should be right they don't they don't believe that the working class in this in this country deserve anyhow there's something that i mean there's something to the idea that economically there's a belief that is that is pretty widely held by conservatives that the payroll tax cut is kind of one of these not all tax cuts are created equal that tax cuts existence fear of whether or not they help to stimulate business whether they offer relief when it's needed those tax cuts for rich people is cool tech has to work

some of that forget there's some of that let's put it that way in order to demonize the idea i mean you believe it but as a youth i mean it's as a as a way to approach it and i've said on your program before there's no question that conservatives will support supply side economics they see benefits helping small business owners out that i don't think those that are worried are should leave because it's certainly a fairy tale doesn't text kids do not always work and if we need an example of that the bush era tax cuts for the for the extremely wealthy have done nothing to help this economy if anything all of a back to the reagan era tax cuts i mean we're still you know we accumulated thirteen trillion dollars of the debts and so when the placement of a government the allocation of money whether it be taking it through the task going to redistributing it as it sees fit is not some sort of magic wand that fixes the economy we've really seen that actually sometimes it certainly helps. but as a unit as universal it doesn't exist extended unemployment benefits are set to expire along with these so-called tax breaks i'm personally

a bill about tax breaks but that's those lazy pay for drugs. so if republicans don't pass the senate compromise bill as many as three million people right now who are unemployed are suddenly not going to check january first under the republican plan the number of weeks people who get unemployment is going to drop from ninety nine down to fifty nine and it also. puts government makes a big on steroids all of a sudden you know in government is like saying here pee in the cup what has happened to your party vince well i mean over talking about if we're talking about proposals that my party or for the daily caller and we may republicans are not happy for when i'm in time with us what i thought is bad but with their budgets that suddenly their love big big government well i don't know that they want to go right think that they were the opposite of what they have done i will give i will give republicans credit for is that they've changed the nature of the debate i mean i've again we've talked about this before but that one point a year ago today we were talking about the bush tax cuts being extended and when

liberals would talk about it they wouldn't talk about it as being a tax increase which indeed would be the expiration of the bush tax cuts would be an increase the same is said for the payroll tax the expiration of this payroll tax would be a tax increase and now liberals have embraced it as the defining the republicans have and there is they have had a victory there is how they talk and i think you're right for this and this is tax cuts do no no you're that's that's true but vince has a really really good a really important point here is that isn't that has ever happened and that is that when the time comes that we want to say ok you know let's let's keep working on making social security hole and let's go back to you know the so security tax rate being what it should be to you to fund social security and let's not find out anything else because it needs to stand alone otherwise it's at risk it's going to be damn hard for democrats to do that with the republican stand side and saying hey you know for last three years you guys been called this tax cut yeah i think it. well i mean let's they look far down the line and think well if we never go back to having these payroll taxes at their normal level then maybe want to worry about

privatizing social security when exist anymore i think if they were thinking that way grover norquist would be drowning many babies in the bathtub. if he was i'm guessing the only way this can be done is a when the economy is back together again and b. is part of a larger plan like lifting the cap on social security to make social security hole and then actually lifted the cap to infinite from zero they they could keep this cut permanent i mean you know that that's one possibility but anyhow so looks like the fact checkers over a little fact of political fact. need some fact checking yesterday they say that the democratic claim that paul ryan was trying to end medicare as we know it was not just the biggest not a not just a lie and not just a pants on fire lie but the biggest lie of the year and what blows my mind is that it wasn't the democrats who said it it was the wall street journal the democrats were quoting in the wall street journal in the ad the political fact is complained about i mean what's with these people well i think it's six to six and one and

a half a dozen in the other i mean the point is the that the idea that paul ryan was presenting a plan that would end medicare as was true was a larger you know here's here's my question for you because the political act makes the same point that many conservatives are making for the last couple months on the subject and that is look it was privatized and it was still called medicare so it was medicare and therefore you can't say that you're ending medicare as you know well if i wanted to privatized the f.b.i. and subcontract all of that work out to private industry of private investigators and everything else would we still call it the f.b.i. or we say that the f.b.i. was ended as we know it because certainly a bunch of ragtag you know private investigators couldn't do the work of the f.b.i. but we will have affectively and did the f.b.i. there's no difference in saying that. paul ryan wanted to end medicare as we know and that's exactly what a proposal would have to you're flipping a binary you're saying it's either it's either it is either medicare or it's not

