real parties are and our key idea is not this copyright problem our key idea is computer democracy and democracy and we are for example in future against parliament because we think that really all decision can be. real as in internet so by all of you believe the internet really is capable of changing the way politics is politics yes we are not a right margin we are not a left party because we have some elements for example of socialist ideas of self management direct democracy economical democracy some ideas of course of freedom individual freedom and we are part of a future and this electronic democracy this computer democracy can involve on economical planning but it will be very free very democratic and planning indicated for plain it is a democracy and. democracy of course inside the state and we promoting this

idea and we now really make platforms which are using now pirates are going to explode internet platform and know our civil societies are rooting for their civil soviet serial console it's an innocent moscow why this are you working on the platforms you working on technologies that will allow citizens to effectively control the government you know you me you me not doing the internet is really closing the gap between the government governors and the government is their right to control go second to really to vote for a lower ordinary people must want followers not deported this is why do we need. a pirate party to fight for these principles are the existing parties enough

to include the don't in memphis they are very old for this they are very old nor communist party annoyed you know nor. will they know it is interesting and these are there for all forms they are like feudal parties in times of revolution they are for. use ok so then how would you explain the success of the parties in germany and sweden does that inspire his because of this that we are only one part of a future now of this old world in deep crisis singapore phon nobody knows how to go out of this powerful on the pirate party make program for future for future society and thus i would say i had the explanation of my explanation is that maybe in countries like. denmark sweden germany people got sick and tired of

politics they don't distinguish between different parties the the moderate left of the right move the so so the pirate party is the only party the talks to people and that's something they're interested in there and they're really calling for a real change something like what. if in this case maybe we would have majority but we have no majority majority of people don't like all the parties yes it is but we have no norman georgia even in germany you know so we really are all sectors now all sector of waterless who really support this new point of view new topics of discussion and maybe it's not majority but it is a real daughters who are. i don't want to have some fun not only but they want

a real new discussion also in the human shouldn't the russian president meeting with some members of your party among other people also the russian communication mistruths virtual man in the field mr shargel if he visited one of your meetings where you are gathering what did this is why you went to to which extent according to your understanding is he sharing your ideas are easy i think that. our states now have got a big lack of new ideas and. the searching for something new and i think this talk about innovation all the time but i don't know what is it if we make this call where don't want to what to do with this maybe introspective money of more severe good idea to spend money for them but they don't know what to realise and we know but of course this means that sugar if it was an official it was an official we gather it in book store it wasn't our stuff and he

said that oh i went to buy some books although you are part of the body how is interesting really of course it was it was not only an incident and it was a real discussion of it and when my main point of the discussion was there to reset we need now this computer democracy and we have concrete ideas how to realise it's also fears and that maybe it's very interesting but we have no society which want this computer democracy from the state society don't want and we ask why so you know people don't want free movies on the internet they want to bring. this is probably not now not the electronic democracy is something another the dawn towards the dawn. fluids or going about they don't want democracy well i think. think i think i would be on your side rather than a shovel of side in this discussion because as we remember most of the people

gathered during these rallies after the after the last elections here. in the central mosque are going and zahara. the great rallies are gathered through the internet through facebook through computer and this is computer modeling is so it does exist these people are on our side and we ask why you want why you know how you can know you know nothing about you people are people who are living in what they want and our this ideas of electronic democracy and free exchange of influence can make society more general more more more consolidated by the way now we have split society and nobody knows what the real russian citizens want from the street well i'm not sure the internet will give us an idea of what it's one way citizens it is one of their always fires because internet voting is biased as any other

voting probably. not really because if you make through internet elections of the party of course it is really it is a competition of money competition of images and so on but then the real electronic democracy people discuss the lore internet they don't discuss dip what use they discard the lot what's another this is thing is because because when you talk about elections elections of m.p.'s well it's like it's like finding a wife. very theoretical really are i themselves a spouse through the net because because we're not really you can find something real through through your. own members of my own partly a good way i get it out this election. ok well. the ministry of justice. fused to register your point really because of the word pirate you see

