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she's told this story is moscow so that it won't be a weapons and ball girl in damascus because it would mean a repeat of believing that scenario. supplies continued to anti-government rebels despite to you unbind russia would also oppose any view of the resolution it believes could aggravate the conflict. today of an appeal in london against a traditional whistleblower in my silence to sweden sent it to the issue of the swedish prosecutor's impartiality to believe the time the fifth. geishas of sexual sold out politically motivated in response to his website publishing secret u.s. cables. indicates tehran is ready to cooperate only shows only that want to throw ground and inspectors trying to make another trip
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next month meanwhile it is through those military chief claims iran could have nuclear capability within the. now tom hartman finds out how to get the occupy movement back to its peaceful roots big picture is up next. well i'm john berman in washington d.c. and this is the big picture coming up on our show tonight radical factions of tarnish the image of occupy oakland and the occupy movement as a whole what we've done about the violence and how can the movement get back to its peaceful protest roots also arizona governor jan brewer is waging a new war what it's against the how will it impact impact the people of arizona and later in tonight's daily take twice this week a single payer health care bill has failed to pass in congress what's going on and
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who's really pulling the strings in sacramento but first it's time for the long liberal rumble. on the panel for tonight's lone liberal rumble deprecate corey conservative blogger and freelance journalist and jack too sick republican strategist great to have you both with us tonight i think you. last night mitt romney won the florida g.o.p. primary an absolute landslide wipe you know newt gingrich by what twelve points was something like that and that didn't see any after his when the d.n.c. released a statement saying romney and his super pac outspent his nearest opponent by nearly thirteen thousand ads to newt gingrich's two hundred ads carpet bombing the airways of negative ads in fact romney's campaign has already spent more on negative ads than john mccain spent on all advertising in his entire primary campaign from
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beginning to end. similarly mitt romney's super pac raked in thirty million bucks from just two hundred donors this is the super one percenters during the second half of two thousand and eleven so the question is did mitt romney really win the primary or did he buy it and what does this mean about american politics and who's . a real winner in florida is it romney or is it the wall street people who put up all the money for these ads. you know i think it's ironic that here the democratic national committee would say that romney ran such a negative campaign considering that barack obama in two thousand and eight ran the most negative campaign in history when you say that money in politics is a bad thing where you really are saying that people who give that money so the people that support him is what did that you know that's i'm sure actually what i'm saying is that i think that having and we suppose bribery that having money in politics having a heavy influence groups pay pay for politicians were put them into office is not a healthy thing for democracy whether it's republican or democrat you can debate whether or not a super pac is a good or bad thing and how many people give too but look at how much money his campaign itself raise and how many people that gave money to him directly i gave
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him money people to do that that poured him using money from people who support him and in fact he's actually using people support to do that you don't win campaigns by just going up to him being a pretty face and smiling and talking you have to put t.v. ads up there but he's you know he outspent newt gingrich two to one in. south carolina and every still beating he had to outspend in five to one in florida to beat him. i think that mitt romney basically won the florida primary because he ran a very well organized very positive campaign in the face of the other candidates ninety percent of the ads run and i have had to do that story anti-gay marriage ads the fact the matter is that newt gingrich is his own problem nobody had to run negative ads against him he ran plenty of negative media against him all over the place that i would ever get on fox news all over the place jump on those three well and plenty of other people and you there are plenty of other pundits that have come out of me i myself finally came out against him but the reality is i was like the last of many people in conservative media to come out against him newt gingrich did
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him myself and with his comments like that but it's not that i would mind even i haven't been around against if shelly adelson had written two five million dollar checks i mean he would have been there so really wasn't the shelley versus john paulson you can't win a campaign just by spending a lot of money on fancy ads people can see through that the american people aren't . stupid saying that spending money on ads is well one the campaign for him is completely unfair but you know it's just it concerns me to a state of our you know way and we're going to see the same thing in the presidential election on both sides and any fresh off his performance in the florida primary that was interviewed this morning on c.n.n. here's what he had to say. in this race because i care about americans i'm not concerned about the very poor we have a safety net their efforts to repair are not concerned about the very poor we have a safety net there the center for budget and policy priorities says the government fell short in even adequately assisting a majority of those in poverty in two thousand and ten forty nine point nine
