in the last decade alone so is america really that future of european science while the brain drain can and will be stopped for asking the president of the european academy of sciences and hard a prominent cardiac surgeon and a man who treats science as an art felix unger. alex wonder is considered one of the world's most competent cardiac surgeons who pioneered an artificial heart design in europe and was the first european to implant it into human more than two decades ago dr linda created the european academy of sciences and arts it has developed into a global think tank on ethical and scientific values that brings together international leaders from all over the world. are welcome to the show thank you thank you very much i love coming well first of all you want a can of me is called both the academy of sciences and academy of arts well for

example in russia this sounds strange because we have the russian academy of sciences and the russian academy of arts and has been. for this what well for for centuries to be like that in many other countries so why is your county combining both or is it an attempt to re and i these two men if the stations of human spirit . thank you very much for very interesting question we see obvious when we see scientists in art is one entity it's. also popped off to science it's a how we. heard how we did take it's all just say make an inquiry and jeff or we see says scientists in odds is in one entity in the whole building of our thinking well it's only for it's only right for medicine i think because many. that isn't

a science medicine is art isn't it's more of an r. you were there is true. and now here in the middle of our discussion we are seeing scientists are coming from our relations stews in the church into human relations and relation to spiritual sinks and when we are taking so relation that we see nature in the content we have immediately sinuiju scientists to be called science is when we have see into the human relations here we have so historic science is a language sciences we have we have for us of course maybe seen imp's ecology then when we are taking says spiritual sinks in we have philosophies or odds and so religions and teachers say how so for the whole scientists and to mean think is simin men has to stand in tamil and when became of men say india elie wade being our doing is an art to the human be interesting

listen one of the principles of your academy and i found it in the internet is i quote ethical principles in scientific discussions are fundamental no one topic is discussed absolutely but it's its impact on cultural ethical and consensual values and developments are always considered and quit well. i would say that without scientific achievements people wouldn't have created most of the weaponry that they have killed millions in the twentieth century so do you think that science is capable to exist as an itty bitty devoid of moral values or is there something that can assure that scientific research doesn't contradict well the moral values and i would see all want to detecting all will do a constructing you can in use in both why. yes you know good way and in the beds

way when you for example when you're taking care flute in account you can take a flute or for playing commander for music and you can also take a flute to kill somebody else you have the guy is this is a moral issue how we. are knowledge our scientists our. human way loose for that bit of sea human so so what you're saying that there is no such thing as immoral science or immoral research even even if someone thought what we can on poisons this may be moral maybe immoral it's depends on the it's now i books is science itself has no value you have fact and send it's coming see interpretation when you're going to interpret did to for a misuse change you have bob and so what we are facing cement think is said to you have to use your science when you take it for an art for

a better situation of men but you can also empower men with your science for example i'm thinking dan said tomic energy it's a one hand side you can use an atomic energy g for lightning for warming and so on and also you can use atomic energy in a very negative it's only because you write that on the other hand there's that such thing as for example poisonous gas developed by scientists or for example working on cyber organisms on their artificial intelligence well there is a question on whether such research is moral or immoral and i would say it's not a question search to moral issues it's only what we would like to reach with it because people or lists is assigned this interesting to investigate new fields and senate we see a pretty cation. cynic's problem which is sin. makes it really

days in which sense is this investigation is going so there are no areas in modern science from your point of view that are any concerning for here for from the moral point of view now say i want to know we've resolved sometimes. science is misused we have a lot of moral issues and we have to fight against such misuses you were so concerned about the morality in science because your you were a doctor yourself you're a medical scientist itself is it because of your background that you're so much interested in this morass now i will it seem it is seen as a typical area where you have both five share feeds or one hand side you have your natural scientist technical scientist in saying you have see human being and i tell

you frankly you can read only. when you can see the team is in. the full entity we see each phase was his destiny and of his science is what your health you have in your hand. assisting you in treating patients well you know this problem in medicine and the so-called god complex that some some doctors especially her surgeons start getting this god complex they feel feel themselves more important than god or don't do that as they're doing something instead of god helping god is this moral or immoral. in the way is to me so so in person when he feels himself as a god had never been afraid that you start feeling that when you are now right because of this strongly believed we have to serve men and all what i'm doing is in servicing. men in his condition is

