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t i'll be back at the top of the hour with more updates the meantime a bring you our interview show spot lights were off talks to a co-founder of russia's pirate party about what the internet of tomorrow will look like spotlight is next. hello yellow welcome to spotlight. today my guest in the studio is. the internet today is the place where almost any media is available for free for content providers this is a problem that costs money to make movies music and games so they want protection for their invest. how this can be achieved without risk freedom of information

ideas so can there be a compromise or their formation battle is set to run forever we're asking one of the leaders of the russian pirate party that advocates promptly freedom of the instruments. during the last five years the world has seen the rise of the so-called pirate parties these are groups struggling to reform copyright and patent wars in favor of free transfer of information at the moment there are pirate parties in about forty countries around the globe some of the european ones take part in local legislatures and. even has two seats in the european parliament most of the worlds apart party supported recent protests against the a.m.d. p.r.p. a bills in the last congress they claimed they were a threat to freedom of information and an attempt to introduce censorship.

of the welcome to the show thank you thank you very much for being with us today well first of all i would like you to comment on the situation that we see in the united states the draft i mean the soap and people why did these laws why did the discussion of the. provoke such an outrage how could how could it change the lives of the ordinary americans if they if they're finally passed but only ordinary americans and i think for us it's very important that america now is the something like capital of the world and what they do and the. after some time with so involved for now situation and our life and we know the internet is basing something some part of internet and reason on america and if the. agonize this new to the literary and the rules of the game there it will be here and of course it's very dangerous that they drive step by step attempt after attempt to

make this literary and control on the internet and we know their first actions. including the arresting of people for example in new zealand when all the silence. of course we are protesting and of course we understand that that is another but you're protesting here you're not to took to americans you're trying to protect the russians we're immune to that for the only everybody help everybody everybody you know we are we are living in the world and the people who live in inside internet they are living in the walls not only in russia or in america and we live in a new reality in this reality we protect ourselves so if we are you virtual reality will if you knew you were realistic because virtual reality is part of reality and maybe dominie to part of the reality to be this is the research here where you know it. may be not because intellectual life is

a life. in internet it is a very important intellectual to write. to to the sore point people it's not forced attempt and it is not lost it is part of big between dresser. networks civil society from one side. of this authoritarian people in states broker to national corporations and of course internet manipulating structures and which wants to make such a law that before court can arrest resource it is telling these unused hellenism not less. ok well on the eighteenth of january more than one hundred fifty thousand websites somehow all to their web page it all went off my protesting against us anti-piracy legislation spotlight in the me

there has more on the biggest online progress and that history. for many internet users around the world genius eighteenth was a day when their favorite web pages were blacked out or changed it was also the day when they learned two new acronyms sopa and pipa abbreviations of the controversial american anti-piracy bills the stop online piracy act so far and who tapped into that river see act the part when making their way through the u.s. congress those opposing the laws in their provisions have been written so broadly that we could eventually to some say ship on the mat and harm millions of innocent users internet giants such as google and you tube wait till the bills to chinese style media control the online protest mand some of internet's largest and most popular resources like wikipedia shut down for twenty four hours the next day

peaceful online protest gave way to a massive hacker attack when the group anonymous crippled the us government and the entertainment industry sites a response to the closure of the popular file sharing. side. advocates of online freedom celebrated on january twentieth when the u.s. congress announced it would indefinitely postponed voting on so part and people the controversial legislation will now be rewritten in the hope of finding a better balance between online freedom and copyright protection but a compromise that suits everyone will be almost impossible to find making round two of the battle for the internet only a certainty. well you and your friends you colleagues are trying to find the sopa people have bills to delay but despite the decision on the bills the

us authorities have closed down the apple one of the biggest biggest file sharing sites in the world so doesn't that mean that the existing legislation is enough to to to to to to fight piracy in the net so so so why do you have to fight the soper people and why do they need this so people what's it all about first of all what authoritarian enemies try to protect in different ways of course with so-called people or it will be more useful to attack for them easier. because this this deal it is a really stolen istic crack six practice tool because it is a field this make up a lot you can point you can give it is the same as a rest. big market. because some people came there and.

