what they wanted to me it's just a formal matter and that they may live to emergency law while we live under the rule of a military jointer since the military took over general twenty eight over fifteen thousand civilians that we know of have faced military courts and they have received trials of anywhere between six months to fifteen years and they've tasted power they have massive economic interests in the country again everything that's happened in egypt really needs to be looked at from an economic perspective in that there is a group of cronies of one barked and his government that were in power they've been moved out of power and there's a new group of cronies that are in place and they will not just let go and hand over power like that without having guarantees that their interests will be secured . the interim leadership came under fire from the u.n. this week of a failure to stop the torture of thousands of prisoners to international organizations doctors without borders and amnesty international say detainees have been tortured and killed in recent months and they also pointed to widespread abuse

of his supporters and has a very emotional report hopes of raising that the nato bash government can actually offer a new beginning doctors without borders no to go and do their job in the most dangerous and notorious places around the globe but in n.t.s.c. run libya the group has encountered a formidable obstacle they couldn't overcome burns through electric shocks and cigarettes heavy bruising and renal failure all these evidence of the continue to cheer of prisoners say the doctors and now after two inmates died from beatings the international group has stopped its mission in protest. patients were brought to us in the middle of interrogation for medical care in order to make them fit for further interrogation this is an acceptable our rule is to provide medical care to war casualties and sick detainees not to repeatedly treat the same patients between torture sessions the news comes amidst rising anger with libya's interim government

demonstrations in benghazi last week ended with the resignation of a high ranking member of the n.t. c. it started with the very beginning of the rebellion very beginning of the insurrection the second day of the rebellion and eighteenth of february so the african migrants were rounded up locked in a detention center and burnt to death and then peace expressed support for this time and this is part of the strategy of the west you know divide and rule and that was given the green light of the torture and execution that we're seeing now so this is a clear recipe for civil war meanwhile the nato operation that brought the empty seat of power is by itself raising questions. the high profile international team of human rights activists has been to alleviate to investigate some of nato that it presents that if it were with their evolution in the fronds. and there were guiding

the air raids and they are acting them and court again meeting them if you are mandated. to protect. that thought you are it is very very accurate in a way that i myself saw the killing of so many people in front of me my eyes i saw the killing go fifty one people in front of my eyes being abused was fifteen years old and while all sides in the libyan conflict are to blame for violence and violations the human rights activists claim not all of them have been held responsible for their wrongdoings investigating what happened during libras seven months civil war and the nato campaign to protect civilians this fact mission discovered again crimes against humanity but the goal was not to jog but to shed light on what happened and not to repeat deadly mistakes recent united nations

report has reviewed that up to eight thousand prove khadafi supporters have been held by militia groups in libya right now and with numerous accuse ations of torture and revenge killings throughout the country hopes of a new beginning for libya are fading quickly. r.t. and let's have a look at what else is making news around the world the afghan government is lying and reason to talk about in the coming weeks to start peace talks this is going to be the first session since taliban forces who ruled afghanistan from ninety nine percent still two thousand and one were ours to a u.s. led invasion the taliban has previously refused to recognize the government of afghan president hamid karzai earlier on sunday taliban have held a meeting with the u.s. officials in qatar to pave the way for the meeting. thousands have rallied in central pakistan to demand that the government keep supply routes used by nato forces in afghanistan closed and remains independent from u.s.

policy in the region speakers at the rally claim the us has started propaganda to persuade the authorities to do the opposite and become closer to washington has closed the border crossings to supplies for nato troops after the u.s. bombing of two pakistani check points last november in which one to four troops died. in france plans to be the first european country to introduce a controversial one that safely get highlights dancing in all its president nicolas sarkozy's his country wants to provoke shock and set an example for our the e.u. member states today to say the tax is opposed by the british government which has such a tired should be applied globally opponents believe the levy could see financial services and other business really paid from the huge other countries without the tides to save their money. election campaign here in russia it's where weapons that are on the front line of the battlefield and r.t. as you can see going to china has been looking at the cutting edge tactics being used to win hard hearts and mind. i swear it doesn't weigh on is that you were

