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this is twenty four hours a day top stories now a spy saga the father of a form the f.s.b. officer poisoned in london six years ago says he was mistaken when he accused of being responsible for his son's death he gets the story first time from. the u.n. considers a new draft resolution on syria which no longer calls for president assad to step down criticism from russia it's also likely to have references about who owns and blogger removed from the text. and egyptian police group of protesters in cairo people have been running against the way security services
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handled the launch of the football match on wednesday more than seventy people killed. more in their stores in half an hour from now in the meantime the second part of our special report that takes a fresh look at the impact of guns in america the gun fight is next. if you want to play god or do you get in they will dance to get any gun store they're going to get a background check or rather what you buy there. and they are big event is a gun show they have a huge chance and this is where the gun store sellers can also go and set shop with individual people great guns the person in question can come and also set up a table and do this in several guns to get a seller says shabbes are still held to the same regulation that they need to a background check on every purchase or food to people who can be self driving me off sometimes you know the same day that took place and so has is not required to
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write a background check said why are you not holding this to sell or selling the same the same trads to same standard that's the problem just a loophole. her gun show people say they have to. go her. way back to get. to it i. thought. oh right here on earth. there are all right automatic round all the behavior. right when i. read all. right we're going to have the right. girl i'll tell you right.
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now. that they have never seen anything. like. it and i managed. this entire transaction that we just recorded braid broke no law federal or state law but this is why i want to do isp has to show these simple transactions and say this is something that's perfectly legal if for countless shot i think like most americans who it didn't have much involvement with gun violence it never to show lives and we weren't really involved in the issue or didn't know
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a lot of the facts i knew that there were a lot of deaths in the newspaper it should be added and that many were cheated to guns that i didn't really realize how big the problem was i to my son was sitting in french class in a small college town and he got shot for comes. that makes it to me makes it any could be anyone could anything anything could get hurt. after i recovered. and went back to school. hours thinking about this is sure. the gun show loophole is one of the simplest steps we can search for to improve the safety of guns falling into the wrong hands. so this is going to be a top primarily about the epidemiology of violence the prevention of violence some research that's been done you all know that my area of expertise in general is what happens upstream in that chain of events that brings people to the
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emergency department having been exposed to it i decided this was something that needs to be quantified it's a story that needs to be told. the whole report will deal with what i see is the problematic aspects of what goes on it controls how guns are bought and sold anonymously how they're bought sold illegally what kind of weapons are bought and sold some aspects of the relationship between gun shows in extreme right wing politics neo nazi ism the neo confederacy. one of the things that i've been able to document is a straw purchase that is illegal everywhere and here's how it works let's say that i'm prohibited from owning guns i'm a felon but you are not i'm going to hire you to buy a gun for me from a licensed retailer there's one in phoenix the real purchaser is handing
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cash to the straw purchaser in the red t. shirt which the straw purchaser then puts in his pocket the two of them walk around the corner where the real purchaser indicates the gun that he wants to buy. the strop purchaser gets hold of sales clerk indicates that that's the gun the straw purchaser is completing the paperwork and to a more senior person at at this retailer he gets on the phone as he is required to do and he calls the national instant criminal background check system but he's got the straw purchasers identification not surprisingly keep has passed the background check the straw purchaser hands over the money the real purchaser moves in and helps pack up the gun nobody had the sense to anybody was watching nobody had to sense if they would get in any trouble so that felonies were conducted right out in
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the open they're the kind of transactions that make it easy for criminals to get guns. not too many years ago the air force commissioned a study of these weapons pointing out the fact that no airport civilian or military was entirely safe the range of these weapons was such that a determined bad guy could be well outside the security perimeter of an airport and still have a fair shot of an airliner as it took off or landed. these guns are available from private individuals for cash no background check no waiting period no questions no record. it more hate mail today. this is on the list for the house for who we think could be a likely co-sponsor on the legislation that we have it's our twenty three twenty
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four the gun show loophole bill and as it's a day we committed a couple more marks right here for example. as you know that means they have agreed to co-sponsor our bill in the house. the basic requirement is hold everyone at these gun shows everyone who sells guns to the same standard that's the first step it's not all private sales which is however much we would like to see all private sales but it's it's kind of the most from the most reasonable the most common sense first step with that. forum and we're doing the video collins undercover video and when you're speaking your house how is this going to be presented first. and then i'll let you know he said in minutes we'll be doing about seven in the forum or be the biggest event that i've ever spoken at keeping a lot of your story i think it's important to have and i've spoken at rallies but i've never spoken in front of congress so this would be for me it's definitely
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a big day the main thing to let up this is to tell the story to tell well to answer to questions you know you're laying the groundwork for us to build on for the next year or two years to come ok but i feel real good. i feel nervous. if most people agree that felons should be able to buy guns why shouldn't we do a background check on guys thanks to the gun lobby in the n.r.a. a try to think of every argument they could to to stop this thanks paul and they do it with the idea that we're really out here protecting your right for gun owners ship but what they're really doing is they're protecting the gun manufacturers and the gun dealers and ending up supporting the illegal gun distribution system in this country. richard feldman spent two decades working with one of the nation's most secretive organizations the national rifle association his new memoir ricocheted it confessions of a gun lobbyist chronicles his time with the n.r.a.
