if you're just joining us a very. long from moscow time for your headlines now russia's foreign minister warns the un security council will approve foreign military intervention in syria but says moscow has never insisted that retaining the assad regime was a condition for peace the syrian opposition. with the country's president instead of threatening the assad family with. plans to expand the u.s. military presence in the asia pacific region. far on the philippines which is offered to host american troops in china daily and has called for sanctions against

the island nation for creating tension in the region. and this year's first e.u. summit exposes deepening divisions within the union. but. despite most members agreeing to fish schools that critics say is an affront to. democracy. now here in our. talks to the co-founder of russia's pirate party about what the internet. would look like spotlight is now. hello yellow spotlight. right now you know today my guest in the studio is alex song. the internet today is the place where

almost any media is available for free for content providers this is a problem that costs money to make movies music and games so they want protection for their invest. how this can be achieved without risk freedom of information ideas so can there be a compromise or their formation battle is set to run forever we're asking one of the leaders of the russian party that advocates com please freedom of the internet so. during the last five years the world has seen the rise of the so-called pirate party these are groups struggling to reform copyright and patent wars in favor of free transfer of information at the moment there are pirate parties in about forty countries around the globe but some of the european ones take part in local legislatures. even has two seats in the european parliament most

of the world's hard party supported recent protests against p a m b p i p a bills in the us congress they claimed they were a threat to freedom of information and an attempt to introduce censorship. from the welcome to the show thank you thank you very much for being with us today well first of all i would like you to comment on the situation that we see in the united states the draft i mean the soap and people why did these laws why did the discussion of the. provoke such an outrage how could how could it change the lives of the ordinary americans if they if they're finally passed but only ordinary americans and i think for us it's very important that america now is the capital of the world and what they do and the. after some

time with so involved on our situation and our life and you know the internet has been using some some part of internet and reason on america and if the. agonized this and you to to literary and the rules of the game there it will be here and of course it's very dangerous that they drive step by step attempt after attempt to make these sort of totally tarion control on the internet and we know their first actions. including the arresting of people for example in userland when all the silence saw or of course we are protesting and of course we understand that there's a lot of it but you're protesting here you're not protecting americans you're trying to protect the russians we are the only everybody out everybody everybody now we are we are living in the world and the people who live inside internet they are living in the walls not only in russia or in america and we live in

a new reality and in this reality we protect ourselves so if you virtual reality will in the realty because virtual reality is part of reality and maybe diminish it in part of the reality to be this is the research here where you know it. may be not because intellectual life is a life. in internet it is a very important intellectual ritual to write. to the sore point people it's not forced attempt and it is not lost it is part of big between grass root. networks civil society from one side and. authoritarian people in states broke that is certain is national corporations and of course internet manipulating structures and which wants to make such a law that before court can arrest resource so it is telling these

unused hellenism not less. ok well armed eighteenth of january more than one hundred fifteen thousand websites all to their web pages all went off my protesting against us anti-piracy legislation spotlights to me there has more on the biggest online progress and enter that history. for many internet users around the world junior eighteenth was a day when their favorite web pages were blacked out or changed it was also the day when they learned two new acronyms sopa and pipa abbreviations of the controversial american anti-piracy bills the stop online piracy act so far and who tapped into that previously act the part when making their way through the u.s. congress those opposing the laws there provisions have been written so broadly that

they could eventually lead to some say ship on the net and harm millions of innocent users internet giants such as google and you tube awakened the bills to chinese style media control the online protest manned some of internet's largest and most popular resources like wikipedia shut down for twenty four hours the next day peaceful online protest gave way to a massive hacker attack when the group anonymous crippled the us government and the entertainment industry sites a response to the closure of the popular file sharing the. side mega. advocates of the online freedom celebrated on january twentieth when the us congress announced it would indefinitely postponed voting on so part and people are controversial legislation will now be rewritten in the hope of finding a better balance between online freedom and copyright protection but

a compromise that suits everyone will be almost impossible to find making round two of the battle for the internet only a certainty. well you and your friends you colleagues are trying to find the soap people have bills to delay but despite the decision on the bills the u.s. authorities have closed down. one of the biggest biggest file sharing sites in the world so doesn't that mean that the existing legislation is enough to to to to to to fight piracy in the mail so so why do you have to fight the soper people and why do they need this so people what's it all about first of all. enemies try to protect in different ways of course with so-called people or it will be more useful to attack for them easier. because

