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very suddenly the military regime said ok ok we'll have elections in june two thousand and thirteen so i think even if there is this sort of tacit alliance between the brotherhood and the regime which i'm not sure we can really say i also think there's still a lot of space in egyptian society for people to go back to to hear and some of the other squares across egypt and press the regime and if necessary press the brother to press the brotherhood on some of these issues you know broadly if i can be kind of change gears here i mean i was reading some interesting analysis about the revolution when you're on and one writer put it this way is that you know the people that started this revolution they have themselves to blame because all they had one demand is getting getting rid of mubarak and that was more or less that and once you got that you didn't have any leaders you didn't really have an agenda and this is one of the reasons why the revolution has drifted because you have other forces that have come into play waiting out departure and then they can fill the gap because as we know the muslim brotherhood was supportive of the protesters but
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they weren't really involved and they made sure that there were no religious banners on the square and things like that they played a very low profile. role in all of this and now we see things have changed very differently the liberal parties did very badly in the election so it's still very much a wild card where this can go and we may be more than anything else we'll see a form of islamic democracy and not a liberal democracy. well look you can fool some of the people some of the time if if there is a deal being made by the military and accommodation it's got to be one that the people except the people have tremendous distrust of the military and if the military doesn't stand down and not to let the political parties and the and the power of the political parties and power rise to the occasion and the people feel that they're being governed by a civilian authority i think they're going to be more protests so i think the muslim brotherhood are fooling themselves if they can make an accommodation with the military that the people will reject they have
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a golden opportunity now they had free and fair elections to get where they are today if they have free and fair elections for president they're well on their way to having a stable secure and friendly government not just to the west but to all freedom loving countries and so the ball is in their hands but the military cannot be the person behind the curtain the people of egypt won't stand for it. david you know in looking at it and one public opinion poll result after another one of the most unpopular countries in egypt today is the united states because of its role in dealing with the dictator ship dictatorship for thirty years that's not changing either that hasn't changed since the the revolution a year ago if the muslim brotherhood and other islamic that were elected if they follow the people's will it will be a very chilly relationship with the united states and as we brought up earlier possibly revoking the peace treaty with israel. sure well i mean you know some of
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the most iconic images from from the revolution are protesters picking up tear gas canisters and seeing you know the made in america and that sort of emblematic of the kind of military support that the u.s. gave to egypt over the years i think if you step back from public opinion and you look at what happened after the revolution started you could make an argument that american leverage played a role in getting mubarak to step aside but i don't think we should expect that to be the sort of like dominant paradigm in egypt where the we do have a very we are held in very low esteem our foreign policy not americans themselves the foreign policy is held in very low esteem and i don't think that really going to change until something changes on the israeli palestinian front. and that's not something that the u.s. can control in egypt it's not something that the brotherhood can really do anything about that's a larger geo strategic issue that's really dragging down american popularity
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throughout the region because we are i think rightly seen as backing the israelis even though i mean there's a much chillier relationship between the obama administration and israel right now still the sort of basic contours of that relationship are still there it's very obvious to egyptians in the big thing is that egyptians no longer want to be complicit in forcing this bargain you know they don't want to be complicit in shutting off the gaza strip and blockading it they want to see their leadership take a bit more of an independent stance towards the united states and towards the israelis . and i think if that happens you might see some of your resentment offered to you know last year dissipated just a bit go ahead bradley jump in. ok number one is the egyptians have to realize they have enough problems of their own they shouldn't be straying into bilateral relations and causing fights and disruptions beyond their own borders they have an internal struggle now and they should they should
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work within before looking with out number two is how are they going to react with iran and their threats to close the straits of hormuz are they going to inject themselves in matters that are really extraneous to their own position and number three if the united states wants to ingratiate themselves with the egyptian people what they've got to do is we've got to offer humanitarian aid we've got to offer loans and services to the egyptian people and not so much you know look up the government but i'm very much you think i'm on their side you know and we wish nothing but the best for them now but well i don't i think most egyptians don't believe that ok after thirty years it's hard for them to believe that the last twelve months hasn't changed and i think that's why we've got a lot of work to do now a lot to believe what are these real intentions if you just leave egypt alone completely and let them decide for themselves let them decide their own foreign policy if they want to tear up the peace treaty with israel i shall be very i mean she's saying there is an object ourselves it should be there it is politics but
