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twenty twelve. hello and welcome to r.t. twenty four hour news live from moscow my name is you and to our top story now the un security council is meeting in new york to discuss a draft resolution on syria there's major division where the western and arab nations wanting president assad to go while russia is firmly against the use of force to settle the crisis there and more and that's when i joined live by marina port not who's filling the talks in new york for us hello there marina so a change of red tree at the u.n. security council tonight calls for dialogue and ceasefire not a military intervention so what's been happening that. that's right you know we have heard several members of the security council addressed the international body

including u.s. secretary of state hillary clinton and her british counterpart they both said that military and intervention should not and will not be used in the case of syria we also heard the secretary general of the arab league as well as the prime minister of qatar saying and calling for a ceasefire in syria and calling for a national dialogue that is something that russia has been calling for for many months now but this draft resolution that is being sponsored by the arab league and european members of the security council does call on syrian president bashar al assad to step aside and over and just powers to his deputy while a unity transitional government is formed in time for a lections now the sticking point is the fact that russia does not believe there should be punitive or coercive measures used in any resolution as i just mentioned the prime minister of qatar did say that. syria

will be handled in the in the context of an arab league approach and no foreign intervention will be allowed let's take a listen to what he had to say. but what's also important to note in this draft resolution that is expected to be voted upon as soon as this week is the fact that it also says that if syria does not comply with what the resolution indicates that the security the security. council will be allowed to adopt further measures within fifteen days or after fifteen days

what those further measures are is not it's not indicated and many members of the security council believe that that data language could open the door for any type of intervention similar to what the world star transpiring in libya now we have been reporting about russ' russia's position on the issue of syria for months now but i do want to let our viewers take a listen to what russian foreign minister sergei lavrov had to say about this issue take a listen. we never said retaining bashar al assad in power is a condition for crunch is something that we should something different with it's not a part of russia or a policy to ask leaders to. change is not. the decision must be solely syria only series of groups of syrians. to deal the demands for him to. call in the air force. we've seen already

on the security council will never approve this. at this point russia has made its position it's clear it is basically saying that it does not subscribe to a campaign of overthrowing governments and sovereign countries but russia does say it is could made it to finding a solution a peaceful solution in syria but it is has to be a solution that includes all the people of syria. yes merino we know this syrian who has been speaking so did he i have to say that. the syrian ambassador to the united nations did have a stern to address the security council and he did say in part that the arab league representatives are neglecting to. talk about. the fact that there are reports also does include that there are armed groups fighting against the syrian

government now this is a report that the arab league has come up with and has is supposed to deliver to the security council the syrian envoy said that that report in full detail has not been disclosed to security council members the syrian ambassador also said that these meeting is an attempt for some western powers and arab countries to distort the circumstance in syria that he believes many of those taking part in today's meeting at the u.n. are not looking for a peaceful solution or a peaceful approach in syria let's take a listen to what he had to say. you may want to go to the our observers there are there are armed groups using term of them. the secretary general objected to requests by members of this council to invite general dhabi of the arnold league

observers to participate in this meeting the reports of the arab observers was not sent to you as part of the documents but were dispatched from the headquarters of the arab league the decision of the arab league to go to the security council is only an attempt to bypass the time of the honorable observers i'm going to attempt to ignore the reports the reports came against the plans of some of the parties. now of course this meeting is taking place right now in new york city following ten months of violent unrest in syria according to the united nations at least fifty four hundred people have been killed and clearly the international community is trying to find the right approach to resolve the violence in syria but not all parties are seeing eye to eye on that approach according to one. being reported those sponsoring this draft resolution may bring it to a vote by thursday and if the text of this resolution does not change we could be

