your there country has started a covert terror operation. was no turning back for thousands of corporate occupy protesters in america were preparing to descend on congress as it returns from the holidays four months on and there's no sign of backing down from their demand about the richest one percent stops making money at everyone else's expense. it's not just money that europe's running short of right now it's also scientists as spotlight on covers next here in our city. hello again a walk into spotlight big interview show on our stage time now during our band play my guest on the program felix unger european science is facing hard times as the recession goes on the unemployment rises and europe's qualified population as capes

to the new world several hundred thousand scientists engineers and graduate students fled to the united states during the last decade so is america really the future of european science while the brain drain can and will be stopped asking the president of the european academy of sciences and our prominent carr get surgeon and a man who treats science as an art felix unger. alex whom there is considered one of the world's most competent cardiac surgeons who pioneered an artificial heart design in europe and was the first european turn planted into human more than two decades ago dr created the european academy of sciences and arts it has developed into a global think tank on ethical and scientific values that brings together intellectual elite from all over the world.

are welcome to the show thank you thank you very much i love coming well first of all you want a can of me as called both the academy of sciences and the cademy of arts well for example in russia this sounds strange because we have the russian academy of sciences and the russian academy of arts and has been. for this what a century it's been like that in many other countries so why is your company combining both is it an attempt to re and i these two men infestations of human spirit. thank you very much for very interesting question we see this obvious that we see scientists and art is one entity it's. also a part of the sciences it's a how we. develop our bird how we did dick it's all to say mission isn't inquiry and therefore we seize as scientists in arts is in.

the hold be link of our thinking well it's only for it's only right for medicine i think because medicine isn't a science medicine is art isn't it's more of that are you are there is true. and now here in the middle of our discussion we're seeing scientists are coming from our relation stu's in the church into human relations and relation to spiritual sinks and when we are taking so relation that we see nature in the content we have immediately sinuiju scientists to be called sciences when we have see into the human relations here we have seen historic scientists in language sciences we have we have for us of course made is seen him to call g.-d. then when we are taking says spiritual sinks and we have philosophies the arts and so religions and teaches a house of the whole sign says and the main think is simin men has to stand in

tamil and when became of men sin l. it weighed being our doing is and not to the human be interesting listen one of the principles of your academy and i found it in the internet is i quote ethical principles in scientific discussions are fundamental no one topic is discussed absolutely but it's its impact on cultural ethical and consensual values and developments. our always considered end quote well there are i would say that without scientific achievements people wouldn't have created most of the weaponry that that killed millions in the twentieth century so do you think that science is capable to exist as an itty bitty devoid of moral values or is there something that can assure that scientific research

doesn't culture addict well the moral values and i would say all want to detecting all what do you are constructing you can in use in both ways you know a good way and in the beds way when you for example when you're taking care flute in account you can take a flute or for playing before music and you can also take a flute to kill somebody else you have the right this is a moral issue how we. are knowledge our scientists our. human way loose for that bit of sea human so so what you're saying that there is no such thing as a moral science or immoral research even if someone thought we're working on poisons this may be moral maybe immoral it's depends on the use now i books is science itself has no value you have facts and send it's coming so interpretation when you're going to interpret it to for i miss you and you have barbara and so

what we are facing cement think is said to you have to use your science when you take it for an art for a better situation of men but you can also empower men with your science for example i'm thinking comic energy it's the one hand you can use atomic energy g. for lightning for warming and so on and also you can use atomic energy in a very negative it's only because you're right that. the other hand there's such thing as for example poisonous gas developed by scientists or for example working on cyber organisms on artificial intelligence well there is a question on whether such research is moral or immoral and i would say it's not the question certain moral issues it's only what we would like to reach with it because people or lists is assigned this interesting to investigate new fields

and senate. cation cynic's problem which is sin. makes civilly days in which sense is this investigation is going so there are no areas in modern science from your point of view that are any concerning for here for from the moral point of view now to say i would say you know we've resolved sometimes. science is misused we have a lot of moral issues and we have to fight against such misuses you are so concerned about the morality in science because your you were a doctor yourself you're a medical scientist itself is it because of your background that you're so much interested in this war aspect now i seem it is seen as a typical area where you have both sides share fit to one hand side you have your

