well. science technology innovation all the list of elements around russia we've got the future covered. hello again to welcome to spotlight the interview show on our t.v. time now we're not and today we're talking about of lattimer putin's view on democracy during the last twenty years russia has been going through a democratic transition success has been made by the way wasn't easy and there were ranters through as the presidential election gets closer many speculate on how this process will continue if either of the candidates is elected this week the favorite in the race prime minister putin expressed his opinion in an article seen as part of his electoral manifesto so is he planning to make russia more democratic and how

discuss it with the head of the general posner sounds department at the high school of economics mr coffee and mr simon schuster head of the time moscow bureau. over the last two months russia has seen the biggest really since the time of yeltsin an active electorate and they did political debate is what makes the current presidential race different from the previous two it all started with protests over the stay do my election results last december when the ruling united russia party won which triggered ballot riggin accusations ever since the opposition has regularly how this rallies and has become exceptionally active online demanding changes that would make the election process more transparent last weekend however the protesters had to face the fact that the . government supporters are also ready to defend their point of view on the streets

according to the data he should by the police the pro-government rally even outnumbered the anti government one in their position addressed both sides shortly after the meetings in the other of his pre-election articles the prime minister's manifesto published in russia's corner sunday league admits the quality of the state is lagging behind civil society which has become more mature active and responsible at the same time putin sees the current political activity in the country as in the chief mentor he is in power a byproduct of the economic stability he brought about. learned simon welcome to the share thank you for being with us well first of all did this article give you an impression that putin really considers the civil awareness in russia his own achievement or it's more important for him to make

others believe that one of his main goals is democrat as asian and russian. of course yes to make democratization part of his pre-election strategy and image because he realizes now after the protests that have been going on for two months little bit more that a huge portion of the population in the electorate demand that kind of democratization they had some hope of it being achieved under british presidency mcgregor's in his rhetoric if not in his actions gave some hope that democratization was on its way but after they made their switch and put in so he's coming back to the presidency there was no there was no certainty among among the liberal middle class segment of the electorate this was happening so yes putin has to offer this how genuine it is it's a big question you know you have to you have to wait for actions to back it up the debate is this is this working well it's a democracy. it's i think maybe the most important of all yeah exactly yeah but i

would remind you that democracy in russia it's a long term project it's not the immediate reaction to the protests we are facing in the december. following months russia is very young by judging by historical standards it's just twenty years of practice all this very important you saying so so you think that this is put its article what he writes isn't that part of his dialogue with the protestors but rather his manifesto and part of this long process rather than the immediate reaction no no no no i would suggest it's more because of the it's kind of reply to the pressure from the radical opposition at the same time it's what is called vision for future because he put in clearly understands that it's immediate immediate experience experience

must be some college and analyzed and thought for a week and. it's not my case that he started his article with some some thoughts about ninety's and the beginning of the twenty first century and this experience is very valuable it was very tragic especially if we remember the ninety's in russia but nonetheless it's steps towards the more complete more full fledged democracy and democracy i would remind every country of democracies is continuing process we might need a vision from the outside of my next question put in says the society i quote it has grown smart he praises the middle class he says we created and i think we he means himself and president medvedev but he's running for presidency and not taking part in the debates well as usual i mean the he didn't take it didn't but

a part in the debates when he was running for the first or does medvedev didn't take part in the debates with with other candidates so. looking from the outside do you see changes in putting himself is a change. i mean for from the outside and from the inside i think it looks ridiculous that he would he would propose democratization and not take part in presidential debates like candidate in this from the inside it looks ok i mean i mean i didn't if you if you looked at the slogans of the people who were ad the rallies people who commented on there are they they talk to many things they dislike about putin but everybody takes the for granted well he never does that's what i mean nobody said this is this was ridiculous. i mean i suppose there's a part of the electorate that is used to standing sort of above the political fray and not taking part in it but i would take issue with one phrase used to responding to the radical opposition is no longer responding to the radical opposition he's

responding to a huge segment of the population who has been making its demands very clear in the streets and in other ways this is by the government's own estimates thirty percent of the population that makes up the urban middle life in the u.s. but in the front of that. we've seen just radical opposition so it's immediate response of this pressure let's hear what lot of important things about the russian civil society. today to governance in russia lanka behind good riddance of civil society to participate in all civil society has become much more mature active and responsible we need to modernize them i could use democracy some of them correspond. to detail. in the very beginning of the article there's another quote putin says the society

must be ready to use the democratic mechanisms and spend its time and effort to rule the state he's clearly appealing to those so called. we may call them the the road to what actually does it maybe maybe not theirs. some of them are not radicals all of them are pretty relaxed i mean but but. this article will the opposition whatever that it will it take it as a response that's very important i mean this article that his suggestions what they want or what you want to change may be in the point of taking its opposition is united but as we know the opposition is fragmented fractured and the only point of consent is about putting mass must resign this is the slogan of this opposition and there is partly also to the question of why he he is abstaining from immediate course on all participation in the debates and he is potentially head of

