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people took to the streets and then very suddenly the military regime said ok ok we'll have elections in june of two thousand and thirteen so i think even if there is this sort of tacit alliance between the brotherhood and the regime which i'm not sure we can really say i also think there's still a lot of space in egyptian society for people to go back to tahir and some of the other squares across egypt and press the regime and if necessary press the brother to press the brotherhood on some of these issues you know broadly if i can be kind of change gears here i mean i was reading some interesting analysis about the revolution when you're on and one writer put it this way is that you know the people that started this revolution they have themselves to blame because all they had one demand is getting getting rid of mubarak and that was more or less that and once you got that you didn't have any leaders you didn't really have an agenda and this is one of the reasons why the revolution has drifted because you have other forces that have come into play waiting out departure and then they can fill the gap because as we know the muslim brotherhood was supportive of the protesters but
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they weren't really involved and they made sure that there were no religious banners on the square and things like that they played a very low profile. role in all of this and now we see things have changed very differently the liberal parties did very badly in the election so it's still very much a wild card where this can go and we may be more than anything else we'll see a form of islamic democracy and not a liberal democracy. well look you can fool some of the people some of the time if if there is a deal being made by the military and accommodation it's got to be one that the people except the people have tremendous distrust of the military and if the military doesn't stand down and not to let the political parties and the and the power of the political parties and power rise to the occasion and the people feel that they're being governed by a civilian authority i think they're going to be more protests so i think the muslim brotherhood are fooling themselves if they can make an accommodation with
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the military that the people will reject they have a golden opportunity now they had free and fair elections to get where they are today if they have free and fair elections for president they're well on their way to having a stable secure and friendly government not just to the west but to all freedom loving countries and so the ball is in their hands but the military cannot be the person behind the curtain the people of egypt won't stand for it. david you know in looking at it and one public opinion poll result after another one of the most unpopular countries in egypt today is the united states because of its role in dealing with the dictator ship dictatorship for thirty years that's not changing either that hasn't changed since the the revolution a year ago if the muslim brotherhood and other islamic that were elected if they follow the people's will it will be a very chilly relationship with the united states and as we brought up earlier possibly revoking the peace treaty with israel. sure well i mean you know some of
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the most iconic images from from the revolution are protesters picking up tear gas canisters and seeing you know the made in america and that sort of emblematic of the kind of military support that the u.s. gave to egypt over the years i think if you step back from public opinion and you look at what happened after the revolution started you could make an argument that american leverage played a role in getting mubarak to step aside but i don't think we should expect that to be this sort of like dominant paradigm in egypt the we do have a very we are held in very low esteem our foreign policy not americans themselves the foreign policy is held in very low esteem and i don't think that really going to change until something changes on the israeli palestinian front. and that's not something that the u.s. can control in egypt it's not something that the brotherhood can really do anything about that's a larger geo strategic issue that's really dragging down american popularity
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throughout the region because we are i think rightly seen as backing the israelis even though there's a much chillier relationship between the obama administration and israel right now still the sort of basic contours of that relationship are still there it's very obvious to egyptians and the big thing is that egyptians no longer want to be complicit in forcing this bargain you know they don't want to be complicit in shutting off the gaza strip and blockading it they want to see their leadership take a bit more of an independent stance towards the united states and towards the israelis . and i think if that happens you might see some of the resent me offer to you know last year dissipated just a bit go ahead bradley jump in. ok number one is the egyptians have to realize they have enough problems of their own they shouldn't be straying into bilateral relations and causing fights. disruptions beyond
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their own borders they have an internal struggle now and they should they should work within before looking with out number two is how are they going to react with iran and their threats to close the straits of hormuz are they going to inject themselves in matters that are really extraneous to their own position and number three if the united states wants to ingratiate themselves with the egyptian people what they've got to do is we've got to offer humanitarian aid we've got to offer loans and services to the egyptian people and not so much you know up the government but i very much you take it on their side you know and we wish nothing but the best for them but well i don't i think most egyptians don't believe that ok after thirty years it's hard for them to believe that the last twelve months hasn't changed and i think that's why we've got a lot of work to do now a lot of what are these real intentions if you just leave egypt alone completely and let them decide for themselves let them decide their own foreign policy if they want to tear up the peace treaty with israel i shall be there and you're saying
