it is a thrill to hear people say and recognize that the eight point three percent unemployment numbers in america are false because when you don't include one point two million people on the rolls you can't say that the number has gone down number three it is capitalism the open market that creates jobs and opportunities allows people to grow thrive and survive you can't say and you can't sit there and pretend that you're in any way have any intellect whatsoever and say that dependency doesn't put downward pressure and doesn't hurt people from rising up if you create an opportunity for people to get something for nothing and you put them in a place to desire the something for nothing they will never try and build up to say otherwise you think it's. just going to just. david go ahead i don't think you'll say sure there's no you can go on david i don't know just tore up the welfare checks and went to work the jobs would be there right right. yes i'm really not what i said what i said david you got to actually pay attention to the words

that come out of the mouth what i said is that when you talk about the idea of the dependency class as if it's mythology that's not true that is an accurate when you have more people whatever than ever on food stamps one has to ask the question why some of the question has to deal with an economy some of it has to deal with the ease of being able to do that as opposed to other things so you have to take a look at it in its totality not in the political landscape you desire it but quoting karl marx as a guy who understood and that is how do you know there aren't jobs for those people their jobs are there for those people that's the obvious if all those welfare people went out to get a job is it there you believe david all right gentlemen i want to go to new york david dreier engines we have free time you want to say oh no no no telling when you play i have to go to new york ok lou i think it's one of the interesting things that's happened right now is that and i would tend to agree with you and particularly in looking at europe and in the construction of the welfare state

which was very popular with people in europe after the war but as the financial ization of the economy occurred you have this double whammy where the state can or cannot produce protect these people anymore and you see slashes in budgets and all that austerity doesn't create jobs at all that's a double whammy and that's another reason why the middle class at least in europe is being crushed and there's very little prospect of seeing them coming back. in fact a. note on a do not g.'s turned on extremist suitcase of will first state is that it's not good it's not intrinsically good or bad the problem is in many western countries the heights and always that we have who bad the with state so it is not investing in should share in some novelty cured and countries such as sweden you have a good way for a state that is investing in the future of children giving giving saying what all the genes a bitch education in in italy in their literature in seance in technologies in math

and in fact a good way for state is a way for theta which is interesting to well future so the problem in many western countries is that we are of welfare states of. fat cats we took which are not investing in the future of our children in order to to twelve a bit situation then to heed use of frustrations of the middle class we have to invest in that have been education and not simply need to cation mitch mars and we do ok again is very interesting here because we actually look at who is going to house we had all who has the money our children we have to look who has the money and the fact katter's you say or the states and states seem to you have not the money right now tony if i go back to you does it bother you does it bother you that the the very rich in the united states particularly have recovered completely from the crisis of two thousand and eight their getting their bonuses their dividends vary and the economy is actually growing but the middle class is still being

pulverized i mean how do you feel about that because you know if you're really well off in the top one percent well you don't really worry about much of anything because you just outsource everything abroad. well i i don't accept the premise of your question and in the slightest i think that one of the greatnesses of the open markets is the opportunity to thrive and survive in my point to david earlier was that this idea that the job has to be handed to somebody whatever happened to the creation of the job what happened to the small business owner engaging a small business this goes back to the conversation about regulation which is a good conversation about how you grow an economy and make let's make it easier for people to open the business less paperwork more interaction with customers and that's a far better opportunity and let's not talk about the rising the wage just being stolen by a by the by the the owners that's not true rising wages help people all the way around though those companies and corporations. are the

people who create opportunity ok david go ahead because i haven't heard of an increase in wages for a long time which is are rising the part of the problem with the with the small business is it's part of the problem there's it's not regulation that's the you know yeah there's some regulation and so the problem is the customers aren't there people don't have the money now they've got so far in debt they're trying to get out of debt when people aren't buying small businesses suffer small businesses take the hit before the large businesses do so you've also got this peculiar perverse kind of new monopoly where the big companies the wal marts and so on are our cost cutting cost keeping prices down which is what people want but that means they keep pressure on their suppliers so that those wages stay down so that you've got this big problem when wages are down all over and the more unemployment the more downward pressure there is who's going to buy the stuff businesses private sector

won't invest because they don't see the customers there it's going to take the business private businesses will create jobs if demand is there. demand is there they won't create jobs they'll speculate the put their money somewhere else it doesn't make sense for them to invest in the real economy it doesn't make sense in them to invest long term this is why you've got such gridlock in the political system frankly i don't think the conservatives or the liberals know what to do they don't have any solutions so let the wealthy do what they can and make as much as they can you know before i don't know before i don't know what's going to happen but it's not going to be good if i go to you i mean and i'd like us focus a little bit about the political implications of this is david was saying here i mean if we look in the united states we see not only gridlock but we see fragmentation here and we don't see really strong allegiances anymore that we would think we're middle class because we can have the occupy wall street movement we can have the tea party simultaneously ok and that's