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there's a lot of humanitarian relief that we can help on and that's the kind of work we should be doing ok well i mean if i could stay with you bradley i mean the eight i think you are i think you know it is the right right now it's david jump in go ahead so i mean the reality is right now it's not it's not going to be strictly humanitarian aid because there's a real there's a real concern about what's going to happen with the peace treaty and things like that and i think if the brotherhood were to take power and win the presidency of this would be a real test of the degree to which the military is still exerting its control through some kind of invisible hand in the background and i think any extent to which the us the scene is cooperating with the military behind the scenes. to prevent elected leadership from making foreign policy changes is definitely not going to do anything for our popularity i think no matter how much humanitarian aid we send the reality is that these larger issues related to israel palestine are always going to trump whatever we do on the ground because those will be more
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micro-level initiatives and they won't get the same kind of press attention so i agree that we should be doing that but on the other hand i think that we do have to allow the new elected leadership to kind of steer its foreign policy maybe not into a into a direction where we're going to have a confrontation over israel but in a way to allow the government to flex its independence to show the egyptian people that they are in fact in charge of their own affairs and that they're not like the u.s. as a lackey and so some way shape or form i think that's really important just for the just for the optics just for the theatricals to allow the egyptians the space to control their for their foreign policy because this is not just about the u.s. this goes back to british control this goes back to two hundred years of feeling like the egyptian people don't have control of their own foreign policy radley thank you go to you what do you think about that because if we go back to the peace agreement with that with israel it seems to me either logic it's the other way around because of hard times because of the economy can be very easy for any
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government to say you know look over there you know let's help the palestinians and that would you know focus people's attention and in and release of frustration and again helping the palestinians in gaza is a very very popular issue among the average egyptian that's how it could turn out. well look if they decide to look beyond their own borders and not solve their own problems we're going to have a lot of problems because we're going to stand the united states four square with israel that's the way it's going to be and if we have to deliver any message to the military or the new political leadership is that message is that if egypt has a choice to make are they going to start to solve their old problems are they going to get involved in other people's problems or have their own get their own foreign policy clear three far east indians to have their rooms and where israel then they're going to have a real problem with us well maybe the average egyptian wouldn't have a problem with having that kind of problem ok david i'm going to give you the last
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word although you know the way things were they've done it before i mean i think that with a rock and a hard place here. the rock and a hard place here right is that the u.s. i think does have an interest in the allowing egyptians to exert some control over their own foreign policy but if if if they go too far in the eyes of the united states administration in the eyes of the west you might see some of this this funding that's desperately needed in egypt that might dry up you know so the elected leadership of egypt is going to have this real difficult choice to make about how far to push this independence and foreign policy i do think that you're going to see a change in tone i think that elected leadership is going to push back against american foreign policy and israeli foreign policy and he's going to say you have run out of time you'll see. many thanks to my guests today in washington and in chicago and thanks to our viewers for watching us here to see you next time and remember.
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pledges to save the economy and create much needed jobs president obama's re-election campaign in his state of the union address. tens of thousands of egyptians that gathered on tyrion square to mark the years since the uprising but frustration over a lack of change clubs the celebrations. all the secrets song one show the world's top get others to tell all on t.v. by the way to watch.
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live from moscow at eight pm this is r t well welcome to you my name's kevin now in our top story millions of new jobs manufacturing back on track war in iraq over and bin ladin gone barack obama set out his stall for reelection and using the annual state of union address to do it but it's gonna change you can reports from washington the upbeat tone doesn't quite reflect reality. his goal was to highlight his achievements and lay out new promises as far as the message policies he speech was full of heartfelt success stories about the economy and jobs creation but there is a lot of skepticism among american social inequality in america is now at a level unseen since the great depression the top one percent of wealthiest in the country are making a killing while the middle class is shrinking dramatically and that is getting wider american jobs are being outsourced to other countries president obama's state
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of the union speech sounded motivational full of good intentions but the fact that almost all his major economic initiatives got bogged down in congress like the jobs act that he put forward last year is giving a sense to many that he might be saying all the right words but they may not be necessarily followed by demons on the foreign policy front he ran on promises to end wars but while he pulled troops out of iraq and started winding down the war in afghanistan with a pledge to bring all troops home by two thousand and fourteen america's wars didn't stop president obama bombed levy last year to the tune of bringing about democracy also the u.s. may now be on the verge of an all out confrontation with iran and in the speech he once again said all options are on the table washington is now actively building up its military presence in the persian gulf region new u.s. drone bases are popping up in the arabian peninsula so we see that while president obama went through with the promises to scale back on the record again is that he's
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been actively building up a platform for possibly new wars president obama certainly prides himself on his role in killing osama bin laden and a number of other terrorists but the means by which the u.s. is going about the task of chasing down terrorists raises a lot of red flags so some experts argue that what washington is doing is fighting terror and provoking terror at the same time but in president obama's presentation everything sounds just great on the war on terror front. we got more comment on reaction about obama's speech coming up later in the program too next though he exposed some of the world's darkest secrets and soon you'll get the chance to find that even more when the world's most famous whistle blower launches a world show on r t julian assange his exclusive series will premiere in march the world's leaders are really abuzz about who the wiki leaks founder is set to interview plenty of people lined up our london correspondent laura smith reports. basically we knew that as and wanted to wanted to write and host his own interview
