is america really that fusion of european science or this brain drain can and will be stopped we're asking the president of the european academy of sciences and heart the prominent cardiac surgeon and a man who treats science as an art felix unger. alex wonder is considered one of the world's most competent cardiac surgeons who pioneered an artificial heart design in europe and was the first european to implant it into human more than two decades ago dr linda created the european academy of sciences and arts it has developed into a global think tank on ethical and scientific values that brings together to lecture to lead from all over the world. home is that we are welcome to the show thank you thank you very much i love coming well first of all you want to academy is called both the academy of sciences and

academy of arts well for example in russia this sounds strange because we have the russian academy of sciences and the russian academy of arts and has been. for this what well for for centuries to be like that in many other countries so why is your county combining both or is it an attempt to re and i these two men if the stations of human spirit. thank you very much for very interesting question we see this obvious when we see a scientist is one entity it's. also a pop off to science it's a how we. heard how we did take it it's all to say make an inquiry and jeff or we seize as scientists in arts as in one entity in the whole building of our thinking well it's only for it's only right for medicine i think because medicine isn't a science medicine is art. isn't it's more of

a are you were there is true. and now here in the middle of our discussion we are seeing scientists are coming from our relation stu's in the church into human relations and relation to spiritual syncs and when we are taking so relation that we see nature in the content we have immediately sinuiju scientistic because science is when we have see into the human relations here we have seen historic science is a language sciences we have floor we have for us of course maybe seen imps ecology and when we are taking says spiritual sinks in we have philosophies or arts and so religions and teachers see how selfless the whole science is and to mean think is simin man has to stand ins in mill and when became of men sin via l. it weighed being our doing is an art to the human be

interesting listen one of the principles of your academy and i found it in the internet is i quote ethical principles in scientific discussions are fundamental no one topic is discussed absolutely but it's its impact on cultural ethical and consensual values and developments are always considered and quit well there are i would say that without scientific achievements people wouldn't have created most of the weaponry that they have killed millions in the twentieth century so do you think that science is capable to exist as a negative ity devoid of moral values or is there something that can assure that scientific research doesn't contradict well the moral values and i would see all want to dictate all will do a constructing you can in use in both ways you know good way and in the bed way.

for example when you're taking care flute in account you can take a flute or for playing commander for music and you can also take a flute to kill somebody else you have the eye it is a moral issue how we. are knowledge our scientists our. human way loose for the bit of say human so so what you're saying that there is no such thing as immoral science or immoral research even even if someone so we can on poisons this may be moral may be immoral it's depends on the yids now i books is science itself has no radio you have facts and send it's coming see interpretation when you're going to interpret did to for a misuse change you have bob and so what we are facing cement think is said to you have to use your science when you take it for an art for

a better situation of men but you can also empower men with your science for example i'm thinking dan said tomic energy it's a one hand side you can use atomic energy g. for lightning for warming and so on and also you can use atomic energy in a very negative it's only because you're right that on the other hand there's that such thing as for example poisonous gas developed by scientists or for example working on cyber organisms on their artificial intelligence well there is a question on whether such research is moral or immoral and i would say it's not a question search to moral issues it's only what we would like to reach with it because people or lists is assigned this interesting to investigate new fields and senate we see a pretty cation next problem which is. sin. makes civilly

dacian in which sense as this investigation is going so there are no areas in modern science from your point of view that are any concerning for here for from the moral point of view now to say i want to know we've resolved sometimes. science is misused we have a lot of moral issues and we have to fight against such misuses you are so concerned about the morality in science because your you were a doctor yourself you're a medical scientist itself is it because of your background that you're so much interested in this moral aspect and i will it seem it is seen as a typical area where you have both fight share if it's a one hand side you have your natural scientist technical scientist in saying you have see human being and i tell you frankly you can create only beijing when you

can see the team is him. before the n.p.t. we see each phase was his destiny and of his science is what your health you have in your hands. assisting you in treating patients well you know this problem in medicine that the so-called god complex that some some doctors especially her surgeons start getting this god complex they feel feel themselves more important that i didn't do that as they're doing something instead of god helping god is this moral or immoral. in the way is to me so it's own person when he feels himself as a god have never been afraid that you start feeling that when you are now because of this strongly believed we have to serve men and all what i'm doing is in service of seeing men in his condition is. as