medicare as soon as he attempts to make fixes to the scenario i think we're going to pair program i think we can all agree on the point that medicare needs fixing entitle mintz need fixing i mean they are swallowing our economy well you know the bush administration put a poison pill in medicare when they said you know you guys are going to spend six hundred billion dollars over the next ten years extra that you would have had to pay what would you as you can negotiate for drug problems what would your solution to fix medicare be to raise taxes around the resolution problem and some conservatives talk about fixing social programs they mean precisely what bush did with the. drug benefit put something into the program twenty years ago they would have just said we're going to get rid of medicare we're going to get rid of the permanent education we're going to get rid of the part of the commerce and energy and the e.p.a. they realize that is not a popular way to say things that are more so they proposed things that will cripple the institution and make people hate that institution to a degree which they're willing to get rid of if they were going to the whole world for decades for two decades even derisive public schools you know let's let's privatized part of the schools and then you know but but those schools have the

option of saying no we want take the most difficult kids of the most difficult kids and of the public schools and go oh about the public you know i mean i think that's an accurate i think in many regards public schools as probably i mean if you conserve as much talk about what a winning argument there is a lot of i should not change the topic i will say that. they tried you know they were doing these ads that their buyout with t. mobile was a shot a complete you know it was a done deal you know when this happens everything's going to be wonderful and we're going to all these new jobs and it turns out that if that deal is gone through between eighty and t. mobile and verizon and these two companies do awfully we control eighty percent of the wireless market you know states that's not competitive fact i'd argue that what we have right now is not competitive in practically any industry. our banks for example on wall street way too big to fail you've got six banks that control as it's equal to sixty five percent of the g.d.p. . the united states that's insane isn't it time not just to start saying no to things like eighteen thousand nine hundred mobile but to start actually going back

to the teddy roosevelt breaking standard oil of the twenty nine companies or richard nixon jerry ford and jimmy carter and ronald reagan breaking eighteen what was in one camp in the baby bell companies and everything else and i think the big problem here is that. these things have been happening is the economy has been doing worse and what you find is that in gauge but politically engagement in the news lessons when people are worried about putting food on their table or to borrow a phrase from president bush putting food on their family. so they don't think about what does this merger mean for me and what does it mean for my bill they don't think about what is a bank too big to fail why why are they now too big to fail when when i was growing up i had a local bank or i had a big bank but it certainly wasn't this big. so the american people are not focused on these issues you know vince i don't i don't think that the average american knows that canada has had no banking crisis whatsoever because they have those right heavily regulated banking sector in the western world and most americans

don't know that the average monthly cell phone bill in france is twenty five bucks . that's that's for full service that's you know wireless texting smartphone the whole bit because they've got over one hundred different companies competing canada's canada's benefits are not aside i would say on the issue of prices banks are small but i would say they they they demand i would say in the issue of antitrust i think our national and nation our natural instinct i sort of great feelings on this issue but i think our natural instinct should always be deferral to as a first instinct based instinct to business i think there's a point of government regulation in this and it's to keep businesses from needlessly using their power using the their so their sheer size at some point to maliciously force out competition in the market now. when you have i'm with you so we want to say the word maliciously does that just mean well no i mean it's supposed to make profits and. there is some of that but i just want to add on that

on the other side of it those remember a lot of these companies when they join together they create efficiencies they lower the cost of these products they come out with the innovation at faster paces there's a lot to say for companies being able to merge and every once they've established the market has created so they use the savings knowledge you would never have look at microsoft eventually did have to be broken up microsoft produces a crappy product microsoft has some of the great innovation of the ninety's it was it was you know it was the snappy you know what's the linux i mean you know it's you know it's there but in the course of its growth pattern it offers some of the greatest innovator only on created early on when he did management and i want to add to that what it what had one of ninety percent of the market had you monica and the e.u. is saying you know this is an op look i'm not arguing on this issue or in a rare moment all i can say is that all i can say is that i kind of do a fuzzy feelings about this but we should defer all due judgment to business first and then take it on when we defer to business we get things like the housing crisis we get things like the basically very healthiest for a business to start breaking them up that's all i mean you know a stockholder equity if you on the stock before the break up after the break up

your equity was greater and you did you know what else to say and if we broke the stocks up it would make the idea that we have to make another billion dollars in profit over and over and over again each year i think of the past they would actually focus on strengthening their businesses for the long haul to you or anything ok in this girl thank you thanks so much great to have you. coming up coming up occupy wall street started its third month over the weekend with an action that has lots of people talking we'll hear from two people who are at the center of it all. but drives the world the fear mongering used by politicians who makes decisions to break through that sort of being made who can you trust no one who is in view with a global missionary to see where we had a state controlled capitalism is called sessions when nobody dares to

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