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three there's always the rocking of the old. one protester nobody seems to know. but never a pepper sprayed the face right part of the argument that they're being overly dramatic. our guys it's time for show and tell on tonight's program the last time we spoke about the millions of dollars were flooding into iowa despite reports of low voter enthusiasm we asked do you think of the money spent in iowa is worth its political importance but a producer patrice in a sense to find out what she had to say. the republican presidential hopefuls dished out twelve point five million dollars on t.v.
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ads in iowa alone that's according to the campaign media analysis group and that did not even include the money spent on cable t.v. ads a total expert enter on just forty six as can go over two hundred and seventy one thousand dollars per ad that's more than five times the medium the household income in the whole state of iowa and here's the kicker two thirds of that cash came from super pacs not the candidates you know it came to two hundred dollars spent for each vote cast so was that money worth all the political importance well miles said the amount of money squandered in iowa only proves that american democracy is based on serving the biggest donor rather than their voters casamance said no way was that money worth it just think about all the things that money could have done instead of funding a three ring circus in iowa but then there's you i see fareed who says yes it was worth it because iowa has a huge symbolic importance and symbols can make or break a candidate all all in. that advertising may be what contributed to ultimately the
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biggest turnout in iowa caucus coming in just under the record set in two thousand and eight but as the primaries move on from state to state and huge amounts of money continue to flow in it looks like a symptom of a political system got away and democracy at work. as always we appreciate your responses and so here's our next question for you or the show we spoke about the u.s. is defense strategy outlined by secretary of defense leon panetta and president obama today so i want to hear from you do you think of this represents a real turning point for the u.s. military or just a continuation of the status quo but it's now on facebook twitter and you tube and you know it's a response it just might make it harder. and once again twitter is being asked to hand over its users personal information to the government this time the request is coming from a boston district attorney and a site received a subpoena from the boss from the boston district attorney daniel of conley in mid december which calls on twitter to access account information about two users with
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the twitter handles at poison on an at occupy boston legal order is in relation to those two twitter users who leaked personal information about some boston police officers at the height of the occupy boston movement now wire reports of boston police are targeting these two individuals because they released several documents which reveal personal information on forty senior officers and even the boston mayor tom menino now in the subpoena the boston da's requested all available subscriber information for the county or accounts associated with the following information including ip address logs for account creation and for activity during the period of december eighth to the thirteenth according to the web pro news the da is also looking for account information on anybody who included the hashtags of boston p.d. and dox cake in their tweets which is truly absurd because there are thousands of people who included those hashtags to the boston p.d. to make such requests i think reveals one of two things either a serious lack of understanding about how hashtags are. used or not or disregard
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for free speech my guess is that it's a mix of both and we should note that twitter carries a policy that will only notify users excuse me that it will notify its users when law enforcement agencies request information from that policy at the da has actually asked not to be enforced in this case but that's a piano has been leaked detailing all the requests and it caused quite an uproar on the web and rightly so about how cops are amassing information on social media sites to keep track of anybody that they deem suspicious now one of the users under the microscope boys anon actually tweeted about this receiving about receiving this legal order and they said ha ha boston p.d. submitted a subpoena to twitter for my information l.o.l. for what posting in focal from public domains come at me bro. now the other account occupy boston it was only active or four days and only lists for tweets so they really feel like a threat now wired suspects that the account occupy underscore boston is probably the user the police are actually searching for and their own computer illiteracy is
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probably to blame in this situation but since that subpoena was sent out poison on a started working with a.c.l.u. attorney peter krupp and the attention of the leak subpoena has caused such an uproar that a boston superior court judge has barred anybody involved in this case from discussing it that's a situation that usually only occurs if the case involves sensitive security issues now couples came out and said that the subpoena is just an elaborate fishing expedition for the police to find anybody who spoke out about the police during the occupy boston eviction from dewey park boston police actually told a local paper that they're investigating serious threats directed at department personnel however they wouldn't ever elaborate on what those serious threats might be so if this is simply about really documents the wire they are requesting information on anybody who used to hash tag sounds to me like the boston police are issuing a subpoena because they don't like the way that they are being talked about on twitter it's one thing to go after the leaks it's another to go after anybody using a hash tag now as a still early investigation but we do hope that we do hope that twitter fights this