a heart surgeon i help him adore would come failure on a. military or a coronary heart disease but it's a service to the men and it's very very dangerous situation when as scientists fee himself is some sort of a god because any did yeah but it's not my taste and i see we have to fight against sea because when somebody is going to feel himself as a god then he thinks it he's making new career options and when he's making new creations and you have immediately chinook used so that he starts to empower other people. as a matter of faith you said it's not your choice and not your taste who is eligible to become a member of your academy what is it is there some strict criteria for who can be accepted members know we have very strict criteria we have

a nomination comment did praise and we have fifteen hundred members and we selecting scientists mostly by a recommendation from other colleagues. checked and our quality in normandy age such as good said we had over the last years seven lower price we know and one paul because could pope joint arsis cut in are not his pope and we have really a high standard scene selecting our people. here have more scientists or more artists as members they carry more and more so if we have a sprig balance we have seven calluses and chaos of. is comprised is seeing a lot of very famous artists in music in painting in boy three in drama and you. russian artist you have new york and yeah we have

russian art is. separate of sick a to me of art so mr terry taylor is one of our members he's a member i don't listen what are the problems maybe the problem of questions facing europe today the burning issues that scientists and artists from your point of view may and should solve together and i would to say main burning question is that we have for with us in europe quite severe problems because we lost a vision tolbert york we have over administration we have an overruling of. we have. too many laws and so on which is shortening the freedom of the people and especially now we've seen a new situation that we have why difficult is we it's all our banks makes the whole

situation much more difficult says the president of the european academy of sciences and parts felix unger spotlight will be back shortly after a break so stay with us and r.t. . when an uncomfortable question leads to a grave accusation the world sues moore's you know fog. the president who isn't supposed to hide anything. worth someone asking him why do you make a secret of it when the powers to be suppress the voice of those who think different culture when you get experiencing very serious problems off of the saakashvili government came to power in two thousand and three but if you will that was when the problems began piling up. interviews were now off limits to our

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back to spotlight on al gore not been just to remind you that my guest in the studio today is the president of the european academy of sciences and arts felix unger. is the owner and hugh just mentioned. when talking about european problems you mentioned the main problem being the over ruling of the european countries and there which is as you just said depriving people of basic freedoms and liberties and so on how could scientists. and artists help to solve this problem i mean because this is this is a problem of management not of artistic approach to it as it was it's indeed severe problem of management but it's not a technical i speak to take in account it's also

a visionary aspect and when you're losing vision where you are going you would like to go very you would like to see your country in twenty fifteen years then you are lost. you can only build up a new generation new whole new phase when you have a complete new vision to talk with europe ok more question about your academy one of the founders of your academy was also in the cardinal francis kidney cancer now another founding father is president of the catholic university of i start the new color sloop because it's right well this it all mean that christianity the religion still has a very active role to play in the your appeal european intellectual life today the first and all i would seize it we are all standing on this across in europe and europe is to be understood we are christian religion gc's also

military in russia to. part of christianity and don't forget we in theory did form christianity to think first. liberty. freedom and secondly see dignity of men into also as a most increase. in sindh when you're looking around saying you see how difficult. it is as a state in as a continent to speak and see dignity of men well as far as i know from the history of the twentieth and especially nineteenth century. scientists were religious people they were believers and this made life pretty hard for them would you say that modern scientists are still pretty religious people and real believers that when you really when you're making deep science and when you especially medicine

when you're going very deep insight senussi is it or is a marvelous creation in sin we are most the reserve which you're starting to my whole creation. so would you say that the belief in god that scientists have is different from the belief which are ordinary people have i mean no another decatur people. believe is all this is seeming to believe to is structured. in entity where we derive our way views into where we have finally our salvation so there is no such issue today as sort of a rivalry between religion and science at this page and this turn now i mean i would really count your are all really it's first of all face is something very personal over think what you're doing in your heart in your home and

i have to repeat myself you're starting to be more religious when you're really deep into science or well here you're absolutely right i've talked to a couple of russian russian nuclear scientists academicians and they and they said that that religion can even help modern science has it true do you believe religion . it's a very difficult to answer properly your question but i would say it's not bad when you have your own face in vain you look a little bit too for example dog or spring dog or spree inside says so many fantastic furred standing inside said you can see that it's all seeing verts for in turn on the life and it recalls me to people's when he was.