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and other gun groups you write that the n.r.a. often likes to draw lines of us versus them do you think they're unwillingness to compromise has contributed to the success now that's a fair very fair question yes if. define success is fundraising it certainly has been very successful when you do fundraising you want to have an identifiable enemy you want to keep the issue black and white the word compromise to the n.r.a. is a dirty word never give an inch is the slogan fighting is good for the n.r.a. doing battle is good but they have to make issues sometimes when issues don't really exist just to keep that fund raising going well when they were asked to comment on your book a spokesperson told the washington post we don't comment on works of fiction. we all know that the n.r.a. is powerful and that the n.r.a. is really what's but when they turn on one of their own and he decides to turn back on them it's kind of like peering into
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a burlap sack full of ill tempered mix so i just ask you on a personal level having been a top lobbyist at the n.r.a. having been essentially forced out of the gun lobby by the n.r.a. being unhappy with your approach to things how has this been for you personally to have been really kind of booted out well they needed to get rid of me because they want to be the only game in town and when i cut that voluntary child safety deal with bill clinton without getting the table blessing from n.r.a. we were threatening their hegemony over this issue thank you it was a remarkable gathering in the rose garden this morning because here with a handgun industry and the president actually agreeing on something i'm pleased to announce that eight of the largest hand gun manufacturers now provide child safety devices with every new handgun they sell back in one thousand nine hundred seven there was legislation in the senate to mandate child safety locks on guns there was
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pretty much universal agreement in the industry that we ought to do this on our own get the credit for doing it we thank you mr president without having led. slate of all regulatory mandates on the way we had to do it the n.r.a. came unglued after that announcement i sort of went from the guy who came from n.r.a. representing the industry to being an r a's public enemy number two. well we had really done was and several fundraisers for them i mean once we made the decision to include child safety locks it was no sense of posing something that's already a done deal. i don't think n.r.a. senior leadership like that too much to feel secure in.
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thirty to forty aisles of those probably fifty thousand people going to be here over the next four days and this is just one of three balls. n.r.a. volunteers they need a lot of volunteers as they pay their staff so much. you are worth it or your least. well are now out and they've been watching us i guess. you know we got your. way you didn't have to prepare a party for nate. silver your wrist. what i just heard. well we have to check the series and it's not just the n.r.a.
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has said and done any interviews with anyone that n.r.a. every writer has an angle to. it i'd like to know but this particular issue is very . very are we don't want to die. bury the makers church. every. i don't know if you farai we got pulled off the floor earlier today really yells you criticize the n.r.a. why don't think i said it on film where they had it but alley some people were nervous. this is one for the history books the first ever supreme court declaration that america's right to own a gun well to protect. it is the first time the u.s. supreme court has ever taken up the right to bear arms under the second amendment sense it was ratified back and seven hundred eighty one the second amendment rights justice antonin scalia protection individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in
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a militia and to use it for lawful purposes such as self-defense justice scalia was careful not to throw out all gun control laws stating flatly the second amendment right is not unlimited. what do you see as being the current state of gun laws you know taking into context the history of american gun laws and where you think it's going i think in large measure the firearm debate in america is really over in our it's kind of a self-supporting sation and if it's cause goes away it goes away they need a dragon to slay in order to continue to develop their membership in order to motivate their members and in order to fundraise from their members i get a fundraising letter from the n.r.a. about every other or every third week. and some a lot it is and some of them are really pretty intense and here's one from from the song our dear mr feldman some of congress' most powerful anti gunners
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demanding a registration list of every american gun owner they want your name this to feldman they want to know where you live your address that's pretty frightening stuff i kind of disagree with the idea of scaring your members out of their hard earned dollars president and government intervention chipping away at your rights to your freedom the n.r.a. instills a tremendous amount of fear in its members and the thing is it works. it motorized their members but you can stop them if you look at the historical moment there's really very limited threats to gun rights i mean we just came out of eight years of george bush in republican controlled congress we saw gun rights legislation during that period not gun control legislation two thousand and seven we see the worst single shooter killing spree in the history of the country at virginia tech and here a few years later we have virginia passing gun rights legislation right so repealing
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some of the earlier gun control legislation that was passed do you believe in your right to own a gun you so you may be an endangered species called one eight seven seven eight two thousand and join the n.r.a. i think there are a range of n.r.a. members and among the most committed are the true believers the diehard n.r.a. members those are the gun crusaders. maybe one of three n.r.a. members would fall into this category there's a huge chunk of gun owners in our country who are not n.r.a. members the n.r.a. has a membership of about four million or something like eighty million gun owners in our country but the n.r.a. is driven by these gun crusaders these really hard in that they were. they were able to create these end. of the biggest deliberation years where the n.r.a. is able to recruit intensely committed members because they're framing gun rights or threats to gun rights in a way that makes them feel like all their rights are threatened by your pride your
