there goes the euro project is an incomplete project you cannot have amounted to a union with god a fiscal union i think along the same lies in the united states and you can have a political union where you know if the powers that use created the euro zone was germany germany and france in the names of francois mitterrand and also. chancellor called new project was incomplete and he expected that those who would follow them will complete the project but what we instead we saw is the development of tremendous imbalances between the interest of eurozone countries you does not possible to expect the german you will always have a surplus unless other countries such as greece and portugal have deficits ok and therefore this is how we've created the let me growth pattern legian mean do you mean here i mean people i mean we just heard that other countries would follow the

it would follow the political union thing but people didn't vote for that i find it inherently undemocratic and that giving people a choice ok i mean what happens when you win the next congress comes in in greece are they going to vote against it to be this austerity package or try as they are read of course they are and not only in greece we already hear echoes of this and perhaps this is why france a whole lot and a leading member of the opposition who looks likely to win the next presidential race and france is already saying why do we have to have this us there early and i think this is the key you can see in the leaders signing up for it because the exchange is clear germany you give me the cash to survive given my debt problem i'll give you my salary n.t. but will the public actually comply will they agreed to accept the pain of this us terribly and will their greatest men the most important sovereign aspect which is your school your progeny to. you technocrats in brussels that are not answerable to

your population through a ballot box so i think that although there are many europeans who would like to see a united states of europe there are many who would not and this question is what did we all sign up for the issue today is that the debt burden is so severe that people will sell their sovereignty for cash right now but will they actually deliver what germany is expecting and i fear that we're going to have a meltdown have a breakdown because even though they promised they're not going to deliver. it also in london i mean i've used it where is the political will right here because it seems to me and it was absolutely right you know merkel just wants to win the next election it's not a cosy is praying he's going to get in and then we'll worry about it then i mean it's kicking the can down the road because keep kicking it down because the politicians have no political will they have no. fortitude to really deal with this issue because again the at the end of the day it is bailing out banks bankers get

paid everybody else gets screwed. well the issue goes back to what we started our discussion on which is the political will and it's interesting the latest couple of comments because we need to bear in mind that kindly greece and spain and italy story they they have governments that are not necessarily democratically elect their technocratic prime minister they both have prime ministers who were technically imposed by germany and france and i'm not sure that if we were having an election tomorrow the result will be that you know the greeks would like we said what are the most as a prime minister and the would like my own long as a prime minister you might have a very different result there and it looks like there is a trend developed mean in some other southern european countries like spain and portugal we've seen the results of the elections in spain that's completely changed what was happening in the prime minister role so i think having a having

a union means that you need to think about all your members and you need to be inclusive and the mormons the problem with european union is that although stages in its inception was going to be an inclusive union giving to the less developed member states opportunities to develop sort of structural funds through their financing that's the commission of the law established back in the eighty's and we now move to a union which is basically dominated by two if not one country doing whatever they want keeping the common currency low because we need to put that into the equation germany right now has significant exports because their currency the euro is a is a is a low currency of them ok guys i mean i was going to boss mark i think it was the year it's all currency it's a long car and see actually four of the four of the four germany markets are very

high current suitable. you're building greece and ireland ok till there's a different battle as a sort of activity of difference here i want to say here just really really provocative here and i don't want to be mean spirited all the groups like the germans won the second world war in europe people what do you think about well look i think i think that there are a lot of people who are going to look at it that way i think the fundamental issue here is that this is the end of the social welfare state in europe outside of germany not because people are choosing to end it but because they have run out of money to pay for it and i think the critical social question that confronts each of these countries individually is what will be the new deal between the citizens and their state about what is the state going to deliver because the state is not going to be able to deliver retirement at the old age it is not going to be able to deliver the pension benefits that everybody had expected and it's not going to be able to deliver the same size of

a civil service that's going to shrink and so these are massive domestic political social questions personally being american and free market i think this is in one way a very very important episode in history the end of the social welfare state in southern europe is going to give a blast of oxygen to the entrepreneurial class which i welcome but it's a massive social dislocation and therefore we have to understand this can be very noble because you know if you go through but you have no choice if you have no money ok dimitry jump in there it's a very interesting thesis we just heard but you know but you know that it's not the end of the world through as they do in germany or even friends it is all you know end of the letter where it would impose in greece and portugal and ireland these and all but it was a euro zone or european union supposed to be united states of the in the united states of america new york sends a lot more tax dollars to the federal throws or anybody in the receives in terms of