sure to see russia possibly casting a veto on. or an airport ny reporting there live from new york mary not many times . and to discuss the ongoing talks when i joined live by jacob the home founder and president obiang future of freedom foundation a nonprofit advocacy group thank you so much indeed for your time so conses u.n. envoy insists his country's calling for military intervention russians are present has just well he just done the same action opposing foreign owned involvement and they advocate economic sanctions but will they work and can we really believe that the western and arab powers don't intend to use new true force in the future. of course we cannot believe that i mean that's the whole idea of these resolutions that there is no matter how tightly they are constructed they will always be

construed to do whatever the u.s. government the british government want to do so obviously the main thrust of u.s. foreign policy is regime change we've seen the time and time again it begins with sanctions it goes into embargoes. but ultimately the quest is to remove a recalcitrant dictatorship install a u.s. regime even if it happens to be a dictatorship so this is another classic example of where the u.s. is good but other people's affairs when it really has no business doing so. the u.s. secretary of state hillary clinton as also spoken we know to racing washington school food regime change and let's now here together that will she had to say the alternative more of assad's brutal rule is no alternative at all. so do you think eliminating president bashar al assad will sow theor and crisis

well if that's the standard ploy that goes on here we see it libya we see it in iraq we see it in afghanistan all they do with this type of interventionism is replace one brutal regime with another brutal corrupt regime and but the quest is to get one that is loyal to this government so once they do that they say oh no look the people in this country are now free they fled in u.s. foreign aid they play like everything's fine we see this in egypt for example there are being ruled by a brutal military dictatorship they have for some thirty years the u.s. says oh everything's fine because it's our dictatorship they've been funneling money in there and harmless for thirty years that is not the answer we don't know what's going to come out of this thing and syria one thing's for certain this is a problem for the syrian people to resolve not for the u.s. government the british government the united nations this is a problem for the syrian people. also syria is representative of the drive the u.n.

security council promising reforms and a national dialogue instead of violence how much credit can damascus receive for such pledges now. well probably very little i mean you know this is the problem with dictatorship unelected dictators i mean one big advantage of a democratic system is that people have the ability to replace regimes peacefully when there's no legitimate elections in a country the only alternative assuming that a dictatorship does not want to relinquish power is violence so people can say well they need to go to the negotiating table and so forth but when a dictatorship does not want to relinquish power what is the alternative except a violent revolution but that again should be up to the people of that that country because we all know that violent revolutions are very very costly if there is. russia says this new resolution will spark civil war in the country but isn't that happening now of course that's exactly what's happening now you have civil war all

that these kind of resolutions do is more fuel to the fire they don't make things better they make things worse and that's that's what we've seen time and time again i mean i recall this kind of resolution being used after nine eleven and everybody thought that was a resolution to capture the people or bring to the to justice the people who caused nine eleven next thing we know there's a regime change military invasion of afghanistan and a ten year occupation that's one of the big problems with these resolutions as i stated earlier they will construe them any way they want to. western countries blame president assad for the violence of the country but not be on the opposition is this fact. well you know it's a matter of again what i'm saying is you've got a dictatorship it's been oppressing the citizenry the citizenry one that of that

regime out of there and their only recourse is violence so is this fair is it is simply the way life is if you want to oust a brutal dictatorship that is a pressing its people the only way to do that is violence and that's just the way life is. as also syrian authorities released a top al qaida. and they say in retaliation for washington's has to take a assad government nor can we expect if the situation going to just get more bonus highwood west and pressure i think so when i think that and sacked it you know when you when one one of these dictatorships becomes the target of u.s. regime change it actually can solidify its power by rallying people to it's caused by saying look here we have another instance of a us intervention in our affairs and that's why i say the best thing the u.s. could do which of course it's not going to do but the best thing you can do is just

