welcome back this is also the kind of thing. is it won't buy weapons in damascus because guns would still find their way to armed opposition groups which could lead to a libyan style scenario russia's standing firm in its opposition to military intervention in syria saying it will but against any deal and resolution that could conquer of rage the conflict. also the day i want to appeal in london against the extradition a whistleblower a true that has so much to sweden has sent to the only of the swedish prosecutors in. the indicates tehran

is ready to cooperate on the fears over it that told me. this act was planned to make another trip next month and while israel's military chief claims iran good nuclear capabilities are going to get. a box for the second part of the. hi guys it's time for you said it i read it right take time to respond to my brilliance and engaging viewer comments from facebook twitter and you too because we've got some to say i listen now first i want to respond to a viewer the watched our interview with reddit co-founder alexis ohanian about the free internet act that's a reddit user generated idea in response to pittman so but alex wolff five said on you tube ordinary people drafting laws next thing you know they'll be expecting a democratically elected representative government i know it does seem insane

doesn't it the people who actually use the internet know how it works might be consulted on legislation about it now one thing's for sure the reddit community certainly wasn't consulted on sopa and pipa not to mention that many of the biggest tech firms either no became very clear the internet users and those who really understand how the internet works were consulted and the congressmen themselves all they got some serious shortcomings about knowing what this technology stuff is all about they just took whatever the m.p.a. of ari said and they ran with it and as for this reddit experiment while the community isn't made up of experienced law drafters it will be interesting to see if they can influence what actually makes it to the books next i want to respond to brian penny who tweeted about how he saw us on mainstream t.v. he said let's gloss over how i happened upon it leno used a clip from the low to show on tonight's the tonight show so don't worry i'm not going to judge you for watching leno's show we all have our vices i'm more partial to say tosh point zero or chelsea handler but to each his own i do have to say it

is kind of fun to have a clip played on such a popular program even if i was talking about a penis tattoo and now finally i want to respond to a viewer that watched my means three miss yesterday i heard earlier this week on leon panetta statements about the rights of terrorists alan bigler tweeted to us the m.s.m. piece on lamp. it was really good your team put together a very helpful fact based argument so thank you for the positive feedback and you put a lot of time and work into the open of this show every night and so i'm glad to hear you are convinced that's it my ranting tonight but i will be back with more as usual next week. well this week we saw president obama hold a google plus hangout where thinkable happened he answered a question about the drone program an issue of americans that it's both on a tight leash and that civilian casualties are not as high as we all think of course what he says and what the reality may be could be starkly different as just of the cia doesn't release any data on its drone program but the a.c.l.u.

is in fact now suing the u.s. government under a freedom of information act to get information about the government's targeted killing program specifically focusing on drone strikes last year that killed three american citizens including. but should organizations like the a.c.l.u. take it one step further writing the new york times this monday mark canis is one of the authors of an op ed the push for a human rights organizations to start using drones for surveillance specifically using the example of syria they argue that if human rights organizations can spy on evil they should to now we have to ask should they join me to discuss that is mark canis founder of the genocide intervention network and scott horton contributing editor on legal and national security matters for harper's magazine chairman i want to thank you both for joining us tonight and marc i'm to start with you just start by telling us why it is that you think that human rights organizations should use drones human rights organizations to use people to monitor human rights violations we either give visas and do it with the permission of governments were sometimes they sneak in and go in there without governments knowing in burma for example lots

of people are being killed there we've got human rights monitors there so the technology of drones it's cheaper it's more available and you don't have to put why it's a risk why not use technology to further advance what people already doing and allow people to see more the force from the trees than ever before and let's not forget that when we say cheaper we still mean about a couple hundred thousand dollars right now they're not in the millions anymore but they're getting deeper but i think that you know and scott i want you to chime in here too does when this bring up a number of very big legal issues. you know we see that right now. with the cia and the state department's operating grown programs with clients over iraq which new york times tells us in the feature story yesterday is arousing all sorts of concerns there and it has and by christiane too but i think the big question is who's operating the drone so you know i i pranked really think you know

the population on the ground to be delighted to see human rights organizations out there monitoring them but i think you know at the spec the syrians wouldn't want that is they do everything they can to block it but the bottom line is i think mark is right with this initiative it's a good one and it's something that should be pursued. right but i mean let's bring up another issue here too right we not only have the question of national sovereignty and human rights organizations also aren't state actors and personally i can't name a single government you just want to talk about syria i can't name a single government that would be ok with. human rights organization flying a drone over their airspace but there's also this idea that something that we hold dear here in the u.s. and cherish which is privacy do you know it's nice to say that oh it's just the a.c.l.u. they only have good intentions in mind but do you think about what bothers some people but the combination of things that sometimes get brought in group together unfortunately is we're not talking about non armed non-lethal drones so this is basically like having a camera which we all do with our cell phones or with other digital cameras and

