you know today my guest in the studio is. the internet today is the place where almost any media is available for free for content providers this is a problem that costs money to make movies music and so they want protection for their invest. how this can be achieved without risk freedom of information ideas so candid be a compromise or their formation battle is set to run forever we're asking one of the leaders of the russian. advocates com please freedom of the internet it's.

during the last five years the world has seen the rise of the so-called pirate party these are groups struggling to reform copyright and patent wars in favor of free transfer of information at the moment there are pirate parties in about forty countries around the globe some of the european ones take part in local legislatures. even the two seats in the european parliament most of the world's hard parties supported to see protests against the a.m.t. p.r.p. a bills in the last congress they claimed they were a threat to freedom of information and an attempt to introduce censorship. thank you thank you very much for being with us today well first of all i'd like you to comment on the situation that we see in the united states the draft. and people why did these laws why did the disk. of these it would provoke such an

outrage how could how could it change the lives of the ordinary americans if they if they're finally passed but only ordinary americans and i think for us it's very important that america now is the something capital of the world and what they do the. after some time with so involved for now situation and our life and you know the internet has been using something some part of internet and isn't on america and if the. agonized this and you to to literary and the rules of the game there it will be here and of course it's very dangerous that they dry step by step attempt after attempt to make this literary and control on the internet and we know their first actions. including the arresting of people for example in new zealand when all the silence saw or of course we are protesting and of course we

understand that that is another bit but you're protesting here you're not protecting americans you're trying to protect the russians we want to do it for the only everybody help everybody everybody now we are we are living in the world and the people who live inside internet they are living in the walls not only in russia or in america and we live in a new reality and in this reality we protect ourselves so if we are you virtual reality will in that you really see it because virtual reality is part of reality and maybe dominie to part of the reality to be this is the research here where you know it. may be not because the intellectual life is a life. in internet it is very important intellectual to write. to these sort of people it's not for us to tampa and it is not lost it is part of big between. grass root networks civil society from one side. of

this authoritarian people in states broker to. operationalise and of course internet manipulating structures which wants to make such a law that before court can arrest resource so it is telling these unused hellenism not less. ok well on the eighteenth of january more than one hundred fifty thousand websites somehow all to their web pages all went off my protesting against us anti-piracy legislation spotlights to me there has more on the biggest online progress in internet history . for many internet users around the world junior eighteenth was a day when their favorite web pages were blacked out changed it was also the day

when they learned two new acronyms sopa and pipa abbreviations of the controversial american anti-piracy bills the stop online piracy act so far and who tapped into that river see act the part when making their way through the u.s. congress those opposing the laws provisions have been written so broadly the big could eventually lead to some say ship on the mat and harm millions of innocent users internet giants such as google and you tube awakened the bills to chinese style media control the online protest manned some of internet's largest and most popular resources like wikipedia shut down for twenty four hours the next day peaceful online protest gave way to a massive hacker attack when the group anonymous crippled the us government and the entertainment industry sites a response to the closure of the populace. file sharing website mega upload

advocates of the online freedom celebrated on january twentieth when the us congress announced it would indefinitely postponed voted on so part and people the controversial legislation will now be rewritten in the hope of finding a better balance between online freedom and copyright protection but a compromise that suits everyone will be almost impossible to find making round two of the battle for the internet only a certainty. well you and your friends you colleagues are trying to fight the so people have bills to delay but despite the decision on the bills the u.s. authorities have closed down the apple one of the biggest biggest file sharing sites in the world so doesn't that mean that the existing legislation is enough to to to to to to fight piracy in the mail so so why do you have to fight the soper people

and why do they need this so people what's it all about first of all. in a mist right attacked in different ways of course with so-called people are it will be more useful to attack for them easier. because this is this do you it is a really stolen istic crack six practice tool because it is a field this may go up a lot you can point you can give it is the same as a rest. big market. because some people came there and. you know i would i would suggest to to compare it with you know we once i know if it's still exist when i was a kid we have these places in moscow where we shame stamps or exams we can we just just so you might even even the soviets couldn't close them because we were not

