press the brother press the brotherhood on some of these issues you know bradley if i can be kind of change gears here i mean i was reading some interesting analysis about the revolution when you're on and one writer put it this way is that you know the people that started this revolution they have themselves to blame because all they had one demand is getting getting rid of mubarak and that was more or less that and once you got that you didn't have any leaders you didn't really have an agenda and this is one of the reasons why the look at the revolution has drifted because you have other forces that have come into play waiting out departure and then they can fill the gap because as we know the muslim brotherhood was supportive of the protesters but they weren't really involved and they made sure that there were no religious banners on the square and things like that they played a very low profile. role in all of this and now we see things have changed very differently the liberal parties did very badly in the election so it's still very much a wild card where this can go and we may be more than anything else we'll see a form of islamic democracy and not

a liberal democracy. well look you can fool some of the people some of the time if if there is a deal being made by the military and accommodation it's got to be one that the people except the people have tremendous distrust of the military and if the military doesn't stand down and not to let the political parties and the and the power of the political parties and power rise to the occasion and the people feel that they're being governed by a civilian authority i think they're going to be more protests so i think the muslim brotherhood are fooling themselves if they can make an accommodation with the military that the people will reject they have a golden opportunity now they had free and fair elections to get where they are today if they have free and fair elections for president they're well on their way to having a stable secure and friendly government not just to the west but to all freedom loving countries and so the ball is in their hands but the military cannot be the

person behind the curtain the people of egypt won't stand for it. david you know in looking at it and one public opinion poll result after another one of the most unpopular countries in egypt today is the united states because of its role in dealing with the dictator ship dictatorship for thirty years that's not changing either that hasn't changed since the the revolution a year ago if the muslim brotherhood and other islamic that were elected if they follow the people's will it will be a very chilly relationship with the united states and as we brought up earlier possibly revoking the peace treaty with israel. sure well i mean you know some of the most iconic images from from the revolution are protesters picking up tear gas canisters and seeing you know the made in america and that sort of emblematic of the kind of military support that the u.s. gave to egypt over the years i think if you step back from public opinion and you

look at what happened after the revolution started you could make an argument that american leverage played a role in getting mubarak to step aside but i don't think we should expect that to be this sort of like dominant paradigm in egypt where the we do have a very we are held in very low esteem our foreign policy not americans themselves the foreign policy is held in very low esteem and i don't think that really going to change until something changes on the israeli palestinian front. and that's not something that the u.s. can control in egypt it's not something that the brotherhood can really do anything about that's a larger geo strategic issue that's really dragging down american popularity throughout the region because we are i think rightly seen as backing the israelis even though there's a much chillier relationship between the obama administration and israel right now still the sort of basic contours of that relationship are still there it's very obvious to egyptians and the big thing is that egyptians no longer want to be

complicit in forcing this bargain you know they don't want to be complicit in shutting off the gaza strip and blockading it they want to see their leadership take a bit more of an independent stance towards the united states and towards the israelis . and i think if that happens you might see some i mean i resent the offer to you know australia dissipate just a bit go ahead bradley jump in. ok number one is the egyptians have to realize they have enough problems of their own they shouldn't be straying into bilateral relations and causing fights and disruptions beyond their own borders they have an internal struggle now and they should they should work within before looking with out number two is how are they going to react with iran and their threats to close the straits of hormuz are they going to inject themselves in matters that are really extraneous to their own position and number three if the united states wants to ingratiate themselves with the egyptian people

what they've got to do is we've got to offer humanitarian aid we've got to offer loans and services to the egyptian people and not so much you know look up the government but i'm very much if you take it on their side you know they and we wish nothing but the best for them but well i don't i think most egyptians don't believe that ok after thirty years it's hard for them to believe that the last twelve months hasn't changed and i think that's why we've got a lot of work to do now a lot to believe what are these real intentions if you just leave egypt alone completely and let them decide for themselves let them decide their own foreign policy if they want to tear up the peace treaty with israel i shall be there and i mean if you're saying there is an object ourselves it should be there is politics but there's a lot of humanitarian relief that we can help on and that's the kind of work we should be doing ok well i mean if i could stay with you bradley i mean the eight i think you are i think you know it is the right right now it's david jump in go ahead i mean the reality is right now it's not it's not going to be strictly humanitarian aid because there's

a real concern about what's going to happen with the peace treaty and things like that and i think if the brotherhood were to take power and win the presidency of this would be a real test of the degree to which the military is still exerting its control through some kind of invisible hand in the background and i think any extent to which the us the scene is cooperating with the military behind the scenes. to prevent elected leadership from making foreign policy changes is definitely not going to do anything for our popularity i think no matter how much humanitarian aid we send the reality is that these larger issues related to israel palestine are always going to trump whatever we do on the ground because those will be more micro-level initiatives and they won't get the same kind of press attention so i agree that we should be doing that but on the other hand i think that we do have to allow the new elected leadership to kind of steer its foreign policy maybe not into a into a direction where we're going to have a confrontation over israel but in

