clear program. and occupy activists planned their largest gathering to date think of petre concrete capitol hill grows among americans with no prospects for months since the first protest grew into a nationwide predominant. for it's not just the economy that's in trouble in europe but signs as well as we reveal in our interview show spotlight that's coming up next. hello again a walk into spotlight big interview show on our stage time now we are going to play my guest on the program felix unger european science is facing hard times as the recession goes on the unemployment rises and europe's qualified population scapes

to the new world several hundred thousand scientists engineers and graduate students fled to the united states during the last decade or so is america really the future of european science while the brain drain can and will be stopped we're asking the president of the european academy of sciences and hard the prominent cardiac surgeon and a man who treats science as an art felix unger. alex winder is considered one of the world's most competent cardiac surgeons pioneered an artificial heart design in europe and was the first european to land planted in tokyo much more than two decades ago dr created the european academy of sciences and arts it has developed into a global think tank on ethical and scientific values that brings together intellectual elite from all over the world.

are welcome to the show thank you thank you very much i love coming well first of all you want academy called both the academy of sciences and academy of arts well for example in russia this sounds strange because we have the russian academy of sciences and the russian academy of arts and has been. for this what for centuries to be like that in many other countries so why many combining. is it an attempt to re and i these two men if the stations of human spirit. thank you very much for the very interesting question we seal is obvious when we see these scientists and art is one entity it's. also a part of the sciences we hear a lot of bird how we did take it's all to say mission isn't inquiry and therefore we see says scientists in odds is in one hundred the whole be link

of thinking well it's only for it's only right for medicine i think because medicine isn't a science medicine is art isn't it's more of the are you are there is true. and now here in the middle of our discussion we are saying scientists are coming from our relation stu's in each into human relations and relation to spiritual sinks and when we are taking so relation that we see nature in the content we have immediately sinuiju scientists because science is when we have see into the human relations here we have seen historic science is a language sciences we have we have for us of course made is seen him to call a-g. then when we are taking says spiritual sinks in we have loss of fees or arts and so religions and teachers say how so for the whole scientists and to main think is simin men has to stand in tamil and when became of men sin l.

it weighed being our doing is and not to the human being just listen one of the principles of your academy and i found it in the internet is i quote ethical principles in scientific discussions are fundamental no one topic is discussed absolutely but its its impact on cultural ethical and consensual values and developments are. always considered and quit well there are i would say that without scientific achievements people wouldn't have created most of the weaponry that that killed millions in the twentieth century so do you think that science is capable to exist as an itty bitty devoid of moral values or is there something that can assure that scientific research doesn't culture addict

well the moral values and i would say all want to detecting all will do a constructing you can in use in both ways you know a good way and in the beds way when you for example when you're taking a flute in account you can take a flute or for playing commander for music and you can also take a flute to kill somebody else you have the eye and this is a moral issue how we. are knowledge of science in. the human way loose for the bit of say human so so what you're saying that there is no such thing as immoral science or immoral research even if someone thought we're working on poisons this may be immoral maybe immoral let's depend on the use now i books is science itself has no value you have facts and send it's coming see interpretation when you're going to interpret it to for i

miss you and you have barbara and so what we are facing cement think is said to you have to use your science when you take it for an art for a better situation of men but you can also empower men with your science for example i'm thinking comic energy it's one hand you can use an atomic energy g for lightning for warming and so on and also you can use atomic energy in a very negative it's only because you're a bit on the other. and there's such thing as for example poisonous gas developed by scientists or for example working on cyber organisms on their artificial intelligence well there is a question on whether such research is moral or immoral and i would say it's not a question of certain moral issues it's only what we would like to reach with it because people or lists is assigned this interesting to investigate new fields

and senate. cation next problem which is sin. make civilly day in which sense is this investigation is going so there are no areas in modern science from your point of view that are any concerning for here for from the moral point of view now to say i would say you know we've resolved sometimes. science is misused we have a lot of moral issues and we have to fight against such misuses you were so concerned about the morality in science because your you were a doctor yourself you're a medical scientist itself is it because of your background that you're so much interested in this war aspect now i seem it is seen as a typical area where you have both sides share faith one hand side you have your