you know i would i would suggest to you to compare it with you know we once i know if it's like this when i was a kid we have these places in moscow where we shame stamps or exams where can we just just so you don't write and even even the soviets couldn't close them because we were not tracing we would unit. it is interesting to me and correct but we must resist in this way in this way in this way it is a big battlefield including by the way a russia tool because in russia we have a big troubles with these problems because some structures want to control internet and some structures want to for example arrest you or because in your computer is something. that you buy. we have heard about serious problems internet problems in china yes but do you really as a member of this propriety do you really see any serious threats to internet

freedom in russia are you serious about yes because we know some cases for example in carson and our region where some of the logical activists had very big problems according criminal problems because their computers were arrested because some product inside this computer was not. they have not only prepare us to have this product. in this way every single activist can be arrested saw can be put in court more than the reality and of course we are against it because. it's not a problem of money really it's a problem of control what's wrong with copyright. what's wrong with copyrights for example author and i don't afraid of if somebody can copy my book in internet why because my copyright for me is that my name must be

mentioned if my idea is in use what's the problem of my being in this situation i don't think about it. so deeply that's all it is big big problem for me as an author because. if my book is internet of course much more people want to buy it in reality in a short which more people because they prefer for example in the library talk read it. a variant so i understand that it is problem of we're a little farts of producers and i'm not their supporters as an author so you are not against books being freely published in the intruder here including your own books i saw dozens of them today in the net for free but you want your copyright still to exist for you to be able to sell them ok not sell on little tomorrow to what my main interest in corporate the author is i'm most

my name must be mentioned if it isn't yours but so it is not my problem says alexander should be in one of the leaders of the russian pirate spotlight will be back shortly after great so stay with us go guys. to be soon which brighton. sung from feinstein friendship. means friends down time don't come. down.

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walking back to spotlight algren of in just a reminder that my guest on the show today is alexander should be one of the leaders of the russian pirate party mr shubrick you said there do you have nothing against your books being freely available in the internet but how will authors make their living if their books are available for free i mean there's an absurd really work of three ways very good for authors and for me as an author i have more than twenty books. involved in this problem first of all advertisement is a mortar of treat and internet and all. trade off for good so which you can have in your hands and what a big part of people want to have as a reality not only the text in the computer for example i can say that our intellectual literature in russia now have. three stars on corp is five thousand

copies of book and we have. millions of people and of course if my book will be widespread and internet more people want to wait not less it's just seconds for example imagine i want to write three books and i put and then turn the other three were been wanting and see if you prayed for this what money i will promote. will work with this book more. quickly with this is not so good and it is free choice for people who want to read my books and without a need to total by the way it is directly of course it is more useful for me ok i want to ask you a couple of questions about your party in general will pirates the pirate party we know pirate parties and europe are associated primarily with for aiding for freedom of information and against copyright laws but what is your broader vision of

a society you will live to live in because as far as we understand today under the new more liberal laws you are getting ready to become a real political party in russia really we are of course a real political party with very wide program and now we are in for more concrete program of course but we have ideas about everything it has all parties all the real parties and our key idea is not this copyright our key idea is computer democracy and drawn in democracy we are for example in future against parliaments because we think that really all decision can be. real as in internet or titian so by ordinary little you believe that the internet really is capable of changing the way politics is done all the politics yes we are not

a right margin we are not extreme a left party because we have some elements for example of socialist ideas of self management direct democracy economical democracy some ideas of course of freedom individual freedom and we are part of a future and this electronic democracy this computer democracy can involve on economical planning but it will be very free very democratical planning indicated for plain it is a democracy and. democracy of course inside the state. and we're promoting this idea as and we now really make platforms which are using now pirates are going to explode internet platform and know our civil societies are rooting for their civil salvi serial console it's an innocent moscow why this are you working on the platforms you working on technologies that will allow citizens to effectively