government expenditures on life. delaware i had these in the in the opposite direction he does receives a lot more than he said to the federal treasury so you cannot have a euro zone with with only one power to dictate the terms of the game so clearly one's ones the governments begin to understand that if you say there is an intellectual any ideological shift if you look at the last polls in greece you will see that the left has been gaining as well as the altar right now this is not a healthy situation and i am sure that you will see the same thing in portugal and you will see alternately the same thing in as you're seeing in france for the socially is actually present educated to gain support against mr sarkozy who did it has no idea what a european leader was spectacular leadership is supposed to be ok so clearly you

think you will see a triumphant transformations but i would be taking place interesting frank is close in london again do what you need we had to say following on paper is fascinating because what we have is the center the middle dropping out everywhere and we have going to extremes i mean this whole currency crisis and debt is creating a really intense political crisis as well because people are looking for real. answers that have not been usually considered in the center. weldon people are looking for answers the problem is that thing in greece for example people are looking to to demonstrate their way that they did these like the government the current government so effectively you don't seem forward thing happening because the left or their right wing parties have a solution to offer it's basically a vault against the current government and against the current situation so the problem with with all these southern european countries and it goes back to you know what is our strategy ours what what is that politicians strategy is all right

what is the alternative and we've we've talked about a common fiscal policy in european union the key question for me there is who's going to be responsible for that are we going to establish a treasury in brussels are we going to give more power to brussels are we going to increase the democracy that he said that we already are i mean in your eyes anyway to many more questions we have time me answer i want to meet all ideas mostly only because my dear said today in london and in new york thanks for viewers to watch because you can see an expanded remember crosstalk.

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today violence is once again flared up. these are the images. of canada. russia says it regrets the arab league winding down its observers work in syria and stressed there's a proposed peacekeeping mission can be deployed only once the government and opposition forces agree to a cease fire. fiery protests incompetence followed by chaos and looting as public outrage pascual a factor the greek parliament passes a new austerity bill to secure another you balance. kind of limping values undermines this summer's games in london risky marred by a controversial sponsorship deal with a chemical giant linked to one of the world's worst industrial disasters.

but from our headquarters in central moscow you're watching our scene with me and he said now it's four pm here in the russian capital two pm in damascus and russia says they will study an arab league proposal for a joint arab u.n. peacekeeping mission in syria but foreign minister lavrov said that a cease fire could be achieved before any mission of this kind can be deployed let's get the latest from artie's first following talks out the foreign ministry sara what exactly is currently being suggested as a way to help the syrian crisis and tell us more about russ' reaction to this peacekeeping proposal. well russia's foreign minister sergei lavrov was talking today to his u.a.e. counterpart is visiting here they were discussing the syrian crisis we had him

responding to the press conference to the calls from the arab league gave the weekends for an arab un peacekeeping mission to be deployed in syria now his response today is cool's word that it would need further explanation and that also a number of points would need to be guaranteed before that could go ahead importantly that damascus would need to agree with that and also that there would need to be something resembling a ceasefire before any peacekeepers could be deployed in the country. first in order to deploy peacekeeping mission we need the agreement of the host secondly there should first be peace which the peacekeeping mission will then help sustain you know the words there should be a kind of cease fire agreement the trouble is that armed groups fighting with the regime's forces do not listen to anyone and are not controlled by anyone.

that's a musket mediately rejected days plans for the further peacekeeping mission of the arab league announcement over the weekend of course the last time the arab league mission was to put the country again those huge amounts of back and forth that had to go on before that was agreed to put and of course a vote extremely keen to find some form of resolution to end the violence russia's remaining firm and it starts to call for dialogue now we actually also heard for the first minister of the u.a.e. he's been here and was he seen the arab league come out over the weekend to say that they're going to back the opposition both financially and politically but what he said was that at the moment at this point the arab league snored planning to back the opposition militarily but of course reports at the moment already that countries like qatar have in fact already been funding the opposition and are going to see so that's obviously causing a lot of concerns again i have the weekend we saw al qaeda publicly back the

opposition within the country you know that's going to simply add fuel to the fears that the situation in syria right now is really very fertile ground for terrorists to operate to remember the government's been saying that they've been fighting the armed terrorist groups from the very beginning say it's t.v. and says now on the ground and still little consensus on the steps taking to meet forces he said russia's foreign minister meeting today over scorning to those calls for a further u.n. arab peacekeeping mission in the country and artists are for printing live from the foreign ministry thanks for that update. now the u.s. says it's just a matter of time before the syrian government collapses while the pentagon says it's weighing up here radical military action although russia and china are adamant they won't fall our foreign intervention in syria via the u.n. history shows washington may find a way to bypass diplomatic barriers and push its agenda through or it is going to plan explains. what c.n.n.

