any intellect whatsoever and say that dependency doesn't put downward pressure and doesn't hurt people from rising up if you create an opportunity for people to get something for nothing and you put them in a place to desire the something for nothing they will never try and build up to say otherwise if you think it's going well you know you're just not going to just. david go ahead i don't think you'll say sure show you the line david i don't know i just tore up their welfare checks and went to work the jobs would be there right right. yes i'm feeling not what i said what i said david you got to actually pay attention to the words that come out of the mouth what i said is that when you think about the idea of the dependency class as if it's mythology that's not true that is an accurate when you have more people than ever than ever on food stamps one has to ask the question why some of the question has to deal with an economy some of it has to deal with the ease of being able to do that as opposed to other things so you have to take

a look at it in its totality not in the political landscape you desire it but quoting karl marx as a guy who understood and i think that is how do you know there aren't jobs for those people their jobs are there for those people that's the obvious if all those welfare people want to get a job is it there you david gentlemen i want to go to new york david dreier engines we have free time now for your time no no no no tell me what you claim i have to go to new york ok lou i think it's one of the interesting things that's happened right now is that and i would tend to agree with you and particularly in looking at europe and in the construction of the welfare state which was very popular with people in europe after the war but as the financial ization of the economy occurred you have this double whammy where the state can or cannot produce protect these people anymore and you see slashes in budgets and all that austerity doesn't create jobs at all that's a double whammy and that's another reason why the middle class at least in europe is being crushed and there's very little prospect of seeing them coming back. in

fact a. note on a do not g.'s turned on extremist case of welfare state is that it's not good it's not intrinsically good or bad the problem is in many western countries the heights and always that we are who bad with your state so it is not investing in should share in some not to take your pay and countries such as had earned you have a good way for a state that is investing in the future of children giving giving saying what all the genes a bitch education in in italy in their literature. in technologies enough and in fact a good way for state is a way for a to which is interesting to well future so the problem in many western countries is that we are of welfare states of. fat cats we took which are not investing in the future of our children in order to to to have a better situation and to heed use of frustrations of the middle class we have to

invest in that have been education and not simply need to cation mitch mars and we do ok ok very interesting here because we actually look at who is going to house we had so little has done i mean our children we have to look who has the money and the fat cats as you say or the states and states seem to have not the money right now tony if i go back to you does it bother you does it bother you that the the very rich in the united states particularly have recovered completely from the crisis of two thousand and eight they're getting their bonuses their dividends vary in the economy is actually growing but the middle class is still being pulverized i mean how do you feel about that because you know if you're really well off in the top one percent well you don't really worry about much of anything because you just outsource everything abroad. well i i don't accept the premise of your question and in the slightest i think that one of the greatnesses of the open markets is the opportunity to thrive and survive in my point to david earlier was that this idea

that the job has to be handed to somebody whatever happened to the creation of the job what happened to the small business owner engaging a small business this goes back to the conversation about regulation which is a good conversation about how you grow an economy and make let's make it easier for people to open the business less paperwork more interaction with customers and that's a far better opportunity and let's not talk about the rising wage just being stolen by a by the by the the owners that's not true rising wages help people all the way around though the those companies and corporations. and save it are the people who create opportunity ok david go ahead because i haven't heard of an increase in wages for a long time with these are rising the part of the problem with the with the small business is it's part of the problem there's it's not regulation that's the you know yeah there's some regulation and so the problem is the customers aren't there people don't have the money now they've got so far in debt they're trying to get

out of debt when people aren't buying small businesses suffer small businesses take the hit before the large businesses do so you've also got this peculiar perverse kind of new monopoly where the big companies the wal marts and so on are our cost cutting cost keeping prices down which is what people want but that means they keep pressure on their suppliers so that those wages stay down so that you've got this big problem when wages are down all over and the more unemployment the more downward pressure there is who's going to buy the stuff businesses private sector won't invest because they don't see the customers there it's going to take the business private businesses will create jobs if demand is there if the. man is there they won't create jobs they'll speculate they'll put their money somewhere else it doesn't make sense for them to invest in the real economy it doesn't make sense in them to invest long term this is why you've got such gridlock in the

