what's your take on what's going on in the united states and how that's going to affect iceland and other countries if we go down the road of you know the sofa in the house protect ip in the sun and these these kinds of things well you know in many ways it's sort of reminds me i work a lot better than issues as well and i have followed the law development in china for example and it looks to me like if you pass this. sofa you will become just like china when it comes to you know really poor lead this nation for freedom of information so why copyrights the framers of the constitution specifically authorized copyrights in article one section eight it's it doesn't so much authorize the rights as it authorizes congress to make laws to provide for them and in fact the actual quote from the constitution is to promote the progress of science and useful arts remember that to promote the progress of

science useful arts by securing for limited times to authors and investors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries. that's from the constitution but this was to promote the progress of science and useful arts not to make people rich they were envisioning you know bill gates the giant welfare queen making fifty billion dollars in fact from a supreme court decision this year holder versus ashcroft twenty twelve this is from the dissent written by briar and alito they they said quote at least that and that this was that copyrights were for the public good that was the predominate view expressed by two or by the founders thomas jefferson for example initially expressed great uncertainty as to whether the constitution should authorize the grant of copyrights and patents at all writing that the benefit even of limited monopolies is too doubtful to warrant anything other than their suppression james madison also thought that monopolies are just like last among the greatest of new

and nuisances and government and this is these this is the supreme court are going about this. another quote from this case but he argued that jefferson that in certain cases such as copyright monopoly should be granted to serve as compensation for a benefit actually gained to the community which the holder white might otherwise with hold from public use jefferson eventually is still quoting the supreme court here jefferson eventually came to agree with madison supporting a limited conferral of monopoly rights but only as an encouragement to men to pursue ideas which may produce utility but the fact the matter is that copyrights and patents have become welfare programs for bill gates and sony they no longer promote the public good here's a back to that supreme court decision again the brier and alito wrote in twentieth century music or versus a can in one thousand nine hundred five this court says that underlying copyright is the understanding that creative work has to be encouraged and rewarded but private motivation must also must ultimately serve the cause of promoting broad

public availability of literature music in the other arts. he also said and he and sony corp purses america universal city studios in ninety four the court this court the supreme court speaking of both copyrights and patents points out that the monopoly privileges that congress be authorized are not primarily designed to provide a special private benefit rather the limited grant is a means by which aren't are important public purpose may be achieved finally in the supreme court decision again the supreme court writing about copyrights they said congress has expressed similar views in congressional reports on copyright legislation does for example in one thousand nine hundred two a house report says copyrights are to promote the progress of science in the useful arts the clause says nothing about any desire or purpose to secure to the author earn venturi is natural right to his property similarly they wrote the congressional authors of the landmark in one thousand zero nine copyright act this is the first major copyright law in its wrote the constitution provides that

congress shall have the power to grant copyrights not primarily for the benefit of the author but because the policy is believed to be for the benefit of a great body of people in that it will stimulate it it will stimulate writing and invention to give some bonus to authors and inventors there is a legitimate debate on how to stop piracy and the length of time that copyrights and patents should should last for example i asked for the publisher of several of my books to put up my books on equal protection and rebooting the american dream on the web for free the publisher went nuts you want to give this away and i said yeah absolutely and guess what the sales went up and now the publisher wants to serialize many more of my books only a small number of people are actually going to steal things and they actually may promote new things the bigger bigger problem isn't individual theft it's india in industrial strength piracy often sanctioned by nations that is

a problem and this sopa bill and papa bill is not the way to solve. are you ready to rumble on the pounds i daybreak conservative and. just lost my pitch. daybreak conservative lead singer of the band madison rising and vince colonies fence i got you memorizing an online editor of color dave welcome for your first time thank you very much it's an absolute pleasure to be here thank you by the way i just want to know that this darkness how it started that's how the show always started so you just don't usually see it tom hanks from the rafters and they finally just opened. up as you guys are really going green here ok. today over ten thousand websites went to black you know as we just talked about and as i pointed out the founders their idea wasn't that copyrights and patents and i speak as