a reflection of the inability of the republicans and the democrats to get out of this economic mess and i would throw in the cultural wars that are absolutely useless for the united states and not so much for western europe i mean how is this happening here because again we look at middle classes of having certain political identity that's changing as well and it may not be good it may be good i don't know yet in fact in many many countries of the west you are increasing frustrations of the middle classes over the last twenty years and both heights wing and left wing solutions fade in front of economy clearly t. and of fairly t. over thinking and thinking you know well neither class so there are problems high to know is true of extreme frustration as the development of strong produced movements over all you hope and maybe or so in the united states n.z. is frustration increasing sue vicious cycle of political and they could make

problems so high trying and are left. these are your two two he creates class and these international competition you we have quite an hour or so political systems of the west all week in the week and i guess that in the end that's why i'm so at least i can go back to that problem if i go to tony on this because the middle class in the united states has been crushed for thirty years it is damaging the democracy in the united states because people are not seeing that they're the the political process can address their needs because far away from the united states most people look at the republicans and democrats and say what in the world is the difference between the two the do what's the difference between mitt romney and barack obama i mean standing at a distance there is no difference. yeah but that's another conversation a few other day. i'm ok and i'm good i'm good lately up for that but

your conversation is really about is government the ones to make this decision and are those those the ones we're supposed to depend on if you create the situation where people are depending on government to solve their problems they will of course be dissatisfied because they can't work it could never ever happen government can't solve your problem what government could do is create more problems for you and that's what we're seeing that's why these elections coming up the twenty twelve elections presidential election senate elections are so incredibly important because it's a conversation of dependence vorse versus independence does government to do for you or are you to do for you that is by the way the entire tea party thesis you do for you you enable your life government doesn't control again tony we don't want to . run out of time here many thanks to my guest today in new york chicago and in los angeles and thanks to our viewers for watching us here r.t. see you next time and remember crossfire.

israel's allies warn against an attack on iran and urged a diplomatic solution after brown responds to international pressure on its nuclear program with an oil embargo on britain and france. chinese me you accuse the u.s. and its allies of inciting civil war in syria by pushing the armed opposition into keeping up the fight against the government. and fresh from a green deepest era the cuts greece's prime minister flies to brussels hoping that your resume ministers by finally hand over the millions of euros needed to pay its debts.

it's eight am in the russian capital you're watching r.t.m. marina joshua welcome to the program now the u.s. and britain have warned israel not to attack iran's nuclear facilities urging diplomacy instead tehran denies accusations of developing atomic weapons saying its program is peaceful but as our reports from tel aviv despite those and isles and harsh sanctions israel is refusing to rule out a military strike. israel's leaders are actively drumming up the military rhetoric . really governments will continue to work hand in hand with the local security forces against such acts of terror and will continue to act against them forcefully systematically and calmly against international terrorism from iran. goob a potential israeli rocket clash looks more likely than ever there is speculation

a preemptive strike against iran's nuclear sites could happen as early as spring or summer although that's not causing undue concern in israel i think possibly people you know they make their plans for a vacation you know pass or a vacation summer vacation possibly people are beginning to wonder well is there going to be a war is something going to mess it up or i think they're probably going ahead with it with sort of a thought we're back tomorrow it would be nice if we could get a flight that we could cancel you know you know is that sort of thing israel has previous experience when it comes to putting an end to you kim visions which pose a potential threat in one thousand nine hundred one is jets wiped out reactors in iraq they struck again in two thousand and seven hitting sites in syria but with iran's nuclear program things may not be so simple if if israel attacks iran it will not stop iran forever from getting nuclear weapons the only postpone it for a relatively brief amount of time the. installations are too diverse and far

flung to destroy a fact of lee israel does not have us poor white house secretary adviser was in tel aviv over the weekend warning against a move on iran saying it was better to wait for tougher sanctions to take effect in the coming months but mines may already be made up i think one of the things to create this aura of inevitability is to shut them up to shut up opposition at home and of course to convince the united states and europe that this is an inevitability it's going to happen don't oppose it in fact why don't you help us out there is a question mark however over whether israel has what it takes to carry out the mission i doubt with the we have the capability. of creating the image is to the extent of the mediating the program and even if israel's military prowess will allow it to carry out a strike on underground facilities in iran located some sixteen hundred miles away