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million americans live below the poverty line fifty three point eight additional americans are considered low income according to the census data. in total forty three percent of the nation is liquid assets poor which means that they are too cheap to pay checks away from being genuinely poor totally stoned out on the street forty three percent of americans that romney just dissed half of america now not at all i think if you listen to the entire comment which he made a point of saying in that interview because i want to while he's there you know i concern about poor people who do have a safety net if there is a problem a system i will fix it and in a lot of ways that's better than we're getting from our current president because he really cares he's saying i care about fixing the system if there's a problem i'm going to fix that i'm not going to just you know plot some tired line about helping the poor people and moving george that comic policies that hire people to fix the fix that was proposed and and voted for by virtually every republican in the in the house and senate was let's turn medicare into a voucher program putting that aside from what i was to return back to mr romney's
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comments what he was really trying to say is there is no social safety net for the middle class those are the people being hammered the worst in this country they're feeling it the worst they're losing their jobs they're moving into that poverty position of a half or a lot of on the safety net and that's what he's really trying to get that if you look across the country those. the people need to help them right so. very revealing and thank you for pointing that out because it's seems to me that that what you just said is that romney's strategy in the election is going to be to play on obama's turf obama has already defined the rules of the game is basically are you with the middle class or are you with the one percent and romney's going to say that he's with the one person or he's with the middle class he's not with the one percent even though he is the one percent and he's being funded by the. fact the matter is and if you study history i mean i'm sure you have i'm not saying that and i kind of anyway but i just mean for anyone we know that a strong society healthy economic society has a strong middle class i agree you are always in trouble in
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a society where you have the rich and the poor if you have a strong middle class so what romney is saying is he wants to restore economic policy to the country by getting that middle class. in our middle class was strongest was from the not the one nine hundred forty s. the one nine hundred eighty s. and what did you have that you had a top marginal tax rate of over seventy four percent you had thirty five percent to twenty five percent unionization were down down to in the private sector were not a seven percent the private sector our top tax rate mitt romney's top tax rate is fifteen percent working people top tax rate thirty five percent you know is that how we're going to get back to it you know because you also had a situation where and you could come out of not even having a high school degree walk into a factory get a job they're able to put your family you know food on the table get to retire so it's you going to bring back our trade laws we're never going to have an economy like that again you're not going to be because there's never going to be a situation well maybe not why why can germany have it in china can have it in japan can have it in korea south korea can have it we can't have it they all they all have these vaticanus r vers tariffs we don't when you're talking about economic
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expansion period those economies didn't exist they were not the situation are they the competitors were not there that we are today that we did we just can't bring those jobs back well you know personally i think we can but clearly had i don't hear any and i don't i don't hear the president about this either during his state of the union speech president obama put forward a plan. to further help those who've been able to stay current on their mortgage payments this plan would allow borrowers to you know. their mortgages at lower rates and he's going to pay for this with a tax a small tax big banks banks with more than thirty million dollars thirty billion dollars in assets over congressional republicans are willing to even consider this that they say it's dead on arrival ironically the top ten congressional districts that would benefit from obama's plan are all occupied by republicans in the house of representatives. are lawmakers supposed to be representing their districts and not wall street these are the people who are saying no we're not going to do this. and i think that you know what you're really talking about here
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first of all this idea is preposterous on the face of it you're going to go ahead it did it and it got us out of the great depression it got homeowners homeowners you know their mortgages were failing he created the federal housing administration and it works for decades like fannie mae and freddie fannie mae fannie mae was working just fine thank you very much until lyndon johnson privatized in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight to take off the books part of the cost of the vietnam war it was insane it should never been privatized all i'm saying is this is that you can't tax the banks with something that they're not responsible for people sign these contracts they were knew what they were getting into and if you were honest i didn't you know they didn't have all of them they should have been buying a house quite frankly but the people there are more responsible for this are not the banks it's the first of all the you know the mortgages the majority these actually weren't first mortgages they were they were reef eyes and people were being encouraged to refire they were do you remember this time i mean there was there was seminars going on you can get rich you know just buy a house and flip it housing prices are going to go up forever they you know
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greenspan was pumping out the money like there is no doubt america wasn't one of those commercials dietetic it was you know it was all these it was exactly all these companies that were then selling their mortgages to the big banks that were then truncheon them and then that's on them a c.d.o. i think the reality is you can't solve the problem by taxing the banks because at that point the. banks are going to say what you know how do they make up that difference do they have to like let go of more people do we end up with more unemployed people you know how do you solve the problem goes if you raise fees on the rest of populations everyone else has to pay for their troubles i mean that's not fair either i don't think you fix the problem by raising taxes in this situation and also you're not really punishing the people who are responsible and the fact of matter is that you have a you know it has nothing to do with politics i mean there were a lot of people involved there so their hands on the situation or both of the strongly of the opinion that the people responsible for the crash were stupid homeowners who never should have won it was like no one is out all over i mean the reality is i know people who are very strong democrats who worked in that industry