natural scientists technical scientists in saying you have see human being and i tell you frankly you can read only. when you can see. is him. the full entity we see each phase with his destiny and of his science is what your health you have in your hands. assisting you in treating patients well you know this problem in medicine there. the so-called god complex that some said doctors especially her surgeons start getting this god complex they feel feel themselves more important than god or don't do that as they're doing something instead of god helping god is this moral or immoral. in the way is to me so it's own person when he feels himself as a god i have never been afraid that you start feeling that when you are now right because of this strongly believe chad we have to serve men and all what i'm doing

is in servicing men in his condition is a heart surgeon to help him what come. realty a coronary heart disease but it's a service to the men and it's a very very dangerous situation when scientists fee himself is some sort of a god because any do yeah but it's not my taste and i see we have to fight against sea because when somebody is going to feel himself as a god then he thinks it he's making new career options and when he's making new creations and you have the media teach a new q.'s so that he starts to empower other people. as a matter of fact you said it's not your choice and not your taste who is eligible

to become a member of your academy what is it is there some strict criteria for who can be accepted members you know we have very strict criteria we have a nomination comment did praise and we have fifteen hundred members and we selecting scientists mostly by a recommendation from arvo colleagues. chick and our quality in normandy age such as good said we had over the last years seven lower price we. and one poll because. four per joint are says cut in our noise pope and we have really high standards in selecting our people and. you have more scientists or more artists as members of the character more so if we have a sprig balance we have seven classes and class of arts is comprised

of seeing a lot of very famous artists in music in painting in boy three in any russian artist you have new york at the hour we have russian art is. separate enough to carry me of art so mr terry dell is one of our members he is of gotta listen what are the problems maybe the problem questions facing europe today the burning issues that scientists and artists from your point of view may and should solve together and i would to say member one in question is that we have for with in europe quite severe problems because we lost a vision tolbert york we have over administration we have an overruling of our. people who we have. too many laws and so on which is

shortening the freedom of the people and especially now we've seen a new situation so we have why difficult is waves of banks makes the whole situation much more difficult says the president of the european academy of sciences and cards felix spotlight will be back shortly after a brain cell stay with half an hour to go. when an uncomfortable question leads to a grave accusation the world sues moore's you know fog. the president who isn't supposed to hide anything. or it's someone asking him why do you make a secret out that when the powers to be suppress the voice of those who think different or when you get experiencing very serious problems off of the saakashvili

government came to power in two thousand and three but it will that was when the problems began piling up. interviews were now off limits to our journalists they were all from beason up and humiliated in public and one of the attempt to protect property puts life in real danger is that we have been deprived of the only means of earning a living and i have the gall to originals of all the papers that the at the little ice the ownership rights on the basis of companies freedom becomes just a stage prop wealthy british style stock. that's not on the. market why not. come to. find out what's really happening to the global economy

with max cause or for a no holds barred look at the global financial headlines tune in to kaiser report on our. welcome back to spotlight an amalgam of in just a reminder that my guest in the studio today is the president of the european academy of sciences and arts felix unger. mr orgreave hugh just mentioned when talking about european problems you mentioned the main problem being the over ruling of the european countries and which is as you just said depriving people of basic freedoms and liberties and so on how could scientists. and artists help to solve this problem i mean because because this is this is a problem of management not of artistic approach to it as it was it's indeed

severe problem of management but it's not a technical i speak to take in a calm it's also visionary aspect and when you're losing vision where you're going . you would like to go very you would like to see your country in twenty fifteen years then you are lost. you can only build up a new generation new whole new phase when you have a complete new vision to talk with europe ok more question about your academy one of the founders of your academy was austrian cardinal francis kidney cancer now another founding fathers president of the catholic university of i start. it's right well there's it all mean that christianity the religion still has a very active role to play in the your appeal european intellectual life today look

first at all i would seize it we are all standing on this across in europe and europe is to be understood the. christian religion gc's of or really in russia too. part of christianity and don't. forget we inherited from christianity two things first. the liberty. freedom and secondly dignity of men into those as in most in creedence and when you're looking around when you see how difficult. it is as a state in our continent to speak and see dignity of men well as far as i know from history of the twentieth and especially nineteenth century. scientists were religious people they were believers and this made life pretty hard for them would

