economic and political rights and this should not be undermined this this is a powerful and legitimate movement which started peacefully it's been only since a month or a few weeks that it has become militarized which is in fact leading to the internationalization of the conflict but so far it has been in majority a peaceful movement now these movements are claiming change and access to power and the end of the over the country there is another side to the debate which is now the involvement of the international community and in fact the fact that syria is in a web of strategic alliances which is in fact trying to gain the momentum to take advantage of the political instability within syria to try to shape the geopolitical game in the middle east and we have calls made by neo conservative think tanks in america calling for military intervention regime change etc to build on this momentum and this is problematic highly problematic because the movement in syria has been very powerful and legitimate and has gained momentum inside and in the region if there

are calls for military intervention if there are links made to syria's choice of partners in the region or syria stance in the arab israeli conflict that would bring that would dilute it in my eyes what has been so far a very powerful movement and a call for liberty and democracy max i tend to agree with that area if we do get a military intervention which i still think is likely they each though it's the outsiders that will determine the political outcome the eventual outcome on the ground in syria and it may have a whole lot to do with what i mentioned earlier when mentioning and you around. yes. first of all one has to avoid. really be critical about some of the kind of. sorts of simplistic narratives that are recycled continually by the media and this from what i'm hearing now also by experts as well you know about democracy about human rights the syrian people as a whole rising up because there are thousands in the streets but you know there are

millions in the country. and i think the same problem applies to our conception of intervention is being narrowly reduced to direct military intervention you know either invasions or bombings and so forth there has been intervention in syria by the united states and by others and i'm going to focus on the u.s. for several years at least and now even if you knew nothing else what you will see described in the embassy cables that were published by wiki leaks is a pattern of the united states. providing funding to opposition groups that are tied to ultimately with the muslim brotherhood in syria and so forth this is not a secret what's also not a secret is that obama's spokesman stated very clearly that the united states is pursuing a range of policy options what is known is special in intelligence circles and

other circles as a continuum of force which involves sanctions dissin from asian campaigns psychological pressure attempts to isolate the regime and so forth and this is a kind of measure that's being put forth between put forth in front of the security council right now so there are all sorts of forms of intervention intervention has been happening and it's mean happening since before these protests even began ok if i go back to you david what do you think the outcome will be well. kind of syria i mean i mean everyone i don't think anyone will shed a tear on this program to see the assad family go no one ok it's more about a process what do you think the end game is i mean and i said facetiously you know what kind of jeffersonian democracy what kind of country do you think is going to be there is a going to be hostile to the west it's going to be and will continue a serious can traditional foreign policy what kind of relationship would have with

israel with the around with hezbollah there's a lot of people you know are focused on the here and now but those are the questions going to be asked whatever whenever we get to this endgame. yes i know there's a good questions but nobody knows the answer to those questions. outcome in terms of. syria's foreign policy is a question mark and i don't think actually any of the players involved has much of a clue about that. because you i want you want regime change you're asking for really demanding regime change without understanding what the unintended consequences could be that's interesting yes we are because many thousands of innocent lives are at stake that's the key. to anyone who insists on maintaining the regime is condemning thousands more innocent people in

syria to death and that's why what matters is not what the foreign policy of the new syrian government will be but the removal of this vicious dictatorship as soon as part of a well ok i want to think that russia's own interests can be preserved in that situation if it is willing to negotiate seriously with the syrians i was pretty sure we all agree that they're talking to them and my well what do you think about that the the law of unintended consequences here is again i can bring up libya when i mean obviously mass and it's getting worse. right but i mean without even comparing i would say the choice of foreign policy will be in the hands of the syrian people and any democratically elected government which will. represent the majority of the syrian population i find it a bit difficult that syria's future foreign policy would be decided externally or by whoever is not from from syria this will depend on the choice of the people and

if the question relating to military intervention is about to daming syria and shaping its foreign policy this is highly problematic this is. but it's very interesting that you have countries like qatar and saudi arabia and other members of the arab league very much wanting to determine outcomes in syria so that they have an interest in it i don't sorry i don't think they're just thinking about the people they're thinking about their geopolitical interests that's what states do there is no there is a geopolitical game which is being played between a broader coalition of the gulf states i would say the u.s. see israel versus what is perceived as the syria hezbollah iran axis and the instability now that is lived within syria is an opportunity for power politics for you know is somehow severity in the links between syria and iran and hezbollah and weakening this axis and this is highly problematic because the syrian people still

despite the fact that we have instability within syria there's been a choice made by the syrian people and there i would like to address the points raised by max there is a powerful movement there is a claim for a change within syria and i think that should not be undermined and that is not fair to the young people who are dying on a daily basis and continue to go to the streets now how would that be instrumental eyes this is the issue it should remain an indulgence movement it should remain and indulgent as revolution and whatever comes out of the revolution the transition to democracy but you're saying the same at the same time you're saying this. it's getting internationalize and it absolutely is max if i can go to you again when we look at outcomes here i mean it's saudi arabia qatar qatar united states israel to one degree or another and it's very ambiguous which way it would go for them because they prefer the know the deal with the devil they know but this is a major change in the region no matter what the outcome is that is why i think we'll all agree that assad and his family are not going to be there for much longer