chances are it won't and if there were as you know saddam hussein and bashar assad by the time they knew what was happening was over and could just you know grumble without having to fight back you imagine iran sitting still you know all day day after day day after day well you're right as it is true for going to hit back i think any any sane person realizes that there will almost guaranteed be missiles falling on israel. and considering iran for one of the twentieth century's longest wars against iraq in the one nine hundred eighty s. the consequences could be far reaching and destructive. has or has been suffering some bad weather as of late but it's unlikely that even the strongest winds will blow the country's foreign policy off its course and when it comes to israel's forecast for iran the storm clouds seem to be growing ever darker in tel aviv r.t. . iran is hold the oil sales to britain and france in response to european union

sanctions the e.u. agreed a ban on arabian crude imports from july to pressure to iran to stop enriching uranium but a story in western tarpley says iran is sending a message that i won't be pushed around. economic sanctions are a game that two can play and turnabout is fair play in international affairs the european commission and the relevant powers have been making a big noise over the past couple of weeks about how they are going to embargo and boycott all iranian oil starting on july first well it's pretty obvious the iranians decided not to wait around until july first they've decided to to impose their own embargo boycott on the offending powers and they're starting with the the two biggest imperialist bullies on the schoolyard the british and the french who are now so weak that they can only act together they are a kind of imperialist bicycle built for two they haven't had time to carefully

arrange the fallback options in the alternative sources of oil so this is a little bit of a surprise to them. well the pressure intensified in iran find out a line or two dot com how these lot of state is preparing for the worst. playing war ron hold military exercises with its elite force assimilating into fans a response for an attack. next on the euro zone to stare to drive spain s thousands of workers walking out to protest recently approved labor reforms . the u.s. and its allies are pushing syria into civil war by backing the armed opposition there that's a view put forward by china's top newspaper article follows

a visit by one of beijing's top diplomats to damascus in attempts to mediate peace talks in syria china has teamed up with russia for its bring about a political settlement in the conflict torn country a washington wants without the picture and is urging the rebels to fight on that's a recipe for disaster for the syrian people according to the middle east blogger. assad were to step down tomorrow who is actually the legitimate this is the most political position to take control and when the west talks about supporting or the gulf states this side or the outside world actually the group so you go to finance or give some order to so within the vacuum who would step in you would have people returning from iraq the kind of the weapons or the experience and i think what we need to be aware of is this highly erratic nature of western policy in particular u.s. policy towards all the countries in the region particularly you know towards syria that it's kind of becoming provocative the west needs to step back and try to cool

things down before the escalate out of control. we're going to live from moscow still have read this hour rallying advance fascism find out how the u.s. presidential candidate has hit out at america's political system with some controversial comparison. greece is hoping the e.u. will finally hand over the economic bailout it has been dangling for months at a meeting in brussels later seventeen years on members will decide whether athens has made sufficient cuts and jammed through enough financial hoops to receive one hundred thirty billion euros to avoid default or brussels correspondent tess are silly is following the story another crucial meeting is taking place in brussels to be as the eurozone finance ministers gather after their last meeting with swiss ball for the last word state to today the big topic is still nice as it has been for the past few weeks now and the big question is will the speed will to secure that four hundred thirty billion euros

a bailout from its international but there's the cycle of the such of the country on the back of the bias of those watching the situation a greek default is still a possibility so we can see the exit from the results were some leaders have been trying very hard to keep a positive picture to all of this in the big german chancellor to look forward to whatever of course what you hope out is the solution of the answer that they both perceptive come up with at the end of today's meeting all of these efforts towards probably to put together a solution for to the greek crisis is to meet the deadline of march twenty fourth production. cost fourteen point five zero seven saudi will to do so it will be technically defaulting. tests are so you're reporting there in order to secure for the next bailout the greek government has approved three point three billion euros worth of cuts in public spending that triggered violence on the streets of athens over the past week as frustrated crowds scuffled with police and authorities jacob graves reports the rage within dishearten greek society is growing stronger with

every a sturdy vote. voting for morse there is something that dubbed by greece's caretaker prime minister has a moment of historic responsibility a notion some especially the greek population feel has been lost on euro zone leaders. i feel disappointed and sad because these measures were imposed on us by foreigners and we didn't have a say as the greek people that. the measures imposed on us there is a wise old greek proverb that a person who borrows and borrows becomes a slave who he borrows from because he is this rhetoric hasn't been isolated to the public after passing more unpopular cuts greek politicians were told that brussels amber lynn had her spoken the decision on another bailout that and questions over greece's place in the euro led the country's finance minister to talk they were toying with a nation's future