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there is an object ourselves it should be there it is politics but there's a lot of humanitarian relief that we can help on and that's the kind of work we should be doing ok well i mean if i could stay with you bradley i mean the eight i think you are i think you know it is the right right now it's david jump in go ahead so i mean the reality is right now it's not it's not going to be strictly humanitarian aid because there's a real there's a real concern about what's going to happen with the peace treaty and things like that and i think if the brotherhood were to take power and win the presidency of this would be a real test of the degree to which the military is still exerting its control through some kind of invisible hand in the background and i think any extent to which the us the scene is cooperating with the military behind the scenes. to prevent elected leadership from making foreign policy changes is definitely not going to do anything for our popularity i think no matter how much humanitarian aid we send the reality is that these larger issues related to israel palestine are always going to trump whatever we do on the ground because those will be more
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micro-level initiatives and they won't get the same kind of press attention so i agree that we should be doing that but on the other hand i think that we do have to allow the new elected leadership to kind of steer its foreign policy maybe not into a into a direction where we're going to have a confrontation over israel but in a way to allow the government to flex its independence to show the egyptian people that they are in fact in charge of their own affairs and that they're not like the u.s. as a lackey and so some way shape or form i think that's really important just for the just for the optics just for the theatricals to allow the egyptians the space to control their for their foreign policy because this is not just about the u.s. this goes back to british control this goes back to two hundred years of feeling like the egyptian people don't have control of their own foreign policy radley thank you go to you what do you think about that because if we go back to the peace agreement with that with israel it seems to be either logic it's the other way
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around because of hard times because of the economy and be very easy for any government to say you know look over there you know let's help the palestinians and that would you know focus people's attention and in and release of frustration and again helping the palestinians in gaza is a very very popular issue among the average egyptian that's how it could turn out. well look if they decide to look beyond their own borders and not solve their own problems we're going to have a lot of problems because we're going to stand the united states four square with israel that's the way it's going to be and if we have to deliver any message to the military or the new political leadership is that message is that if egypt has a choice to make are they going to start to solve their old problems are they going to get involved in other people's problems or have their own get their own foreign policy clear three far east indians to have their rooms and more israel then they're going to have a real problem with us well maybe the average egyptian wouldn't have a problem with having that kind of problem ok david i'm going to give you the last
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word although you know the way things were they've done it before i mean i think that with a rock and a hard place here. the rock and a hard place here right is that the u.s. i think does have an interest and allowing egyptians to exert some control over their own foreign policy but if if if they go too far in the eyes of the united states administration in the eyes of the west you might see some of this the funding that is desperately needed in egypt that might dry up you know so the elected leadership of egypt is going to have this real difficult choice to make about how far to push this independence and foreign policy i do think that you're going to see a change in tone i think that elected leadership is going to push back against american foreign policy and israeli foreign policy and he's going to see you have run out of time. many thanks to my guest today in washington and in chicago and thanks to our viewers for watching us here to see you next time and remember.
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with the u.s. economy still on the ropes president obama has another program for a change. to the address. in libya gadhafi loyalists claim they're in control of the town of bani walid the country's interim group this struggle to keep the peace. and coming full circle of thousands of egyptians and reforms gather in central cairo as the country marks the uprisings first anniversary this is the scene in tahrir square right now thirty years of emergency room gets partially lifted today.
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in moscow you're watching r.t. a very warm welcome to you. as the u.s. presidential race picks up pace head of november's vote for barack obama is trying to ratchet up support for reelection he's delivered his annual state of the union address making new promises of change ahead but he's going to church you can was listening in. his goal was to highlight his achievements and lay out new promises as far as the message policies he speech was full of heartfelt success stories about the economy and jobs creation but there is a lot of skepticism among american social inequality in america is now at a level unseen since the great depression the top one percent of wealthiest in the country are making a killing while the middle class is shrinking dramatically and that gap is getting
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wider american jobs are being outsourced to other countries president obama's state of the union speech sounded motivational full of good intentions but the fact that almost all his major economic initiatives got bogged down in congress like the jobs act that he put forward last year is giving a sense to many that he might be saying all the right words but they may not be necessarily followed by demons on the foreign policy front he ran on promises to end wars but while he pulled troops out of iraq and started winding down the war in afghanistan with a pledge to bring all troops home by two thousand and fourteen america's wars didn't stop president obama bombed levy a last year to the tune of bringing about democracy also the u.s. may now be on the verge of an all out confrontation with iran and in the speech he once again said all options are on the table washington is now actively building up its military presence in the persian gulf region new u.s. drone bases are popping up in the arabian peninsula so we see that while president