this. this deal it is a really stolen istic crack six practice tool because it is a field this may go up a lot you can point you can give it is the same as a rest. big market. because some people came there and. you know i would i would suggest to to compare it with you know we once i know if it's still exist when i was a kid we have these places in moscow where we shame stamps the exams we can just just so you might even even the saviour's couldn't close them because we were not tracing we would unit. it is this really and correct but we must resist in this way in this when this way it is a big battlefield including by the way a russia tool because in russia we have a big troubles with these problems because some structures want to control internets and some structures want to for example arrest you or because in your

computer is something. that you buy. we have heard about serious problems internet problems in china yes but do you really as a member of this primary probably do you really see any serious threats to internet freedom in russia are you serious about yes because we know some cases for example in kind of region where some of the logical activists had very big problems called incremental problems because their computers were arrested because some product inside this computer was not. they have not only prepare us to have this product. in this way every single activist can be arrested saw can be put in courts in more than the reality and of course we are against it because.

it's not a problem of money really it's a problem of control what's wrong with copyright. what's wrong with copyrights for example author and i don't afraid of if somebody can copy my book in internet why because my copyright for me is that my name must be mentioned if my idea is in use but the problem of my meaning in this situation i don't think about it. so deeply that's all it is big big problem for me as an author because. if my book is internet of course much more people want to buy it in reality in a short which more people because they prefer for example in the library talk read it. environment so i understand that it is problem of we're a little parts of producers and i'm not their supporter as an author so you

are not against books being freely published in the intruder including your own books i saw dozens of them today in the net for free but you want your copyright still to exist for you to be able to sell them ok not sell only. to what my main interest in corporate the author is i'm most my name must be mentioned if it doesn't use what so it's not my problem so i think something should be in one of the leaders of the russian i replied spotlight will be back shortly after great so stay with the good. old. technology innovation all the developments

around russia we've got the future covered. i am. were shot four times in total and the airways were. serious the boards are still in my body. and those people should be allowed to defend themselves wherever they are guns in the hands of law abiding decent people are not a problem national rifle association. or group of basically retired military and. love to shoot holes and i'm sorry if you know that the bullet comes out here and this makes it go bang and if what's in front of here is going to die and that's all the training you really really need raise your hand if you know something's been. ok to what i want to philadelphia only the streets.

until about a hopefully we will never have to use the weapons for self defense but we should be prepared for the full class including the teacher assemblers. seventeen students and city and one of seven or so a lot of. games .

welcome back to spotlight algren oven just a reminder that my guest on the show today is alexander shubin one of the leaders of the russian pirate party mr shubrick you said there do you have nothing against your books being freely available in the internet but how will all three years make their living if their books are available for free i mean there's this is absurd really work of three ways very good for authors and for me as an author i have more than twenty books. involved in this problem first of all.

is a mortar of trade and internet and all. trade off for good so which you can have in your hands and where a big part of people want to have books as a religion not only the text in in the computer for example i can say that our intellectual literature in russia now have. three stars and the corp is five thousand copies of book and we have. millions of people and of course if my book will be widespread and internet more people want to wait not less it's first seconds for example imagine i want to write three books and i put an intern or three were been whining and see if you prayed for this what money i will promote. will work with this book more quickly now is that this is not so good and it is free choice for people who want to read my books and without

a need to total by the way it is directly and of course it is more useful for me ok i want to ask you a couple of the. questions about your party in general will pirates the pirate party we know pirate parties in europe are associated primarily. for aiding for freedom of information and against copyright laws but what is your broader vision of a society you will live to live in because as far as we understand today under the new more liberal laws you are getting ready to become a real political party in russia really we are of course a real political party with very wide program and now we are in for more concrete program of course but we have ideas about everything it has all parties all the real parties and our key idea is not this copyright problem our key idea is computer democracy and drawn in democracy we are for example in future against

parliament because we think that really all decision can be. real as in internet or titian so by ordinary little do you believe that the internet really is capable of changing the way politics is politics yes we are not a right margin we are not extreme a left party because we have some elements for example of socialist ideas of self management direct democracy economical democracy some ideas of course of freedom individual freedom and we are part of a future and this electronic democracy this computer democracy can involve on economical planning but it will be very free very democratic and planning indicated for plain it is a democracy and big corporations democracy of course inside the state and we promoting this idea and we now really make platforms which are using now