butt out stop being the world's policeman because we all know what the aftermath of this is that the u.s. doesn't care what kind of regime comes into power after that we saw that with the iranian regime change operation in fifty three they oust most attacks from power a democratically elected prime minister they install a brutal dictator called the shah of iran and they support him for the next twenty five years or so simply because they they affect their regime change and they succeed in doing so doesn't necessarily mean that the syrian people are going to be any better off at all and whether you operate under one dictator or another dictator what's the difference. founder and president of the future of freedom foundation a nonprofit advocacy group thank you so much indeed for sharing your views with us oh you're welcome thank you so here is a position i have made a chilling pledge to the country's leader they have vowed to president bashar al

assad and his family will be killed like leave in khadafi clashes between government forces and rebel fighters are raging on the outs cancer of the council and as. damascus reports the syrian conflict is beginning to resemble a marked. you've got a civil conflict on your house is just seeming to ramp up evidence really by the violence has broken out for the past couple of days between the two sides now that's not being housed by the statement by one of the members of the main opposition body the syrian national council the mother head said that assad and his family would be killed like gadhafi now certainly does game to fuel the fears on both sides really there's going to be retaliation and revenge attacks coming in this teacher and certainly that is a genuine fear amongst the people here you're seeing a very polarized country right now and the dividing lines are really being too on

you know here in the neighborhood as really. the for you know you're against people really that moderate middle ground now is being squeezed all the time and very concerning because the dialogue just seemed to being completely overshadowed by this very very strong aggressive rhetoric this conflict is just getting bloodier more and more violent. with the sounds of gunfire and. oh yeah there's a phrase tests from the streets and the increasingly loud international opinion britain needs to lead the way in making sure we tighten the sanctions the travel bans the asset freezes on syria can be hard to hit the syrians. but the syrian case has developed and every side wants to push away the responsibility to another tossing the ball back and forth. in the last few days the situation has become so unstable the finding people willing to talk right now has

present difficulties. we've had tanks entering in firing and just where we've had six people who've died we travel to the suburbs where some of the clashes have breaking out to try to get a clearer picture of what had been happening here in the last few days when one of the damascus at the moment now we were traveling to. visit we just received a phone call telling us that it's not safe to travel. with the situation so you. know what's going on in these areas even the people who are living in these areas don't really have full grasp of the situation at the moment we make it into the suburbs job or using back the opposition that just last week had control of some of these areas have now gone underground so there was a funeral for a resident of. the file sharing his funeral people and his relatives were voicing.

and called for freedom summer during the funeral and we had to go and hide from the security forces. to take. the f.s.a. . other members join as well and. just being arrested changes in the atmosphere starts to fill say with such uncertainty right now it seems mistrust is rife. it seems. convinced the free syrian army coming closer to the capital would be simpler now this is harmful to the cause of bringing peace to syria. everyone is now waiting to see what if any outcome there will be at the un's briefing by the arab league having to hold. the whole reconciliation tool is not one to be simply dismiss it. many have already done they have do political they have do political reasons for.

for for feeding the complicated in syria i think they don't want they're not interested in due form nor are they interested in democracy or freedom was the government accepted the invitation received mixed reactions from the opposition they sides of the vehicle in the past in calling for a syrian solution to a syrian problem that has repeatedly failed to communicate note that unity is the dialogue of running out fast. with such desperate pleas from many people here the opposing sides continue to make it clear they don't want to listen because the international lection just going to keep getting louder so. let's change gears now and implement it in the euro zone has hit over ten percent the highest and this is the back of the single currency figures really is show

around sixteen and a half million people out of work in these seventeen states and they are to an e.u. summit in brussels placed a two billion euro to create more jobs and you know one one zero out also the end of the euro believes it's not enough. eighty billion euros is zero point seven percent of the g.d.p. so this is really not very much when you want to improve growth and job creation possibilities it is more a question of each of the member countries i just think its policies accordingly and then we are talking about tax reform regulatory reform we're also talking about much more flexibility that is needed in the labor market so it's one thing to have as an object if more growth and more jobs it's quite another thing to come to the policies and again these are first of all national policies that need to be adjusted in order to come to some real results in terms of growth and jobs.