true. we would do it is it is really and correct but we must resist in this way in this when this way it is a big battlefield including by the way a russia tool because in russia we have a big troubles with these problems because some structures want to control internet and some structures want to for example arrest you or because in your computer is something. that you buy. we have heard about serious problems internet problems in china yes but do you really as a member of this proprietary do you really see any serious threats to internet freedom in russia are you serious about yes because we know some cases for example in carcinoid our region where some of the logical activists had very big problems according to them and no problems because their computers were arrested because

some product inside this computer was not. they have not only prepare us to have this product. in this way every single activist can be arrested saw can be put in courts more than the reality and of course we are against it because . it's not a problem of money really it's a problem of control what's wrong with copyright. what's wrong with copyrights for example i'm author and i don't afraid of if somebody can copy my book in internet way because my copyright for me is that my name must be mentioned if my idea is in use what's the problem of my being in this situation i don't think about it. so deeply that's all it is big big problem for me as an author. because if my book is internet of course much more

people want to buy it in reality in a short much more people because they prefer for example in the library to see in our variant so i understand that it is problem of we're a little farts of producers and i'm not their supporter as an author so you are not against books being freely published in the intruder including your own books i saw dozens of them today in the net for free but you want your copyright still to exist for you to be able to sell them ok not just sell them to on little said similar to what my main interest in corporate other author is i must my name must be mentioned if it isn't yours but so it is not my problem says alexander should be in one of the leaders of the russian i replied spotlight will be back shortly after great so stay with the guy.

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welcome back to spotlight i'm outgrowing arbonne just a reminder that my guest on the show today is alexander shubin one of the leaders of the russian pirate party mr shubrick you said there do you have nothing against your books being freely available in the internet but how

will authors make their living if their books are available for free i mean there's this is absurd really work of three ways very good for authors and for me as an author i have more than twenty books. involved in this problem first of all. is a mortar of trade and internet and all. trade off for good so which you can have in your hands and where a big part of people want to have books as a reality not only the text in in the computer for example i can say that our intellectual literature in russia now have. three stars and corp is five thousand copies a book and we have. millions of people and of course if my book will be widespread and internet more people want to wait not less it's first seconds for example imagine i want to write three books and i put and then turn the other three were

been wanting and see if you prayed for this what money i will promote. will work with this book more quickly now is that this is not so good and. it is free choice for people who want to read my books and without a need to total by the way it is directly of course it is more useful for me ok i want to ask you a couple of questions about your party in general will pirates the pirate party we know pirate parties in europe are associated primarily with for aiding for freedom of information and against copyright laws but what is your broader vision of a society you will live to live in because as far as we understand today under the new more liberal laws you are getting ready to become a real political party in russia really we are of course real political party with very wide program and now we are in for more concrete program of course what we

have ideas about everything has all parties all the real parties and our key idea is not this copyright problem our key idea is computer democracy and drawn in democracy we are for example in future against parliaments because we think that really all decision can be. real as in internet so so by ordinary people do you believe that the internet really is capable of changing the way politics is down six yes we are not right much and we are not extreme a left party because we have some elements for example of socialist ideas of self management direct democracy economical democracy some ideas of course of freedom individual freedom and we are part of a future and this electronic democracy this computer democracy can involve on

economical planning but it will be very free very democratic and planning indicated for plain it is a democracy and b. corporations democracy of course inside the state and we promoting this idea and we now. really make platforms for which are using pirates are going to explode internet platform and now our civil societies are rooting for their civil salvi serial console it's going as in moscow by this are you working on the platforms you working on technologies that will allow citizens to effectively control the government you know you me you me not doing the internet is really closing the gap between the government governors and the government is their right to control go what second thought really to vote for lor's ordinary