pirates are going to explode internet platform and now our civil societies are rooting. for their serial salvi serial console and i was in moscow by this are you working on the platforms you working on technologies that will allow citizens to effectively control the government you know you me you me not doing the internet is really closing the gap between the government governors and the government is that right. control go second to really two boards for lor's ordinary people must want followers not deportees this is why do we need a pirate party to fight for these principles are the existing parties enough to include the don't in them to they are very old for this they are very old

no communist party annoy you do you know what i see nor. do you know it is interesting and these are there for all forms they are like feudal parties in times of revolution there for all i got you ok so then how would you explain the success of the pirate parties in germany and sweden does that inspire his because all things that we are only one part of a future know this old world in deep crisis in a passion nobody knows how to go out of this powerful only pirate party make a program for future for future society and thus i would say i had another explanation my explanation is that maybe in countries like. denmark sweden germany people got sick and tired of politics they don't distinguish between different parties the the moderate left of the right move the so so the pirate

party is the only party the tanks two people the. something that they're interested in there and they're really calling for a real change something like what. if in this case maybe we would have majority but we have no majority majority of people don't like all the parties yes it is but we have the norm on jury duty even in germany you know so we really are all sectors now all sector of voters who really support this new point of view new topics of discussion and maybe it's not majority but it is a real daughters who don't want to have some fun not only what they want a real new discussion only human should the russian president meeting with some members of your party among other people also the russian communication is through

influential man in the field mr shargel if he visited one of your meetings where you gatherings will do since where you went to to which extent according to your understanding is he sharing your ideas or easy i think that. our states now have a big lack of new ideas and. the searching for something new and i think this talk about innovation all the time but i don't know what is it because we make this call coa don't want to what to do with this. maybe in to spend money of more severe good idea to spend money for them but they don't know what to realize and we know what of course this research of sugar for it was unofficial it was an official we gather it in bookstore it was in our stuff and he said that or i went to buy some books all you are part of the body how is interesting really of course it was it was not only an incident and it was

a real discussion of it and when my own point of the discussion was. we said we need now this computer democracy and we have concrete ideas how to realize it's also fears and that maybe it's very interesting but we have no society which want this computer democracy from the state society don't want and we ask why so you know people don't want free movies on the internet they want to bring. this is probably not now not the electronic democracy is something another the dawn towards the dawn. fluids of thing about me i don't want a democracy will i think i think i would be on your side rather than a shovel of side in this discussion because as we remember most of the people gathered during these rallies after the after the last elections here.

in the central moscow and in and zahara. the great rallies were gathered through the internet through facebook through computer and this is computer modeling is so it does exist and these people are on our side and we ask why you want why you know how you can know you know nothing about you people people who are living in provinces what they want and our this ideas of electronic democracy and free exchange of influence can make society more general more more more consolidated by the way now we have split society and nobody knows what the real russian citizens want from the state well i'm not sure the internet will give us an idea of what it's what the way citizens it is one of their always fires because internet voting is biased as in the other voting probably not really because if you make

through internet elections of the ability of course it is really it is a competition or morning competition of the. and so on but then the real electronic democracy people discuss the lore in internet they don't discuss deportees they discard the lot what's another this is thing is because because when you talk about elections or elections of m.p.'s well it's like it's like finding a wife who's in truth very very few years all really are i themselves a spouse through the net because we're not really it's all you can find something real through through your veterinarian your own members of my own party a good way i got rid of this election first. ok well. justice ruth fused to register your partly because of the word private you see piracy is something illegal so you shouldn't keep this in the name of the body will you stick to that would piracy or you raise

a drop in order to become legal first of all we think that it is not according to the law because the explorer and their letter was that pirates of the people who. was accused in court because of budget isn't in the c c we are not so you must. have some christmas in your. and so we want to struggle to have a struggle for our name but of course we are real politician and we understand that our states don't think about law all the time. and we may be can change one letter. and if we will be for example not a party but. you couldn't prove that i release my realtor who isn't so lonely or for example who are the new with a nurse instead of a c.e.o.

you know what he can understand thank you thank you very much it was a very nice start and reminded of my guest today was alexander shubin one of the leaders of. the russian pirates part and that's it for now from all of us here if you are in time your sales drop down spotlight will be back with more. on what's going on in and outside russia and so stay on r.t. and take care thank you.