sullivan lot of president obama gave a speech about it the night it happened here mind of congress and the entire country quite a few times in his state of the union address just this week so it's one of the biggest successes of the administration likes to claim in that light how they're feeling these videos or these photos do any damage to national security this is by no means something that is a secret and personally i think a little bit of proof would be nice and so just get a load of what argument the justice department is making now to continue the excessive secrecy so they have filed papers asking a federal judge to rule against judicial watch saying if the cia's drone program which technically the cia doesn't acknowledge is also one of those things that everybody knows about and despite the fact that everybody knows about it they continue to keep it a secret and continue not to let out any details including the number of civilian deaths because if they did release any of the details to the public on a program with the public already knows about it would still risk jeopardizing national security let me give you their exact statement here it goes as follows the

fact of the public may already speak freely of the existence of drones or speculate openly that such a program may be directed in part or in whole by the cia does not in masculine eight the cia's warnings of harm were forced to acknowledge officially the existence or nonexistence of requested records di really hoping that the rest of you out there pick up on the absurdity of such an argument but the problem is that we see the same argument being made all the time the way the state department refuses to declassify the state department cables even though they've been released in full for all to see by wiki leaks the same thing was done with the pentagon papers which are only last year forty years after being published in newspapers technically declassified so what's the point of keeping something classified or secret if everybody already knows about it it defies logic it's become an obsession it's an addictive habit of the government just can't seem to break and now while at times it can seem so ludicrous that it just makes you want to laugh about it we have to remember that it's also a very day. and

a very toxic path to be heading down because you see the more the government gets away with things like this the more they're going to keep us in the dark and while some out there might try to argue that these are classified missions and there are some things that need to remain secret which i think most anyone would agree with we have to look specifically at what it is that they're applying this argument to the use of drones that's something that needs more public debate not only is there a legal gray area to be applied but the more rally the ethics of firing from thousands of miles away and not disclosing it to the public who exactly was it was killed or caught in the crossfire that's questionable especially when drone strikes so often shape public opinion in other countries when women children neighbors are killed and yet we have no idea what's being done in our name so let's just let this be a reminder another example for you of how far the secrecy obsession is really extending hopefully the judge is going to rule against the justice department and for judicial watch for transparency and for honesty but if the government's done it so many times before they want to stop the judge from letting them do it again.

hi guys it's time for a happy hour joining me this evening is r.t. web writer andrew blake and the reason foundation's anthony rand as oh thanks for joining me guys you're already feeling i don't know what you're so upset about we're not i did i did hear there ok ok so thanks for being a masculine with his little friends would sort of ask you hearing about the mercury was from scotch next time i would like ok. ok let's move on to something a lot more fun. whatever as if having the death penalty and being one of the law and speaking us here in the country that still has this really archaic and like horrible way of killing people isn't enough this north carolina politician. wants

to bring back public hangings just take a listen he said we need to make the death penalty a real deterrent again by actually carrying it out every appeal that can be made out to be made at one time not in a serial manner if murderers and i would include abortionists rapists and kidnappers as well are actually executed it will at least have the deterrent effect upon that for my money we should go back to public hanging hangings which would be more of a deterrent to others as well. yeah absolutely incredibly horrifically unimaginable if he really wants to attack you know absolute you know most of his you know hated rivals people he thinks just hanging that's the best you can come up with what would you suggest i mean how do you know he's very clever murder and we need to guard against you know the hunger games probably would be you know at least a start you know all that's been done you know don't hold back how would you kill someone you know this is you i'm not that dark inside my feet but i feel like with questions you have something and i feel like you've thought about this before no no no but other people have like down the down the coast in florida congressman last

year said that they should bring back the firing squad actually because they don't have a firing squad in utah until just recently and there was a guy that actually chose it but this dude. just wants probably yeah. he said this is kidnapping the thing is legal hits get the kidnappers and hang them like two people get kidnapped still like everyone's had an abortion has yeah it's ok to hang the abortionist but when i hear it all right with me i think i'm dead i'm going to die i don't think that people still get kidnapped but this is this is. just. you know city folk not understanding north carolina like we're not going to tell you the value of us public hanging and you know what i was you know shape in mind and children and no way it's simply horrific and you know i guess were missed the whole kidnapping epidemic of north carolina all right let's move on to mormonism get so much better use of the letters are you going to be a lot there that are you know look i'm sorry that mitt romney is

a mormon. mormonism is a cold and it would give credence to a cult to have a mormon candidate. all right so there have been a lot of questions as to whether his religion might affect his campaign but now check out this story that gawker is talking about today which is apparently mitt romney's militantly atheist father in law was posthumously converted to mormonism by his family despite the fact that when he was alive he regarded all religions as hogwash i was there when this is going to died and because we can now this is just sort of the tip of the iceberg if you want to get into like an unusual thing in mormonism because as everybody who has seen the book of mormon he knows you have all sorts of what you could to be god of your own planet and nobody telling you that has the right you can only get to the planet if your husband gives you the keys or something and i did as you know that if there is no mystery that if we want to start grabbing like weird things and hold about people's religions and holding