political system frankly i don't think the conservatives or the liberals know what to do they don't have any solutions so let the wealthy do what they can and make as much as they can you know before i don't know before i don't know what's going to happen but it's not going to be good if i go to you i mean and i'd like to focus a little bit about the political implications of this is david was saying here i mean if we look in the united states we see not only gridlock but we see fragmentation here and we don't see really strong allegiances anymore that we would think we're middle class because we can have the occupy wall street movement we can have the tea party simultaneously ok and that's a reflection of the inability of the republicans and the democrats to get out of this economic mess and i would throw in cultural wars that are absolutely useless for the united states and not so much for western europe i mean how is this happening here because again we look at middle classes of having certain political identity that's changing as well and it may not be good it may be good i don't know

yet in fact in many many countries of the west you are increasing frustrations of the middle classes over the last twenty years and both heights wing and left wing solutions fade in front of economy clearly t. and of fairly t. overthinking and sinking in oh well media class so their problem hi to know is that you of extreme frustration is the development of strong produced movements over all you hope and maybe or so in the united states n.z. is frustration or increasing vicious cycle of political and they could make problems so high trying and are left. these are your two two he creates class and these international competition you we have whites in our political systems of the west we kill and we kill and i guess that in

the end that's why i say the least i could go back and problem if i go to tony on this because the middle class in the united states has been crushed for thirty years it is damaging the democracy in the united states because people are not seeing that there the the political process can address their needs because far away from the united states most people look at the republicans and democrats and say what in the world is the difference between the two the do what's the difference between mitt romney and barack obama i mean standing at a distance there is no difference. yeah but that's another conversation of the day right now there are some ground i'm ok and i'm good i'm good lately up for that but your conversation is really about is government the ones to make this decision and are those those the ones we're supposed to depend on if you create the situation where people are depending on government to solve their problems they will of course be dissatisfied because they can't work it could never ever happen government can't solve your problem what government could do is create more

problems for you and that's what we're seeing that's why these elections coming up the twenty twelve elections presidential election senate elections are so incredibly important because it's a conversation of dependence vorse versus independence does government to do for you or are you to do for you that is by the way the entire tea party thesis you do for you you enable your life government doesn't control antonio we don't want to. run out of time here many thanks to my guest today in new york chicago and in los angeles and thanks to our viewers for watching us here r.t. see you next time and remember crosstalk.

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on the dot com. israel's allies warn against an attack on iran and urge a diplomatic solution as to iran responds to international pressure on its nuclear program with an oil embargo in britain and france. the chinese government uses its main newspaper to accuse the us and its allies of pushing the opposition in syria to fight a prolonged civil war. and fresh from agreeing deepest era the cuts greece's prime minister flies to brussels hoping that you result ministers might finally hand over the billions of euros needed to pay its debts.

what you are going to live from moscow i'm marina joshing the u.s. and britain have warned israel not to attack iran's nuclear facilities urging diplomacy instead tehran currently being visited by u.n. inspectors denies accusations it's developing atomic weapons saying its program is peaceful but as are reports from tel aviv israel could now be autumn stoppable pass to a military strike. israel's leaders are actively drumming up their military rhetoric . to home these really governments will continue to work hand in hand with the local security forces against such acts of terror and will continue to act against them forcefully systematically and calmly against international terror a region ating from iran. goob a potential israeli rug clash looks more likely than ever there is speculation

a preemptive strike against iran's nuclear sites could happen as early as spring or summer although that's not causing undue concern in israel i think possibly people you know they make their plans for a vacation you know pass or a vacation summer vacation possibly people are beginning to wonder well is there going to be a war is something going to mess it up or i think they're probably going ahead with it with sort of a thought we're back tomorrow it would be nice if we could get a flight that we could cancel you know you know it's that sort of thing israel has previous experience when it comes to putting in then to you kim bishan swish pose a potential threat in one thousand nine hundred one is just wiped out reactors in iraq they struck again in two thousand and seven hitting sites in syria but with iran's nuclear program things may not be so simple if israel attacks iran it will not stop iran forever from getting nuclear weapons the only postpone it for a relatively brief amount of time the. installations are too diverse and far

flung to destroy affectively israel does not have us poor white house secretary adviser was in tel aviv over the weekend warning against a move on iran saying it was better to wait for tougher sanctions to take effect in the coming months but mines may already be made up i think one of the things to create this aura of inevitability is to shut them up to shut up opposition at home and of course to convince the united states and europe that this is an inevitability it's going to happen. don't oppose it in fact why don't you help us out there is a question mark however over whether israel has what it takes to carry out their mission i doubt with the will you have the capability. to the extent of the media to the program and even if israel's military prowess will allow it to carry out a strike on underground facilities in iran located some sixteen hundred miles away