mandate having failed to reach international consensus on syria it's been a complete waste of time washington prepares to act around the u.n. for the time being the administration firmly rules out any form of u.s. military intervention in syria but the pentagon is busy filling out an attack strategy on syria just in case should the president call for action experts say history shows the absence of international consensus would not be an obstacle to washington if it decides to go ahead with intervention the united states sees the u.n. as a tool of convenience of the u.n. is supple and going along with the united states then the united states is fine to have a u.n. sanction for its actions but when the u.n. and the people of the world or the countries of the world resist then the united states says the u.n. is unwilling to do its job and then uses other instruments like nato or other military arrangements they did in the case of yugoslavia they did that in the case

of the iraq war when and where the u.n. doesn't go along us then says well the heck with you one will use some other instrument for the exercise of american power last year the u.n. security council authorizes nato to protect civilians in libya but the mission resulted in regime change the libyan authorization of force was very specific and it didn't authorize regime change in the countries. that took in their operation clune actually it's for exceeded the u.n. mandate and there are variations i think that some balik of the fact that these libyan these u.n. mandates really aren't meaningful in terms of international law and it's just the reality of it here countries have flooded the lead rebels with weapons despite a u.n. arms embargoed the u.s. government wants to you one but they want the you want to do the u.s. bidding way of united states uses the united nations in regard to the israeli post in question is very emblematic when the united nations passed resolutions which it has done repeated lee demanding that the israelis get out of the west bank in

earlier gaza and earlier decide. the united states didn't enforce those resolutions they didn't demand that they be enforced when it came to the united nations saying that palestinians have a right to be recognized the united states acted as if there was a crime against humanity that the united nations their take on the issue of palestinian rights we can see here a manipulation of the united nations when it does what the united states wants fine but when it stands with the palestinian people which it has repeatedly over and over again then the united states government republican or democrat from going away to condemn the united nations. the u.s. also did not support the resolution on syria put forward by russia which would call for all sides in the conflict to stop the violence and to start a dialogue instead he chose to take sides in a civil war. one might describe the u.s. that he towards the u.n. as use if needed go around if you don't like it but while in all the court approach

to the world body might suit washington it makes for a bad recipe for the stability i'm going to check on reporting from washington r.t. . well for some more analysis of the syrian crisis we're now joined by james corbett editor of the independent news website a corporate report dot com thanks for being with us the arab league is calling on the u.n. to send peacekeepers to syria what this is a t.v. and how different might it be from the arab observers mission. well given the we will conduct of un peacekeepers everywhere from haiti to the ivory coast in the congo and many other countries besides i think the syrian people should certainly hope that peacekeeping mission doesn't come about but but on the note of what this mission would achieve were it to be put together i think russian foreign minister lavrov has made the most prudent comment saying that there can't be any peacekeeping mission until there's some sort of peace thank you but i mean what's

the point of the peacekeeping mission so-called if there is still beilenson and seemingly escalating violence in the region and i think one would have to see it really as as nothing more than a poorly to to involve the united nations in what is essentially at this point a civil war and and once the situation spun out of control as it probably inevitably would given the peacekeeping mandate of a force that would have no ability to defend itself in the face of that by once the only sensible option when it would be to send in foreign troops which i think is that really the end game in game if that's going on to discard universalists how crowded out there extending support to the syrian opposition there's some irony i mean that the u.s. and the terror group appear to be on the same five really at least it looks that way will this make washington ease up on backing the rebels. i should hardly think so especially since this is once again very much a copycat of the libyan situation that we saw last year with confirmed x. al qaeda fighters being part of the libyan opposition that the u.s.

was openly supporting so given the fact that we've seen u.s. administrations from the bush administration to the obama administration seemingly in lockstep supporting al-qaeda linked to terrorist organizations a very is stripes including you know if you know your t. and and various other organizations that are now acting in iran and presumably responsible for some of the assassinations that we've seen there i think that this is really just par for the course at this point or the one would certainly hope that some some enterprising u.s. citizen would take the you know department on. and security up on there see something say something campaign and actually report to the u.s. administration for their material support for terrorist organizations which of course as we know from the eighty eight it was recently has slipped into law by president obama allows for the indefinite detention of american citizens by the u.s. military so some perhaps some of the u.s. officials who have been materially supporting terrorist organizations in the syrian opposition could be thrown behind bars for us all the way wouldn't hold my breath