a guy who makes most of his living from intellectual property and i've got twenty four books in print now and seventeen languages on five continents among other things. but that it really wasn't to make authors and inventors rich it was to promote a public good and you know the so any of soap is being pushed ninety four million bucks where the corporate money. is this you know what's what's the deal with this i mean. now i'm starting to see conservative glenn beck came out today against. your thoughts a first amendment issue there coming out yeah well this is this is once again big government you know intruding it's a person that amendment issue obviously and it's just you know i find it ironic that you know because there are the left is actually you know concerned because you know it seems like they're the ones usually going after the rights of people like rush limbaugh and trying to shut their radio down for hate speech so you know it's ironic when they start calling thing rush limbaugh does when they love you know when that is what any right when they start when they start when they start coming

after the left is that ironic you know and they're actually coming after your precious internet now and you know and also all the bells and whistles and red flags are going off ok so you're not concerned about or you don't think this is a solution to piracy for example your music this. this to me does i dave the good point is the ironies of this are interesting you're reframing this clearly the bill itself is to be declaring it's about piracy right the one of the problems though is and we've had this conversation on this show before about due process that the government has to provide it and now the real issue that people have with soap and why so many people coming out against it is because it lets the government go completely in the direction of shutting down science even before the due process and able to be in a story. is and that's why you're going to have it is and the right are both opposed to big government but they actually are on studds but you will look at an issue like net neutrality there's this huge layover of all these people who support both government regulation through net neutrality and are against. government

regulation it doesn't it doesn't jive the two issues going on and i don't want to wander too far into your net neutrality debate on this because it deserves its own topic but i'll say that those of us who support it's not because we support the government it's because you have to make a choice who's going to run it is are you going who's going to define the rules of the game is going to be we the people who actually get to elect and throw out the bombs that we don't like are going to be some billion dollar corporate leaders and we the people are actually you know finally talking about this in there in unison in unity but i think you know i think what if anything it's brought us together based on that explanation of allowing who's going to be the one to decide what you're saying is that we're deciding ok in that case and then a trial which will discuss too much is that if the government is that the government can decide yet you say we don't know that the government can't decide that it is not a good arbiter because if it does then it's going to constrict the rights of the people on the internet and i don't think that i really think there is an issue at hand right to a large extent what it is up to if you want to. many levels that is that is valid

or do we stand behind that only you know any a lot of you are getting goodies and i'm not an advocate of piracy and i don't think you are either i mean i believe your monologue you said that it was just you know there's not that many people stealing on the internet i mean that is to be the most ridiculous statement i've heard out of the monologue. just because we wouldn't need things like life lock and things like that to protect the average citizen who just wants to use his credit card there's people stealing credit card there's no more but you know there's not you know if you look about personal the actual studies that have been done about like when when when a music gets you know piece of music it's pirates or something like that or a movie gets pirates data it actually increases sales it could be used that it could be used as a positive way typically dobbs i mean you know so so we're not the right message and you know as as an author i'm frankly not all that worried about it you know it's in fact i'm more worried about the fact that copyright law says that if i don't prosecute people when i find them stealing my stuff i lose my copyright i mean that's pretty interesting i think it's very bizarre that as many of us move out of wisconsin big day yesterday for grassroots activism in wisconsin democrats

needed five hundred forty thousand signatures to trigger a recall election of governor walker they announced on tuesday that had a million turns out they actually have one point eight million is this what democracy is really about walker actually never ran a campaign of union busting he ran on a campaign of reopening the state welcome centers the previous governor closed making sure that there was at least if one farmer on the natural resources board and creating a jobs hotline with direct access to the governor's office oh and also that he was going to fund his own pension rather than have the government funded which he promised he broke the first day he was in office. it was bait and switch there was no mention of the koch brothers legislation or erick was the only attention you have by the way it's not ok he's taken the government pension right i guess has been from my why question is you know why it why in the first place is everybody coming after walker for this because he said it was good if you work for it because it was obviously worse for the cards you work for you work for big big government once again this is big government trying to run just like they destroying health

care trying to run education and basically tearing education down you know what i mean almost like i say that i'm ashamed of teachers but you know teaching is supposed to be a gift and it should be a gift and you know people that are in teaching that are doing it for the money i might start to question i think if. they're doing it for the right reasons and because they got set up by a union you know i'm sure people who taught me that you know if you think people at the top of that you could easily the lot of us used to government ministers should just start piling up the money until you can see that i'm sure you're not worth anything ok as you say you know that but i mean you mentioned that he didn't run on union busting this is true he tried to find a way to make it so that the state can remain solvent including asking union members to not even contribute as much as private sector workers i mean the fact is he tried to come up with reasonable ways that he could fix the state's economy and yet now you have this is a it's essentially it's a proxy fight you have national unions who have entered into this fight and that's why you see one point eight million signatures are recall election in wisconsin versus because as you know you you goes in there and you have a giant union who's trying to support this effort as