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obama went through with the promise is to scale back on the record again is that he's been actively building up a platform for possibly new wars president obama certainly prized in cell phone his role in killing osama bin laden and a number of other terrorists but the means by which the u.s. is going about the task of chasing down terrorists raises a lot of red flags so some experts argue that what washington is doing is fighting terror and provoking terror at the same time but in president obama's presentation everything sounds just great on the war on terror front. well president obama reiterated his commitment to cutting down on military spending and trimming the armed forces and u.s. professor paul sheldon foote says he's proud he said all this with washington's foreign policy goals he used the cute little code phrase that we're going to have an enduring relationship with death in a stand which means we're going to have bases in that country and stay there for ever whether they want to serve. likewise he said regional gadhafi syria's
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next day and if iran doesn't behave there the after that so. it is totally contradictory to say that he's going to be able to pay down the american debt and extract government spending programs domestically with savings from bringing soldiers older moore's what in fact he has plans to expand what he didn't mention try to find any also said that we have a pacific strategy and the world will know that we are number one. and that was a thinly veiled threat against china even i mean how insane can you be china's holding more than a trillion dollars of our debt we've got tens of thousands of factories there we're highly coordinated doing depended on them now and he's threatening them to. here with r.t. still to come on the program a meeting of military minds the business banking elite on that bus the world
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economic forum find out how much focus will for them to form a low bid for natural systems. searching for a fair salary why a legal loophole in india is there any without any jobs or stable income. there's confusion over events in the libyan town of bani walid after mogadon seized the city on monday killing five people and injuring twenty five in clashes with government forces but libya's interior minister says it's actually not clear who controls the city and claims clashes erupted due to internal disagreements between rival militias the elders in the town say they will appoint their own local representatives and reject any interference from the interim authorities fighters for the national transitional council now set up checkpoints outside bani walid it comes as the m.d.c. has been struggling to unify its own forces by the protests in several cities
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across the country and prompted the council's chairman to warn of possible civil war when investigative journalist simon ourselves says that many libyans really don't want to get it one. thing about revolutions is they're not simply passive events there is a whole awakening of a population in the middle east but also in libya and people saying well this is not what we have not prizing for and the victims themselves you know the victims the new victims the old supporters of the old regime saying well you talk about democracy where is our inclusion in this so you get the sense there is this fracturing the new electoral law is very how can i put it has made people very very unhappy it seems there is a reintroduction of tribalism and patronage networks and so on and so you know. that there is a lot of disquiet in every corner of libya at the moment it's a truism that there's no such thing as a clean war and civil war is the most brutal. and so you could imagine. nato but i need to imagine nato really pushed the envelope and they broke the
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resolution they were there to defend civilians that was the mandate and they were essentially became the rebel rebels air force and so they were attacking in the you know almost total annihilation of very messy very brutal and i think there's quite a lot of acts of revenge taking place as well. well we have more news and stories if you i website r.t. dot com here's a look at what you can find there right now from the web whistleblower to t.v. talk show host the internet's most controversial activist in asuncion to become a star of the small screen it isn't the program exclusively here but our team on to find out all the details. and while you're there trading real gold for black gold iran will reportedly bypass the latest round of western sanctions by accepting the precious metal as payment for its oil exports to r.t. dot com for the details.
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let's take you live to egypt now in cairo's now iconic tahrir square thousands of egyptians are gathering to mark the first anniversary of the uprising that toppled president barack they're angry at the slow pace of reforms in the country was also a landmark day in the country as almost thirty years of emergency rule has been partially lifted some key police powers remain ending the drug well has been on the protesters key demands for there are still many for whom it's not enough to rest until the army steps down the roof a national report card. a year after its historic revolution in egypt is far from calm protests have become a part of everyday life and no longer an event while the revolution is a significant achievement. we could never believe who would come out and speak out
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like. that there are several reasons for egypt's people to take out to the streets following the uprising that ousted mubarak last february the country's economy is struggling unemployment is at its. highest in decades and while the newly elected islam is dominated parliament debate the country's future resentment rose against military rule and the feeling they hijacked the revolution was a business that we want them to do what military should do to protect its citizens and not rule the country. while no one wants to be sure that there will not destroy our solutions achievements they betrayed us the military dominated egypt's politics since the fall of the monarchy sixty years ago some skeptics say the twenty eleven revolution did little to change this trend. when mubarak toppled down people welcome to the supreme council of the armed forces to lead the transition but the
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initial euphoria began to fade when the military council was still in place six months later after one bloody crackdown on peaceful protesters after another claiming at least eighteen lives of tober there isn't any doubt left here scaf should go i believe that they're there i mean our life i believe that we don't want them anywhere here in this chair that's what i believe in the words and that's what most of what all i know believe and we will work whatever happens as these are works week and discard are scared because a boon arabic for army lawyers campaign they worked through will the army's wrongdoing be to no female activists attacking field hospitals and conspiracy theories under the military council twelve thousand people have been brought to bear to trials that against less than two thousand in mubarak's thirty years. claim