you say that modern scientists are still pretty religious people and real believers that when you really when you're making deep science and when you especially medicine when you're going very deep inside senussi is it or is a marvelous creation in sin we are most the reserve which you're starting to admire so hold creation. so would you say that the belief in god that scientists have is different from the belief which are ordinary people have i mean well another decatur people. believe is all this is seeming to believe to is structured. in entity where we derive our way views into where we have finally our salvation so there is no such issue today as sort of a rivalry between religion and science at this stage in this turn now i mean i

would really come to be or are all really it's first of all face is something very personal think what you're doing in your heart in your home and it is i have to repeat myself you're starting to be more. really just when you really deep into science as well here you're absolutely right i've talked to a couple of russian russian nuclear scientists academicians and they and they said that that religion can even help modern science has a true do you believe religion. it's a very difficult to answer properly your question but i would say it's not bad when you have your own face in when you look a little bit too. for example dog or spring dog or spree inside says so many fantastic furred standing inside said you can see that it's all seeing for

in turn your life and it recalls me to pit bulls when he was. asking. are you going in he said where should i go you hear or see down the life and he says. we have to keep in mind so it's also it's way late today. well then what about the role of state in in science should should states be supporting science fully we should science be sort of autonomy us from the state never had a vision it's a very difficult question but i would see the science must be out of norma's but it must be funded from this stage the problem is when science is only funded by industry because you have researched good science into what we need is

a good basic science and where we are again coming to your first question where you have to re ask yourself if it's more coming your way you well the reason i was asking about the state support is one of the biggest support that they're there that science has is we see in the united states and this is one of the reasons reasons for which scientists from all over the world always look at the states as a place where they can go to get better support better large trees better and better equipment and so one so is this problem of brain drain. really serious for europe and do you consider brain drain a problem at all where a scientist is a man of man of the world i would say it's a united states is it myra brewin doing research and some weeks ago it's ok to speak to people from harvard university and i was really very

much. to have for the medical school sixty one billion dollars away liver and we are coming. to me images seem we have it's a one hand side we have a fantastic medical research into your might it states and send we have on the other hand side a very lousy provision of some medical services not only normal standard is not very brisk taking his european science really competitive with the united states today now i would say partially yes depending because to the people in the don't forget we have for example from germany with first some lower price wieners why not it's a we have first to support people who are keeping able to make good research and she says our main question but the brain drain is something very very.

set in that i'm also a victim of a brain dream that my younger son remained in sicily common really well he went there to study it in stay there and he stayed there because the option to possibilities in research have been much best in country well let's hear more on this now from spotlight. it's estimated that at least eighty thousand scientists and the great from russia in the early one nine hundred ninety s. the collapse of the u.s.s.r. the thing intrusion on state run the market economy. let the signs be in on the financed the exit this was a blow to a nation used to taking pride in its scientific achievements like putin the first man into space in two thousand and nine president medvedev announced the creation of the innovation center in the town of school on the outskirts of moscow the

project has been dubbed the russian silicon valley and it's meant to attract both russian and foreign scientists and high tech firms which will be exempt from paying taxes while the school in the heart has yet to be developed the most popular destination for scientists from all over the world the u.s. has recently been seen by reverse brain drain that's when foreign scientists choose to return to their homelands meanwhile many in the scientific community tend to take the philosophically arguing that the migration of scientists is no more than the reflection of today's world belies the world. nation states still important in europe bullies to be important twenty first century or is europe moving towards federalization are we moving towards the united states of europe something that you know i would say first of all we need unification say it's

a clear but. i would say it's a role of just a just a very very important to support to from research and i think. is founded and we need much more funds because of funds is a good in wasted money this is a future for our grandchildren. one of the problems that exists in science and you mention is that one of your interviews i read is the problems of into disciplinary dialogue well i mean that there that the enormous complexity of each given science to sell is so today that that that people for the scientists find it difficult to communicate the challenge is it true to stall because when you don't group into this serious in everybody speaks in his own language and send you in a situation where you can't understand the one so modern sciences and is one of

our tech this in so i mean to be into disappeared nehring and out of this we have to understand a new type of a university we created a new university which is rick inc complete get from sic pro and to building bridges between two different scientists invent just before i told you something from my younger son he's freaking in an area which is a sophisticated technical engine nearing and arms are so hand side they're little bit designing and so in computing and see this is what it's not part in the classical university and therefore to future we have to address sectoral sciences thank you thank you very much fortunately we run out of time and just a reminder that my guest today was the president of the european academy of sciences an arts feel it's time to thank you sir for being with us and that's it

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