away caffe their read the resolution was vetoed at the u.n. security council over concerns of impartiality the friends of syria group or emergence including the u.s. and its allies is there a means of bypassing the u.n. and international law which of course we have seen some type of action like that in the past. absolutely that's that's exactly the way that it has to be read and once again you think obvious analogue is what happened in libya last year when we saw the formation of the libyan contact a group last august in which involved basically a number of states that were eager to get their their claws into the new libyan government even before the get off the government fell so back in august of last year we saw a number of twenty six nations meeting in turkey to try to divvy up the prize of libya's vast resources. ahead of the actual fall of the gadhafi government so i think this has to be seen as very much a similar point trying to form

a sort of coalition of the willing in what i think is really quite imperial hubris at this point basically the idea that there is some sort of imperial stake to be had here and there and they can simply there's the bite of the country before it's even. but certainly this has to be seen as as yet another way of trying to circumvent the u.n. process which as you know was was really. the brakes were put on it by china and russia last week and i was in china last week actually interviewing a number of scholars and. writers in the country and i think there really is a sense in china right now that there has been a fundamental change in chinese foreign policy at this point and that china is really learning that it has has a big stake in what's going on there in that they do they don't want to see another libya happened so i think the u.n. is really being circumvented to a large extent of this point so we see the formation of this new friends in syria group as a way of doing an end run around us a u.n.

process just briefly i want to focus in on the u.n. the general assembly is to take up there she later this monday and is expected to discuss a new draft resolution put forward by saudi arabia it's expected to be very similar to the one which russia and china blocked earlier this month we were just talking about it so what is hoping to be achieved today you ben. well once again i think this is just another attempt to try to religion in my eyes the entire intervention which seems more and more likely as time passes and it's just an attempt to try to get some sort of international consensus or not consensus but at least the illusion that the majority of states go along with this of course the un be having representatives who were not elected by anyone and really represent only of the power elite in each of the united you all countries and obviously there will be a lot of arm twisting by the united states and the u.k. and other and needle countries that are interested in the military intervention in syria to try to press compliant countries into going along with some sort of

general assembly resolution which will then give the veneer of some sort of international consensus but i think it's really just a support diplomacy game at this point and really the end game is some type of military intervention. james corbet the editor of the independent news website corporate report dot com speaking to us live on the line from japan thanks for your input thank you. well investigative journalists and media spash of us are so when stanley told r.t. that the syrian opposition is very fragmented and says there's no unity between groups over their means of fighting the regime here's a quick taste of an interview coming your way in about fifteen minutes. although both sides deny differences in. military operation essentially political differences there is different trends in the syrian opposition but mainly between people who support outside intervention and protest who don't save the syrian

national council which are now open to you favor of a no fly zone which to me seems ridiculous because there isn't any even crane that i know of the syrian regime for all its many crimes there's no claims that it's problems people so no fly zone just seems a political pretext very to me. the buildings on fire shops looted and dozens injured this is how the greek public met a new round of drastic cuts approved by their parliament tens of thousands of people protested the deeply unpopular package needed to get a second bailout from international creditors our correspondent jacob greaves is in our friends and we hope to be joining him a little later this hour meanwhile germany's finance minister has declared that promises aren't enough anymore saying that greece must now implement the reforms to prove it's not a bottomless pit john laughlin of the institute of democracy and cooperation in

paris says there are more radical plans currently being drawn up by the germans. there is one theory and i lend some credence to it but the germans who are calling the shots on this do indeed want to force greece out of the euro there is a lot of bad feeling towards greece by germans germany and vice versa and there is a theory that certain leading german polish politicians want to love the boil and get rid of greece if that is the calculation in other words to force greece to leave think europe if that is the calculation i fear that it's a mistake because the problem in the euro zone is not a greek problem it is a structural problem in the euro zone these debt problems which various countries are suffering from including of course italy but also portugal spain and these problems are the inevitable consequence of the way the euro is structured they are the inevitable consequence of it and the measures which are being required of these

countries to as it were remedy the situation are only making things worse so even if greece were to be forced out of the euro my prediction is that the markets will then realize that the euro zone is not impregnable and would turn their attention to other countries as well whose position is very similar in particular political. the latest on the ground in our greaves joining us live now to take up a night of incredible pictures coming out of the greek capital raising violence tell us what is happening in the greek capital right now. based on those pictures as events that took place last night really getting a sense here that the government the greek government is under attack from all sides now you've got the e.u. eurozone international monetary fund really increasing the pressure saying the cuts haven't gone far enough and they have been implemented correctly also we saw taking place last night we have the demonstrators now really amassing in very large numbers.