people must want followers not deported this is why do we need a pirate party to fight for these principles are the existing parties enough to include the don't in memphis they are very old for this they are very old no communist party annoy you do you know what i see nor. do they know it is interesting and these are there for all forms they are like feudal parties in terms of revolution they are for yet ok so then how would you explain the success of the pirate parties in germany and sweden does that inspire his because of this that we are only one part of a future i know this all the world in deep crisis in a passion nobody norse hard to go out of this powerful on the pirate party make program for future for future society and thus i would say i had no other

explanation my explanation is that maybe in countries like. denmark sweden germany people got sick and tired of politics they don't distinguish between different. the the the moderate left of the moderate right and the the so so so the pirate party is the only party the talks to people about something that they're interested in there and they're really calling for a real change something. if in this case maybe we would have majority but we have no majority majority of people don't like all the parties yes it is but we have no norman jordan even in germany you know so we really are all sectors now all sector of waterless who really support this new point of view new topics of discussion and maybe it's not majority but it is

a real daughters who don't want to have some fun not only it but they want a real new discussion only human shouldn't the russian president meeting with some members of your party among other people also the russian communication is through influential man in the field mr sharga live he visited one of your meetings where you gatherings will do since where you went to to which extent according to your understanding is he sharing your ideas or easy i think that. our states now have got a big lack of new ideas and what isn't the searching for something new and i think this talk about innovation all the time but i don't know what is it because we make this call coa don't want to what to do with this. to spend money of more severe good idea to spend money for them but they don't know what to realize and we know what of course this was

a. sugar if it was an official it was an official we gathered. in bookstore it wasn't our stuff and he said that or i went to buy some books all you are part of the body of her. it was interesting. really of course it was it was not only an incident and it was a real discussion and when main point of the discussion was there to reset we need now this computer democracy and we have concrete ideas how to realize it's also fears and that maybe it's very interesting but we have no society which want this computer democracy from the state society don't want and we ask why so you know people don't want free movies on the internet they want to bring. this is probably not now not the electronic democracy south in another the dawn towards the dawn. fluids or thing about they don't want

a democracy it will i think i think i would be on your side rather than a shovel of side in this discussion because as we remember most of the people gathered during these rallies after the after the last elections here. in the central moscow and in a zahara. the great rallies of the gathered through the internet through facebook through computer and it's this computer model is so it does exist these people are on our side now and we ask why you want why you know how you can know you know nothing about you people are people who are living in what they want and our this ideas of electronic democracy and free exchange of influence can make society more general more more more consolidated by the way now we have split society and nobody knows what the real russian citizens want from the street well

i'm not sure the internet will give us an idea of what it's one way citizens it is one of their always fires because internet voting is biased as any other voting probably and. not really because if you make through internet elections of deputy of course it is really it is a competition or morning competition of images and so on but then the real electronic democracy people discuss the lore in internet they don't discuss deep which is they discard the lot what's another this is thing is because because when you talk about elections elections of m.p.'s well it's like it's like finding a wife who's in truth very very few years all really are i themselves a spouse through the net because because we're not really it's all you can find something real through through your but we are members of my own partly because we are going to decide this election first. ok well. justice

ruth used to register your partly because of the word pirate you see piracy is something illegal so you shouldn't keep this in the name of the body will you stick to that woodpile or your age or drop it in order to become legal first of all the thing is that it is not according to the law because the explorer and their letter was that pirates are the people who. was accused in court because of burned it isn't in the c c we are not so you must. have some christmas in new york. and so we want to struggle to have a struggle for our name but of course we are real politician and we understand that our states don't think about law all the time. and we may be

can change one letter. and if we will be for example not a party. they could prove that we are this my realtor who isn't so lonely or for example who are then lower than theirs. said of the c.l.r. world only what it can understand thank you thank you very much it was a very nice talking to you in just a reminder that my guest today was alexander and one of the leaders of the russian pirates part and that's it for now from all of us here if you are in time yourself spotlight dropdown spotlight will be back with more columns on what's going on in and outside russia until then stay on r.t. and take care thank you.

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