state he is experience being of head of state of twice and his counterpart since just aspirants it's just hopeful presidents so that the. practical knowledge of how to be as president so this is partly the whole can explain why putin is so reluctant to. really and personally but he trusted his representatives for for instance not early on that i. had a debate with virginia and it's goes well well let's hear another quote let's hear what a lot of reporting writes about out to make trials in russia more transparent. what must be given to the possible online broadcast or proceedings computational transcript. they will instantly shoot who's working you'll be doing we should

really be in it not to seem like losers with this event with the judge's summing up is dictated by really understood real knowledge. i rushed. the system is different from many others cameras television cameras are allowed in many quarters but russia and russia many courts are they call them closed where there's no public no press and no cameras so do you think if this proposal goes i mean if we have wept cameras in the courts this will provoke judges to to to make more and more trials closed if. it's possible i mean if. controversial decisions are made under a web camera that will immediately become the subject for debate online and as been clear for a few years in russia the blogosphere and the internet are more and more setting the agenda politically socially and in every respect so

a judge would feel. some greater sense of responsibility or consequence by making decisions that are obviously corrupt politically in the united states absolutely prohibited to have. any or for any cameras and it's mostly surveillance or just. drop it so i mean these these things are cosmetic that noise in a democratic. i think you know i would take issue with the very idea of placing web cameras in polling stations or in courts what is a pretty cosmetic change i mean that may have problems in the courts and in the electoral system are systemic and they require you know top down reform but it turns out on the procedure that on the practice practices for instance let's imagine this is the. station of pools yes. we counting the. bulletins and what camera is fixing and you'll

being for instance in new york you can subscribe for for this and just looking closely at what's going on theory and. just realize that you know i think that those who have that we're talking to political scientists. you know in the political to sorry for interrupting journalists i'm sure sir the spotlight will be back in a couple of minutes after a break so stay with start up. would be so much brighter if you moon about the sun from fines to question in some.

stocks on t.v. dot com. resistance is not politics but a culture. is couldn't get. through. on its own. cultures of resistance on our t.v. . welcome back to spotlight i'm al gore and all of and just a reminder that my guests in the studio today are journalist simon shuster and political scientist dan youth political juma we've started talking about this this proposal in the latest pollutants article about placing out web cameras in courts

before he before he proposed putting web cameras on polling station so you say this is cosmetic but but but well. some people consider the. being a breakthrough i mean i mean i mean a live streaming from court from polish station this is this is that was unthinkable i mean even a couple of years ago you know i'm a member of presidential council on human rights and we like them so will this work yes or no in the console and my friends call it members of this console we can see it's a very democratic state really yeah you think this will work yes we agree on this point it's very interesting so just and we will do everything that. that will be a real result that is its main point and i would repeat my question to you as a member of this council if it's

a closed trial if the court decides it's got to be a close trial will this well web camera be switched off or will they cut the live streaming bill streaming but it will be recorded some system someone i was talking about polling station but come on not in the course of that the courts no i don't know if we didn't discuss it you didn't just go above that this is very may i mean a concrete step that britain can take any day in the current system of sort of top down. rule is to resolve the same situation in the magnitsky case this is this is a clear breach of judicial practice i mean the international community is all up in arms about it. russian civil society and many of the people out on the street raise this as a point that that could be a concrete gesture of change all we're seeing in the article so far is a lot of promises promises that have been made under them invented presidency and did not lead to any concrete reforms and again we're still waiting for him to do

something. you know whether cameras and all the stuff are nice but again i think there cosmetic and there are easy concrete steps that putin can take to prove that he is serious about some kind of liberal program or putin to point out. the question putin says in this article that political rivalry is what pushes the country forward a great phrase but does he really mean it does he consider the other four presidential candidates really rivals or rather i never to attribute of democracy yes i agree but you know put in. bitterly need needs. equal contender you know big real rival. understand it would make him happier if somebody if you don't he's sick and tired of this figures who are trying for twenty years to do something in political sphere and without any success you know it's like minor

shareholders in the corporation so he i think he's a fighter by the way you know he he knows how to fight and he's must over do though so yeah well i agree that it is a fighter. but. i'm not sure that the absence of real right rival makes it makes him unhappy did they do believe so i don't think i think he's very comfortable the way it is he has never existed in a situation of political competition and still in this political election we're seeing that he refuses to compete even with the granted rather weak candidate i reveal to recall the end of the ninety's session to power it was very very strong competition from let's say primakov and luzhkov the time so. that was there was mainly i mean i don't want to go back to ancient history but that was mainly decided. back stage of the kremlin and with