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request stands out for the privacy of its users and in the meantime i'll be sure to let you know how the court rules on this matter. now been about three and a half months since the occupy movement began in new york last year the winter cold is beginning to set in some of the numbers are dwindling in the remaining occupy camps and out of what was once more than twelve hundred the camps left standing are few thanks to city officials that lost patience and evicted the occupiers sometimes with force but those within the movement say that this by no means signals an end quite the opposite they're gearing up for what's being called phase two of occupy and that includes more specific targeted actions across the country and even an occupy television show so let's hear a little more joining me from our studio in new york is jessica greco activist and writer jesse thanks so much for joining us tonight it's been a while since you and i have spoken the last time we caught up was when we actually took the loner show to is a comedy park. right there from the ground so since that moment in october how do
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you think of the occupy movement has changed you know. from the beginning the point of occupy wall street is not the can it's the challenge corruption and power and i think that whether the weather ranger snows or it's below zero or problems are going away so neither should we so we've got a lot of these coming up for january february in the months beyond and we're very excited about participating in the national conversation well can you tell us what some of the plans are what phase two of occupy as it's being called is. so you know a lot of people the activists from on the on by community are going to take things in their own direction whether it's confronting corrupt corporate politicians while they campaign for president or other local actions in their own communities but one of the things that we're very happy to talk about is january fifteenth with this march which is martin luther king jr day we're going to be holding nationwide candlelight vigil starting at seven pm and from my understanding it's going to be
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taking place in other places around the world too so we have several musicians artists who are going to be participating performing on january fifteenth and we're looking forward to a very large peaceful turnout in solidarity with more new took a junior stream tell me more about this television show apparently that the occupy movement is trying to set up. well i haven't heard much pacifically but i do understand that there are several radio stations and television networks who are not only actively looking for occupiers to get the message out but also to expand an audience to the younger people who are interested in what we're doing as well as the elderly people who are concerned about their retirements so to me it's all about getting the message out there and if anything it says to me that americans and other people around the world really want to have this conversation that's why it's going forward to the television well tommy what is it exactly it tells you that americans really want to have this conversation because i'd like to believe that americans want to have this conversation and yet sometimes you still find yourself a little bit shocked by it what is the people actually do tune into when it comes
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to t.v. being reality t.v. and what not. well you know that's one of the reasons that the internet is so powerful right now because to the large ford or corporate media has failed us c.n.n. fox news they don't talk about the issues that people really care about whether it's going back to sensible tax rates on the ridge and big corporate personhood meaningful campaign finance reform that turns our elections back into a vote by we the people not the auction system the bank of america can manipulate if anything it says to me that people really really want the truth and if they get it from c.n.n. or fox news they're just going to have to go elsewhere whether it's on the internet or another t.v. network but do you think that one of the strategies that we might see next there are a lot many camps left right but there is news today that global revolution t.v. which has been and has been streaming from a lot of the occupy camps around the country that they got evicted enbrel plan that there are a number of arrests do you think that police are going to start heading towards their next because they know that this aspect of the media is getting the
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information out is what's keeping the movement alive. you know what drives me crazy is a taxpayer is that what i pay taxes that pay the police is salaries i don't expect them to repress my freedom of speech if anything i'm kind of glad that the movement has become a little bit more mobile because when we're protesting is you can park it makes it hard for us to get to people in brooklyn or bronx or queens so if anything it's almost a blessing in disguise you know a so for whining in the clouds and even if the police are going to try to preempt our ability to have this conversation public we're just going to keep going about it when the weather gets better we'll be out there we're all really looking forward to an american spring. now i'm curious what you think about the fact you know originally the occupy movement started with a lot of people camping out and there were massive actions and now it seems like it's moving more to certain targeted actions and let's go back and look what happened in iowa for example they wanted to occupy the iowa caucus they wanted to try to get delegates in there that might make it to the d.n.c. or the r. and c.
