cynical to understand that actually behind the noble motive is self-interest if we look at what happened in egypt the west backed mubarak right to the very last and then was no longer possible to back him when it was indefensible they dumped him and the same with the president of tunisia and then they moved very very quickly on libya what was happening in libya that was actually terrible in many cases in the name of human rights they kind of attacked libya the same with syria you know it's kind of it's a it's a protest movement it's democratic change and reform which are very worthwhile motives to support but there is another agenda there which has to do with broader global and regional strategies what has the libyan scenario failed in syria will the western powers change their tactics i think that libya was the template for syria kind of went to the u.n. they got the no fly zone was lucian and that opened up libya to aerial attack and i think they thought that they could repeat this in syria but it didn't prove to be

possible largely because of russia actually because russia made it plain that they would not support another no fly and no fly zone of resolution in the security council so this left the government of britain france and the u.s. in particular with you know they had to work out what policy they were going to pursue you know still think they would like to intervene in syria but they realize it's not some of the last thing is that libya is a different situation altogether thanks so much for the risk of much greater dangers are much greater because intervention in syria how would you describe it whether you're talking about a buffer zone or you talk american military or humanitarian causal as the french foreign minister does it still adds up to the same thing as the invasion of another country and syria would resist that around to get involved actively get involved it's hard like a fallback position i think is to support. certain activities inside syria which are calculated and in the downfall of the assad government and its

replacement by. government will be formed presumably from the exiles from the agitation. they presume would take take over in your book the unmaking of the middle east you chronicle the lawn and lead a history of western invasions in arab lands with all the efforts by the u.n. and arab league the dayton row of arab league is the threat of foreign military invasion for syria is in the past right or not yet of course is still a possibility of course as to the possibility of their border rather because it's so risky for intervention would be service be however it was done would be to kind of maintain the support for what's happening inside syria on the side of the opposition and their calculation would be that sooner or later these precious if they were interned would result in the collapse of the assad government well as compare syria with the league and iraq to what extent the syrian national council

similar to leave because national transitional council or iraqi national congress rocky national congress was almost a fiction the leader of no support inside iraq whatsoever he lived outside iraq for a long long time and he was pumped up because they wanted to create this exiled body called the iraqi national congress so there was an iraqi voice in the propaganda war against saddam hussein the libyan situation the lives of the libyan transitional council as you know basically would affect us from the governing tripoli jump ship when it got too hot and they took a really forming the road to benghazi and the transitional national council for all of whom we didn't know we knew someone from all they said we can't say the syrian national council is largely composed of all the mixture of people who have their roots who are inside syria but the dominant i think part exiles. has been in paris for

a long time like read one. who's based in washington who has very very close ties with the state department you know what kind of clout what part of hold of these people have inside syria i would say not much. you know so there are similarities between these councils and of course you know that the transitional national council or national transitional council in libya. recognize the syrian national council as a legitimate representative the syrian people it's not that simple as that so it's kind of part of the the campaign against syria of which that that that now the lead part is now the libyan government is now part elections at various levels our country and to go in in syria with more had so what do you think will bashar al assad remain in power as a result and we have a very very dangerous situation in syria which could have exploded into a very very nasty. proto breakdown inside the country and could lead to a regional war. in this context let's see if this you give me

a few months and see how the process works for bashar does have. a base of popular support so. i don't think you could say that the party would be doomed the moment they call free elections that could do well why do you think human rights watch talks and for media neglects the damage done by militant groups in syria it's somewhat of a mystery to me it's a mystery and the city has made some pretty. provocative claims in in with regard to syria one of them is that i think it was military people dressing up as doctors in homs hospital because any verification of that you know it's a claim made on the basis of on name people. and similar claims have been made by other human rights organizations human rights watch the. u.n. human rights council it's committee is all one way it's all about what the government is doing and making very very extreme claims the government's response

to the death of two hundred fifty six children for example. four thousand five thousand of dart there is no desegregation which is what the critical reader would want you know you see these they get where they coming from doesn't even know how many people have been killed in syria so far in its report. the human rights council report said four thousand but there was no expression of that figure where they go. a few days later lovely pillai he's the un human rights commissioner for the security council and so far for. the figure it goes around the world and i think it lodges in the popular imagination is five thousand people being killed by the syrian government but security forces by enough for whatever reason fact i don't think is any doubt at all that a large number of military of civilians have been killed by armed gangs about

it but but fact is so what we actually need to do is to aggregate these figures what how many people have been killed by the syrian army how many of them were innocent entirely innocent how many of them were men who picked up arms. how many civilians have been killed by gangs so forth and so on you need to break the whole thing down but these figures are not broken down since we are in turkey let's talk about turkey a little bit turkey definitely wants to be associated with the changes in this region to be seen as a leading play in this movement so may turkey he used this moment to its advantage turkey before the policy for the last seven years of creating zero zero problems on the borders. and that meant kind of dealing with iran doing with syria and turkey and syria had a rather complicated relationship over many many years. and so these problems were resolved and they did lead to