privacy is something illegal so you shouldn't keep this in the name of the body will you stick to that would i receive or your age or drop it in order to become legal first of all the thing is that it is not according to the law because the explicit their letter was that pirates of the people who. was accused in court because of burned it isn't in the sea we are not so you must. have some christmas in your hand and so we want to struggle to have a struggle for our name but of course we are real politician and we understand that our states don't think about law all the time. and we may be can change one letter. and if we will be for example not a party. they could prove that we are this more

a real who isn't so earlier for example with the nurse instead of the c.e.o. i'm aware of what he can understand thank you thank you very much it was very nice talking to you and just reminded that my guest today was alexander shubin one of the leaders of the russian pirate party and the third for now from politics here if you want time yourself but like dropping a spotlight would be back with more coverage on what's going on outside russia and so then they are r.t. and take care thank you.

this is yours the council will never approve bombing syria i guarantee it shows the foreign minister rules out use of force against syria to settle the crisis there but says that moscow never insisted that retaining the current assad regime was a condition for thieves. and the syrian opposition has rejected a chance for talks with the country's president instead of threatening the assad family with a brutal and bloody. plans to expand the u.s. military presence in asia pacific threaten to backfire on the philippines china call for sanctions against the island nation offering to station more american

troops. and this year's first e.u. summit exposes deepening divisions within the union despite most members agreeing to a fiscal were strictures that critics say is an affront to sovereignty and democracy . global news twenty four seven this is r.t. live from moscow i'm sure syria's opposition has made a chilling pledge to the country's leader they have a valid that president bashar al assad and his family will be killed like libyan leader colonel gadhafi saying that he's lost the chance for a peaceful exit fierce battles between government forces and rebel fighters are raging on the outskirts of the capital damascus and that's exactly where sarah firth is joining us now live here on our feet sara so with this uncompromising

threat from the opposition it looks like the syrian conflict is beginning to resemble what happened in libya. well there's certainly a nice phase of the crisis here in the country you're seeing an increasingly civil conflict evidence really by the violence has broken out for the past couple of days between the two sides now that's not being held by the statement by one of the members of the main opposition body the syrian national council haifa mullah head said that assad and his family would be killed like gadhafi now that's a very very far cry from the calls we had originally from the opposition for democracy and freedom within the country and certainly that's going to fuel the says on both sides really there's going to be retaliation and revenge attacks coming in this teacher and certainly that is a genuine fear amongst the people here you're seeing

a very polarized country right now and the dividing lines are really being too on you know here at the moment there's really a sense if you're either full oh you're against people really that moderate middle ground now is being squeezed all the time and very concerning because the calls for dialogue just seem to have been completely overshadowed by the very very strong aggressive rhetoric that's been coming through and was we've seen from the opposition now the member of the s.n.c. who also said that that opposition body would be funding and arming the free syrian army again a very very dangerous call and the west and the u.n. again has to be very careful not to repeat the mistakes that they made in libya where they could be putting in measures that could be seen as backing one side in a civil war now was he seen the free syrian army gaining control of certain areas of the conflicts not at that stage quite at the moment if you'd seen areas like doona areas like being inside if the free syrian army has managed to gain control

and keep control of these areas if that we can then certainly to seen things moving probably very very quickly that haven't had. yet but the signs are really that this is moving away from trying to find a peaceful solution a solution to the dialogue and towards an increasingly violent conflict not just are not just on the home front but the battle over syria is also raging at the u.n. security council now as members negotiate a new resolution on the conflict what do you expect we're going to hear from that. copy of that draft as of course the asking for president assad to hand his powers to the deputy now the arab league again to be talking with the u.n. that's what they had called for as well the mission of course being hold said as they said they failed to find a way to end the violence within the country that's all going to be discussed at the maimane now russia's remained adamant from the beginning that there no it's