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and that didn't necessarily happen do you think that sometimes. you know the specific actions the more targeted ones might have a smaller effect. really depends on what you're aiming for i mean i understand that mitt romney was confronted by an occupier up in new hampshire today who made a very specific point the major corporations are people in kansas some occupiers were able to speak to their local congressmen who are bought and paid for by alec which is a corporate trade group that basically pushes one percent from you legislation you know we're going to have to engage in the political process sometimes many levels as we can we won't always succeed but you know what progress comes one step at a time so it's worth the effort no matter what aren't so then how do you see this really playing out over the next year before we head up to this general election no matter how many people come out on the streets or actually maybe you don't agree with me here right but there's a lot of americans that are coming out on the streets right now but i think they're probably just as many if not many more that actually do go to the polls and vote
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and vote in one of the two candidates that are the options from the only two parties that exist in our political system without changing so how does the occupy movement deal with that. well you know just speaking on my own behalf i would say that i want to see boots on the ground translate into changing laws whether it's bringing bag glass steagall the fire wall that separates investment banks from saving banks whether it's campaign finance reform or a litany of other issues i really feel it's important that we take part in a political process now if people are unhappy with both parties and i'm not either i would see one for a local office yourself find someone who represents your views and promote that candidate but whatever happens i really think that it's important that we gauge in the process from the inside and the outside and i expect that so many people are passionately involved in what's going on america today that they're going to find a way to have their voice heard one way or the other but in the meantime what do you do if your options are obama are romney or obama or paul or obama or santorum.
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well you know what you just had on a moment ago i think you made a really good point for myself i often feel that the democrats push corporatism in like second gear and the republicans push corporatism in sixth year now that gets frustrating but at the same time it's a personal choice that each person has to make whether they feel that obama's compromise to march or if it's better just to get anybody out myself i can't afford another lost decade and i strongly feel that under george w. bush america had a lost decade now we're just starting to pick ourselves up out of the doldrums to go back to the same ideas that didn't work aren't the answer but i can't speak on behalf of all of occupy wall street because i know they got a lot of ron paul supporters i know we have obama supporters we have moderates we have independent we have people who don't even think the political process is working myself i'm a progressive so i'm a little biased and i way but i think that we should have this larger conversation whether it's about ron paul's idea to end the war which i strongly support or if it's another candidate's point of view of myself i'm going to live with warrants or
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support i would like to see her kind of politics become prevalent so i tell everybody you know i'm not going to tell you how to vote make sure that you be a voter be a voter it's very important my opinion and you know that's just where i stand on the issue and i want to be interesting to see you know what does end up happening in november thanks so much for joining us tonight you're very welcome thanks for having me. all right still ahead on tonight's show rick santorum wins our told time award yet again so stay tuned to find out what he said this time and if night happy hour the state of michigan is waging war against novelty lighters and should kids get better grades if they're better than yours perhaps not out. into i don't really know what the mechanism to do the work of bringing justice for accountability. i have every right to know what my government should do if you want to know why i pay taxes. but i would characterize obama
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as they care is not a version of american exceptionalism. you know sometimes you see a story and it seems so you think you understand it and then something else here sees some other part of it and realize everything. you don't know i'm tom harpur welcome to the big picture.