a proxy fight in order to maintain it all of the american economy was on wall street talking to billionaires get money from you don't think in the first hand honestly i was a union worker seen first hand. the united steel workers after i was and i saw what that what being a part of a union can do to a huge corporation and it tears it down from within now you're out here you're busting your butt you're busting your butt but i guarantee you on your staff somewhere there's eight guys soon around the union. in the united states was the peak of the strength of the middle class and the peak of success for this country it was the one nine hundred fifty s. any i would do that work more of the rubble coming up after the break including an important announcement the white house regarding the keystone x.l. pipeline plus later in the show first they ignore you then they ridicule you then they fight you then you win will recap what happened yesterday when occupy wall street occupy the three seats of america how. drives the world the fear mongering used by politicians who makes decisions to

break through that sort of people have made who can you trust no one who is you know in view with the global machinery see where we had a state controlled capitalism is called sasha's when nobody dares to ask we do our t. question more.

welcome back to our panel on our panel tonight daybreak conservative and lead singer of the band madison rising and vince colonise senior online editor at the daily caller to get back to a huge announcement today on the keystone x.l. pipeline it's a no go this is what. environmentalist mag was bill mckibben had to say on my radio show today. this is one of those rare days when scientists get to smile and big oil has to scowl for a few hours each its own testament to the power of the people when they shake up their cynicism and rise up so i have in my hand the official talking points that were sent to every right wing talk show him america the republican from the republican national committee the research documents and it's really interesting because they quote things like an editorial in the houston chronicle or an op-ed by

broder and kraus rather than actual you know factual things about you know without this pipeline we're going to lose one hundred thirty thousand jobs but there's already a pipeline we already have an x.l. pipeline and we've already lost one hundred thirty million jobs i know i'm seriously matter you guys you guys know there's already a pipeline is carrying canadian oil is it goes down to missouri and then it goes i think we're going to graph it is keystone so were we could pennsylvania we're talking the midwest well no it's actually doesn't really have a graphic we don't apparently that we don't yeah here it is this this graphic just went full screen that is the dark line is the at is the actual pipeline that exists right now it's right behind us here if you want to see a little closer you got it and the dotted line in fact the dotted line here is what they're proposing and what's going on right now is right over here in indiana and in missouri we're right now refining gasoline supply in the united states what this company wants to do is they want to get it down to the gulf coast so they can export you know what the number one exporter the united states officially as of last month became the number one export for this country food stamps gasoline you

know a gasol number want to buy a product there like the chicken wings that are going started as butchers you know weight and all that but it's for one export and they want to export more of it and i you know i don't get why anybody wouldn't look at this and say this is crazy that we we risk all of that in america right i can understand why they'd want to help the economy the other. if i can understand why they don't so i can tell you what i mean by should be in that gasoline to europe and like we're doing right now they aren't you publish this and that does sound like satan's voice to you but the fact is like they are kind of right on the on the fact that like hundreds of thousands of jobs are being used to plug this hole i mean there's the idea is like ok fine the president an option the unions clearly wanted this thing for unity's vironment environmental and again when you talk about resident number of units who did it look clearly you had to stand to benefit from that one it's right there earlier for the two years that it takes to build after that they're out of work and clearly by the way no you'll have you'll have just spillover jobs that exist because of the

problem. but we just keep buying and firms you know the middle east you know i'm going behind terrorism and the us is the ship this is to support it's not the point where we're not drilling i want a lot of the president the president is in the room or off of. what why not put up some solar power. is a bird my friend oh yeah and we don't care who get it but the fact is the president or the president did take the harder choice today the president took the choice that it's not going to be politically expedient for him because if you want it because it's not like he's mailing it the left the left is clearly going to come out the guy said he wasn't going to do it if we if we attach to it so i mean what's the point if how much money did in time to get wasted by the guy saying hey i'm not going to approve it so they actually knew it was what he said is he's going to prove it now well we'll see after the election in the south carolina debate monday night the influence of the super pacs the campaign is a big talking point major issue many of the candidates denounced there is in some cases their own super pacs here's mitt romney talking about his super pacs. yes