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made tons of money on it personally and completely benefited from that kind of behavior which you're saying is terrible behavior and erroneous i mean the reality is that a lot of people point this out is that many of us we all took a pardon is the society you're not going to fix that by going back and doing more bad behavior with these mortgages i mean for example in the minority communities among african-americans half of all the people who got exploding mortgages qualified for normal mortgages which were less profitable for the banks and were never told that they're qualified when there isn't you know you've got hundreds of thousands of robo signing foreclosures there's been massive fraud listen to it as your money is right out of these awareness or under great pressure though to extend these loans to under-served communities and that was done in the sense that is not bill clinton made a point of extending that and pushing that it was george bush in two thousand and four gave a speech about how we should be doing that it was it wasn't job was really bill clinton there was no pressure there was there was no law there was no political pressure and in fact if anything the opposite they had banking standards in george bush when eliot spitzer tried to enforce those banking standards used eight hundred
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sixty five law to stop him and say sorry you in new york can't enforce your banking standards because you know we want our banks to make profits i've seem to recall they were an awful lot of civil justice organizations out there processing these banks in the ninety's because they weren't extending loans to impoverished. it is and that's just a fact so so that's what i'm sure that's pressure for the fact of the matter is the way to turn this around is for people in america to get back to work it's not to tax the banks and make sure the people they're paying the mortgage is have jobs and that's the present responsibility is failing well you know i'm with you the people need jobs you know franklin roosevelt so the very best welfare program in the world is a job so how do we get jobs to people that work. i think first of all the president has to relax on some of his regulatory policies i think he's a solution for stopping jobs it seems to me like if you're going to say ok you're going to have to put a scrubber on that smokestack so it doesn't cause cancer on the street that somebody's going to design it install it. seems like that's going to be all there
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is all about the sort of liberal promise that by a career that you can use government to create jobs you can use government to create various industries in that that somehow gives everyone a job in the problem is that whenever that happens there's always somebody else that's out of a job as a result or there's always. the right guy who got it and we got to take a break here we'll be right back after the break that romney doesn't like poor people what else is new more on that and other issues in the rest of tonight's loan liberal on the. means of protection can be used. when global supremacy. between two thousand and five and two thousand and nine us is spent fifteen billion dollars in the price paid for the entire program that we are dealing with right now
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here in two thousand and eleven is another hundred fifty billion dollars that's larger than many country's entire military budgets on things becomes the best for the. substance. in the touch like a well trained. for thailand where time stands still. becomes a sea of nothing. the mysterious sounds of russia. buggered back to the low the liberal rumble on the battlefield i deborah kay corey
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conservative blogger and freelance journalist and jack do sic a republican strategist we're having a good time. democrats in the senate are going to vote on president obama's buffett rule where he says if you make more of a million bucks a year than on the million and one dollar and i buy the you make after that you should at least pay thirty percent tax now average working americans if they made a million bucks in payroll they would be thirty five or thirty six percent tax so this isn't even quite the buffett rule that everybody should pay what buffett's secretary makes or pays but it's close and according the tax foundation it would produce an additional thirty six point seven billion dollars a year in revenue which ain't chickenfeed it's not going to solve the deficit problem but it's its but it's really more of an issue of fairness shouldn't people like mitt romney and paris hilton who basically make their living sitting on their butts around the pool waiting for the dividend checks to arrive pay the same tax rate as people as their as their pool cleaners and is the guy digging up the street out in front of a cop was protected. i think a lot of that question to be answered the fact that we have
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a very complicated tax code when capital gains taxes off of my it's been invested as opposed to an income tax we already know that mitt romney's tax base often just capital gains was lower than my own regular income tax surely we know what's right about that. why should he why should he have lowered tax rates by the to. xcode ok well i'm for that but it but you know ronald reagan came out in nineteen. eighty six and so why should why should a bus driver pay ten percent of his salary in a millionaire pays nothing jack if fact reagan said that's nuts that was his exact phrase he equalized capital gains with with the ordinary income rate well great million one year not pay anything they do pay they pay a significant amount and back to the capital gains point not only some of that was invested it's money it was already taxed before you invested it. in double tax on income that's derived so the money that you're getting from g.e. in dividends right was already taxed except that last year g.e.
