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russia and china vetoed the u.n. security council resolution on syria in a vote in new york. more than two hundred thousand people braved russia's bitter subzero cold to ensure their views on national politics are heard. we seem people out on the streets demanding free elections in support of the code russian government join me for more than a few moments. and europeans demand a free internet as people flood the streets in protest against an anti-piracy act being signed across the continent.
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eleven pm in moscow as a good to have you with us here on our team our top story this hour russia and china have vetoed the latest u.n. security council resolution on syria let's get more from all the latest from artie's maria port naya live outside the u.n. in new york hello marina so moscow and beijing made their positions clear tell us more. it was quite clear in a matter of just five minutes after the meeting began russia and china both wielded their veto powers not supporting this draft resolution that was written up by the arab league and european countries while the draft resolution was supported by thirteen members of the security council russia was asking for some amendments according to russian foreign minister sergei lavrov those amendments were not
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excessive and mr r. lover of said that russia was urging the west to accommodate moscow's concerns to reach a compromise on this draft resolution china said during the meeting that it supported russia's amendments and said for the council to approach a vote knowing there was a divide it did not help maintain the unity or the authority of the security council if russian foreign minister sergei lavrov said that moscow does not support using the security council as a tool to intervene on a sovereign country that is experiencing an internal conflict he believes that could create chaos in international affairs so as we see there was. on this resolution it did not go through and it's because russia believes that as the draft resolution was presented it had a lot of imbalances in it when it comes to the current circumstance in syria
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russian envoy to the united nations vitaly churkin did go into detail about those imbalances let's take a listen to what he had to say. the security council has not yet reached its conclusion the draft resolution put to the vote does not adequately reflect the real situation in syria and sends an unbalanced signal to both sides the co-sponsors of the resolution have not in the wording of the draft taken into account of the syrian opposition must distance itself from extremist groups committing violent acts on states with the ability to use their influence to prevent such acts know have all proposals been taken into account that along with withdrawing the syrian armed forces from the cities should be an aim is to attacks by armed groups on state institutions and neighborhoods nor has there been support for affording more flexibility to the intermediary efforts arab league states to increase the chances of a successful political process the russian delegation was forced to vote against
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a this draft resolution seriously regret this outcome of a joint work. with syrian president bush. this is a move. to hopefully reach some type of peaceful approach to. the conflict. in syria the arab league is also addressed the security council at the stakeout saying that they are extremely disappointed. but they will continue trying to work with the security council with the united nations to try to reach some type of consensus now u.s. president barack obama did also issue a statement of. the united states on the side of the syrian people that are posing the syrian president and his government and he said quote the assad regime the time has come for the assad regime. clearly the united
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states is pushing for regime change this is a sticking point this is something that rushed. it does not support so we'll see what takes place in the days and weeks to combat as of now the draft text proposed by the europeans by the arab league vetoed by russia and china already at these marine important what the latest outside of the un. well the vote in the security council meeting comes amid reports of a new crackdown in the syrian city of homes with hundreds reportedly killed for more on the situation in the country i'm joined by dr tuffy professor at philadelphia university in amman jordan so what's the value of the resolution has been vetoed what's next for syria. well first thank you for inviting me. to. this vault by russian and china. is welcomed by the arab people and truly it is in support of the syrian people.