rich people make contributions they want to make to campaigns campaigns that take responsibility for their own words and not have this strange situation where we have people out there who support us who run ads we don't like we'd like to take off the air we think are outrageous and yet they're out there supporting us and by law we're not allowed to talk to the. super pacs are bad for democracy is it time to repeal the supreme court decision citizens united well i think mitt romney spoke to what this is what the super pac is a balance and why does super pacs even had to rise because campaigns warn even the take even able to take the contributions to actually do the speech that they needed to do you think we should just blow the doors open and just say you know. mitt romney was i who wants to buy any politician that's why i kind of think i tend to think that if you have to worry nascar i tend to think the division is stupid and besides like it's not like democrats one gain from this in a huge way i mean you're saying it as if democrats won't have a leg up in this they will

a huge one obama takes more money from wall street than anyone. else romney's getting more and they're planning on a billion dollar campaign this cycle and that's just what the campaign imagine a super i agree but i want to terrible thing and i think it's going to when the president the presidency he can come out and say if you want to see any of my stuff it'll be on you tube everybody knows and sees what i've done look how great it's worked and you know that's we have fourteen fourteen consecutive months of really dollars and that's all. it's not this is not just let's go back read it is the people that are a cripple in the national we're going to do a lot of people are no longer going there on a building anymore that george w. bush as well that's what you're decrease in or your job because that's where. the nine percent goes down to a point five because those people at the end of their unemployment fall off the charts right because the bush because the bush depression their head and their bush when george let me money on six and everything on. a long list. of fixes that actually does. how in the short you show me his. exactly but we're

not dealing short term and we're dealing with attorneys already dealing with we're dealing with the united states of america and i don't want to see it destroyed in the short term way i'd like to see you know prolong your life you think you think that seven hundred thousand jobs a month that were being lost when george bush left. the. brochure those are going to go on right down the many other presidents are going to go. just kept right on going down that road it doesn't matter that's the past the past is gone we need to i mean. there is really at history a massive and your system only said it shouldn't ransom money and now look at how many more people are now look we've got fourteen months and more people on welfare jobs if you if you called job a job balancing the more people on welfare no it's not because the job growth business as because it should be right because the well is there grows on this one hundred and the average jobs above average job the average worker the guy wants to earn his living isn't making as much as somebody on welfare so we'll just get the money now is blasting because of the years away because thirty years of reaganomics

were because of well if we if we could have kept up with what was going on it would go back to the back to the original issues that you guys are you guys that politicians should be able to be bought by the transitional corporations i'll be able to be bought by many more people should be able to speak in whatever way they're capable of obviously reminding people obviously money is a way that someone can speak they can use money to buy the opportunity for money it's not speech you buy the opposite if he has money is speech supreme court did the words money is speech ever cross any supreme court opinion no it didn't go bankrupt money is speech no one ever those very words never appears again. those go back and read that isn't there i will go find i disagree on that point then if that's the case because the idea is that money can be used to make speech and that's accurate you know other than i don't you know on the point i disagree ok let's move on to michigan michigan governor rick snyder decides whether or not to let one of his financial managers as dictators take over detroit and so off the privatized whatever he's going to do democratic state senators are trying to put

the state back on track they have this idea the governor has given three and a half billion dollars in tax breaks to billionaires and corporations in the state and they're saying and it hasn't created any jobs it's done nothing and it made a bunch of rich people a whole lot. and so they're saying let's let's end the tax breaks and instead let anybody in the state go to college go to a state college who is capable of getting into college the way it used to be the way that abraham lincoln organized a back and eight hundred fifty s. in the language colleges were the way my mom when you have the capable of getting into college these days i mean the educational system we all know was broken anyway why anybody that's not behind it that's not the issue but what you're going to send in people you know you are free you think that we should send people to call the developed countries in the world and have earned college and you pay for you weren't you weren't there is there is there is a you're no intellectual that's that's what you job if you believe that's what your job as an education is no i am saying do you do you i don't disagree that you