human rights organizers both local and international are using cameras all the time and we're not crying privacy violations we actually want that footage to expose the human rights violations journalists are having a hard time getting access in places like darfur like syria so these are things that people actually want and it's no different than strapping a camera onto remote control plane and people aren't crying evasion of privacy they're actually saying we want more of that stuff happening well that's not exactly the case here in the u.s. are you seeing law enforcement start to use drones we saw that they were wanted to at the republican national convention also have some drones but they decided that maybe they'd scratch them because it was too expensive and you know personally i don't find that all that comforting well our argument is to do it in areas of large scale massive human rights violations in the areas of genocide or crimes against humanity in war crimes and so there are questions certainly with civil liberties and privacy our argument is we're focusing on these areas where sometimes getting footage is hard or sometimes it's able to get it done but you can see the huge

force for the trees and we should be able to have that access and make sure you can and it is testimony as evidence to the national courts you are provided to the media and you can provide it to government officials to hold them accountable just like we do with many other times with regular cameras well who's to say to you that let's say that the international criminal court that the u.n. might have some footage or some of this video who's to say that they're going to do the right thing with it that they're going to act on it. well they might not do it right with a but i want to come back to one of the points mark just discussed i made you're out on the streets of london you're being observed in films all the tyrant if you're walking around a major american city you're also being monitors all time so i think this means the privacy expert stations have gone down somewhat the biggest argument we're hearing an opposition to this sort of building in the united states actually comes from what we saw they were objected very aggressively to being photographed.

and yet the process photographing it doing their activities has been very very important if we look at what happened at some of the occupy wall street protests for instance the bill on the. new york police got there became an international celebrity when it was still so i think this shows really the process of documentation get help and of course your point is true that is you can't expect that there's an incident being filmed it's going to go straight to the i.c.c. and reserved to the prosecution but i think we've seen the human rights community. has learned agents of this process and they learn about documenting things thoroughly and rigorously now and we too accountability far down the line that may take years it may take decades but ultimately if you talk to say you have to for there to have the photographs you have the other evidence accountability can occur i think the point is technology can be used for bad or for good the worst thing

there's no silver bullet for successful is to use drones to add to the toolbox of holding people actually make this happen right how do you get who do you buy that drawn from where do you get the permission from to do it because i'm sure that not only will certain governments be unhappy with it because it's violating their sovereignty at the same time they can really put government on the spot if you want to say well now it's even more obvious than it was before that you are acting because of geo political and. rather than humanitarian ones sure so there's a variety of ways you can do it you can literally strap camera onto a remote control plane have local populations fly that and get that documentation and find a way to upload it onto youtube and they do this all the time in syria with the regular cell phones so that's the cheapest way you can do it there are other ways that you can get more developed countries that are that have the technology are willing to sell its commercially and then you can buy that and you can hand it over to those human rights groups or you can have foreigners human rights organizations others pilot those so the most expensive is what we're use with lethal means we use

satellite platforms to operate pilots operating in the vada flying drones in pakistan or iraq so you can go from this cheap as strapping on a can run through a plane to having satellite technology and finding this the whole range is available what we're arguing is let's explore that and let's do it responsibly ethically but let's not shy away from drones being used as an effective means to hold people accountable for massive human rights violations what kind of responses are you getting from other human rights organizations we're getting mixed a mixture of responses a lot of the same questions about sovereignty about violating national international law to other saying we love this idea we're doing this already you are using cell phones and cameras we would like to talk more about the information you have the response you're getting so we're actually trying to gin up more interest to actually see if this is possible and then find what conflict areas might not work in syria it might not work in congo bit maybe burma maybe dar for so we're ready to explore what are the best options and see if we can get a proof of concept and then say let's let the u.n. maybe the u.n. should own its own drones and be able to do this and they'll hold themselves

accountable just like they use international law for other things and you know it's interesting because we have seen you mention of course that it was the police that really didn't like this and the fact that now we have so much citizen journalism going on and somewhere in europe blanking on where it was we did see a little mini self-made drone in poland happens and they thought let's also monitor our protests you can see how the police are responding i want to switch gears really quick lastly and just what the president said this week which is he publicly decided to address the pro the drone program and his google plus hangout but he said don't worry it's on a tight leash and the casualties of civilians are not half as bad as you think what do you think of that. i think it's absolutely the case that the cia it's telling him that the casualties are not as bad as the press is reporting and that's the reason why i think the a.c.l.u. is done the right thing for doing those documents and demanding their release so we can see exactly what the cia is telling the president about all this because all of