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presence really want to stay in school or i was worried thank you i was american. thank you very much thank you very much right. thank you. there are a good audience is conservative white gun owning men and they feel pinched and they feel sort of displaced in our society have been fired up. the last election i got enough change already and again only more if you have been losing the country to others they feel like the minority they feel like you know immigrants and lesbians people of color are taking over the country and these conservative whites are now the numerical minority so they're going to act the n.r.a. offers a message that not only are going to being taken away but so are your core beliefs your identity your values your status your power is that correct my interpretation
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of what you said is that the right to insurrection against the federal government is a god given right that you're protecting god given sure that is correct. our founders did they have this political propaganda theme that essentially the federal government is depriving americans of their free and that they are resistance and there shouldn't be any federal gun control or the federal government has no authority should be no federal jails there should not be you know lifting i just out this is a movement that has potential radical if not revolutionary. intentions self-defense is a benefit of being able to shoot the government. that's why we have a second amendment that's what we did with it we shut the government when the government broke the contract with the american colonies we shut up and we pushed them out issue i call this the insurrectionists theory of the second amendment and
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it's very dangerous it is an idea that is a threat to the very foundations of our democracy it's a foul it's a threat to the rule of law itself it's an invitation to vigilante isn't it's an invitation to take up arms literally against public officials if you don't like what they're doing. if you have any doubt about how dangerous that is reflecting back on the oklahoma city bombing. and. it is a devil stay. and on certainty in a small city that has never before been touched by terrorism to missing a full line it was an individual who absorbed this. idea and he acted it out he concluded that the time for revolution had come. to the federal building . and he knew that one of the agencies in that building was the bureau of alcohol tobacco and fire which was the government agency that he thought would be the one
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to come for. in ohio citizen soldiers trained for urban combat while snipers in michigan practice with high powered weapons. this insurrectionist idea which is also what motivates these militia groups formed back in the ninety's and reforming again a report out today he claims fifty new militia training and sprung up in less than two years just one law enforcement source but a dangerous mix is brewing at all but smith has a spark. the founders were very clear about this it wasn't for honey that we have the second amendment they fear they fear big government and that is why the people should be armed it doesn't mean that we're agitating for the use of these arms but it always holds government in check we can't continue expanding the domestic and title one system so the time will come hopefully we will never have to
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use the weapons for self defense but we should be prepared but the most important thing that we do is to understand the importance of defending liberty so that we can preserve the greatness of this country i thank you very much. the rest of the world has figured out that they can do something about gun violence other countries have taken steps to license guns to register gods require training and i'm not saying all those are things that should be done here does this early but there are things that we can do. since we don't think bad guys should have guns we should do background checks and find out if those who are buying guns are bad guys or not we do that for some sales we don't do it for all of them we
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should do it for all of them is just it simple good guy still if he stops selling guns to keep liking him to a strong sales one of the most common ways they can to get into the hands of criminals why would the congress give foresman the resources to do undercover inspections if thirty percent of the trafficking cases are connected to conscious why would you close the gun show loophole. the way it works here is that congress is so afraid of everything else the n.r.a. can do to them that they won't make the simple gesture to make all of us safe so you've got to try to find the middle ground into the gun show loophole is the thing that the public really odd again. it sure is if you think this bill has any chance i mean or is it opposes this saddest
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string of victories in the supreme court here on capitol hill is still d.c. voting rights i mean it's a force to be going up against this so. it was really bad today. no background check. no background. the fact is congressman i wouldn't be sitting here in front of you today for the events that had one hundred sixteenth two thousand and seven invasion in tech. i wouldn't be sitting here in front of you today if it wasn't for the ten minutes of hell that i survived on that day and i wouldn't be sitting here in front of you today if our federal gun laws had been stronger the existing brady act as it is written is too weak to protect future americans from up from another some riccio or other president birch sers i can think of no reasonable responsible logical reason why that should be. the fact is congressman i wouldn't be sitting here in front of
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me if i didn't believe every part of me that might like that officials will do what is responsible and reasonable to protect their citizens thank you very much for your time mr god i just like to say that your testimony is compelling is a testimony i've heard. i would hope all members of congress could hear that could make a big difference clearly with this particular issue so i want to thank all our witnesses today formas concluded. thanks to the still another college campus shooting this time in northern illinois university in de kalb them am at northern illinois is that it's shooting at public schools and colleges in just one week what's it going to take when columbine happened people thought if columbine start enough nothing's enough well columbine wasn't enough a couple of years ago there was a whole string of shootings on campus of virginia tech certainly most horrifically
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