. i am not one to predict the future. he could very well be there for much longer i'm not certain how things could work out. early on in the. early years of the cuban revolution a lot of people would say that you know constable wouldn't be there much longer and he certainly was so that's not an area in which i'm going to venture. i am kind of put off by the idea that foreign policies and democratic states whatever that means i think a lot of people understand democracy in the west to mean multiple parties and elections i would have hoped that the idea was a bit more complex and meaningful than that but the idea that in democrat that democratic states established their own foreign policies to reflect the will of the people as far as i know that's not the case and we could go on we've run out of

time we very interesting program many thanks to my guest today in princeton washington and in montreal and thanks to our viewers for watching us here on c n x time and remember crosstalk.

diplomatic deadlock russia says no to regime change in syria as moscow slams a proposed u.n. resolution calling on president assad to step down. but want to be out of wiki leaks founder julian assange is due out of britain supreme court shortly to appeal against his extradition to sweden. and israeli ad campaign in the u.s. backfires by inadvertently insulting many jewish families across america. what are they coming to you live from moscow i'm reading josh welcome to the

program the u.n. security council has agreed it wants to avoid military intervention in syria but differences remain over the way had the u.s. as well as its european and arab allies one president assad out of power for its part russia says the u.n. shouldn't be used as a platform for excessive interference in syrian affairs has the latest from new york. the united states france britain could talk are. all those countries supporting this draft resolution said that there would be no military intervention imposed in syria if the draft resolution was adopted but the most important thing to note is that those spearheading the push for this draft resolution are also calling for a ceasefire in syria and also calling for a national dialogue between the government and opposition groups these steps these calls are calls that have been made by russia for the last few months russia has

indicated on tuesday that it will veto a draft resolution on syria in which the tax calls for imposes any regime change and leaves a rhetorical door open for military intervention similar to what the world saw transpire in libya now russian ambassador to the united nations vitaly churkin did address the security council indicating that russia is clearly committed to finding a peaceful solution to the ongoing conflict in syria but it is a solution that has to involve the syrian people not a solution that is imposed by outside forces take a listen to what he had to say this unity council cannot prescribe a radio recipes for the outcome of domestic political battles it's not in the charter we don't want the security council to fall into the habit because once you

start as difficult to stop then you will start telling what king needs to do you know what prime minister needs to step down this is really not the business of the security council moscow has proposed its own draft resolution on syria which calls for both parties participating in the violence to come to the negotiating seat. negotiating table and take part in a dialogue this is an invitation that russia recently made to representatives of the syrian government and opposition groups earlier this week to try to get them to come to moscow and participate in talks in the coming days the security council will be working to try to come to a consensus on the text of a resolution on syria but if the times remains as it's been presented calling for president bashar al assad to step down and leaving the door open for military intervention this is something that russia firmly will be opposed to. reimport not

reporting there from new york western countries are pushing for regime change in damascus because they fail to break up the alliance between the syrian regime and other key players in the region and that's the view of middle east expert risk. i want obama first came into power for example there was a policy of rapprochement with syria you know and some of america's allies like the french president nicolas sarkozy paid more than one visit to syria the i am then was to decouple syria from the resistance axis of particularly from iran you know by communication by dialogue by incentives when syria made it clear that it would not be decoupled from the resistance axis and from the iranian led axis there now we have this new approach of trying to decouple syria by changing its regime and by changing it to his regime in this way so we hope by thing that into consideration i think the solution to syria will come more as part of a more broader regional solution for example when the u.s.

and iran reach some kind of draw a grand bargain when there is some kind of a midway agreement reached between the u.s. and iran if that is possible then i think you'll see a whole to all in agreement great regarding syria so when we speak about this syrian file you can speak of it as a separate issue from the board broader region i think you have to speak about it as an issue related to iran to hezbollah more broader issues. coming up later in the program here on our values to get some crossed out debate hurdles in the way of breaking the deadlock of the syrian crisis. offered to hold negotiations between all of the different parties and as we know the syrian national council you know one of the main opposition blocs has essentially rejected that offer possibly with some foreign encouragement behind them because one of the stipulations that they made one of the preconditions for the

talks was that. should resign so they wanted an old come of. the outcome of a process as a preliminary condition and so the possibility of negotiations is very unlikely and from that point. you were starting to resemble a bit what was happening in libya where the opposition consistently refused to engage in any sort of peaceful negotiations. i can share your thoughts on the situation in syria log onto our two dot com to take part in our latest poll this hour forty four percent say it will and will their russia china veto over a third thinks the u.n. is simply being used by the west to further its aims in syria less than a quarter believes it will finish with a continued u.s. effort to overthrow the yasid regime and just to put sound thinks there will be agreement on the motion head to our web site r.t. dot com to cast your vote now while you're there check out what else we have for