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distributed twenty nine million dollars twenty billion dollars dividends to the one thousand billion dollars in dividends and they paid no tax you're talking about a corporation that's not the same as this issue right here what's. all right then you know somebody runs a gas station they're paying their employees thirty thousand bucks a year where they get their money from you and me when we buy gas right right we paid taxes on that income that income has been double taxed i mean that argument is never make sense to me that's a great argument we shouldn't have those taxes either ok so let's get rid of all taxes and tell us where you really should go back to just flattening out the tab so get rid of loopholes get all these crazy deductions and go ahead to simplify it drop the rates drop the corporate rates and make them pay you know a good flat rate they know or not and sort of flat rate but a assume there's not a wiggle around and let's have capital gains at the same rate and so that a thirty five percent tax will be the tax that applies to everybody and then you're going beyond the buffett one or maybe it's dropped on the street thirty second deborah thank you very much for the night here on thank you appreciate thank you glad being here.
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you need to know this when i was thirteen years old in one thousand nine hundred sixty. or i remember going door to door with my dad campaigning for barry goldwater in fact yeah that's a picture of me and my dad around that time but their and my three brothers my mom but there are i think there was the same suit the last time actually wore that suit any else but that was a republican party that was a lot different than today's republican party that was when the idea of the united states is a war machine that should bring democracy to the farthest reaches of the planet to shove our way of life down others throats through the barrel of a gun was unthinkable and most relevant today that was a time when the thought of indefinitely detaining americans who might be suspected of terrorism would have been unthinkable to conservatives like barry goldwater and besides that it wasn't what barry goldwater the republican nominee for president
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one hundred sixty four believed and he were been outraged this was a republican party that rallied behind dwight eisenhower elected him president united states twice in fifty two and fifty six eisenhower also did not believe in an all powerful military security complex famously saying this in his cross of iron speech in one hundred fifty three. every gun that is made every warship launched every rocket fired signifies in the final game the fans from those who are not. those who are cold and are not going. this world in arms is not spending money. you spend in the sweat of its labors. do you see the sign of the obvious to. the cost modern heavy bombers is it. a modern brick school in more than thirty.