right is it was that it was gray suits and ties and slogans cold out from the poor d m r the traditional election season fair but they're no longer considered politically in vogue. today's compelling has gone online in a hot new trend in russia. with programming and bloggers making fun of the opposition portraying them in prayer outside the u.s. embassy on sundays claiming they are connected to the us state department and the opposition filming funny cartoons about politicians made out of lego. getting information out there is becoming easier all the time but the internet is a very different medium to television while on t.v. it's enough to just look into the camera like this to viewers' attention not so

although that to me you are video reach millions of lines it's not a lot it just. it also has to be brazen and sometimes project a whole different image. it's no surprise then that putin as a character from harry puta became an overnight hit it's an industry doing the symbol. of i don't see what i see you have lost the stick with something yes they're going to. make it and you're sure that the quickest when you're going to do . propaganda but it will just be them. but i don't confirm it's up to you about you apart from catching images memorable catch phrases are used against those in the corridors of power opposition blogger alex enough while me was the first upload his shot which is tongues online a year ago he labeled the ruling united russia party of the apes and scoundrels

lose the insulting phrase and first appeared on the net but quickly migrated to almost every magine of all media in russia and beyond a year after the party won in the parliamentary elections and reworked the catchphrase felicity's a vote for the party of thieves and scoundrels for ten years of economic growth but the party of these in scoundrels united russia. the mastermind behind that video and state duma deputy robert proved his party can also fight its wars online broke out superpowers the use of being able to my aim was to provoke to preen reality darker than that is often i don't agree with such statements in my videos but they do work but i see disputing that russia without putin would rise why not give away your country your beautiful girlfriend to some foreign guys what will happen to the caucasus nothing less just give it away to you responding or

technical the videos made a very professional you can see that a highly paid specialist did it with good appeals to primitive responses but works one hundred percent first thought is that there is indeed no future without put but videos from the opposition are just as blatant. and now the whole trend of this election season eavesdropping on politicians and posting recordings online or those taking part in a massive opposition rally in december were surprised to find out that one of their inspirations himself described them in a phone as. hear from each of government. for your property or to convert your coach naive to expect blocking us from any side when we are living in election year there are no holds barred in this ward not even interfering in someone's private life or. a lack of privacy for today's politicians is already a modern day reality and with fifty million russians going online today about forty

percent of the adult population the future is predicted to be filled with only line political. pushing the boundaries of a virtual world without borders exceeding the gradual than r.t.d. . era washing off a wake a hair and i'll be back with a recap our top stories in just a few. well

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becomes a series of nothing. the mysterious sons of russia. welcome back this is the week's top story the league's pretty good measure of our nation's hold that service work and see reports of an outsider violence culture some of that could make things away. also talks between iran and you any planes have to resume and that international tension iran is considering stopping fuel supplies to the you wouldn't days as a response to sunset. glad to call for until the full face of the door open to gather with all this is resorting to. this marvellous traitors and the rest hydrate. unlawful national proposal to stop piracy as bomb plot

present color on to say that government disappear from internet friendship copyright protection. as the headlines for you right now get ready for hard discussions up next hour debate stay with us. you know sometimes you see a story and it seems so you think you understand it and then you glimpse something else you hear sees some other part of it and realized everything you thought you knew you don't know i'm tired welcome to the big picture. and you can. start.

following the welcome to cross talk i'm peter lavelle crude blockade and the turning off of the taps as the united states and the e.u. again sanction iran iran is also threatening to impose punitive steps against the western powers are we witnessing merely a game of chicken or a potential bomb taking before the advent of war. and you can. start. to cross talk iran and its oil i'm joined by john robson in ottawa he is a columnist in commentator for a sun news network and invited professor at the university of ottawa in london we have to settle me he is an international oil economist and technical expert with the united nations industrial development organisation and in irvine we go to our bankers our day he is a professor of engineering at the university of california irvine all right

gentlemen this is cross talk that means you can jump in anytime you want and i very much encourage it but first ok let's go to john robson in in london the you pushing forward july first will cut off all oil exports into the european union from iran and it is calling the strategy to avoid chaos in the middle east isn't it just actually the reverse this will create even more chaos in the middle east this is counterproductive and actually it really actually provoke iran into taking some kind of offensive move that it hasn't to that to date. well the thing is iran is already taking as many offensive moves as it can possibly manage the fear of provoking aggressive regimes is one that's paralyzed the west throughout the twentieth century with terrible consequences i think the time for a showdown with iran is now rather than after it gets a working nuclear bomb so why worry about the sanctions is there not enough there a substitute for decisive action but they're certainly a step in the right direction nato what do you think about that it's