a heart surgeon i help him adore would come failure on a. military or a coronary heart disease but it's a service to the men and it's a very very dangerous situation when signing this fee himself is some sort of forgot because any did yeah but it's not my taste and i see we have to fight against sea because when somebody is going to feel himself as a god then he thinks it he's making new career sions and when he's making new creations and you have immediately chinook used so that he starts to empower other people. as a matter of fact you said it's not your choice and not your taste who is eligible to become a member of your academy what is it is there some strict criteria for who can be accepted members you know we have very strict criteria we have

a nomination comment did praise and we have over fifteen hundred members and we selecting scientists mostly by a recommendation from other colleagues. checked and our quality in nominee agencies such as good said we had over the last years seven know a prize winner and one poll because could. joint arsis cut in our knowledge is pope and we have really high standards in selecting our people. here have more scientists or more artists as members of the character more so if we have a sprig balance we have seven classes and class of is comprised is seeing a lot of very famous artists in music in painting. in

boyd three any russian artists you have new york and yeah we have russia not is. separated of sick a to me of mr terry taylor is one of our members he is a member gotta listen what are the problems maybe the problem questions facing here today the burning issues that scientists and artists from your point of view may and should solve together and i will to say main burning question is that we have for with in europe quite severe problems because we lost the vision to what your we have been over administration we have been overruling of. we have. too many laws and so on which is shortening the freedom of the people and especially now we've seen a new situation that we have quite difficult weights of banks makes the whole

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but if you enter this time. the mystery of supernatural creatures. shaman of siberia. welcome back to spotlight an amalgam of in just a reminder that my guest in the studio today is the president of the european academy of sciences and arts felix unger. mr orgreave hugh just mentioned when talking about european problems you mentioned the main problem being the over ruling of the european countries and there which is as you just said depriving people of basic freedoms and liberties and so on how could scientists.

and artists help to solve this problem i mean because because this is a this is a problem of management not of artistic approach to it as it was it's indeed severe problem of management but it's not a technical i speak to take in account it's also a visionary aspect and when you're losing vision where you are going. you would like to go very you would like to see your country in twenty fifteen years then you are lost. you can only build up a new generation new whole new phase when you have a complete new vision to talk with europe ok more question about your academy one of the founders of your academy was also in the cardinal francis kidney cancer now another founding father is president of the catholic university of i start a new collar sloop called it's right well there's it all mean that christianity the

religion still has a very active role to play in the your appeal european intellectual life today look first at all i will tease it we are all standing on this across in europe and europe is to be understood we are christian religion gc's also millet in russia too. part of christianity. and don't forget we in theory did form christianity to think first of all the liberty. freedom and secondly see dignity of men into those are the most in credence and when you're looking around and you see how difficult. it is as a state in as a continent to speak and see dignity of men well as far as i know from history of the twentieth and especially nineteenth century. scientists were religious people

they were believers and this made life pretty hard for them would you say that modern scientists are still pretty religious people and real believers that when you really when you're making deep science and when you especially made a scene when you're going very deep inside senussi is it or is a marvelous creation in sin we are most the reserve you're starting to my whole creation. so would you say that the belief in god that scientists have is different from the belief which are ordinary people have i mean well another decatur people. belief is all to see me to believe to is structured in in entity where we derive our way views into where we have finally our salvation so there is no such

issue today as sort of a rivalry between religion and science at this page and this turn now i mean i would really come to be or are all really it's first of all face is something very a person over think what you're doing in your heart in your home and it is i have to repeat myself you're starting to be. more really just when you really get deep into science as well here you're absolutely right i've talked to a couple of russian russian nuclear scientists academicians and they and they said that that religion can even help modern science has it true do you believe religion . it's a very difficult to answer properly your question but i would say it's not bad when you have your own face in vain you look a little bit too for example dog or spring dargo or spree inside says so many

fantastic furred standing inside said you can see that it's all seemed. for in on the life and it recalls me to beatles when he was. asking. are you going in he said where should i go your. cd on the life and he says. we have to keep in mind souls from roots way late today. well then what about the role of state in in science should should state be supporting science fully we should science be sort of autonomy us from the state never had a vision it's a very difficult question but i would see the science must be out of norma's but it must be funded from this stage the problem is when science is only funded