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two electric power plant each serving its sound sixty. two. only possible. it is some to be mine. the. we pay for a single fighter plane with us i have many invoices. we pay for a single destroyer with new homes and put it how. more than a thousand feet. that is not a way of life at all. in anything. under the cloud of fencing already humanity hanging from a cross of our. and today we are firmly nailed to a cross of iron with endless war being conducted around the planet at the behest of both democrats and republicans have forgotten the history of their respective party both democrats and republicans have also thrown their support behind indefinitely
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detaining american citizens for the most radical assault on our constitution since the patriot act was signed into law more than a decade ago now is a sign that both parties have gone too far voices within each are standing up to say enough is enough democrats and republicans in the house and senate are now joining together to repeal the controversy indefinite detention provision that was signed into law last month by president obama one of those republicans joins me now in the studio to talk about this effort is congressman jeff landry of resenting the third district of louisiana congressman it's great to have you with us great to be here thank you for joining us what has happened to our body politic that something that would have so offended the founders has actually become part of our law well i think you know look i just got elected to this seat last year and and i got elected because i believe that we have some kahnawake commingled the executive and the congressional branch said the two separate branches they kind of commingled
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themselves congress has abrogated a lot of policy over to executive both democrats and republicans are responsible for it they haven't been clear and precise in the last sort of the executive would have those types of clear precise instructions so that the courts could determine exactly what congress is intent was and this is a plain biggs example of that i mean in the n.d.a. provision there's no language that clearly allows the president to detain americans indefinitely something that our founders did not want the executive branch to have which certainly gave that politic congress if eight if the situation arose we could suspend the writ of habeas corpus but congress is not specific when it does so well and. the last two times that happened were i think the war of eight hundred twelve in the civil war. you know it's like during time of an invasion or insurrection that was it as trying to do it and when we have no insurrection and we're not being invaded right and it's a serious responsibility and congress should take that responsibility. very careful
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in how it conducts its business in draft this legislation mitt romney defended this position being one of the republican debates and he was actually booed by the audience in south carolina republican audience do you think that that's an indication that the people get it and the politicians are a little behind in catching up oh absolutely i mean i think that the governor's roman this issue i mean look at the end of the day we have protections in place i mean i think it was thomas jefferson who said it best when he said you know those who will sacrifice liberty for security will one day week up and find that they've they've they had neither liberty nor security and this is this is a classic example you know what i love about this issue is that this is not a democrat or republican issue this is an american issue this this this strikes at the very foundation of this country without liberty we or we don't our country basically doesn't exist in a form that it was founded upon i mean you've got
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a bell frank and you have the republican exactly so so what can we do and what is the possibility of anything happening in congress here as we go forward well we've got about forty seven co-sponsors right now and everyone who's listening out there in the house in the house democrats and republicans and so everyone who's listening out there should call their congressman and demand that they get on this bill and i think the pressure will get to a point where and we have a commitment from the chairman and i've been working with the armed services commitment a committee to make sure that we take this bill up and that we address this issue whether we do it as a standalone bill or insert it into the new india a we should become a. out in may and once and for all be very clear that when when it comes to american citizens here in this country they will not be denied their due process and an oracle to record them and what kind of blowback are you getting i know you
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know what's in lindsey graham has been probably the most outspoken saying no no we need this but is there is there no getting much pushback no i you know i think it of course look all your views out there certainly can continue to help us in that the push that we've gotten when you see a congressman such as myself who's been hailed as a tea party guy and someone like senator franken. on the other side of when we're together that really scares everyone else and so i think that that push is going to get us to what we need which is to correct this language and at the end of the day this this will give instructions to the court if there is an incident then courts will have a clear indication of what the congressional intent is under the national defense authorization bill you know it's a it's a noble and great work you're doing congressman and and while we may be have opposite political philosophies in some areas i think you know our our love of country and and belief in liberty is as transport as i'm totally with you what
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a great thing about it is we're both american citizens and that's a very good thank you thank you so much congressman thank you very much like you. crazy alert punxsutawney phil is going to be jealous errand a new washington d.c. resident is trying to obtain a live groundhog before thursday at eight thirty am so that he can host upon circles first ever groundhog day celebration is celebration would feel feature potomac phil who he says according to groundhog mythology is the long lost brother a pox on the phil here's the taxidermy version of what potomac phil would likely look like according to aaron did new to the new told the huffington post that the father of both groundhogs passed on the internal power of weather prediction to
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both of his sons unfortunately the news search for pontiac potomac phil is proving to be very hard most well groundhogs or hibernating this time of year as efforts to contact wildlife sanctuaries and animal rescue groups has yet to pay off nonetheless he was prepared for this possibility so he has a puppet groundhog and a stuffed dead groundhog ready to go for thursday's festivities given that a dead groundhog can't see his shadow looks like summer is just around the corner. coming up after the break violence and destruction filled the streets of oakland over the weekend is there a way to stop the radical factions of the occupy movement or will they be it's downfall.
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