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show and we made it happen this is going to be broadcast on r.t. it's going to focus of course on us knowledge it's favorite topic control fifty two thousand and eleven was a soldier's year his name became one of the most famous in the world and indeed it became a byword for for explosive control to see when he released the biggest ever set of u.s. the documents by his web site wiki leaks he's going to be interviewing a series of what he called iconoclasts visionaries and power insider that he's going to talk about how to shape the vision of a brighter and better tomorrow that as i say is going to be focused on r.t. and we are hoping that it will be as explosive as the release of those documents was via wiki leaks we can't see any reason why it wouldn't be hundreds of articles from all around the world local newspapers international newspapers everybody seems to be talking about this cause to twitter there is
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a light with rumors about the show but elation about who might be interviewed by julian assange and of course he is a massive name but that's not the only reason why there will be a fascinating it's going to be filmed where assault has been subject to strict bail conditions things like signing in to the police station every day being essentially under house arrest under the spell conditions for the last four hundred fourteen days even though no charges have been filed the first episode is also going to be shot a week before his supremes court hearing to fight against his actual decision to sweden for questioning on alleged sexual assault charges so as i say no use of rumors about what's going to go on he says going to be a new type of television of course he's no stranger to being on the other side of the interview is table i've interviewed him myself but if you want to find out exactly what's going on you're going to have to stay here on r.t. my lips are sealed so for all the details and the guests we can't reveal at the
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moment that the secret but we will be having exclusive trailers and previews here on r.t. so watch this space. we will indeed laura smith there now r t s news executive describes how the network signed up julian assange to britain there were quite interesting discussions we said in our office after christmas sharing ideas about the show's possibilities and obviously it would be and it channels we right now to get our signage but i think it's quite natural that his show will be on our t.v. i mean r.t. always tries to go beyond that to see other sides of any news story and shoulder real reasons behind the news that you would see on mainstream journalists when we talk. was very calm and relaxed which you would expect of course from someone who's been under house arrest for more than four hundred days he was very full of ideas and some of them were born as we talked so i think this will be a very hard hitting show. in there one of our news executives over to you we will
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know what you think about what topics you'd like to see during the silence tackling exposing these new t.v. series here on this channel in march this is what you're telling us this hour the votes so almost evenly split just over a third if you believe the focus on who really rules the mainstream media a good question thirty percent think the series should focus on the nato war machine agenda and the same number of you this i would like to see as julie exposes the world bank's new rules for the remaining seven percent of you see the what i'm to expose who controls the internet again another big one tell us what you want to you'd like to see tackled of the show you've made your choice now with r.t. dot com we're listening. back to our top story now shall we as promised. more thoughts about obama's state of the union address there's talk now than jeremy corbin is a labor of the member to stop the war coalition mr corben very good evening good to see you in london there
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a barber said earlier on that america remains the one indispensable nation in world affairs but we know washington faces opposition on very many major issues thinking syria thinking a rant from countries like russia and china are america's ambitions justified. well i find the speech really rather strange for a country that's just gone up to sixteen trillion pounds of debts it seems to be very strange to then be presenting yourself as a military power with the more ambitions for greater military power around the world intense obama's speech last month of expanding u.s. military operations all over the pacific region and then his statement iran would never possess nuclear weapons we're going to be wrong i don't want to run anybody else possess nuclear weapons. through the straits of hormuz last week was a provocation. and i just hear the drums of war building up again a promise in me is very very disappointing. us is
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still the biggest military power in the world. and seems to be a problem. in his inability to rein in the whole military industrial complex you know we're really talking about a rather let's focus on that we've got a number of other things to talk about as well but let's think about iran since that. happened since the the pressure ramped up in the straits of hormuz that we've also heard the u.s. defense department is well admitting that they think is building a nuclear weapon quite so why is the tension still so high. it seems to me the is the. church for another enemy they had afghanistan and that has not been a success they have iraq which was a success they have libya and look at the internal problems and the civil war that's happening in libya so they need to look for another enemy but this one has
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been slowly very well choreographed build up towards the tensions with iran we have increased naval presence in bahrain and in the gulf we have the support for saudi arabia in the gulf cooperation council who saw the whole political build up european union then piled in with sanctions against iran we now have the sanctions against oil products from iran to the west. of iraq for gas and we just see this pressure and now the admission that they are not building a nuclear weapon and not wanting to build a nuclear weapon must be very inconvenient but it won't stop them doing the same remember colin powell before iraq in two thousand and two with all the stuff about chemical weapons in iraq jeremy obama also said america's world styling is the highest in years and old alliances a struggle obviously is going to pick up his part overseas going to pick up a position now if he wanted to run for office but do you agree with that assessment