them against them then we you know i'm a christian and we believe when we take communion that we are drinking the blood of christ and eating his flesh that's a threat i think you know the jews like to necessarily religion specific this is like oh the guy died let's just cover up his past for a political campaign the poor guy who is an atheist to save his soul they just want to save us all they waited for is it. dragging a chicken around your head and transferring sins to it as the jews like to do with the poor i'm not going to do or seeing any of this road is a second hand crazy art let's move on to something hey let's move on to. there's so much money. i have genital herpes and i try to be there in thirty years my doctor told me something surprising one study found that up to seventy percent of people who had genital herpes got it from their partner when they had no signs or symptoms of an outbreak and. i always wonder who the actors are that actually agreed to be in these commercials because

it's like embarrassing right to be in like a as a t.v. commercial not embarrassing ever and so now this kid you know what you're pretty is really angry kenneth clements a former student ronald reagan high school in miami florida claims that the school newspaper wrote up a story about s t d's with the headline teen stay quiet about as t.d.'s and they just put a photo of his idea on it with an axe over his mouth and so he's obviously filed a lawsuit because he's saying you basically just labeled me as as t.v. boy now everyone it's called me and he say i can't take a joke he's saying you can't take a joke like that's kind of bad if you're the one person that they made of body you know be the face of the story it's much the student but you know. what it taught me as well perhaps you were clearly a bully unschooled it oh sure clearly if this is very limited this is this is this is coming across as very much so you would just laugh it off i would i would think

you should be so i think i think you should you know i would sue because i want money because i'm a high school student and i want to embrace all that is america but i would also on it so i think he should step up like why not just start getting crazy late and have a bunch of protected sex and get it get these us t.v. so then he just make it look bad got him is that now it's making it so he can't get laid in high school because he's already has the label of s.t.d. boy so that you know it isn't just in your best i don't know i mean if they are going to speculate about what yeah he's going to get all this money from this lawsuit people are going to be flocking to him he's going to get these estes anyway so be able to look back on it in laugh all right let's just end this with a nice little clip of obama saying. that. was i. i. you know i really talk about his policies but a little bit makes me. anyway after that al green's record sales are shot up by four hundred ninety percent but we don't time to talk about it so thank you for

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you have the right to remain silent but how long you can keep silent is quite another matter especially considering the and and hance interrogation tactics the government uses these days we'll speak to a former cia agent who tells us why his interrogations days are over. champagne and caviar and a few economic issues on the side the annual world economic forum in davos is just wrapping up but what was actually accomplished or lester is in switzerland the latest blow out of the local mall because drug but now. even.

when your children own and in the land of the plenty children are the new face of poverty and yet their hunger pains go unnoticed by the government so how many are struggling and the number may shock you. and good evening it is friday january twenty seventh seven pm in washington d.c. i'm christine and you're watching our t.v. . well this month marks ten years since the u.s. government opened the prison at guantanamo bay and three years since president obama said he'd have a closed it is as we know still open for business with one hundred seventy one detainees locked up there the anniversary and also what we've learned goes on inside there over the years has caused many people to take a closer look at all the policies regarding suspects in the so-called global war on

terror there is one man who knows firsthand about some of these policies because he spent years working as a cia interrogator he served twenty three years in the cia worked on four continents including at u.s. black sites places used to describe secret prisons that are off limits to human rights organizations like the red cross where the most secret business is conducted his name is glenn karl and he's the only retired cia spy who gives a detailed account of what happens with the specific case told in the story of a man he himself was told to interrogate a man who he quickly realized was not the high profile al qaeda operative he was believed to be it's outlined in his book the interrogator and glenn carle is with us tonight in our los angeles to. hey there glenn thanks for joining us i want to start by just having you share what you can about this man who in the book you refer to as captives was he a terrorist. you for having what we certainly believe he was

a terrorist there had been a mountain of work done on him over the years we knew everything about them and the assessment was that he was one of the top half dozen officers senior people in a car and that's why we rendered him which in this instance most kidnaps is really off the street. i phoned over a period of weeks i was involved for about three months that my assessment of him was starkly at all odds with the assessment that the institution the cia and that in fact he was not the committed geodes or member of al qaida that we had systems to be and again as a retired cia agent i know that everything you write has has to be cleared by publications review board you essentially don't have the same first amendment rights that i do i thought it was really interesting that when you submitted your book to the board or when you wrote about in the board and many it for publication you decided to keep in the book the parts you were forced to blackout rather than just cutting those portions were showing pictures of the book right now with those