going to be containing any types of measures that leave the door open for foreign intervention in libya style incidentally and we can hear the foreign minister sergey lavrov responding to criticisms about russia's stance. when you go to the news interview with him we never said retaining bashar al assad in power is a condition for crisis sentiment we said something different but it's not a part of russia's foreign policy to ask leaders to step down regime change is not our job the decision must be solely syrian only syrians all groups of syrians must gather at the negotiating table and hammer out a deal with the girl if the demand is for him to go and he doesn't know what's next we're calling the air force bombing we've seen that already and the security council will never approve this but i guarantee it.

hard part certainly this is a kick the can certainly this is a concerning to violence that have been happening as we've seen this this sort of rhetoric coming from the opposition body itself now it's going to be very interesting to see how this develops because watch how the opposition have responded how they feel they have increasing backing from the west as we've said these calls very very aggressive in a very far cry from what was originally the protesters point which is to call for democracy and to call for freedom and certainly things that they and the rhetoric and the. situation is moving very very far away now from thailand that meeting increasingly towards this growing civil conflict. with the sounds of gunfire and artillery. yells a phrase tests from the streets and the increasingly loud and numerous

international opinions britain needs to lead the way in making sure we tighten the sanctions the travel bans the asset freezes on syria can be hard to hit the syrian . the syrian case has developed as every side wants to push away the responsibility to another tossing the ball back and forth. in the last few days the situation has become so unstable the finding people willing to talk right now has present difficulties come of we've had tanks entering in firing and just enjoy poor we've had six people who've died we travel to the suburbs where some of the clashes have breaking out to try to get a clear picture of what had been happening here in the last few days when one is the stabbers of damascus at the moment now we were traveling to a suburb called entire we thought it was a right if they think it's a visit but we just received a phone call telling us that it's not so. at the moment the situation is so volatile it goes to show you really that you simply don't know what's going on in

these areas even the people who are living in these areas don't really have full grasp of the situation at the moment we make it into the suburbs job or using backwards the opposition that just last week had control of some of these areas have now gone underground so there was a funeral for a resident of died in the fire during his funeral people and his relatives were voicing anti regime slogans and called for freedom someone was shot dead during the funeral and we had to go and hide from the security forces. after it had taken to meet some members of the f.s.a. . the begins and some other members joined as well and there's talk turns to people they know he's just been arrested the meat changes and the atmosphere starts to fill so. it's such uncertainty right now it seems mistrust is rife. it seems sort. of convinced the free syrian army not coming closer to the capital

would be simpler now this is harmful to the cause of bringing peace to syria. everyone it seems is no waiting to see what if any outcome will be the un's briefings by the arab league having ground to a halt. to hold reconciliation talks is not want to be simply dismissed as many have already done they have do politically they have two political reasons for. feeding the complicated in syria i think they don't want they're not interested in the form nor are they interested in democracy or freedom was the government accepted the invitation received mixed reactions from the opposition they size of being in the past in calling for syrian solution to a syrian problem that has repeatedly failed to communicate no opportunities for dialogue and. running out fast. and with such desperate pleas for many

people here the opposing sides continue to make it clear they don't want to listen because the international action it's just going to keep getting louder. than us is and a constant in qatar from the foreign affairs committee in the russian russian state duma says that the syrian opposition is being told by the west the regime is doomed and there's no need to negotiate but i believe that the whole have had a unique chance to get to gears are arranging political consultations and most of this initiative was rejected yesterday by their position and the. reason the look there are no prospects to speak out of this regime because this regime is out of question really why because messages coming to syria from brought to washington from brussels from elsewhere have all this build this regime does not have a future you don't need to talk to them this is the wrong message and by that