a way to allow the government to flex its independence to show the egyptian people that they are in fact in charge of their own affairs and that they're not like the u.s. is lackey and so some way shape or form i think that's really important just for the just for the optics just for the theatricals to allow the egyptians the space to control their for their foreign policy because this is not just about the u.s. this goes back to british control this goes back to two hundred years of feeling like the egyptian people don't have control of their own foreign policy radley frank go to you what do you think about that because if we go back to the peace agreement with that with israel it seems to be either logic it's the other way around because of hard times because of the economy can be very easy for any government to say you know look over there you know let's help the palestinians and that would you know focus people's attention and in and release of frustration and again helping the palestinians in gaza is a very very popular issue among the average egyptian that's how it could turn out.

well look if they decide to look beyond their own borders and not solve their own problems we're going to have a lot of problems because we're going to stand the united states four square with israel that's the way it's going to be and if we have to deliver any message to the military or the new political leadership is that message is that if egypt has a choice to make are they going to start to solve their old problems are they going to get involved in other people's problems or have their own get or have their own foreign policy clear three far east indians to have their rooms and where israel then they're going to have a real problem with us well maybe the average egyptian wouldn't have a problem with having that kind of problem ok david i'm going to give you the last word on that you know the way things were they've done it before i mean i think that with the rock and a hard place here. the rock and a hard place here right is that the u.s. i think does have an interest in the allowing egyptians to exert some control over their own foreign policy but if if if they go too far in the eyes of the united states administration in the eyes of the west you might see some of this the

funding that's desperately needed in egypt that might dry up you know so the elected leadership of egypt is going to have this a real difficult choice to make about how far to push this independence and foreign policy i do think that you're going to see a change in tone i think that elected leadership is going to push back against american foreign policy and israeli foreign policy and he's going to see run out of time we'll see where many thanks to my guest today in washington and in chicago and thanks to our viewers for watching us here to see you next time and remember.

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it cannot take tens of thousands of egyptians are again gathered on tahrir square to market years since the uprising but frustration over a lack of change clouds the celebration. karo people sitting at the top of your square saying once again they want the regime to go down to any any so now with more from the egyptian capital. just to save the economy and create much needed jobs president obama's reelection campaign in the state of union address. and all the secrets and show the world.

right here on our team. live from moscow at midnight this is our. top story this tens of thousands of egyptians are back in cairo's now iconic tahrir square marking the years since the uprising that toppled president mubarak but there's another reason it's a landmark day too as almost thirty years of emergency rules been partially lifted even though some key police will remain at his innocence is in cairo for us. as we get into the night what we're seeing are these crowds more turning into celebrations and something that activists actually warned against making sure that the protestors and these rallies stay focused on what they say is the same demands

they had back when they came out a year ago to push for the fall of hosni mubarak who said they want this regime to come out throughout the day now we're seeing more celebrations like i said in the night people kind of strolling around the numbers are dying but throughout the day we heard a lot of frustration a lot of passion a lot of anger i have to say i've been here several times throughout the year and this is the most intense kind of a protest that we've seen and if we just look at the numbers certainly these are the biggest protests that we've seen since the fall of hosni mubarak and what we're hearing is organization saying that this is it this is another sit in the key now is what happens because every other city and that has happened since the fall of hosni mubarak has been violently dispersed surviving military and by the police the people here are saying that they will say this time until the army lets go of power critics say that the army has purposefully created chaos in the country which might scare people into not coming out to protest against them unemployment is tremendous

now you have people who are still being tried in military trials a low tide has to be said the military rulers lifting that emergency law they have released several people that were detained that were meant to have military trials but these things are still happening a lot of people say in terms of the process we're seeing a lot more severe clamp down and what's happening is protests have become such a natural thing really it's not really an event here in egypt anymore it's something you see all the time although like i said today the biggest numbers that we've seen so it's a lot of similar kind of complaints that we're hearing about the army some of the things that we're hearing which we didn't hear under hosni mubarak is the fact that the country one needs a president that yes they now have a parliament with a parliament a century has no power that parliament has to write a constitution but these protesters don't want that constitution to be written under military rule my guy said people on top three are now saying they will stay until the military steps down. he exposed some of the world's darkest secrets soon