natural scientists technical scientists in saying you have see human being and i tell you frankly you can read only. when you can see the team is in. the full entity we see each phase was his destiny and of his science is what your health you have in your hands. assisting you in treating patients well you know this problem in medicine. the so-called god complex that some said doctors especially her surgeons start getting this god complex they feel feel themselves more important that i didn't do that as they're doing something instead of god helping god is this moral or immoral. in the way is to me so so in person when he feels himself as a god i have never been afraid that you start feeling that when you are now right

because of this strongly believed we have to serve men and all what i am doing is in service of seeing men in his condition is a heart surgeon i help him adorable come failure on a. military or a coronary heart disease but it's a service to the men and it's very very dangerous situation when assigned this fee himself is some sort of a god because any do yeah but it's not my taste and i see we have to fight against sea because when somebody is going to feel himself as a god then he thinks it he's making new career sions and when he's making new creations and you have immediately chinook use so that he starts to empower other people. as a matter of fact you said it's not your choice and not your taste who is eligible

to become a member of your academy what is it is there some strict criteria for who can be accepted members know we have very strict criteria we have a nomination comment did praise and we have fifteen hundred members and we selecting scientists mostly by a recommendation from our their colleagues. check and our quality in normandy age such as good said to be had over the last years seven were prior. sweeney and one poll because. four per joint are says cut in our noise pope and we have really high standards in selecting our people and. you have more scientists or more artists as members of the character or more so if we have a sprig balance we have seven classes and class of arts is comprised of

seeing a lot of very famous artists in music in painting in boyd and the russian artists you have new york and yeah we have russia not is. bridgette of stick it to me of art so mr terry dell is one of our members he's a member gotta listen what are the problems maybe the problem questions facing europe today the burning issues that scientists and artists from your point of view may and should solve together and i will too soon member one in question is. we have for with in your quite severe problems because we lost the vision to what your we have been over administration we have been overruling of. we have. too many laws and so on which is shortening the freedom of the

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and present. mixing reality as nothingness. but if you enter this time. the mystery of supernatural will reach you. shaman of siberia. welcome back to spotlight an amalgam of in just a reminder that my guest in the studio today is the president of the european academy of sciences and arts felix unger. mr orgreave hugh just mentioned when talking about european problems you mentioned the main problem being the over ruling of the european countries and which is as you just said depriving people of

basic freedoms and liberties and sour and how could scientists. and artists help to solve this problem i mean because this is this is a problem of management not of artistic approach to it as it was it's indeed severe problem of management but it's not a technical aspect to taking a come it's also visionary aspect and when you're losing vision where you're going you would like to go very you would like to see your country in twenty fifteen years then you are lost. you can only build up a new generation new whole new phase when you have a complete new vision to talk with europe ok more question about your academy one of the founders of your academy was also in the cardinal francis kidney cancer now

another founding fathers president of the catholic university of i start a new call our sloop call it well there's it all mean that christianity the religion still has a very active role to play in the your appeal european intellectual life today look first at all i would seize it we are all standing on this across in europe and europe is to be understood. christian religion gc's of or really in russia too. part of christianity and don't. for gatewood we in theory did form christianity to think first. liberty and freedom and secondly see dignity of men into those as in most in credence and when you're looking around so when you see how difficult. it is as a state in as

a continent to speak and see dignity of men well as far as i know from history of the twentieth and especially nineteenth century. scientists were religious people they were believers and this made life pretty hard for them would you say that modern scientists are still pretty religious people and real believers when you really when you're making deep science and when you especially medicine when you're going very deep insight senussi is it or is a marvelous creation in. the reserve which you're starting to admire so hold creation. so would you say that the belief in god that scientists have is different from that belief which are ordinary people have i mean well another decatur people. believe is all this is seeming to believe to is structured to in entity where we derive