a lot of influence from the old guy and i'm sure this was after the people you know it's for the people to decide in the election of two thousand well i can congratulate you i can congratulate him on his victory in two thousand yeah and his victory in two thousand was all of the fair but the situ. ration as he admits in this article has dramatically changed in society you know bands of society are for political competition by refusing to debate with his can readers the reason is law and gauging and political competition and the reasons why we don't we don't have the real rivalry because we don't have real opposition leaders in the country what i am saying this is this is interesting because putin takes credit in this article for the emergence of the middle class as such yeah it's true the middle class emerged under the economic policies of the put in regime thanks in part to the to the high oil price however he does not take credit for the political system that emerged in the past twelve years that did not allow for robust interesting

political figures to emerge those who tried to participate in elections or register political parties were routinely denied however in this election as i think again a concession to the people in the streets we seem to feel broken. you know is he the kremlin puppet candidate nobody knows he says not up his opponents say yes but he is. really charismatic he wouldn't agree to be out of this one and the question is you know open but he is a charismatic new figure he speaks really well i mean he's been practicing politics i think it will be a fascinating debates learning very fast learning very fast so i think would be most interesting to see the two of them debate i mean i agree that the other contenders are sort of old school politicians that so well according to the article that we're discussing today put in once didn't make the russian parliament into active let's hear what he writes about that. i propose

introducing a rule by having a mandatory review in parliament of all public initiatives which collected based one hundred thousand online signatures a similar practice is used in britain for example the anonymous internet cannot serve this purpose of course although in other cases it can help to avoid the public. well this is interesting we're already started discussing whether we're the put in is changing or not well i say yes because in two thousand and ten putin openly declared that i quote half of what's published in the internet is pornography that's his words but now today he addresses the internet he he changes the ad it towards the web to was the internet community so is this a sign of change and why sure you know what only because of technology last the last couple years. definitely has become accustomed to the using of internet and he

he became not deeply involved as president in various who has his twitter and so on but nonetheless this suggestion of. it so it says clearly that he see he sees the internet as a powerful resource for promoting democracy in the country. he's speaking about the the effective darlow channels between the power elite and the society is internet from wouldn't point of view one of these these channels i'm not real in the summer fifteen during his live call in show with the russian public five days after a massive protests in moscow he said i don't really use the internet very often and he was asked directly do in a country that has more internet users than any other country in europe. i think that's that's incredible it's true that now he used at least in his rhetoric saying oh wait the internet exists i should respond to the somehow as

a politician i'm not saying he's not a flexible. intelligent and capable politician he is and he's maneuvering every which way what is the quote that you just showed says and this was pointed out an article and kind of caution he seems to be one step behind the duma whether he likes it or not is already becoming more open because in the last round of the elections in december. more than fifty percent of the popular vote went to the opposition the duma is opening up and now putting the saying oh the duma needs to open up well whether you like it or not it is so he's playing catch up in a lot of ways and knows exactly when putin writes in this article that the state is lagging behind the society he actually means in. some sense i don't know if it's a kind of self-criticism i would agree well there's a lot of critics of criticism by the way in article after article the prime minister has been criticizing the existing situation russian economy social sphere so and so forth but he's been in power for twelve years but it's to you two to two

terms as president one is prime minister so it is twelve years is enough to do a lot that's right. on the other one right but at the same time he's trying to explain why measures taking which is being taken right now was impossible to implement. ten or. five years ago and there is a clear explanation why you need one question i have to listen putin says the new state must work out a tool to catch up with the complicated social realities he needs a tool. he proposes the so-called so friggin lated society well i'm not sure i know what that means but what's wrong about the media as a tool about the unions as a tool why do we need to create something else well there are these two children the media and the trade unions are they not effective in the modern society there

are many tools to promote democracy and to make political sphere more transparent but you know it's interesting question what the head of state is responsible for. in russia it's. general saying that the president is responsible for everything yes but at the same time first priority and most responsive sponsibility of the head of state i see that he's responsible for the shape of power for the quality of power and this article precisely about this and there is a part of this article called building a competitive nation it's i would say it's not exact translations from russian because in russian version of this article it's called the building of competitive state but this is the difference of mythology western and russian you know but nonetheless seven points about how to i would say to reset this state how

to remade it. to make it really more than just new to meet the challenges of which civil society in russia is sending you know mistake you very much so and i hope with that continue but we're running out of time and just to remind them i'd. yes today would be a new political ad on the general political science department in the high school of economics and simon shuster of the time magazine moscow based reporter and that's it for now from all of us here if you are now you are so spotlight we have someone in mind who you think i fit into the next time job to line al gore in our paths. are used and let's keep the show interactive we'll be back with more first and comments on what's going on in and outside russia until then stay on r.t. and take care. of.

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