a step in the right direction. no he's absolutely wrong they're not working on weapons the i.a.e.a. hasn't said that and it's definitely increasing the temperature in the gulf persian gulf area and in my opinion the u.s. congress and the united states government basically wants to have it at the certain temperature but not to boil over they want to have the tightening of the rope around the government of iran but that the same time they don't want to have any particular military action over there and so therefore it's a very balancing act that this point and that's why the joint operation with israel was canceled there are different reasons for that but certainly don't want to bring the temperature down to the level of simmering ok now if iran is good because it keeps the price of oil if i can go back to i mean but isn't that kind of dangerous i mean that's setting a a tipping point i mean if it's now you get to a small mistake and then the consequences are enormous go ahead absolutely so they

cannot pat themselves on the back because as you mentioned correctly it's very dangerous because one major minor mistake could turn into a huge problem and also as you know these wars can start easy but they cannot be stopped so it's a very dangerous position and people aren't usually the election purposes john when you want to jump in there. did did you say iran is not working on nuclear weapons that's what he said yes there are no reports i.a.e.a. reports does not say that maybe you know something we don't know but anything that is publicly available not privately or by the intelligence community the things that are publicly available and even the sixth intelligence organizations in two thousand and seven and eight on two thousand and eleven clap clap or if the head of the i.c. basically told the congress that there is no effort on the on the weaponize ation at this time ok gentlemen that's what he said you can find

a court on. monday so let me if in london if i can go to you what about this this oil regime that it could come into place why would the european union want to do and what iran is threatening to do today is monday and its discussion of cutting off oil to. the european union or the iranians doing the right thing or is it a bluff. i don't think it is a love i think it is a defensive measure they could force the only one to look for it somewhere else at a higher price because the global oil market is sort of tied up so trying to fly five hundred to six hundred thousand veterans which are imported by the european union will not be as easy job furthermore the gulf producers including saudi arabia are not in a position to all of said the loss of that oil because they don't have any spare

capacity to be able to provide for the european union so we are in a very. difficult situation with the oil market very very tight ok john if i can go back to you i mean really what this is all about we had tim geithner going around the world last month getting countries to cut oil imports from iran and most countries are not going to go along with it but what the what is really the plan is really about nuking iran is nuclear program or is it really about regime change for over thirty years now well after four sets of sanctions this is the silver bullet right this is the one that's finally to take the regime down is that what the plan is. well i think that that probably is the plan for the simple reason that the iranian regime is extremely of not just an aggressive and you know the idea well they're not working on nuclear weapons they're just building centrifuges in a fortified compounds away under mountains and enriching uranium and doing all the things you would be doing if you were building nuclear weapons but we can trust and

i would have an easier job because he said if he wants to wipe israel off the map mr first round of his war against the west you just can't afford to ignore that kind of thing but it's just one example of a ranch thoroughly of not just behavior in the middle east and people say well if you attack iran the middle east will erupt and chaos will be war going on ok off it the countries around israel are doing everything they can and dare to do to destroy israel already it's not like making the mad is a danger you know this is like oh don't make hitler mad you know he might get aggressive your question is what range of threats to they pose and how can we deal with that you know they told the americans don't bring your aircraft carrier back to the strait of hormuz the americans brought into said ok you feel like a naval battle you want to peace of us do you do it of course the iranians back down because they would have had iran and that life you know wanted the idea is i think we were down the regime before it does something terrible ok i think we've got to nato if i can go to you i mean i right before the program i took a look at look at a look at looked at a map of military bases the united states surrounding iran i mean my goodness