chances are if there were as you know saddam hussein and bashar assad by the time they knew what was happening was over and could just you know grow without adding to fight back do you imagine you run sitting still you know all day day after day day after day while the writers who do truth are going to hit back i think any any sane person realizes that there will almost guaranteed be missiles falling on israel. and considering your own for one of the twentieth century's longest wars against iraq in the one nine hundred eighty s. the consequences could be far reaching and destructive. israel has been suffering some but whether is of late but it's so likely that even the strongest winds will blow the country's foreign policy off its course and when it comes to israel's forecast for iran the storm clouds seem to be growing ever darker in tel aviv video r.t. . iran's hold on oil supplies to the u.k. and france has had an inevitable effect on prices to find out more business jets.

that's right oil prices are surging to a nine month high on monday after iran decided to halt exports to the u.k. and some european countries find out if we should expect the price rally to continue in about twenty minutes. now with pressure or intensified in iran find out online at r.t. dot com how these lobby state is preparing for the worst by plane war iran holds no greater sizes whether it's elite forces simulating a defensive response to a foreign attack are. also on our website next in line to euro zone just air and drive it's spain as thousands of workers walk out to protest recently approved labor reforms.

the u.s. and its allies are pushing syria into civil war by backing the armed opposition there that's a view put forward by china's top newspaper the article follows a visit by one of vision's top diplomats to damascus in the latest attempt to mediate peace talks china joined russia's efforts to bring about a political settlement in the conflict torn country and washington wants president assad out of the picture and is urging the rebels to fight on that's a recipe for disaster for the syrian people according to the middle east blogger called. assad were to step down to morrow who is actually the legitimate this intimate political opposition to take control and when the west talks about supporting or the gulf states this side or the outside world actually the group so you go to finance or give some order to so within the vacuum who would step in you would have people returning from iraq the kind of the weapons or the experience and i think what we really need to be aware of is this highly erratic nature of western

policy in particular u.s. policy towards all the countries in the region particularly you know towards syria that it's kind of becoming provocative the west really needs to step back and try to cool things down before the escalate out of control. still have for you this hour a national security in prime focus. with just two weeks left in the presidential race and flooding nepeta in releases his vision for the teacher of russia's armed forces will bring you all the details on that coming up shortly. but. it's all designed to keep you close in your own small world as

a prison. you know you leave somebody in there for a couple hours like in the stress positions. you have this fear of the unknown in this stress sort of building and. i've seen interrogations go on ten twelve hours they chose songs i remember from marilyn manson and metallica slayer the two songs would be angel of death and raining blood to kill the enemy going through war coming up here into iraq to bury. johnny put the body to the floor which is the rock n roll band is fitting for the job we were doing. grease is waiting for the e.u. to decide whether it has done enough to qualify for the one hundred thirty billion

euro handout that's been dangling for months the government's approval of three billion euros in cuts to public spending lead to violence on the streets of athens as artie's jake agrees reports the rage within disheartened greek society it's growing strong. every measure the government takes voting for morse there is something that dubbed by greece's caretaker prime minister has a moment of historic responsibility a notion some especially the greek population feel has been lost on eurozone leaders but i feel disappointed and sad because these measures were imposed on us by foreigners and we didn't have a say as the greek people. wish there is a wise old greek proverb that a person who borrows and borrows becomes the slave of who he borrows from an uptick sickness after passing more unpopular cuts greek politicians are told that brussels i am berlin perspire in the decision on another bailout that and questions over

greece's place in the euro led the country's finance minister to talk they were toying with a nation's future this is by no means the first set of austerity measures to be imposed on greece but with a significant amount of coalition m.p.'s choosing to say no it does mark a shift in thinking among governing politicians. share the grievances of the public and offer them an alternative if the greek economy is not restart just if it doesn't go down the alley of development eventually greece we at some point. in that case what will happen is that all of the assets of this country will actually pass in the hands of the. of the funders in total forty three m.p.'s in the ruling coalition chose to say no to morris there or to they even among those in favor may remain hostile to the euro zone's message and how it's being delivered i think to such type of messages brussels are helping the people forces in greece.