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of the capitol and i'm laurin mr. breather to believe the the roughing. the only. one protesting nobody seems to know. the number of pepper spray to the face but part of the argument that they're being overly dramatic. are guys it's time for tonight's tool time award and tonight once again it goes to rick santorum earlier this week he won our title because he cloaked his belief that
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contraception is bad because it gives people a license to do not do sexual things in the cloak of a states' right argument further pushing is crazy christian agenda but that's not the only comment that he's made recently that has a few people upset earlier this week while he was campaigning in iowa he started discussing his opposition to welfare programs but just take a listen to why he's against that. i don't want to make people's lives better by giving them somebody else's money i want to give the opportunity the money and provide yeah that's right he said that he didn't want to give black people other people's money but rather he wants them to go out and earn that money for themselves now you think that rick with think oh crap immediately after that happened but i guess not because in an interview with c.b.s. to scott pelley right after he gave that speech he reiterated his stance on entitlements santorum said if you look at what i've been saying i've been pretty clear about my concern for dependency in this country and concern for people not being more dependent on our government whatever their race or ethnicity is art so
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it seemed as if rick was sticking to his word that he doesn't want to give black people other people's money which is an outright offensive statement and just try to throw in a quick no matter what your race or ethnicity is in the second go around well as you can imagine this statement pissed a lot of people off that the president said santorum is targeting of african-americans is an accurate and outrageous and lifts up old race based aereo tape's stereotypes about public assistance and the urban league also condemned his comment which could hurt santorum because the g.o.p. candidate worked with both of these groups when he was a senator so two days after he made that comment in iowa rick had to take time away from his campaigning to do some damage control on the mainstream media networks and according to him he didn't actually say black people. i've looked at that quote in fact i looked at the video and i don't effect i'm pretty confident i didn't say black what i think i started to say a word and sort of sort of mumbled it and changed my thought but i don't i don't
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recall seemed like no one in that audience no one listened they know reporter there are heard me say that i think it was from everything i see and i've looked at it several times i was starting to say one word and i sort of came up with a different word and moved on because i said black i didn't know one of that audience and i've talked a lot and we love it oh you do a little with laurie i looked at a very it is i mean you are not. you have got to be kidding me rick i mean come on even bill o'reilly is calling b.s. on that excuse this is almost like when newt said that he cheated on his wife because he loved his country so much he got to sit back and be impressed by the audacity of you guys but the really sad part here is that santorum did seem pretty determined to let the world know that he didn't actually say black people just blog people like he actually believes that that's legit but his statement to fix a mistake on c.n.n. or fox news has just made it that much worse and on top of that who's giving
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santorum is talking points here the entire country is in an economic crisis we have record numbers of people of all races that are living in poverty they're in need of assistance that's not to discount the fact that certain segments of the population have been more to support proportionately affected but seriously this black people all live off of welfare thing it's got to go in fact break and i'll others only nine percent of african-americans to rely on welfare compared to eighty four percent of public assistance recipients that are white in that state but anyway the entire fact that rick santorum first made his racist statement then stood up for it with a minor tweak then tried to walk the entire thing back with by far the most absurd excuse i have ever heard all of that makes him our tool time winner yet again. our guide time for happy hour and joining me this evening is our chief producer jenny churchill and jim hansen retired special operations master sergeant and
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military blogger of black five dot net hey guys thanks for joining me let's start off with a little something called don't tase me bro unfortunately this is what our police like to do these days everybody. in the room. ok so they have tasers but can you imagine what might happen if they have bunch of other things because this non-lethal wish list has been leaked by an anti-secrecy website called public intelligence and basically the list comes from the military and it includes lasers and heat beams designed as disperse crowds and nausea inducing sound waves targeted at scuba divers amongst other things you think you love what about how can you be against non-lethal means i mean we could use obama's method which is a hellfire missile because tasers are legal because people die from being taser all