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has been said that both supporting and. supporting the syrian people and the dignity and democracy in syria by. polls like russia and like united states of america and britain. i think that the both russia is what is supporting syrian people in fact because what is needed now in syria is as. broad was saying to the hobby dialogue and the russian proposal to have a table of dialogue in russia for all the syrian fractions opposition and pro-government. the same. stage and without any consent or any. preconditions the syrian government has agreed to that
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but unfortunately opposition lead by. i'm sorry and his i'm sorry i have to interrupt you here russian about certain you want to tell you churkin is making a statement we're going to listen to that right now. battles but i made it very clear to my colleagues that this is the only the only commitment to assume to send a text to the capitals moreover colleagues knew that to on friday there was going to be a very important high level consideration of the entire situation including the techs in moscow so it came as no surprise to them that i told them friday morning that there will be a russian amendments and today as you know i did ask. but a present of to come together before the vote which was called by the sponsors of the resolution and i did explain the significance of those amendments and i did suggest that we should continue our discussions for two or three days. as maybe
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the last effort to reach consensus presidential statement by presidential sponsored resolution in the security council as you know in practice of the security council if all fifteen members are prepared to sponsor it done it's called the presidential sponsorship a resolution no on the amendments were proposed and i think there were two key amendments which were also alluded to by my colleagues who were speaking before you one on paragraph five of the of of the draft where would they say that the troops must pull out of the city is in conjunction as matthew correctly. correctly quoted from our amendment with the pull out of of the armed groups who were trying to take control of various cities and quarters in various cities for
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somebody isn't that a lot a lot of ground chose to tell you that there was a suggestion that they should be pulling first i've no idea i have no idea where he'd do that from this is one of the problems we face unfortunately in the council in some call it is dealing with the media they they choose to. presented a rather bizarre interpretation of actual proposals made by the russian federation of the rice made the point that we were right drawing to the right of the arab league texts which were adopted months ago indeed they were adopted months ago and since that time the situation has evolved and one of the problems which we clearly saw was that the syrian government forces were pulling out armed groups were moving in so that was there was a need still is to address. that situation and of course there is no rule that the security council should repeat the resolutions adopted but even organizations rebut
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him they are not the qur'an or bible i mean we can we can express our views on the texts which were adopted months ago even if we are trying to facilitate promote and help the work of those original organizations know the second point about timetable and again an incorrect interpretation was given by one of my call i don't remember who exactly but that somehow russia was proposing to get rid of the timetable and that is not the. time. it's. all right we're going to check back in with our guests now dr talk show maher has been standing by as ambassador churkin is here so russia says the current draft included measures against president assad's government but not against the armed opposition groups why do you think that western nations fell short of condemning both sides in this conflict. well because i think that.
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down deep down the western nations or russia and the usa and its allies want to have regime change in syria don't want democracy in syria because if they want democracy in syria they should have supported dialogue and they should have supported this i mean. fractions that are. fighting against the government because the government have proposed this dialogue with all the pression in syria but unfortunately these are not negotiating with the don't want to negotiate with the government at all so i think because of that and because of the support of you that state police fractions they are taking it a step forward to. ask for a change and they are insisting on changing the president i think such
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a measure cannot have been taken if the united states of america did not support such factions in syria i think that the russian proposal for a dialogue with all the factions pro government and opposition on a. simple stand in russia in moscow would solve a lot of these problems one other thing we have appeared from such a vote i think which is very essential now where days and it's crucial for people of the third world countries where western countries are trying to play around in there and in their future i think the vote of russia and china against this resolution give hope for the people of the country. is to say that we again living
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in it do what. you need best not get bored universe and this gives a lot of hope for that people. but their future. without any as you may need from down unites. the. right doctor took from the philadelphia university in jordan thanks very much for your insight thank you thank you. more than two hundred thousand people came out onto the streets of russia saturday for a day of protests the largest the capital seen so far one group was demanding fair elections others are rallying to support the current leadership our correspondent peter all over reports on both. well saturday was a day of demonstrations here in the russian capital we saw a march and a rally by opposition supporters a large group of their meeting in the center of the city and marching here to block my a square which block my has really become the central focus point for opposition protesters
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here in moscow this is the second time that opposition protesters have taken to pull last night a square far fewer the this time than last but of course the the weather a big deciding factor cripplingly mo temperatures here in the russian capital in fact the organizers of the protest here shortened the events that were going to be happening just to make it all comfortable for people who had come out in the cold minus twenty times on saturday here in moscow. so they came out to to voice their opinions but if you were i came here because i'm tired of the government which doesn't do what it promises lies and wants this to carry on for you if you. change their elections and normal life you know it was. my goal for you wanted to come here and i'm here. now to talk about some of those groups that we've seen come