you'll get the chance to find them even more when the world's most famous with the blower launches a talk show here on r.t. julian assange has exclusive series will premiere here in march and the world's media is already abuzz about who the wiki leaks founder is set to interview our london correspondent laura smith has the details. basically we knew that as and wanted to wanted to write and host his own interview show and we made it happen the show is going to be broadcast on our t.v. it's going to focus of course on us ologies favorite topic control fifty two thousand and eleven was a solid as his name became one of the most famous in the world and indeed became a byword for for explosives control to see when he released the biggest ever set of us the documents by his web site wiki leaks he's going to be interviewing a series of what he called iconoclasts visionaries and power insider that he's going to talk about how to shape the vision of

a brighter and better tomorrow that as i say is going to be focused on r.t. and we are hoping that it will be as explosive as the release of those documents was via wiki leaks we can't see any reason why it wouldn't be hundreds of articles from all around the world local newspapers international newspapers everybody seems to be talking about this cause to twist despair in a light switch with rumors about the show's speculation about who might be interviewed by julian ourselves and of course he is a massive name but that's not the only reason why this show will be fascinating it's going to be filmed where a song has been subject to strict bail conditions things like signing in to the police station every day being essentially under house arrest under the spell conditions for the last four hundred fourteen days even though no charges have been filed the first episode is also going to be shot a week before his supremes court hearing to fight against his actual decision to sweden for questioning on alleged sexual assault charges so as i say loads of

rumors about what's going to go on he says going to be a new type of television of course he's no stranger to being on the other side of the interview is table i've interviewed him myself but if you want to find out exactly what's going on you're going to have to stay here on r.t. my lips are sealed so for all the details and the guests we can't reveal at the moment that the secret but we will be having exclusive trailers and previews here on r.t.c. watch this space. so we will laura smith there reporting on what telling you the guests are either of them or we have to stay with us ok in the times are just after six minutes past midnight back to our top story now the gathering tonight thousands of tahrir square in cairo let's talk about that with filmmaker philip ritz he joins us from cairo himself to see you thanks for being on the program a year on from the original revolution many say that very little has changed gyptian is must be pretty skeptical or guess about how much has been achieved what's your thoughts about that. absolutely as far as the system

goes the political and economic system in the country almost nothing has changed we've had ousted from power after massive protests but he was basically a scapegoat while the system has remained very much in place what is important to realize is and that's very much you can see today is that people really have changed over the course of the past this past year that egyptians are willing to take risks to go to the streets to demonstrate to call for change and this is this is often very costly over the course of the last year people have have been shot at have been injured we've had many many killed throughout the year by security forces and the military egyptians are willing to to put their bodies at risk in order to to try and achieve the change that they have they started calling for a year ago. talking to us we're looking we've just lost them again we were looking

at live pictures tahrir square they will bring about now do we go the full frame we've been looking at least pictures all night thousands again gathered. you know trouble people out to make their mob i guess one reason to say you know a glass is half full not half empty lifting of the emergency rule to put in place for almost thirty years but there's reason to be cheerful yes. honestly i don't see it as being that big of a shift i mean we lived under military rule for thirty years and that gave the government the authority to do just about what they wanted today we live under military rule so to me it's just a formal matter and that they they lift emergency law while we live under the rule of our military since the military took over general twenty eighth over fifteen thousand civilians that we know of have faced military courts and have had have received trials of anywhere because. six months two to fifteen years and

a formal matter like like lifting emergency law means absolutely nothing when we have a newly elected parliament that is still under the thumb of military. joint isn't it and will but. military juncture as you put it give up completely at the end of the day. i have a hard time believing that i mean they've they've tasted power they have massive economic interests in the country again this everything that's happened in egypt really needs to be looked at from an economic perspective in that there is a there's a group of cronies of one barak and his. government that were in power they've been moved out of power and there's a new group of cronies that are in place and and central to that group of power hungry rulers today are the military generals and they will not just let go and

hand over power like that without having guarantees that their interests will be secured all right philip those who thought their independent rights from film filmmaker talked to us there from cairo appreciate it and we're inviting you to watch invents unfold in egypt tahrir square our cameras still trained on that live events they are the latest live pictures we've got coming through now we're streaming in as well online at r.t. dot com our web site you catch up with as that goes on throughout the course of the evening and night. millions of new jobs manufacturing back on track the war in iraq over a bin laden go on barack obama said at his store for reelection and using the annual state of the union address to do it in office got the story. very positive speech as you mentioned set against a very dire backdrop where a record forty six million americans are now receiving food assistance some thirteen million are out of work and millions more have abandoned on the job force all together but of course the president is as you mentioned launching his