us tell you i've read a lot of independent investigations and i don't have a high level operatives in those cia reports their reports on the ground in pakistan do point to a very high level of a ladder of their merchants true but they're they're getting there they're improving their process and they're reducing the number of innocent civilians who killed but it's still troubling and i think the president may very well be misled by them i think the best thing is for the jurisdiction to pass over from the cia to the department of sense and hunger we all want our transparent think i'm not really sure if i buy it of the president as being misled either you know i mean the questions are never ending unless we actually do see some kind of documentation john i want to thank you both for joining us tonight scott mark thanks so much thank you. still to come on tonight's show a colorado state lawmaker get back and if they keep the two asian after he gets pulled over for dinner why details are told at happy hour ladies are sweating

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between two thousand and five and two thousand and nine u.s. has spent fifteen billion dollars in the prostate for the entire program that we are dealing with right now here in two thousand and eleven is another hundred and fifty billion dollars that's larger than many country's entire military budgets when all things becomes the best form of france. sorry guys it's time for tonight's tool time award and tonight the winner is colorado state representative laura bradford c. bradford was pulled over last week suspected of drunk driving but instead of being booked in charge like the rest of us mere mortals she was let off scot free by the police officers and not because she miraculously passed

a sobriety test or wasn't drunk enough monitoring you see she even admitted to drinking herself but she was let go by police officers because she specifically mentioned that she was coming from a legislative function see part of colorado's constitution says that during a legislative session except for cases of treason or a felony legislators cannot be arrested during attendance at the session or committee meetings or going to and from such sessions which brings us back to bradford i stated that i was leaving a legislative function that i was on my way home and that i was expected to be at the capitol the next day to work my statements were not intended to invoke legislative privilege. though is a major coincidence that she said the exact right words needed to invoke this obscure law now as to which legislative event she was at. she would say can you say what legislative function you are coming from i have nothing further to add sources

say they saw bradford drinking at the prohibition bar at seven o'clock that evening and that it was not a legislative function. the road had bishan bart now bradford swears up and down that she did not invoke legislative immunity but she definitely made sure the officers knew where she was coming from she also made sure not to waive her legislative immunity because you see if she had she would have been subjected to sobriety test just like the rest of us but i guess that she had been reading on the special privileges granted to her in the colorado constitution like being able to endanger the lives of other people in colorado by driving drunk and just a side note here she also had a gun in the car which would have been a misdemeanor offense had she been under the influence now denver police have since apologized for what they characterize as special treatment for the lawmaker and she's been suspended from her committee chairmanships since seems about right to me clearly this law was not intended to let lawmakers get plastered of political events and then get off scot free but leave it to them to use it that way and for

the police to allow it one set of rules for elected officials and another for all the rest of us so for embracing that very undemocratic ideal representative laura bradford is tonight's tool time winner. a guy the time for happy hour joining me this evening is our producer jenny churchill and mike riggs associate editor at reason magazine and reason dot com. hey guys we're going. ok we have the spoke about last week or was it earlier this week totally losing it but anyway twitter decided to change its censorship policy and a lot of people were upset about it. it was an important tool in the arab spring uprising now twitter has changed its technology so it can censor messages on

a country by country basis. well turns out that somebody is following in their footsteps or maybe not exactly google is now has announced changes to its blogger free blogging platform so they're going to name a blocking in blocking of content only in certain countries where censorship is required and it turns out that they did this like three weeks ago four weeks ago and they just didn't tell anybody until some blogger actually found it in their policy surprise google was being sneaky again i don't know why this sort of seems like the cost of doing business in foreign countries my my outrage is just totally exhausted on all the stuff you know of the obama administration selling arms deals to bahrain and syria. on the sly and it's like i'm just exhausted with being outraged about this you know so but there's so much to be outraged about there is there's like tons but i mean it's sort of what do we call what do we do i mean do we like stop trade with these countries altogether i mean if google doesn't adhere