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the time we look at israel you see on the show i'm concerned about the scuba diving thing you can not see it inducing in your skin but i mean you have a mask on and you puke on your mask while you try and i just want to get up on a navy boat i hope you drug a bit then it's not non-lethal ok it's lethal what i thought was really cool they've got this airborne laser airflow thing so they can move planes or oh i'm pretty sure us all the on the t.v. show truck and that's totally awesome if they're watching chuck for our ideas. you know that you know like you think that that's not the queen's with lasers i'm all for it ok all right let's move on to the next thing we make fun of our politicians all the time here in the u.s. because you're exactly all that internet savvy and we're not the only ones that think so. and i am a illiterate that has to rely on my wife for all of the assistance that i can get it is not something that you just stuff something obviously not
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a big truck it's just a series of. if you don't understand those tubes in the field. when you put your message on it gets a life is going to be delayed by anyone who wants to a normal process material. i don't think any of us have a facebook page or. we were never that is. yes. there are politicians that try to legislate you know. just like this supreme court justice is scary but in sweden they know what's up they're way ahead of the game listen to this piracy is now officially a religious act of peer to peer file sharing is a holy act and information is sacred and this is all according to the tenets of the missionary church of coping ism and basically is an offshoot of the pirate party and they've been trying like for three years to get her three times already to get this approved and it's finally been approved there have three thousand members what
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he say i mean i happen to be a ordained minister of the pasta far in church with i think i've mentioned before so i'm all for this i think it's great i'm just waiting for the u.s. to recognize my chosen religion i worship the flying spaghetti monster so i'm on board unfortunately it is still. a force in our fortunes but basically it's still legal just because they get to claim that it's their religious belief it's still legal and they're not in the fun kind of pirates like the are maybe pirates you know they're just through with movies they're losers i mean people have screwed up i'm a swede you know handsome piers and swats and i'm a swede and i think this is ridiculous i mean you might as well say that most muslims hearing information is not sharing is sharing. i'm waiting for occupy wall street to jump on this and come up with an occupy wall street religion and erect churches in places like zuccotti park and believe anyone else think everyone if you can't kick people out once they build the church. all right. let's move on
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to the state of indiana which is trying to ban novelty lighters. and here's actually an example of michigan already tried to do this earlier and this is why michigan tried to do it. this legislation is to all abandon novelty lighters the number two liners are toys later that are made to look like toys they're attractive nuisance ones which means that we know what their kids are attracted to to loosen their nuisance because they're inherently dangerous and kids cause so many fires and you're the one making money off of marketing these as toys it's despicable one of the like you know this is where i think this stuff goes way too far i understand not wanting to market certain things towards kids and maybe even the joe camel like don't have the you know whatever the cartoons on the cigarette boxes but because it's a little lighter and of might have some kind of a flashy design or a light like never know what kids are going to be attracted to any little kids like to set things on fire they just do especially boys it's not because the lighter
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looks like israelis you know i mean i had a neighbor that be like hey want to come watch me light things on fire no i don't but i all i'm saying is i don't. think i'm looking like toys this is insane this is people trying to legislate our children parents be parents i concur . whatever knowledge they let is basically the conclusion there are guys thanks so much for joining me tonight that's it for nights out thanks for tuning in to add make sure they come back tomorrow mike rakes is going to be joining us for happy hour and we've signed up to get to become a fan of the a lot of show on facebook breaking policy on twitter as well or if you missed any of the night or any other and i think nice catch you tube dot com slash the on a shelf by the interviews as well for show and tidy up next is when it's. internal we're military mechanisms to do the work to bring justice for accountability. i have every right to know what my government's doing you want
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to know why i pay taxes. but i would characterize obama as they care is not a crucial part of american exceptionalism. you know sometimes you see a story and it seems so. you understand it and then something else some other part of it and realized everything is. hard welcome to the big picture.
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of the capital account i'm lauren lyster. see there's still police corruption. what a protester nobody seems to know. that never a pepper sprayed the face quite hard the argument that they're being overly dramatic.
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oh i'm john are going to washington d.c. and here's what's coming up tonight on the big picture michigan governor rick snyder is trying to enforce austerity in the wolverine state with the so-called financial managers so what is he paying these guys a quarter million dollars each and how much should someone make to be a mini dictator and so often entire city and from michigan down to virginia a new report says virginia official as the best state legislature money can buy find out what shadowy organization.

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