should earn the right to go to college by by by having the by having the capability of handling college but if somebody is going to give you why earn it. you're talking about the money and i'm talking about what are you the education over and you know you know i'm the one who tried to tell you never so you can know when to tell you where that knowledge should be free holiday and i was trying to. free you from abraham lincoln until ronald reagan knowledge should be free now that you're agreeing with the democrats i'm agreeing with the fact that i question the question that system that every developed country in the world has free college education. and i still haven't figured out your position what your position is and what you're what you're talking about where the democrats were opposing in this state is that this is michigan right this is like yeah this is like where detroit is making the state bleed i mean you mentioned this in terms of the site the jobs are actually doing some pretty cool stuff coming back and they're bulldozing down you know foreclosed homes spaces growing garden but on the issue of the legislation first of all it's not and there's a republican controlled legislature the lead legislation itself is not tenable it's

sort of just one of these red herrings that democrats throw out in order to try and see if they can get you know garner support based on the ideology of it now additionally then that's how you're going to do it if the legislation has genuine like connotations what you're talking about is taking money this is going to blow your mind and you're going to freak out of me but. taking money from corporations where innovation and jobs are being created and then giving it to people who as dave rightly noted find no incentive whatsoever to earn the college that they're about to be given money corporations use or that you have to give us because you're cutting loose morals out of taxes you're very good at half a billion dollars you're inflating the tab to get over these you know but you know this is this is ending corporate welfare to pay for education this is simple what's said always on this exact the internet off so that you have to take a test to get to the next page and we don't have to you know we got to go to. you more things about mitt romney's finances this week here's what he said in a recent interview. my income comes overwhelmingly from from investments made in the past rather than ordinary income or rather than earned annual income i get

a little bit of income from my book but i gave that away and and then i get speaker's fees from time to time but not very much. over. three hundred seventy thousand two hundred what it was any so i was really upset about pays a fifteen percent tax rate while the rest of us are paying upwards of thirty five percent that is what i own capital gains and then he collects speaking fees not that much actually do you pay on your wife but again what romney considers not that much is three hundred sixty two thousand dollars a year that's how much mitt made giving speeches and who's to say what not much is sixteen trillion dollars and seven times you're worried about mitt romney here and you know i'm going to romney now all that much let's keep going as oil i want to over so we can build islands where you do body back off for a second so the question is what does mitt romney spend his not all that much speaking fees on a fuel for his private jet the magic underwear for the less than fortunate mormons in his congregation or see lots of ten thousand pounds was spent in that that i

don't even listen you know what i'm still i'm still a bit about the let's hope he supports the mormons how is that ok whether it be underwear or with more books you know what i mean when that's mine so i think speaking fees are sort of a legitimate way to earn money if you want your job you can pay for it i mean i was wondering how much you know in the game it's all about so my answer about i'm going to make a mint is i have no money no chance of my and there is that he's doing his using that money for dog obedience lessons to teach his dog how to sit on the roof of his car oh here's an example former massachusetts governor mitt romney was in pittsburgh today for a fund raising visit answer some questions about a boston globe report that during a family vacation for twenty four years ago he strapped his dog cage with the dog inside it to the top of his car during a twelve hour road trip you know peter has not been my stand over the years. thanks . much appreciated.

rick perry's secret weapon meet twenty seven year old richard ashton a british man who decided to have his passport tattooed on his back ashton said he got the rather formative tattoo on his back in two thousand and six to remember his trip to australia the tattoo includes ashton's full name date of birth a nationality things that are thankfully permanent when asked about the strange choice of body already said that he wanted something to remember him on holiday by tattoos also practical as ashton is used at the bank to confirm his identity to withdraw cash so fashion ever forgets his passport info his back to back or as of the rick perry was recently spotted leaving a tattoo parlor and now he'll never forget those three pesky government agencies he wants to get rid of. coming up after the break they've been forced out of encampments across the nation but the occupy movement is still moving ahead how do they make their voices heard yesterday and where will the movement go.

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welcome back to the big picture i'm tom hartman coming up in this half hour they took to the halls of congress the steps of the supreme court and the gates of the white house so the seats of power in america listening to what they had to say more on yesterday's occupy congress day of action in just a moment and ron paul and many of his conservative forwards who love to claim the nation's founders wanted a weak central government was this really the intent of the framers this is just the right wing fantasy and finally porpora greed has been dealt a big blow this week what does this say about the state of our democracy and is the american public finally standing up to the power and influence of billionaires and corporate money.