to these policies they can operate all of these you know autocratic places so i mean i think that this becomes one of those arguments you know you ask well is is this better than them just kind of you know unilaterally censoring things well i think that's the wrong question i think that when we're in a situation where we have to look at things as well this level of censoring is actually better than the other level of censoring we have a problem what i do there's a lot of nuance to this and we you know we talked about the twitter story the first time around too we mentioned that and so i think of they have the right idea with twitter and what they've applied is that they're asking people that as soon as you see what your tweet censored you know take it to this web site. and they can post it and make it republic and so people are at least aware of what's going on by god so do you play along with the game or do you do you not it's the debate but now let's talk about something that is really messed up and outrageous and probably had just a million women all over the country crying today. blame it on the packaging it could leave women with an inadequate dose of the drug raising the risk for pregnancy it

affects about one million packets in the u.s. pfizer says the pills may contain and not not enough contraceptive to prevent pregnancy. it's just the most messed up thing i mean on the planet there's a million packets of birth control out there with all these pills right and you're taking it and you think you're doing the right thing and to how many babies are going to be accidently can sound like a prude but there still is one form of birth control this one hundred percent effective ladies oh my goodness i'm not going to say i was like are you going to say ok i think you're going to try to come on our knowing. this is the most of that's an abstinence. i'm super excited for is when the class action lawsuit comes and the ads are everywhere going with your gift from god a mistake well you. know. i don't well about the sad thing is that you know that

there is a bunch of you know anti birth control people out there that are pro-life that is. my first thought was was this really an accident or an act of pro life terrorism. really i sent a telegram that was to do. that we get thrown around a lot ok let's this is just quite interesting you know what do you do if you're really really rich old guy and you want to make sure that your money goes to a certain person and i guess you don't then take a look at it. good when also facing a civil lawsuit from the victim's parents and some court observers say that adopting his girlfriend is forty two on the surface appears to be an effort to hide some of his assets. that's right he has officially adopted his forty two year old girlfriend as his daughter which inched entitles her to one third of the trust that he set up for his two biological children. and who are clearly awful awful i mean

like how bad you have to be as a child to force your father to adopt is not necessarily you know what. older men could be susceptible to younger attractive when. you said oh here's that i'm being mean there was no right if you wish in your you know you know when you buy a long association is maybe the kids maybe it's the evil step mom. that's very very disappointed it's clear we didn't show so when it was really really your i mean one day. a woman you just can't make up your mind i just remind you. i don't even know anymore how much i just find this really interesting because i think this adds kind of like a new level to the whole incest thing like we were in and saw us before. in a weird way we kind of are you have all my money i don't know it's weird well yeah i mean now kids can really happen to them legally because they're still sleeping with each other because i just all i know is what i want for ever refer to this is

a reverse woody allen. where i mean what i want to see this guy got to order right ok right sleep with her then adopt or not you know don't adopt they're going to think you're going to actually going when your order matter it's absolutely does and that's a perfect just like with not example you know. thinking of order newt gingrich is that we can p.d. of somebody do a little messing with the day order he more accurately reflect his marriages so first one can't thank you one for you to be a swinger calista returned to mars or two thousand and twelve return of mars i mean it's pretty good it's really it's pretty good but it's somebody pretty awful i just want to know what it is like what it is just enough cancer you know i mean too much cancer is pretty funny but what's just enough you would you are you would want it was you know i was doing actually cures so much as newt gingrich how little cancer

could you have had you would have stayed with i think what you just the lymph nodes you know the zero he's a purist yeah i think that we really are clearly i listened to our last story here which i. it is just even so much better so there are six people that are facing racketeering charges for operating what federal authorities say are was a four million dollars prostitution ring right here in the d.c. area and they also committed money laundering and used violence to run this business and. what little name it came up as one of the people charged with counts in running this prostitution ring jenny never told us well i mean i have to say one day it just came to me and i thought you know why i get a mail order of russian bride when i have all these beautiful russians right here you know obviously that's not me here which one of those releases is yours yeah right i heard that you are actually you mad i'm not i am out of. milk but it was actually super awkward because i was getting legitimate questions from people about

whether or not that was of no. value is really what you want to read several it right we're going to what do you think miley sir luke isn't that isn't that what russian script is called sarah looked up and sort of miley cyrus you know you not ever it's like oh my if there's ever again. the fans the fans are going to come out against you again. my concern is fans get mad when i hate on her anyways let's wrap this over again with her trouble thank you for joining me tonight that's it for tonight's show thanks for tuning in ad make you come back tomorrow brewer from vision strategy is going to twenty three happy hour in the meantime don't forget to become a fan of the ellen show on facebook you can follow us on twitter if there's anything you ever missed you can catch it on youtube dot com slash the arsenal and next.

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