blacked out why and why did you decide to do this. well it was a debate i had with the publisher actually i was concerned that it might distract the reader and some readers have been distracted to get stuck or blocked out passage where really what all one needs to do is to jump over and keep reading the narrative flows they were kept in however to show the average citizen that. the censorship of my book was quite extensive the government legally the cia legally has the mission to protect sources and methods from being revealed that's a fine legitimate task i accept the importance of that but they actually censored a poem by ts eliot and a poem by roger kipling and a number of other things that were just foolish clearly intended to break up the story and well beyond their purview so we wanted the public to see the nonsense i had to contend with and again i know that you can't give the name of the person or

the specific region where this happened there are a lot of theories out there about where that might be and who it might be but more i want to talk specifically about some of these policies were you were asked to use from what i understand these are policies that were at one time considered controversial and too tough but under the george w. bush administration that changed some even considered too mild now a lot of what you were asked to do became known to be enhanced interrogation measures what exactly does the term mean and to what exactly do these techniques work. well i refused to do them frankly and to the extent i had influence while i did i stopped them from being used when i was able to there are two kinds of enhanced interrogation measures there are psychological and physical ones they're all intended to do the following the theory is that if you cite that this is the term used if you psychologically dislocates the detainee then he will become more willing to share information and more able to the interrogator will be more

able to manipulate him to obtain the information the way you do this psychological dislocation is by disorienting someone either physically you can establish dominance and fear. these are measures that were defined as hitting or throwing them against the wall things like that physical measures then the psychological measures are much more frankly important and lasting and significant in use and they play upon the five senses sight sound hearing taste touch and if you distort we all see the world through our senses and sense and have a sense of ourselves from our senses if you disorient those very quickly a person loses a sense of who he is where he is in the even how to interact with the world that's not hard to do it's a bad thing and it doesn't work it doesn't have anything to do with extracting intelligence it does have to do with breaking someone down i think that's an important point and i want to talk now about the larger implications of what you

brought about policies that are designed by the government that actually affect people human beings as well as the reputation of this country glenn and what is the imperative that people know based on your experience about some of these policies. well there are so many things first of all no american no one anywhere but certainly no american official or no american citizen should even be having a debate about the merits of enhanced interrogation or torture the fact that we're discussing this sometimes in supposedly rational terms is a sign of how far we have slid off the center of what it is to be an american citizen america is the antithesis of abusing a detainee for any reason one does not need to do it first it's wrong second it doesn't work it does not work and third it's un-american and has nothing to do with our evaluation as a nation so one should take that away the only people who have been involved in these programs who have spoken out there for cia officer myself and f.b.i.

officer and two air force officers all of us say the same things and none of us know each other and that is these measures don't work they're un-american they're actually illegal and they're they have nothing to do with what we should be doing as professionals or as a society like a lot of family people if they don't work why is it such a widespread practice i mean i can only assume that there's so much more than than i could possibly know about but this is widely used where there are deep psychological reasons why people will try to impose their will and in a lot of it comes down to subconscious frankly. efforts to dominate an established control the a lot of the measures are designed to humiliate and put the person in his subordinate position it's a power trip frankly it's not dissimilar to the motivations for many people in of many people in rape rapes not an act of love rake rape is an act of power projection and domination and humiliation and in almost all instances and certainly

enhanced interrogation accomplishes that it does not accomplish what it's supposed to do which is obtain information and i think people don't realize the war extent there's the domination submissiveness of projection of power and strength. behind all of this here's something i had nothing to do with what an interrogation should be something i always wonder about things normal and natural about intelligence agents could make mistakes they get the wrong guy they get the wrong facts what do you think why is it necessary that you know it's always assumed that they have the right person these techniques are continually used even when it starts to become clear that there might be some holes in the case i mean i think that a person captured and tortured that is innocent and you have quite a bit of incentive afterwards to be pretty angry oh anyone who's who is subjected to these things certainly has cause for anger i think two points are important to make in response to your comment though to my knowledge i believe it's

true also that the obama administration has formally repudiated and stops the use of enhanced interrogation techniques in fact the first executive order of the obama administration in the first day of its presidency was to stop all of these measures from being used that's very important because they have been largely repudiated why does one persist in doing these when people who know what they're talking about firsthand oppose them all i think there's the power issue and the issue that you touched upon in your comment which is gosh i make one hundred mistakes a day professional and personal so to you we all do that's not a problem but if one can rectify an error that involves human lives even if they are the enemy it's your obligation to try to make right what you've gotten wrong and to avoid embarrassment of individuals of officers and of policies and in a sincere delusion of what needs to be done a lot of this was just carried on as you say glenn you're one of very few people