our way views into where we have finally our salvation so there is no such issue today as sort of a rivalry between religion and science at this stage of this turn now i mean i would really come to be aware already it's thirtieth of this is something very personal think what you are doing in your heart in your home and it is i have to repeat myself you are starting to be more. really just when you're really deep into science as well here you're absolutely right i've talked to a couple of russian russian nuclear scientists academicians and they and they said that that religion can even help modern science has a true i do believe religion they'll it's a very difficult to answer properly your question but i would see it's not bad when

you have your own face in vain you look a little bit too. for example dog or spring dargo or spree inside says so many fantastic ferd standing inside said you can see that it's all seeing for in on the live and did recalls me to people's when he was. asking. are you going in he said where should i go you'll hear or see down the life and he says. we have to keep in mind so it's all spirits. today. well then what about the role of state in in science should should state be supporting science fully we should science be sort of autonomy us from the state never had it was and it's a very difficult question but i would see the science must be out of norma's but it

must be founded from this stage. the problem is when science is only funded by industry because when you have researched erected science into what we need is a good basic science and where we are again coming to your first question where you have to re ask yourself if it's more coming to survey you well the reason i was asking about the state support is one of the biggest support that that there that science has is we see in the united states and this is one of the reasons reasons for which scientists from all over the world always look at the states as a place where they can go to get better support better large trees better and better equipment and so one so is this problem of brain drain really serious for europe and do you consider brain drain a problem at all where scientists is is

a man of men of the world now i would say it's a united states is it myra brewin doing research and some weeks ago it's ok sion to speak to people from harvard university and was really very much. for the medical school sixty one billion dollars away labor and we're coming also to the carter me images seem we have it's a one hand side we have a fantastic wizard medical research into your might it states and send we have on the other hand side a very lousy provision of some medical services not only normal standard is not very brisk taking is european science really competitive with the united states today now i would say partially yes see it depending because to the people in the

don't forget we have for example from germany with first some lower price wieners why not it's a we have first to stop. people who are keeping able to make good cheats is our main question but the brain drain is something very very. sad and i'm also a victim of brain drain my younger son remain in sicily com where he went there to study and he stayed because he option tend to possibilities in research have been much better. well let's hear more on this now from spotlight. it's estimated that at least eighty thousand scientists and the graded from russia in the ninety nine days following the collapse of big u.s.s.r. the painful truth from state run to market economy led to science being on the financed the exit this was a blow to

a nation used to taking pride in its scientific achievements like in the first man into space in two thousand and nine president medvedev announced the creation of the innovation center in the town of school on the outskirts of moscow the project has been dubbed the russian silicon valley and it's meant to attract both russian and foreign scientists and high tech firms which will be exempt from paying taxes while the school in the vacation hop has yet to be developed the most popular destination for scientists from all over the world the u.s. has recently been seen by reverse brain drain that's when foreign scientists choose to return to their homeland meanwhile many in the scientific community tend to take the issue philosophically arguing that the migration of scientists is no more than a reflection of today's world belies the world. do nation states still

important in europe bullies to be important twenty first century or is europe moving towards federalization are we moving towards the united states of europe something that. you know i would say first of all we need unification sits a clear but. i will ts or all of system is a very very important to support to from our research and i think there's it. and found it and we need much more funds because if funds is a good in wasted money this is a future for our grandchildren. one of the problems that exists in science and you mention is that one of your interviews that i read is the problems of into disciplinary dialogue well i mean that there that the enormous complexity of each given science to sell is so today that there that people for the scientists find it

difficult to communicate with each other is it true to stall because when you don't really into this serious in everybody speaks in his own language and send you in a situation where you can't understand the one so modern sciences and is one of our take this in so i mean to be into disappearing and out of this we have to understand a new type of a university we created a new university which is rukh inc complete get from sic pro and to building bridges between two different scientists invent just before i told you something from my younger son he's freaking in an area which is a sophisticated technical engine mirroring and aunts are so hand side a little bit designing and so in computing and see this is what is not part in the classical university and for the future we have to address the sectoral

sciences thank you thank you very much and fortunately we run out of time and just a reminder that my guest today was the president of the european academy of sciences and arts felix unger thank you sir for being with us and that's it for now from all of us here if you want to have your say spotlight just drop me a line we'll be back with more quest and columns out of what's going on in and outside russia until then today on our team and taking. the target.

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