and all of us that the measures don't solve the problem they make it worse we need development we need development for the survivor the greek economy the growing among both the greek the public to. she appears to be that eurozone leaders aren't all that bothered about their well being of this world people as we see very little of this intuition because it's rewarding greece cover way too hard the way they're really since last sunday's mass demonstrations and continuing uproar has sent a message to those in athens and brussels that though voting through austerity may have been an historic moment as one of the likely to put the nation's problems to bed meaning rather than being resigned to the past scenes of anger are likely to be part of greece's future. greece assy athens. short of saving it from a financial abyss investment advisor patrick young is one of those who thinks

greece is supposed to at the hands of the e.u. will leave it more or less powerless. what we have here is basically that great scene in the hollywood adventure movie where someone has tripped and fallen over the edge of the cliff and he's being held onto by one armed by the person who we're not sure whether he's that beauty or the bad easy gonna let them go and let them fall to a terrible death or is he going to hang on to them and gradually bring them up and that's where we are with greece and the european union because actually what is being said behind closed doors and even to a degree in public is we've got some of those going short of learning the german finance minister basically saying he doesn't trust the greeks to manage to hold up to the agreements that they've made and tragically the greens track record of actually doing their bit in terms of what they're supposed to do in the past has been a huge fail so therefore we now have a situation where the greeks have said we'll do anything you want whatever you want we'll do it personally i think what's going to happen is that the finance ministers

will probably agree to give greece some money and greece is going to find itself in a dreadful situation where like a nine year old child every friday it's going to have to go to daddy say it's done untold work say it's been a good boy and overall can actually see how the next two weeks pocket money in order to pay it civil servants and that's a horrible loss of sovereignty. now let him report in his preaching safety first for russia saying its armed forces should be ballin ready to face and he threat that's the latest pretty lection message from the prime minister as he prepares to take part in the presidential election in just under two weeks time well let's now get the latest from our correspondents here first so sara tell us why put is concentrating on the military now. this is the sixth of the series of all schools that have been being published on a monday in the may need state is in the country and our previous thought schools have touched on a wide range of subjects for the economy to democracy the subject to this one is

national security in addresses the need to update the own forces in the country and among some of the things that the school touches upon the need for the nuclear deterrent it talks about how important that still remains in russia it does talk about in the future upgrading days nuclear weapons to different types of weaponry at the time big with the local and regional threats that it makes reference to some of which have come very close to russia's borders it's said that the new candidates have really remains a top priority for national security and indeed for the country as well know there were some objections we know from russian lawmakers about the amounts that were being spent oh put out of about to be spent on updating security and this case the article talks of hundreds of billions of dollars being spent

a very period of about ten years to upgrade the fool says with the prime minister stressing other this isn't a time to be weak. we will under no conditions give up our strategic deterrent capability on the contrary we will strengthen it russia cannot rely on diplomatic and economic methods alone to remove contradictions and resolve conflicts our armed forces special services and other security agencies should be prepared to provide quick and effective responses to new challenges. so you can see the rest of the take from that article translated on our website are to go and stay on topic the prime minister today visiting the countries far east lays in a meeting for discussions about the development of the military industrial complex again will be developed over the course of the next ten years. or so talk about how

the presidential race is shaping up the moment with only two weeks remaining before russians have to the polls to choose their new leader. certainly not long to go and it's been an extremely exciting political landscape some would say we seen in the lead up to the parliamentary elections and now again in the lead up to the presidential elections the protest movement counter-protests a huge amount of political debate says to be seen as a needless to landscape here in the country with a sort of awakening amongst the take the middle class here in russia and in some ways you could say that these articles that have been published by the prime minister the have since the way to respond to some of these the months that we've been seeing that being made by the population remember if he does get into power if he does win the presidential race that he is expected to he could potentially be in power for twelve years among the electorate there's certainly

a lot of talk about the sort of reforms that they want to see kids through the time big certainly these she's not say much about who will win as we said he is expected to win that he is the front runner the may have a bit about what will come next what the changes will be and certainly these are schools that have been seen by some as the prime minister alleging out his vision for the country over the next ten years will say all right sara thanks very much indeed for following those developments for us there sara for of reporting there live from moscow. and you're watching r t let's now take a look at some other stories from around the world south korea has begun live fire military drills on islands near its disputed sea border with north korea which have threatened to attack in response so far the north does not appear to have reacted in twenty tempo yang responded to on military drills from its neighbor with an artillery attack that killed four south koreans. fighting between two warring drug cartels led to the deaths of forty four inmates in what could be mexico's deadliest prison riot a clash.