a very good stable balanced relationship with syria and with iran in particular and all sudden that policy was reversed instantly like turkey did a sharp right hand turn i think the turkish government seem to think that the syrian government for the protest movement has got up and running and i think the calculated it's only a question of time before the syrian government goes and therefore i think it want to put it to be it want to be riding a wave ok put itself on the crest of the wave the quest of the wave of reform and change in the middle a sin to be seen as a leader of this movement so to make decisions but fact is that the theory as as i will tell said. this is not media if anyone interferes with us like across the borders to cause an earthquake in this region so the stakes for everyone including turkey in this situation a very very high but turkey made his decision that i think that as a blogger therefore we support the opposition therefore we support the syrian

national council but the office space in istanbul therefore we support free syrian army do you think that was a wrong decision in doing so they have antagonize iran they've antagonized iraq. because now rockets come out quite strongly in support of syria and of course the lebanese government by his boss has also been very very critical of turkey so the change in foreign policy has kind of that dump a zero problem policy and what they've done act is create problems now if if if assad goes ok then so what us but if it if if if he doesn't somehow manage to ride this out. well then i suppose there's going to be a go on someone's face you know and they'll have to pull back from a position that you had to create and actually is not really tenable any longer you've got to deal with this government here like it or not is to keep being sincere in its intentions saying it wants stability in syria and stability in the

region but the law does so with with. with saudi arabia with united states britain and france that's where it is that's what happens and so the rhetoric about humanitarian intervention a buffer zone humanitarian strip has been a cover several thing in discussion about syria over the last six months and took along with that but they know the dangers they do of course they know that this that if there was a move across the border if turkey somehow we're talking to taking the lead. it would open up a pandora's box of problems you know and i. you know turkey itself has said you know there's no question of invention but it seems to me there is definitely a bit of ambivalence over this issue like it's an option that somehow still bit however it might be carried out.

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with. far no holds barred global financial headlines kaiser reports on. the top stories from odd say the u.s. says it's warships will stick to the admissions near a crucial oil lane out of the persian gulf despite warnings from iran to stay away the standoff continues to drive up oil prices and attention. the republican presidential kind of embrace get some way in earnest but voters remain indecisive over just who to put forward to capitalize on disillusionment with barack obama. the euro's woes flare up again on. for christmas lol with athens now threatening to ditch the eurozone unless the e.u. and i.m.f. funneled more bailout cash into its collapsing economy. and the gyptian said back to polling stations for the third and final round of the parliamentary election the first vote there since president mubarak was toppled. one is

a four with me kevin zero in fifteen minutes and then andrew scott the sport. hello there welcome to the sport and these are the headlines three uneasy managed to city beat liverpool perineal to race clear at the top of being leashed primarily . while title rivals manchester united have the chance to get level with a trip to newcastle. and basketball kings him off on the weekend after a fourteen month winning streak in russia's top flight. but first russia have reached the finals of the under twenty world ice hockey championship speaking hosts canada six five and a real thriller in calgary the russians had been six one up after a hard truth from you can you please not itself but the house then stormed back

with four goals in five minutes in the final period to set up a really tense finale however russia managed to hold on and defending champions will now face sweden in the final after they came from two known down to be finland three two in a shootout. while on to the football where the city have beaten liverpool three nil to go three points clear at the top of the english premier league city had lost the sunderland just forty eight hours before this game but put that disappointment behind them with goals and where a guy of touré and james milner penalties the only blip the sending off of sitting midfielder gareth barry in the seventy minute liverpool were playing without striker luis suarez after deciding not to appeal against his eight match ban for racially abusing manchester united's patrice evra elsewhere spurs the third six points behind city after their one there when i have a west brom and sunderland continue to impress under new manager martin o'neill with a four one victory over struggling wigan but it is city who are leading the way.

fight. we were very lucky to get a game tonight that in that all three four we had some problem in this it on doubt we did a good performance. a look at your school way reflects a really good way though obviously it's a must see and we deserve to win but. i think the lesson that was left from today's. doing for no clinical we're going to suffer. there's a lot of things out today that really we can correct well to not have it in taken bolton amongst united have the chance to get back on level terms with sitting there trying to newcastle both sides looking to banks back after a disappointing defeat at the weekend. here with all that you know the clubs like

ourselves you know. the big clubs come along and you've got to get yourself up and ready for and we're looking forward to tomorrow night and i said of the back of a disappointing result fancy there be more might be fired up for as we are after game being more livable so i think you could go well players in the russian premier league is still enjoying their winter break at the moment so it is an opportunity to look back at the pick of their goals from twenty eleven with a net bulging. i