who actually get into sort of the nitty gritty of actually what goes on in some of these black sites in inside the walls of some of these prisons and wondering why you decided to write this book. oh it's quite simple why in a might sound. corny but and it's not corny it's really profound i felt that this was my obligation and my duty as an american citizen i was an official i was a cia officer i was involved in in secret programs of which few people know and secrets have a general place the government i have no problem with that but when the program i was involved in as america's representative undermined the principles the practices the checks and balances and the beliefs of american society and our government and our laws and only i know about it if i remain silent i tacitly support it

and so it was my obligation to say i can bear witness to what we have done to ourselves so that maybe we will get it right next time that's why i wrote it has anything on a day to know this year but i didn't i didn't break the laws and secrets i was very careful to follow my obligations but it's also my obligations the system to say wait a minute we got this wrong i know your back books been on the south after about six months now has anything changed will anything change i think a lot has changed as i say the the practices that i was involved in in two thousand and two were formally repudiated by the obama administration. there does there there still is more mis understanding of the nature of the terrorist threat from islamic extremists than i would've anticipated now the we do believe that there are ten feet tall more than they are maybe they're only eight and a half feet tall so i think there still is fear does drive our perceptions more

than it need to but there has been some shifts happily in the last ten years away from the excesses of earlier all right certainly interesting stuff former cia agent and author glenn karl. well the world economic forum is wrapping up in davos switzerland now on the agenda for the conference of the global elite discussions about economic growth global competitiveness education technology and health today also a large focus on the crisis in the euro zone correspondent laura lister also the host of the capital account and our own financial guru is in davos she joined me a little bit ago and i asked her what's been on the agenda there and more importantly what's not being mentioned take a look yeah will speak to that point i know this is something we've been talking about that the official agenda maybe isn't as important as the unofficial one but today i feel like i was really testing that because the euro zone discussions

really made a lot of headlines there was a big you know debate of finance ministers and the economic and monetary affairs for the european union timothy geitner spoke about the u.s. economic outlook there were just some big news making debates and so the first time that i'm in the congress center to kind of get everybody's response to you know how they felt about the comment that came out on the euro zone and and that kind of thing they kind of look at you with a quizzical stare kind of like. what are you talking about you know i it's just i was the most important thing to people when i asked them what you know what is the value in davos for you it's all the same kind of thing larry summers says you can see more people in one day than you can in a year you know that it's easier for the networking dare i say i was a u.s. politician a congressman said the same thing it's the one place where you can see all these heavy hitters and network that's really it also c.e.o.'s i talk to c.e.o. bill gross of ideologues and said you know he's here he has this new idea this new business pre-fab houses for india and he gets there and starts networking about it

and suddenly out of customers and he's you know figuring things out and getting buzz and possibly business from it so that is what seems to be driving the agenda because you know everybody's the world sees what's going on you know maybe sound bites from these these forums on the stage and maybe they matter to the people that are on there but i'm seeing the view of that yes but but the congress center which is where all of this gathering we're all these people are when they're not on stage there and it's a very different thing what people are talking about and caring about. and i know lauren here recently i think it was just a couple days ago federal reserve chairman ben bernanke spoke and basically said the same thing he's been saying for years now that interest rates will once again be kept near zero talk about what those you're meeting there in dollars are saying i know lawmakers and others and how this decision that's been made time and time again affects this country. no one i talked to is very interested in the fed very concerned about the fed really talks about the fed when

they talk about the economic problems that maybe they're thinking about and to give you an example i did bring this question to a couple of u.s. senators that i did stumble upon bob corker and also chambliss who's a senator as well and i said you know if you can is proving as improving as timothy geithner says why are interest rates being kept at zero by the fed you know and their to their answer was over the economy's improving as much the fed's trying to help but then when you continue that discussion you know what impactors zero percent interest rates have. on congress' inability to rein in the debt and to rein in spending and those issues and bob corker admitted he said you know if interest rates were higher the congress would be forced to take a closer look at debt and spending which is a huge issue for the united states which has fifteen trillion dollars in debt and if really congress coming up with some solutions is all the u.s. has in store which is something that timothy geithner was banking on according to his remarks that the u.s. is in trouble not only because as the senator said that's not going to happen they're not going to agree on anything but also because they don't really have the

fire lit under their rear ends to really do anything and it's an they said you know i don't think that's the fed's intention it's not maybe but there's unintended consequences for everything and i think that's a big one. you know it's really interesting when we talk about the agenda and we talk about this conference in general as a whole it seems to me you know one of the reasons you're there to is to network is to is to talk to people in this business and kind of find out their story get to the bottom of it how much actual questioning of the scheduled speakers is happening is this just sort of listen and. or is there actual questioning of the policies in the system that's in place right now. that is a good question because there is a question and answer sessions and some of these you know debates and they have debates so these are people these are important people that are out there debating these issues but the thing that really sticks out to me is that they're all debating from a very establishment perspective heard.