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here they really come from all across the russian political straw answer we've seen far right groups far left groups and everybody in between. all coming out coming here to pull off the square to demonstrate we didn't hear from. the presidential candidate the independent presidential candidate because he's drawn a lot of support from some of the groups that have come here to protest he said he would attend but he wouldn't give a speech this wasn't the only demonstration there was taking place on saturday there's also being gatherings of people who are in favor of the government pro-government forces and. who come paining saying that they want a revolution in russia using the example of the the orange revolution in ukraine and the chaos which pushes that country found itself in the last saying that they don't need not in russia they were stability and not the revolution saying that
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russia had its times of instability and they didn't want to return to the dark days of the ninety's now the good news for everybody concerned is just how peacefully everything is being carried off on saturday but the opposition and the pro-government protests going off relatively without a hitch one of the putin rallies we did see the leader of that rally taken into custody by police this is because it was a sanctioned dryly and it was sanctioned to have a certain amount of people the amount of people who turned up far exceeded that we saw a lot of police and she's they did say say the protesters must remain within the law and they did do that and everything going on very peacefully is such a day becomes the day of demonstrations where the presidential election in iraq just around the corner of the opposition is demanding a fair vote martin mccauley an expert on russia at the university of london thinks the process must be visibly transparent or further protests are to be avoided. the
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results of the election of course we're very very important because what these demonstrators want is if you like a clean election fraud and so on and it's up to the authorities to ensure that there will be cameras there and so on and therefore it's probably will be a fair and election but what is important is that it seemed to be fair and that these people have no cause to claim that the election on the fourth of march with president vladimir putin wins in the first round of that has to be seen to be fair and to be clean otherwise it would be tremendous protests on the levels above the opposition will not come together they don't want to compromise they don't want to . arrive at a single candidate the only way they get to defeat evil in the fourth of march just of a single candidate he's accepted by the whole opposition and this new like you do this . already now these are gone as the question is going to come up with the old is
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does then that these results about the third or fourth and so on. could bring up the rest because he is there really only to appeal to the middle class voters. fresh clashes outside egypt's interior ministry as police have again fired tear gas and rubber bullets at crowds who threw rocks in response at least twelve people were killed more than two thousand injured in protests across the country and in response to the protests presidential elections could now be toward. a civilian council advising the military leadership said nominations should start being accepted at the end of the market people have been venting anger at police for three days of failing to prevent wednesday's football violence and port saïd that led to the killing of seventy four people demonstrators demand the military council step down middle east expert. says egyptians are furious that many of the ousted president mubarak's generals are still running the country. the main recipient of
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criticism now in egypt is the military council because if it really has all the powers and they are demanding that those powers will be transferred quickly either to a government or to an elected president and the military council is still very hesitant and i link this to something that happened couple weeks ago when the military council of order and security forces to go and shut down democracy agencies both education n.g.o.s and international n.g.o.s u.s. based n.g.o.s all of that indicates that the military council is very hesitant in transferring power to democracy force that they want to cut the deal with a force which most likely will be in the muslim brotherhood that is something very odd about the fact that egypt brought down but then again in a leader and yet some of its agencies are acting as if it still hurts him when he meets in iran what is happening right now is that a large segment of civil society specific to the youth of egypt who began the revolt and that will hold was taken away by other political parties including the
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muslim brotherhood and the some of those youth are angry at the government because they want the military council to transfer power to them or actually to their representatives and they fear that egypt is moving towards another authoritarian regime. remember you can always find more stories analysis and perspective at our team dot com here's what's a click away right now notorious activists anonymous find out what the f.b.i. really thinks of them and get their own back by leaking the audio recording online listen to what was said on our web site plus. rush over the moon as it unveils its space ambitions these and other stories of valuable on line twenty four seven at r.t. dot com. iran says it will definitely stop oil exports to quote unquote certain european countries the country's oil minister says they have yet to make a decision on cutting supplies to other states it's terrazzo response to the e.u.'s oil embargo that was set to come into force in july to explain what this could mean
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and more we'll talk to chris bambery a political analyst who joins us live from london. so do you think which certain states do you think iran is referring to here. well i think it's obvious the so is that iran is talking about the united states and the. in the european union with britain france of the lesser extent germany in the joining seats and i think they're listening to what's the rhetoric from london paris and washington and understands that that rhetoric is being hyped up all the time in today we've had claims this week the u.s. defense secretary that there was going to be in the rain in terror attacks inside the united states although he also said there is no evidence they can produce the evidence for that to date elsewhere in tel aviv i read a supposedly respectful commentator saying the arenas had missiles which he could. it could hit the united states of america that claim is just simply the posters but we are seeing a ratcheting up of the right and tyranny and rhetoric in the west and at the same