asking. are you going in he said where should i go you hear or see down there life and he says. we have to keep in mind so it's also it's way late today. well then what about the role of state in in science should should state be supporting science fully we should science be sort of autonomy us from the state never had a vision it's a very difficult question but i would see the science must be normal but it must be funded from just aids a problem is when science is only funded by industry because then you have reserve good science into what we need is a good basic science and where we are again coming to your first question where you have to re ask yourself if it's more coming to surveil you well the reason i was

asking about the state support is one of the biggest support that there that science has is we see in the united states and this is one of the reasons reasons for which scientists from all over the world always look at the states as a place where they can go to get better support better large trees better and better equipment and so one so is this problem of brain drain. really serious for europe and do you consider brain drain a problem at all where a scientist says it is a man of men of the world i would say it's a united states is it myra brew into doing research and some weeks ago it's ok to speak to people from harvard university and i was really a very much. to learn city here for the medical school sixty one billion dollars away labor and we're coming also to caught on me images seem we have it's

a one hand side we have a fantastic wizard medical research into your might it states and send we have on the other hand side a very lousy poor vision of some medical service and ali so normal standard is not very brief staking is european science really competitive with the united states today and i would say partially yes see it depending because to the people in the don't forget we have for example from germany we have first some lower price wieners why not it's a we have first to support people who are keeping able to make good research and cheats is our main question but the brain drain is something very very. sad and i am also a victim of a brain dream that my younger son remained in sicily common really well he went

there to study it is stay there and he stayed here because it is the option to possibilities in research have been much based in country well let's hear more on this now from spotlight. it's estimated that at least eighty thousand scientists and the great from russia in the early one nine hundred ninety s. only collapse of the u.s.s.r. the painful truth from state run to market economy. let the signs be in on the financed the exit this was a blow to a nation used to taking pride in its scientific achievements like putin the first man into space in two thousand and nine president medvedev announced the creation of the innovation center in the town of school on the outskirts of moscow the project has been dubbed the russian silicon valley and it's meant to attract both russian and foreign scientists and high tech firms which will be exempt from paying

taxes while the school in the vacation hop has yet to be developed the most popular destination for scientists from all over the world the u.s. has recently been seen by rivers brain drain that's one foreign scientists choose to return to their homeland meanwhile many in the scientific community tend to take the issue philosophically arguing that the migration of scientists is no more than a reflection of today's grewal belies the world. do nation states still important in europe will these still be important twenty first century or is europe moving towards federalization are we moving towards the united states of europe something that. you know i would say first of all we need unification sets a clear but. i would say it's a role of sustained it is a very very important to support to from research and i think.

it is and founded and we need much more funds because of funds is a good in wasted money this is a future for our grandchildren. one of the problems that exists in science and you mention is that one of your interviews that i read is the problems of into disciplinary dialogue well i mean that there that the enormous complexity of each given science to sell is so today that that that that that that people for the scientists find it difficult to communicate is it true to stall because when you don't really into this serious in the everybody speaks in his own language and send you in a situation where you can't understand the one so in modern sciences and is one of our take this in so i mean to be into disappeared nehring and out of this we have to understand a new type of her university we created

a new university which is rukh inc complete get from sector zero and to building bridges between two different scientists invent just before i told you something from my younger son he's freaking in an area which is so high sophisticated technical engine mirroring and aunts are so hand side a little bit designing and so in computing and see this is what is not part in the classical university and therefore to future we have to address the sectoral sciences thank you thank you very much and fortunately we run out of time and just a reminder that my guest today was the president of the european academy of sciences an arts field it's going to thank you saturday with us and there that's it for now from all of us here if you want to have your say spotlight just drop me a line and we'll be back with more first and columns of what's going on in and outside russia until then stay on r.t.

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