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i'm thinking for instance you're based in britain britain has one of america's oldest are lies. well indeed britain is very close in the military and political sense of the united states and bush was extraordinary popular all around the world including in this country there was enormous goodwill towards barack obama when he came here he was very well received but quite honestly the rhetoric of obama and the soaring off of obama doesn't fit in with the reality of his presidency as i said before is still open he's proposing another generation of weapons they're proposing continuing to increase military expenditure around the world and now the threat with iran and i just really wonder where all this leads to more briefly what we think america's standing. in america's standing around the world is low because of guantanamo ok i just want to ask. one other subject in the last thirty seconds
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we got into syria looking at where things may go he also mentions syria saying that the assad regime will soon discover quote that the forces of change of course the arab spring cannot be reversed does that seal assad's fate. i think unfortunately it looks to me as though they're building up for some kind of military intervention i think they will try and use proxy parties to attack iran as is happening at the present time and i think the maybe a danger to use will proxy force in syria yes i want human rights yes i want democracy but yes i think the people of the country who should decide their own future. rights and not nato not the west i'm sure we call them very grateful sort some of it against the number of the stop the war coalition are joining us in london. coming up soon on this channel keep the business world's top tier ticking along the world's economic elite set out to tackle the eurozone recession and make some profit along the way while those worst hit by financial troubles for themselves locked up as we report. next tens of thousands of egyptians are in
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cairo right now connacht area square to mark a year since the uprising that toppled president mubarak but there's another reason . almost thirty years of emergency rule is partially been lifted of some key police powers will remain as we've been reporting over the last twenty four hours as cut. for us this a very good evening to you we're seeing thousands of people in tahrir square again the year wrong but it's more of a frustration than celebration isn't it phyllis said. right in the lifting of that emergency room or at least partially is not going to be enough for these tens of thousands of protesters that have come to talk we are just want to step out of the site and give you an idea of how packed this is where is this for them is of course where it all started tens of thousands of people if not hundreds of thousands in fact talk near is packed to its max hundreds of people cannot get onto the square and in fact there are reports from the egyptian health ministry that some eighty
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six people were injured when one of the stages collapsed and dozens of those people were taken to hospital which just reports for now i was just on the square and it did seem like things were very calm but people extremely for us. freighted extremely passionate and really sick of the fact that the what they say is their original goal for this revolution was to take down the regime and their goal is still very much just that to take down the regime they do not want the army running their country although the military rulers have made some concessions it is just not enough for these people these are most certainly people are on top here today will say the biggest protests since the fall of mubarak and what we're hearing people will not give up until this regime comes down as well my colleague maria from notion has been speaking to people now take a closer look at why for egyptians the revolution is still very much alive. a year after its historic revolution egypt is spawn from calm protests have become
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a part of everyday life and no longer an event one of the revolutionists most significant achievements. we could never believe would come out and speak out like this there are several reasons for egypt's people to take out to the streets following the uprising that ousted mubarak last february the country's economy is struggling unemployment is at its highest in decades and while the newly elected islam is dominated parliament debates the country's future resentment grows against michiru and the feeling they hijacked the revolution possibility we want them to do what military should do to protect its citizens and the country. no one really wants to be sure that there will not destroy our of lucian's achievements they betrayed us. the military dominated egypt's politics since the fall of the monarchy sixty years ago some skeptics say the twenty eleven revolution did little to change
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this trend when mubarak toppled down people welcomed the supreme council of the armed forces to lead the transition but the initial euphoria began to fade when the military council was still in place six months later after one bloody crackdown on peaceful protesters after another claiming at least eighty lives since october there isn't any doubt left here scoff should go voices of the protesters against it louder but fear isn't growing as well that they may never be heard. and to scoff a scary cuz aboon arabic or army lawyers campaign they work to reveal the army's wrongdoings between our female activists attacking field hospitals and conspiracy theories under the military council twelve thousand people have been brought to military trials that against less than two thousand and mubarak's thirty years i
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believe that there are life i believe that we don't want them anywhere here in this chair that's what i believe and what's and that's what most of what all i know believe and we will work whatever happens scott claim it to leave when the new president is elected in june but if you believe the promises that once were broken so easily some also fear that the generals may stay on behind the scenes reluctance to relinquish the power they've had for decades with protests pushing them to leave though one thing is clear the fight is not yet over notional ati cairo. well we invite you to head to r.t. dot com for the latest from egypt as well as thoughts on what the revolutions really brought there why you're online you might be interested in these stories as well on our web site us tightening the noose around net freedom but america's former spy chief has come clean about cyber snooping and even digital attacks in other countries really interesting read on line from us tonight you know court.
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