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time they really must understand from recent history the history of sanctions has been in both former yugoslavia and in iraq the case of iraq has been to soften up those countries in preparation for a military assault. takeaway in the case of a case of a right well really ten years of sanctions beggared the economy and that is what people william hague hillary clinton people have talked about. stopping iran's oil industry through these economic and financial sanctions could this could hit the iranian economy and thus undermine the undermine the real regime at the same time there really is must be very very nervous about the american build up inside the got inside the persian gulf if you look at the map of iran it is surrounded by american military bases incidentally bases which are also in that russia and china so i think in some ways the pressure must be on inside the rhine to think we should be going to retaliate in forced i also think that this is
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a very dangerous situation the militarization of the straits of hormuz in the persian gulf can lead to accidental clashes and we can remember i suppose that accident back in one thousand eight hundred seventy when american warship the blends in shot down a civilian airliner with a loss of two hundred ninety day there have been a number of instance like that over the over the years they could just take something to trigger here so we are in a very dangerous point and i think in the west people in the united states and in europe should be asking their governments to pull back from talk of military action to pull back from sanctions and to start talking to tehran and i think it's very important people in the west actually put this put this demand because the iranians must feel that they are under pressure they've vents in syria looking advance in libya they must feel they are next. on the list and i've heard other people in london for instance say well there's not going to be a war because the americans can't fight
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a two front war in afghanistan and there was a say it just takes an accident the news release could be the accident trigger this by some form of action they haven't got the capacity to launch an oil offensive against iran but it could attack which would lead to retaliate and bye bye bye bye iran is a very dangerous moment and i think western leaders should as i say cut the rhetoric how much of a big world and how much more its role will iran as our own oil embargo be to europe. it will be i mean particularly for southern europe it's countries like italy and greece which are already in serious economic difficulties which take the bulk of the oil which europe takes so countries like italy and greece will be the ones that suffer the most but of course we want to see another hike in the. oil oil prices and this is the time when the european economies are entering into a double dip recession why are those governments want to enter into a war or threaten a war which could threaten oil supplies why they have the money to spend in such
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things when they're cutting back on a sturdy questions that citizens across europe might be asking about about themselves and these people also of an ignorance of history because if you remember when they complain about iran's you could prove nuclear program the israelis have a nuclear program they deny it but they have one they don't allow inspectors in to look at their sites unlike the iranians on occasion they do not sign some of the treaty is that iran has signed and more importantly america and britain encouraged iran to develop its nuclear program but when they did that in the one nine hundred seventy s. around was under the rule of the shah of iran no socratic despeaux it was ok for iran to and you could program under the shah it's not ok for a ransom and you could program no these are the nuclear posed by the way it's hypocrisy when they talk about this i'm against nuclear weapons and against nuclear power but it's hypocrisy from london washington and paris who have more weapons than they need to destroy the global. political analyst chris bambery speaking with
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us from london thank you. campaigners for online freedom are out in force in sweden to protest against a new copyright treaty signed by governments across europe the anti-counterfeiting trade agreement or has been yet to be has yet to be ratified by the european parliament and that's what activists are trying to prevent saying the new law would in danger free speech and net privacy artie's tom barton reports from stockholm. this is the frontline in the most modern of political battles over internet freedom these crowds have gathered in central stockholm in sweden feel riginal home of the pirate parties that have sprung up all over europe and beyond here it's a protest against actor the anti counterfeiting trade agreements it all revolves around anti-piracy laws that are trying to be pushed through in many countries this agreement tries to standardize the enforcement of those laws in the e.u. and in america and further around the world these people say it's not an innocent
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agreement it's not simple it's assault almost internet freedom and it's a way for governments to monitor them and to stop them from having a free exchange of information on the internet and we heard earlier from people on both sides of the argument about how different views are here on this issue if you say world everything should be free. perhaps no one will write any books or produce music or films etc or any way. disappear much less because it's not. the next generation has grown up with the ability to say anything to anybody else on the planet to that ideas that lit out for themselves to have a freedom of speech never before imagine we don't need to ask anybody's permission to present new ideas and. all of a sudden corporations want to take that away because it inconveniences them and
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millions of young people are rising up in anger at the success of the growth of pirate parties both here in sweden and elsewhere around the world is evidence of how hard the status of internet freedom come painters has risen and on the signing of the actual agreement a few days ago huge protests broke out in poland they were so out of it and so angry that the government there has suspended the actor agreement that they want the same to happen here although the debates are going to go on until june when the indian parliament votes on this internet freedom complaint as urging people to get their view across before that vote this debate is going to go on it's not finished yet and it seems it's going to be anything but calm. kaiser report coming up after the half hour headlines today witness.
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