you online. enforcing american laws with russian weapon us police will soon be using guns provided by the firm that makes a kalashnikov. also the final verdict is out on why russia's martian mission probe but was prone to fail to get all the details. and the pill that could prevent aids bought by now why some medical experts believe it could also fuel and h.i.v. epidemic. the u.k. supreme court is expected to consider an appeal by the we can expound or join us sunday against his extradition to sweden over allegations of sexual assault in

august two thousand and ten the future of the world famous whistleblower is as clear as ever with questions being raised over sweden's legal system and its ties with the united states are to some bargain has the details. in the face that launched a thousand leaks julian a son does exposure of tens of thousands of secret documents has embarrassed governments the world over but the wiki leaks phenomenon is no longer his most pressing concern the swedes or thirties want to question a songe over allegations of sexual assault dating back to august two thousand and ten prosecutors have been criticized by a sundress supporters and international civil libertarians with allegations of a cumbersome contradictory and slow legal process huge arguments have also broken out over the nature of some of sweden's laws on sexual offenses such as those are

some places it's going to be a closed course and leading up to the trial is going to be held. while the chip prosecutor asked for him to be held in solitary confinement it's just as so there are so many bizarre aspects to the wiring which the management is being conducted up till now. from our perspective i just can't see how he would get a fair trial others have gone beyond legal arguments saying the storm raised by our sons through wiki leaks has made him a target for political interference across the atlantic u.s. authorities enraged at having their secret documents exposed may seek to have a son extradited there to stand trial but surely sweden's famed neutrality would stop such a thing i would disagree as whether straight in is an outright country sit in at a very clear cut. proximity and collaboration

even in military operations with such campaigns initiated by nato you haven't done the so it's presence in afghanistan you have a clear cut. it brought nato policy on the part of sweden and that is not to try to do with some u.s. politicians branding a son a cyber terrorist and calling for the death penalty it could get a lot worse for the wiki leaks founder the problem is not that we have too much wiki leaks we have too little. i think wealthy people agree with. who is a national public polls to indicate that very large majorities applaud and support the efforts of. the why do worry is that with or without julian a son governments around the world with something to hide will now launch full

scale assaults on internet freedom in order to keep their secrets secret but for now the focus is on the man not his website killing our son just connections with sweden have raised many questions about what really happened in august two thousand and ten but now with a son and his future as uncertain as ever questions are being leveled at sweden's legal system and its relationship with the united states which could prove crucial to the fate of the world's most notorious whistleblower dumbarton r.t. stockholm sweden. well so i have for you this hour here in our team a campaign full of controversy. find out why a series of ads paid for by the israeli government have left millions of american jews feeling insulted.

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iran says it's held three days of constructive talks with inspectors from the un's nuclear watchdog the i.a.e.a. is attempting to verify the peaceful nature to iran's atomic program the west has recently stepped up a comic sanctions against the islamic state suspecting it developing nuclear weapons washington's intelligence chief has warned of an increasing likelihood that iran could attack america or its allies the u.s. is beefing up its military presence in the persian gulf by sending a third aircraft carrier to the region former cia analyst ray mcgovern says people have been misled into thinking iran is at clear and present danger. if you look at the polls seventy percent of the american people believe that iran already has a nuclear weapon that's exactly the same percentage of people in two thousand and

two who were persuaded by what i call reform in corporate media to believe that saddam hussein was working on nuclear weapons it's bizarre what do the defense ministers of america and israel say they say are they really is working on nuclear weapon no if the arena is working on a nuclear weapon they would have to kick out you at spector's we would know that and they don't want that at all they are not working on nuclear weapon they have not yet decided to do so so the facts or the of the truth of finance ministers both intelligence agencies. the way they say it is they have not yet decided to do no nuclear weapons well that means to me simple english means they're not working in the clue what they're going to war i mean if on a contrived synthetic you you have to take five steps back and say what is this whole about this is about a nuclear capability but it was about regime change. account is the world's

fifth largest holder of golden seems to be in the market for more it's believed beijing snapped up around five hundred tons of gold in two thousand and eleven double what it bought in twenty ten analysts says china is looking for investment safe havens to do to the weakness of the us dollar china has the largest foreign exchange holding off any country in the world one tree and then u.s. dollars most of their u.s. dollar for several years now chinese economists wanting the government to diversify it is holding up for the china's economy. of that of the u.s. and all china has about nine percent economic growth why the u.s. has about one point nine percent so it is good to diversify some with the foreign exchange holdings to do something not us all of these like gold but of course

together with that china would need to have a say in the global financial situation right now. by your peers in the world. and china has reverted to say in global financial matters and i think that we'll have to change exposure. in europe in such dire finance so straight. there's some world news in brief for you this hour a pakistani fighter jets have bombed two militant positions along the afghan border the attack killed thirty one suspected insurgents in the tribal areas of our exile and karama this comes just one week after soldiers and militants clashed at a mountaintop in koran killing over sixty people the pakistani military has launched a series of offensives against militants in the tribal regions in the past few years.