message they want to remind you of to score political consultations and more school or elsewhere and this is how we continue to see clashes in syria you see blood we will see casualties weak teams unfortunately it will continue to happen not to due to the russian position but due to the position there you know that there are very very unfair position taken by the united states and their allies. and we've been asking what you think about the situation in syria and whether peace is still plausible or you can vote on the poll on our website our teeth dot com here come the numbers right now so far almost one half of you believe that a peaceful agreement is impossible because the west is determined to control syria but little over a third think that such a possibility exists thanks to russia's determination to avert a libyan style scenario thirteen percent agree outside support for the rebels makes war inevitable and the minority believe the syrian government will defend itself no

matter what. you're watching r t a u.s. plan to increase its military presence in the philippines is causing uproar china's state run daily said manila should be made to pay for creating tension and in danger in regional security america will also boost its presence in the asia pacific region by putting more of its forces in australia and singapore a strategy seemingly aimed at constraining beijing's growing power. at the international level the philippines know that the u.s. is stepping misty return to asia refocusing its military and security deployment in the middle east in asia pacific targeting china in iran the primary security concerns now at the regional level the philippines also see that the recent changes in the regional politics particularly in taiwan where mr martin to and to call

restriction was successful we were elected there means beijing and taipei would have more stable relationship more expression in terms of economic integration across the strait in the coming years and the footprints knows that the u.s. would need a more reliable ally in the asia pacific region so the philippines is reeling to lend its hands to today are broken for the kind of particular security concern the us is having in the asia pacific region i have already noticed there's tremendous pressure from the pm within china asking and urging the chinese government to top up for a tough position towards the philippines however i think the chinese government should be a bit more careful about these internal demand so i think the philippines is all doing that to trying to get the best interest from from this china and u.s. relations. it's so good to have you with us you're watching r.t.

and still to come on the program deadline in d.c. u.s. occupiers refuse to move despite threats of a vixen and arrest. the purpose of this was to unite in this space so they want to arrest one of us after arrest all of us visible message of opposition and defiance from protesters camped out in two national parks. plus london prepares to welcome the world it's a limp dick efforts to ensure safety you seem to be falling short of the gold standard. e.u. leaders at their first summit of two thousand and twelve were all smiles but the existing tensions were quite clear to see there was another war of words between the french president and u.k. prime minister over who is industries larger and poland set to join the eurozone demanded a greater say in decision making it was at least one decision made however with twenty five of twenty seven e.u.

nations agreeing to a german fiscal rule that would limit the size of nations pending they also agreed to set up a permanent bailout fund for struggling members your hand and found over the felt author of the end of the euro says there's a lack of solidarity in the us and some leaders are pursuing their own political interests. of course very big problem for the european union to keep up the unity it's always a question of national preference. coming into kalash or at least into some kind of coalition with each other and for example in france it's obvious that for president sarkozy the upcoming presidential elections are quite important and he uses the european platform to a certain extent to try to get some score back on these opponents is that the french presidential election race but there certainly is. at the moment.

at the european union level but also at the level of the eurozone countries where of course the dominos over germany is something that most of the other countries are. you know very. fearful way and the next hour kaiser in the states you take a swipe at those who orchestrated the e.u. financial mess those behind it in the first place. is the debt or be deader is a noun and indebted consumer who is only able to pay the debt interest each month so here you have the two pillars of society zombie debtors who never escape and clown bankers who never have to pay debt so the zombies and clones yeah wherever there is a zombie debt or you can be sure there's a zombie creditor and there's zombie central banker feeding them all.

not far off from the business news here on r t but for now occupy protesters have stood up to authorities in washington d.c. refusing to remove from tupac so despite threats of police action activists though are still preparing to resist with officers standing at the ready nearby and i thought he's liz wahl explains occupiers remain united in their beliefs so we are here at macpherson square where protesters have been occupying the park since october throughout the demonstration about one hundred ten had been pitched here the national park service has repeatedly slapped these notices on tents here at macpherson square informing protestors that they can no longer camp out here that means they have to get rid of sleeping bags and any other material which allows them to live here protesters are responding by paying.