today we're joined by martin. he's also the new head of the european. parliament thanks very much for joining us today the first question is the.

president of the country over its controversial nuclear program statement minister david cameron along with. said that quote our message is clear we have no quarrel with people but the leadership has failed to restore international exclusively peaceful nature of its nuclear program now at what cost to the european union is this message being delivered. you have agreed that we are not going to buy any more oil from iran. reasonable reason to consider all purchases. from iran but i think you know the overall goal. you know we have. twenty seven nations to the arabians you

know. you know we really must get some assurances on the nuclear program it's unacceptable to the rest of the world for iran to acquire nuclear weapons but i will factor will these sanctions be right now you see india still buying oil from iran playing with gold and you have china that could possibly just step in and buy the oil that the u.s. and the e.u. don't want so how effective really will these sanctions be but i hope countries like india which of course are functioning democracies as well i'm sure that diplomatic pressure being applied to them too to maybe get them on board with the with the regime as well you know we have to be united as a world to say to iran this is unacceptable you will not be permitted to develop nuclear weapons. we will leave no stone to terms of pursuing this policy let's talk about the euro zone this question has been asked long enough even at the recent press conference of the the i.m.f. the journalists were trying to get a straight answer of whether or not greece will default or exit from the euro so

what do you think will there be a greece default or a euro exit i can give you my opinion but i think they will default you know effectively. the loss that's being imposed on the bondholders at the moment many could argue that that's effectively a default anyway. maybe your question is. will it be an uncontrolled credit event of this no. we don't know but what is clear to me is the current debt. is sustainable. in my view that depth will have to be reduced considerably one way of doing it would be for them to default or leave the euro i did my view that it's probably the most effective way of doing that and at the same time helping to save the rest of the eurozone well there are still some people who would argue that there are other solutions to this crisis one of which would be the issuance euro bonds and other would be the further beefing up of funding mechanisms vailable for countries that may need them with germany contributing. germany has said no to all

of these suggestions some would say that this behavior from germany is. what do you think considerable sympathy for the germans in this i would if i was a german politician i wouldn't concede. i don't see. that crisis. finding new ways to. look at the fundamental democratic aspect of it you know. from germany. to perceive the greeks having greater levels of public expenditure having better social benefits having early retirement right. the. german taxpayers to pay to do this is the fundamental problem with the eurozone that was never resolved at the creation of it so i have considerable sympathy for germany in this and i hope they will also continue to resist as well so the december. of course produces.

where does that. consistently. push this forward are you now optimistic about the future. i'm just asking myself what is the point of this you know what what's it going to achieve going to solve euro zone crisis at the moment that might prevent the next crisis five years down the right if countries are persuaded to rein in. a fiscal deficit but you know this is going to take eighteen months possibly two years to be implemented. all the national parliaments of countries that used to sign up to it so this is going to provide a magic solution to a crisis that could explode in the next month or two is fanciful it's not going to happen this is not going to. and what worries me about the whole thing is that it's distracting attention from the very real things that need to be done to solve the current crisis we're engaging in this institution of naval gazing of rewriting

treaties and. agreeing new pact sex cetera instead of addressing the fundamental problem which is there's too much debt in europe and there is a competitiveness crisis in europe none of these issues are being addressed by this fiscal pact so i don't think it work and i think it's essentially pointless so they're the new head european the conservatives some reformist. parliament you said that the agenda is striking a chord with the european people what is this. i think it's it's a realistic acceptance of the limits of european integration you know there's a lot of people are very keen to. make you know. hyperbole and statements about about european integration and the course of european unity etc but you know you're seeing with the eurozone crisis the limits to that we can make all the grand statements we like when it comes to putting. maybe some european electrical not so keen on it i was saying the limits of national sovereignty being

being exceeded in many areas the importance of sticking to their fundamental national democratic principle which is the basic building block of the european union. thanks very much for sharing your views on the program.

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