a sentiment increasingly echoed by greece's ruling elite. this is by no means the first set of austerity measures to be imposed on greece but with a significant amount of coalition m.p.'s choosing to say no it does mark a shift in thinking among governing politicians. share the grievances of the public and offer them an alternative they decided to vote against that because i had to actually as i said in my lead there with your all my confidence to our partners that's the european partners and the i.m.f. if the greek economy is not restart just if it doesn't go down the alley of development that eventually greece we at some point. in that case what will happen is that all of the assets of this country will actually pass in the hands of the. all the funders in total forty three m.p.'s in the ruling coalition chose to say no to morris their take it even among those in favor may remain hostile to the euro zone's message and how it's being delivered i think to such type of messages

brussels are helping to european forces and greece. and all of us that the measures don't solve the problem they make it worse we need development we need development for the survival of the greek economy the growing fear among both the greek public and politicians appears to be that eurozone leaders aren't all that bothered about their well being the main accusation being that they're plundering a sinking ship rather than keep peace afloat that's open resentment is largely based on ways of bailing out some cuts but appeared to hit pensioners and the poor the hardest there's more people as we see here very live victims of this situation because it's rewarding greece cover way too high the way they're really since last sunday's mass demonstrations against him ewing uproar has sent a message to those in athens and brussels though voting through austerity may have been an historic moment as one of the likely to put the nation's problems to bed.

meaning rather than being resigned to the past scenes of anger are likely to be part of greece's future. jake greece assy athens. and grace is fighting to secure its newest bailout but investment vizor patrick young says the deal give the e.u. far too much power over the government what we have here is basically that great scene in the hollywood adventure movie where someone has tripped and fallen over the edge of the cliff and he's being held onto by one armed by the person who we're not sure whether he's that beauty or the bad data is he gonna let them go and let them fall to a terrible death or is he going to hang on to them and gradually bring them up and that's where we are with three from the european union because actually what is being said behind closed doors and even to a degree in public is we've got some of those guys short of learning the german finance minister basically saying he doesn't trust the greeks to manage to hold up

to the agreements that they've made and tragically the greens track record of actually doing their bit in terms of what they're supposed to do in the past has been a huge feel so therefore we now have a situation where the greeks have said we'll do anything you want whatever you want we'll do it personally i think what's going to happen is that the finance ministers will probably agree to give greece some money and greece is going to find itself in a dreadful situation were like a nine year old child every friday it's going to have to go to daddy say it's done untold work so it's been a good boy and overall can it please have next week's pocket money in order to pay it civil servants and that's a horrible loss of sovereignty. but important is preaching safety first for russia saying its armed forces should be battle ready to face any threat that's latest pretty much a message from the prime minister as he prepares to take part in the presidential election in just under two weeks time well let's get the latest from our correspondent sara for us good morning to you sara so why is putting concentrating

on the military now. this is a six of the articles that have been published over the past week and the country's main east papers the previous articles have covered a wide range of topics from the economy to democracy so this latest one is covering national security and it really focuses on the need to upgrade the country's armed forces into the other and the prime minister writes about hundreds of thousands of dollars would be spent on not upgrades and outlines how self defense of the country really remains top priority. so we will under no conditions give up our strategic deterrent capability on the contrary we will strengthen and russia cannot rely on diplomatic and economic methods alone to remove contradictions and resolve conflicts. our armed

forces special services and other security agencies should be prepared to provide quick and effective responses to new challenge. now the full text. to be accessed on our website c dot com thanks very much on topic the prime minister is a visiting the country's far east today where he's at a meeting discussing the development of the military industrial complex that would be carried out over the course of the next ten years well it was just two weeks left until russians had to the polls how the presidential race shaping up here. well it certainly is a very interesting political. landscape here in the country we see what is political debate happening of course it is coming out the extremely see the topics really know so much about whether or not private the prime minister will win that presidential election it's thought that it's very likely he will he is the from run

of assessing we see a huge amount of political change here in the country over the past weeks and months he's seen a huge amount of protests counter-protests and as he said a wide ranging discussion to some extent these are schools that be contributing to that why decision discussion about what will happen as he said this because nobody say much of what will happen how the presidential elections what comes next really and a lot of talk about the change in the country you really have to see a political awakening amongst the he's among the country's population but you know all right sara thanks very much indeed for bringing us the very latest sarah ferguson reporting there from moscow. and a bit later here on r t we talked to the russian finance minister on tonsil on of on the prospects for the global economy this year and here's a preview of what he has to say about russia's accession to the w t o. two that we can see.