there's a if you can call the regime of noxious if you want but it's certainly being threatened by the west in a very real way go ahead meet our. iran is israel is one of the most powerful nations in the world per capita per capita if you divide the number of nuclear weapons by the population is number one in the world it's even higher than russia and united states so nobody dares to attack israel this is just doesn't make sense but it's rambling this kind of nonsense is what the media and united states and some other places is going on is it changing the public's view of this is there is no record of this iranian government be tough on its own people and not treat them democratically but when it comes to externals countries they have not attack anybody two hundred years when the afghani regime the taliban's cut about twenty ronnie and diplomats in missouri share if they couldn't even cross the border to attack them they are such a weak in terms of attacking other countries they are not interested in doing that

they may have proxy wars with united said israel and that's not very good but in general the idea of the centrifuges that are in a safe guarded site in the tunnels which you cannot say that about israel's the facility that is breaking bob this is absolutely ridiculous going back to the oil as your guest from london said the capacity of saudis apparently from what i have read is about three to four million barrels so basically it will tighten the market so much and it will impact so the iranian government deciding to actually prevent the europeans and bluff them and actually try to remove the oil purchases to them as soon as possible actually exasperate the economy of europe and it would definitely be a very defensive measure so all of this is increasing the temperature as i said earlier what they don't want in washington is the temperature going boiling over they wanted to be simmering all of it to november two thousand and twelve because

the obama administration needs to show to the republicans and the voters that he's tough on iran but does not want to have a war at this time before november. two thousand and twelve so that's a very balancing act that is going on and it's all related and one mistake will change all of that under some i mean london. if it let's say it happens ok that the european union cuts all imports of oil into iran well how will that are in fact the economy of iran will it break the back of the economy or is this just another round of sanctions that the iranians will just have to absorb the iranian economy is very dependent on oil exports the we've the whole world of. european union imports from iran will not very much affected the iranian economy however if there is an attempt to stop iran exporting oil and that could only happen at the united nations security council and i don't think

that is a possibility it will happen simply because russia or china that so we are talking hypothetically about defensive measures of helping the state of almost iran has the can really to mine this street over what it was and cause a blockage to various tankers however they will never to do that except on one condition if they were prohibited from selling their oil in that case they would take the attitude that if we cannot sell our oil we will stall all oil exports from the gulf furthermore in an act of defiance iran is carried by barrel of sample packaging the us the nor are insane nations in saudi arabia which are of the biggest in stations and their word and from which the nine p.

para sent over saudi oil exports are loaded. what do you think about that john my before we go to the break here i mean is is this what you think this is plausible that the sanctions will actually work or are really right this is just a political move in washington to please the israelis and please the republican electorate well i'm puzzled by it because the thing is if iran isn't selling its oil to the european union it will be selling it to somebody else that person will then need to import less oil from elsewhere and that will be freed up for the europeans i mean oil is pretty much oil and so if the same amount is going into the world market the same coming out i don't see that a whole lot of spin achieved now if you get into a scenario where they start trying to stop raining oil exports altogether and then the iranians might want to attack saudi oil fields this gives the west a big incentive for a preemptive attack if the temperature around that show and i know john let me go to a short break i'll go right back to you after the short break after schoenberg will continue our discussion on the future of red state with our team.

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and you can see. the full. welcome back to cross talk you know about to remind you we're talking about the oil embargo to be imposed on iraq slow. slow slow. ok i'd like to go back to john in ottawa i mean we hear in mainstream media and politicians like to use the term carrot and stick as if iran is a donkey or something like that but this carrot and stick approach has never worked it hasn't worked for thirty years why do you think it's going to work now. oh it won't work this is just the way that western diplomats talk to justify not taking effective action. so john when we had it would only be

a what would be effective actually going to war is that effective i think that's going to have to happen look mom would want to bring the hidden even out of a well by doing something spectacular and destructive to enemies of islam and this is what motivates him this is a crisis not of the old soviet leadership who for all their misdeeds were at least atheist so they believe that a nuclear war and death was an end in failure and many energy i think is dying in a nuclear war for allaah will get them to paradise what incentive do you have to bring to bear on him what carrot can you offer him to compare with us so you have to be prepared to stop his military efforts if i can say to him if he does something really dangerous ok now go ahead please do. then he has never said that he wants to die in a nuclear attack this is absolutely not true this is the kind of thing we heard from the ill informed irresponsible republican nominees like michele bachmann he said they was going to use new.