control the government you know you me you mean not doing the internet is really closing the gap between the government governors and the government is their right to control go second to really to vote for lawyers ordinary people must vote for laws not deported this is why do we need. a pirate party to fight for these principles are the existing parties enough to include the don't in memphis they are very old for this they are very old nor communist party annoyed you know nor. and. they know it is interesting and these are there for all forms they are like feudal parties in terms of the revolution they are for yet ok so then how would you explain the success of the pirate parties in germany and sweden does that inspire his because

all things that we are only one part of a future know this all dalton deep crisis in a pathan nobody nourse hard to go out of this powerful on the pirate party make program for future for future society and thus i would say i had in the explanation my explanation is that maybe in countries like. denmark sweden germany people got sick and tired of politics they don't distinguish between different parties the the moderate left of the right move the the so so so the pirate party is the only party the talks to people something that they're interested in there and they're really calling for a real change something what. if in this case maybe we would have majority but we have no majority majority of people don't like parties yes it is

but we have normal georgia too even in germany you know so we really are all sectors all sector of waterless who really support this new point of view new topics of discussion and maybe it's not majority but it is a real daughters who are. i don't want to have some fun not only it but they wanted a real new discussion i was only human shouldn't the russian president meeting with some members of your party among other people also the russian communication mistruths virtual man in the field mr sharga live he visited one of your meetings where you gatherings will do since where you went to to which extent according to your understanding is he sharing your ideas are easy i think that. our states now have got a big lack of new ideas and what. the searching for something new and i think

this talk about innovation all the time but i don't know what is it if we make this call coa don't want to what to do with this maybe and to spend money of more severe is good idea to spend money for them but they don't know what to realize and we know what of course this was a. sugar for it was an official it was an official we gather it in bookstore it wasn't our stuff and he said that or i went to buy some books all you are part of the body how is interesting really of course it was a it was not only an incident and it was a real discussion of it and when my own point of the discussion was there to reset we need now this computer democracy and we have concrete ideas how to realise it's also fears and that maybe it's very interesting but we have no society

which want this computer democracy from the state society don't want and we ask why so you know people don't want free movies on the internet they want to. this is probably not now not the electronic democracy south in another the dawn towards the dawn. fluids or thing about they don't want democracy well i think. think i think i would be on your side rather than a shovel of side in this discussion because as we remember most of the people gathered during these rallies after the after the last elections here. in the central mosque are going and zahara. the great rallies of the gathered through the internet through facebook through computer and it is computer margaret so it does exist these people are on our side and we ask why you want why you know how you can know you know nothing about you people are people who are living in

provinces what they want and our this ideas of electronic democracy and free exchange of influence can make society more general more more more consolidated by the way now we have split society and no one in north what's a real russian citizens want from the state well i'm not sure the internet will give us an idea of what it's what the right way citizens it is one of their always fires because internet voting is biased as any other voting probably not really because if you make through internet elections of the party of course it is really it is a competition or morning competition of images and so on but then the real electronic democracy people discuss the lore in internet they don't discuss deputies they discard the lot once another this is thing is because because when you talk about elections elections of m.p.'s well it's like it's like finding

a wife who's in truth very very few years all really are i themselves a spouse through there because because we're not really it's all you can find something real through through your but i know we are you know members of my own party you could never get us out of this election. ok well. justice. if used to register your partly because of the word pirate you see piracy is something illegal so you shouldn't keep this in the name of the party will you stick to that wood privacy or your age or drop it in order to become legal first of all we think that it is not according to the law because explorer their letter was that pirates of the people who. was accused in court because of bundy teasing in the sea we see we are not so you must.

have some christmas in your. and so we want to struggle to have a struggle for our name but of course we are real politician and we understand that our states don't think about law all the time. and we may be can change one letter. and if we will be for example not a party. they could prove that real this my real who isn't so earlier for example with the nurse instead of a c.e.o. you know what you can understand thank you thank you very much it was a very nice talking to you in just a reminder that my guest today was alexander shubin one of the leaders of the russian pirate party and the third for now from policy if you want time yourself spotlight drop you know what life would be back with more governments are what's going on in and outside russia until then they are party and take care

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