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it and leave when the new president is elected in june but if you believe the promises that once were broken so easily some also fear that the generals may stay all behind the scenes reluctance to relinquish their power they've had for decades with protests pushing them to leave. the ice clear the fight is not yet over brief notion r.t. cairo. well you gypped now has a newly elected parliament for the muslim brotherhood holding the majority of seats the only said it would give up power once a new president is sworn in often june's poll now crosstalk program later middle of ellen is gets debate the country's future is a preview. if the united states wants to ingratiate themselves with the egyptian people what they've got to do is we've got to offer humanitarian aid we've got to offer loans and services to the egyptian people and not so much
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you know i've got the government but i'm very much you think on their side and we wish nothing but the best for them now but well i don't i think most egyptians don't believe that ok after thirty years it's hard for them to believe that the last twelve months hasn't changed and i think that's why we've got a lot of work to do you know a lot of. what are these real intentions if you just leave egypt alone completely and let them decide for themselves let them decide their own foreign policy if they want to tear up the peace treaty with israel. i mean you're saying there is inject ourselves it should be there it is politics but there's a lot of humanitarian relief that we can help and that's the kind of work we should be doing. the so-called one percent because these are the have descended on davos switzerland to see the lucrative deals and the salvation of capitalism itself that means it's time for the world economic forum which kicks off today perhaps unsurprisingly the ninety nine percent being worst hit by the financial crisis have been locked out
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and left to look on from the outside nazis learn this to reports. all right i'm here i've made it to davos i'm at the world economic forum my first time i'm not alone though it turns out morgan stanley's c.e.o. says first time which shows the caliber of the people that are here ok these are much of the corporate elite much of the global elite when it comes to wealth power all of that so they're all gathered here the question is what is davos man got on his agenda this year now of course the unofficial business is what davos is really become known for in many respects that's what you hear about that makes it worth all of the money that some of these corporations shell out to be here it's the networking and the deals that are done in private parties you know off the record in hallways in lobbies so this is where a lot of the global one percent or some of them at least presumably are doing business according to past reports ironically on the actual official agenda this year is that the topic of capitalism and if it is for ambling what its future is
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and what the solutions to its problems are the founder of the world economic forum has said that we can't think of this is business as usual anymore that capitalism in its current form has no place in the world around us talking about much of the of the discontent we've seen over in quality that we've seen with the occupy wall street movement which is on the agenda when some of these sessions are talking about remodelling capitalism occupy is one of the things that they're talking about interesting lee though none of those activists are invited to the forum to have that discussion but they are here really highlighting the difference separating everybody else from the elites that are meeting here they have the igloo and can't mint which many people are talking about but they're very much here now as far as what exactly is going to go on i'll do my best to show you but the more i'm looking at these reports of what the press is going to be able to do it looks like i'm not going to be able to see a film or go a lot of the places that i would want to go except for maybe in thirty minute
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increments what's a day hopefully as supported by someone from the. economic forum for me to lock down some of these. business leaders and heads of state and central bankers exactly what they're talking about me sessions i may not be privy to but that is what i'm going to try and do i'm going to do my best for you all of that and i will be your intrepid reporter until there. are. some other international news now in syria has agreed to extend the arab league observers mission by a month it was set up at the end of last year to monitor the regime's compliance with the league's plan to end the violence there they just reports claim sixty people were killed in government protests across syria on tuesday in the un says more than five thousand people have died. nigerian forces have arrested scores of suspected members of an islamist group during raids in the northern city of qana the boko haram sect said it carried out
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a series of bombings in the city on friday which at least one hundred eighty five people died the group is considered the most violent radical organization in nigeria responsible for nearly thousand deaths last year. hundreds of demonstrators in argentina were met by riot police say a protest in front of the british embassy in one of the disputed falkland islands protesters demanded britain hand the territories over to argentina has refused to send woman to support the area of tension between the two countries or senator since argentina before community meetings insisting it had prior crimes on the territory. of. rescue teams are searching for seventeen people still unaccounted for in the upsized on telly and most new footage has emerged showing images of floating debris inside the vessel. film the interior
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of the ship after using explosives to blast into more areas sixteen bodies have been recovered since the ship ran aground. twelve days ago. when a little later this hour we'll hear from the surprise candidate in russia's upcoming presidential election make up rocker off is one of russia's richest men it's considered a dull course in the race for the kremlin here's what's ahead. with were single by make decisions quickly and i guess the first develop within me over a long period of time and then when conditions are right i get a kind of signal that it's time for a change so when i realized that i had to change something i turn to politics back in april when i just joined the right cause project i knew there would be a release on blog in a square in the south of iraq where it would that's why i went into politics or do you mean you knew nobody i got the signal this happens to me is no say i foresaw the crisis and i saw.
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