reelection campaign and touted a resurgence of american manufacturing talked about the sort of the issue of fairness where every citizen will get their fair chance to live the life to pay their fair share including the wealthiest sort of attached to the financial industry talking about how wall street will no longer be allowed to write its own rules announcing some new initiatives in that sense and really in some ways mirroring some of the rhetoric coming out of the occupy wall street movement although whether or not this tough talk is going to translate into realistic policies remains to be seen of course this congress is very deadlocked and there's not a lot of initiative for the lawmakers here to pass his agenda. the one you dispense with. and we need. security against those who threaten our citizens our friends and our interests well it's quite interesting this is coming from a president who campaigned on ending america's wars abroad who spoke at length

about the u.s. declining influence abroad and completely changed his rhetoric in that regard the toughest language was reserved for iran followed by syria and china on iran the president reiterated his determination to keep iran from going nuclear talking about how the iranians are isolated how there is consensus with the u.s. in targeting iran that's not quite the case moreover he reiterated that no option is off the table he also was a bit more nuanced in regards to syria but he did say that changes the president assad will see change in the air and on china he did announce a new task force that will be dealing with the sort of protection economic issues that will target china the biggest lie. laudatory remarks or force reserve or ending the war in afghanistan or drawing it down in iraq he mentioned that no u.s. soldiers are currently fighting on the ground there did not get into the fact that some fifteen thousand federal bureaucrats state department visors and contractors

are there and of course did not go all into the undeclared us wars abroad in somalia and yemen in pockets don and of course the drone strikes that have been such a devastating part of the us foreign policy when it comes to the way it's been received abroad. was addressed a bit more detail and i would need to national action said to new york good to see you what is happy days all round them for the average american is that according to president obama. well the speech that was given made a lot of references to the united states is just one country we're all together we're all pulling together and we're all sharing the sacrifice but in reality there are people all across the united states laid off unemployed food stamps are being cut homes are being foreclosed and the only sacrifice the rich are even being possibly threatened with is the possibility that they might have their taxes go up well i don't see this country is as one nation of all of us pulling together i see

this is a country with two classes in it there's one class a small ruling elite that owns the banks the factories the oil wells and then there's the rest of us who have to sell our labor to the small ruling elite and i think any any push for national unity is going to be sadly one sided opposed to the wall street wouldn't be allowed to play by its own rules or you will get a protest as a finally been heard in the white again what you think. well i think that history was made when people took to the streets in huge numbers and began demanding things like jobs education etc and i think history was made and i think the halls of power kind of cowered in fear what i would like to see is frankly i think a national jobs program i don't think hating china is going to create jobs i don't think you know forming a commission to further kind of maybe have slight regulations is going to solve the

problems a national jobs program like roosevelt did during the works progress administration in the one nine hundred thirty s. when you put millions of people to work instead of continuing to give money to the bankers that they put gave people jobs doing useful work all throughout this country that would be a great a great victory and you know again i don't think change comes from you know one politician or other i think change comes from people being in the streets in huge numbers and making demands on the ruling elites and i think occupy wall street is a fine example of that i know you specialize in a run you got to. talk about it is pressure building with the. u.s. defense department nonetheless admitted that they don't think is building nuclear weapons at the moment at least but still putting on the pressure was. well it it's really tragic the speech made a lot of references to tyranny and a love of democracy but this is coming at the same time the u.s. continues to fund saudi arabia which is committing crimes against the people and

continues to get u.s. funds at the same time the u.s. is funding the egyptian military which is which is repressing the movement that brought down mubarak you know the u.s. supports supports all kinds of tyrants all over the world that support its agenda and economically you know benefit the ruling elite of the united states the oil companies and then the speech spoke of libya as if what happened in libya was a great victory for the libyan people it was a disaster the libyan people prior to this conflict had had the highest life expectancy on the african continent the oil wealth was used to provide education and health care for the people of libya and now libya has been had its infrastructure destroyed by nato bombs and and the people there are in misery a country was destroyed i don't i don't view that as a great advance and the situation with iran again you know sanctions are not going to help the iranian people i mean people starve to death and sanctions that was what happened to iraq prior to the invasion that that should not be considered a victory i guess is going to shoot yourself in the foot as well because the

international monetary fund warned that the sanctions on an oil embargo in iran would raise the old prices but. so what does europe in the us want to keep pushing was going to. add to the big cost to move the puck is. well like i said you know the united states is run by a small ruling elite and this ruling elite wants to reprocess from the people of the world and continue to live at the expense of the rest of humanity those of us who have to sell our labor to survive the working class and at this point iran is a country that has not followed the orders of the ruling elites in washington d.c. and so iran has been put on their enemies list and they are seeking to isolate iran and threaten iran with war because of the crime the crime that iran is using its oil for iranians and not for washington d.c. and not for the wall street oil companies very good to have you on the program. the international action center in new york. the will business to said so.