by industry because then you have to reserve good science into what we need is a good basic science and where we are again coming to your first question where you have to re ask yourself if it's more coming to surveil you well the reason i was asking about the state support is one of the biggest support that they're there that science has is there we see in the united states and this is one of the reasons reasons for which scientists from all over the world always look at the states as a place where they can go to get better support better wire trees better and better equipment and so one so is this problem of brain drain. really serious for europe and do you consider brain drain a problem at all where a scientist says it is a man of men of the world i would say see united states is it myra brew into doing

research and some weeks ago it's ok to speak to people from harvard university and i was really very much. to learn city here for the medical school sixty one billion dollars away labor and we're coming also to the carter me images seem we have it's a one hand side we have a fantastic wizard medical research into your might it stage and send we have on the other hand side a very lousy poor vision of some medical service and nothing so normal standard is not very brisk taking is european science really competitive with the united states today now i would say partially yes see it depending because to the people in the don't forget we have for example from germany where first some lower price wieners why not it's a we have further to support people who are keeping able to make good research and

she says our main question but the brain drain is something very very. sad and i'm also a victim of a brain dream that my younger son remained in sicily common really well he went there to study it is there and he stayed here because the option to possibilities in research have been much based in country well let's hear more on this now from spotlight. it's estimated that at least eighty thousand scientists and the great it from russia in the one thousand nine days following the collapse of biggie were ceasar the painful truth from state run to market economy. let the signs be in on the financed the exit this was a blow to a nation used to taking pride in its scientific achievements like putin the first man into space in two thousand and nine president medvedev announced the creation

of the innovation center in the town of school on the outskirts of moscow the project has been dubbed the russian silicon valley and it's meant to attract both russian and foreign scientists and high tech firms which will be exempt from paying taxes while the school in the vacation hop has yet to be developed the most popular destination for scientists from all over the world the u.s. has recently been seen by reverse brain drain that's when foreign scientists choose to return to their homeland meanwhile many in the scientific community tend to take the issue philosophically arguing that the migration of scientists is no more than a reflection of today's world belies the world. do nation states still important in europe will these still be important twenty first century or is europe moving towards federalization are we moving towards the united states of europe

something that. you know i would say first of all we need unification sets a clear but. i would say it's a role of sustained it is a very very important to support to from research and i think. it is founded and we need much more funds because of funds is a good in wasted money this is a future for our grandchildren. one of the problems that exists in science and you mention is the one of your interviews that i read is the problems of into disciplinary dialogue well i mean that that that the enormous complexity of each given science to sell is so today that that that people from the scientists find it difficult to communicate with each other is it true to stall because when you don't really into this serious in the everybody speaks in his own language and send you

a new situation where you come to understand the one so in modern sciences and is one of our take this into i mean to be into distribute nehring and out of this we have to understand a new type of a university we created a new university which is rick inc complete get from sector zero and to building bridges between two different scientists invent just before i told you something from my younger son he's freaking in an area which is so high sophisticated technical engine nearing and arms are so hand side l.o.l. be designing and say in computing and see this is what is not part in a classical university and for their future we have to address the sectoral sciences thank you thank you very much and fortunately we run out of time and just

to remind you that my guest today was the president of the european academy of sciences an arts field it's going to thank you sir for being with us and there that's it for now from all of us here if you want to tell us a spotlight just drop me a line we'll be back with more than collins thought of what's going on outside russia until then today on our team and taking thanking the target.

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now it's six pm here in the russian capital four pm in damascus the u.n. security council is set to mull over a new russian draft resolution aimed at ending syria's violence moscow says the text is balanced calling on all sides to lay down arms in syria itself two lawmakers have turned their backs on the regime claiming the deadly crackdown on the opposition in the flashpoint city of homes is escalating or to sarah firth is there. it's been less than a month since we were last in holmes in that time the situation's become even more dangerous and the pressure on the people living here. were people numbers many of the tragic death of four engine this jackie a in homes recently served in yet another remind the harrowing the precarious situation that people in the city are in god we didn't get a good view of that that's you know.