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i. i i. i. i i see crack is there including a couple from cabana who are currently managed by former chelsea star to tresco he got them promoted to russia's top flight and earlier in the season he spoke with artie's consenting to top off don you left chelsea three years before a monogram or is what the club do you feel any regret that you weren't there when salaries went sky high and the blues finally or won the league. yeah i think it was

about time for me to leave the club but i didn't know at the time that a bit of which was going to come and also. in this time i was not in the good relationship with the coach who was really them i had to leave but i was sorry for sure because after the two years i lived chelsea won the championship you spearheaded the only area a team which played in the champions league so why did you decide to make a move to combine a team which has been just relegated the owner of the club and the governor to the region. especially in a mania for me three times in my house on the street a computer i think that was fantastic season i mean the club i was working. i was sure is going in the wrong direction because they finish the money and in this moment this club disappear from football and i think i did the right thing to move in the right time before they come to bonn and they had five coaches in one ear and

i was going to be scared about the situation but they said they want to change something and leave even though in the last three games in the road and there was the pressure a little bit last year i know that the owner of the club said. but it's going to be the new role for the sort of the bond and he'll trust me do you think that the world cup and twenty teams can change something in this i'm sure i'm kind of percent sure after the world cup russia will be much better not just in the national team out also in the club competition and they will learn a lot from this and it's good for the country because there will be a new stadium of snow airports new streets new hotels i think it's fantastic for russia that the world cup will be here and i wish after the world cup i'll be russia because that will be the time to be here and i was about manager dan prescott speaking with artie's constantine the top of the in the season now let's switch to tennis and the council open why defending champion roger federer has brushed aside twenty ten win in a kind of

a. it's reached the second round the swiss maestro also beat the russian in last year's final missing period again this time around federer able to breeze through the getting set in a mia twenty two minutes taking sixty seven genco was unable to regain his composure after that poor start with federate taking the first round match sixty six two in just under an hour this was saying to win the capital title for the fourth time since elsewhere yes she coached poland a lot he was among those watching six the. lot for junior the russian getting a comeback win over felipe over landry also in round one the tally won the open set seven five but all of them began to show their resilience which came eighteen motion of the year award the twenty eight year old making a swift turnaround in the second set to close out a five seven six four six two when i was. while rafael nadal is staying on track to become the first spaniard ever to win the katter open the top seeds appeared to be heading for

a nice and first round victory after winning the eight being set against felipe call schreiber the german veteran however was able to take the second thing down the tempo when the two eventually grind out three set win in just over two and a half hours. i am we will end with basketball where him ki have suffered their first league defeat in fourteen months in russia's top flight but it was by the now wrist of margins top four so i could see clearly getting a sixty eight points to sixty seven victory in the league is seen by business as usual faintly at first as they rule to a fifteen point lead after the first quarter to tally frizzed and leading the charge of getting high sixteen points but the men from south america kept chipping away at the deficit thanks largely to brian rush not to me again high seventy pinky led by four at half time but couldn't hold off a surge from the visitors the size went back and forth from the final pool to be.

it was pretty yeah we managed sixty sixty seven minutes. while the memphis grizzlies rediscovered their rule i really n.b.a. following a thirty point loss against chicago on sunday really gave you twenty three points to help you so i put away the sacramento kings have some young another celtic contributor to the home team exasperates adding twenty points off the bench that steal lie and lay out and i can see five six to forty presents i can go and i think one hundred thirty nine hundred sixty final school was the kings have now lost four out of that last five after winning the series and. that's all we've got time for with the weather coming up. to the. audience technology innovation hall believes developments from around russia we've got this huge earth covered.

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to the ice on r t the us says it's warships will stick to their mission is due to a crucial all laid out of the persian gulf despite warnings miranda stay away the standoff continues to drive up oil prices and tension. the republican presidential candidate race gets underway in this but voters show they're still unclear over just who to put forward to capitalize on barack obama's plummeting poll ratings. and the rise of crime and gang culture among british youngsters from troubled families who say it's the only way of escaping violence at home. or. hello it's eleven pm here in moscow you're watching r t live with me kevin now

in our top story oil prices have jumped in response to the latest heated exchange between iran and the u.s. over the persian gulf the critical trade route in the strait of hormuz washington says its war ships will continue their missions in the region despite terrans warning that they should stay away iran threatened to block oil shipments through the strait of hormuz if the western sanctions hit its exports that threat came at the same time as a ten day long naval exercise which showcased new aircraft and medium range missiles the u.s. who ships are stationed in the area maintains that it won't tolerate any hindrance of passage iran's already suffering from four rounds of sanctions the latest bill signed by president obama on monday saw its national currency drop by ten percent to a record low earlier it's an expert on mideast affairs told me he thinks diplomacy is the only way out of the current stalemate they cause sanctions will down the.