second of all it is a thrill to hear people say and recognize that the eight point three percent unemployment numbers in america are false because when you don't clue one point two million people on the rolls you can say that the number has gone down number three it is capitalism the open market that creates jobs and opportunities allows people to grow thrive and survive you can't say and you can't sit there and pretend that you're in any way have any intellect whatsoever and say that dependency doesn't put downward pressure and doesn't hurt people from rising up if you create an opportunity for people to get something for nothing and you put them in a place to desire the something for nothing they will never try and build up to say otherwise you think. you're just going to just. david go ahead i don't think you'll say sure there's no you can find david i don't know i just tore up the welfare checks and went to work the jobs would be there right right. yes i'm feeling not what i said what i said david you got to actually pay attention to the

words that come out of the mouth what i said is that when you think about the idea of the dependency class as if it's mythology that's not true that is an accurate when you have more people than ever than ever on food stamps one has to ask the question why some of the question has to deal with an economy some of it has to deal with the ease of being able to do that as opposed to other things so you have to take a look at it in its totality not in the political landscape you desire it but quoting karl marx as a guy who. thinks that is why there aren't jobs for those people their jobs are there for those people that's the obvious if all those welfare people went out to get a job is it there you go with david all right gentlemen i want to go to new york david dreier engines we have free time you want to turn the no telling when you play i have to go to new york ok lou i think it's one of the interesting things that's happened right now is that and i would tend to agree with you and particularly in looking at europe and in the construction of the welfare state which was very

popular with people in europe after the war but as the financial ization of the economy occurred you have this double whammy where the state can or cannot produce protect these people anymore and you see slashes in budgets and all that austerity doesn't create jobs at all that's a double whammy and that's another reason why the middle class at least in europe is being crushed and there's very little prospect of seeing them coming back. in fact. notes on a do not g.'s turned on extremist case of welfare state is that it's not good it's not intrinsically good or bad the problem is in many western countries the heights and always that we are who bad with state so it is not investing in should share in some never take your pay and countries such as sweden you have a good way for a state that is investing in the future of children giving givings and went to all the genes a bit or education in immediately. technologies enough and

in fact a good way for state is a way for theta which is interesting to well future so the problem in many western countries is that we are of welfare states of. fat cats we took which are not investing in the future of our children in order to to to have a better situation and to heed use of frustrations of the middle class we have to invest that have been education and not simply need to cation mitch mars and we do ok ok it's very interesting here because we actually look at who was going to house we had all who has the money our children we have to look who has the money and the fat cats as you say or the states and states seem to have not the money right now tony if i go back to you does it bother you does it bother you that the the very rich in the united states particularly have recovered completely from the crisis of two thousand and eight they're getting their bonuses their dividends vary in the economy is actually growing but the middle class is still being pulverized i mean

how do you feel about that because you know if you're really well off in the top one percent well you don't really worry about much of anything because you just outsource everything abroad. well i i don't accept the premise of your question and in the slightest i think that one of the greatnesses of the open markets is the opportunity to thrive and survive in my point to david earlier was that this idea that the job has to be handed to somebody whatever happened to the creation of the job what happened to the small business owner engaging a small business this goes back to the conversation about regulation which is a good conversation about how you grow an economy and make let's make it easier for people to open the business less paperwork more interaction with customers that's a far better opportunity and let's not talk about the rising wage just being stolen by a by the by the owners that's not true rising wages help people all the way around though the those companies and corporations. and save it are the people who

create opportunity ok david go ahead because i haven't heard of an increase in wages for a long time with these are rising the part of the problem with the with the small business is it's part of the problem there's it's not regulation that's the you know yeah there's some regulation and so the problem is the customers aren't there people don't have the money now they've got so far in debt they're trying to get out of debt when people aren't buying small businesses suffer small businesses take the hit before the large businesses do so you've also got this peculiar perverse kind of new monopoly where the big companies the wal marts and so on are our cost cutting cost keeping prices down which is what people want but that means they keep pressure on their suppliers so that those wages stay down so that you've got this big problem when wages are down all over and the more unemployment the more downward pressure there is who's going to buy the stuff businesses private sector

won't invest because they don't see the customers there it's going to take the business private businesses will create jobs if demand is there if the. man is there they won't create jobs they'll speculate they'll put their money somewhere else it doesn't make sense for them to invest in the real economy it doesn't make sense in them to invest long term this is why you've got such gridlock in the political system frankly i don't think the conservatives or the liberals know what to do they don't have any solutions so let the wealthy do what they can and make as much as they can you know before i don't know before i don't know what's going to happen but it's not going to be good if i go to you i mean and i'd like to focus a little bit about the political implications of this is david was saying here i mean if we look in the united states we see not only gridlock but we see fragmentation here and we don't see really strong allegiances anymore that we would think we're middle class because we can have the occupy wall street movement we can have the tea party simultaneously ok and that's

a reflection of the inability of the republicans and the democrats to get out of this economic mess and i would throw in cultural wars that are absolutely useless for the united states and not so much for western europe i mean how is this happening here because again we look at middle classes of having certain political identity that's changing as well and it may not be good it may be good i don't know yet in fact in many many countries of the west you are increasing frustrations of the middle classes over the last twenty years and both heights wing and left wing solutions fade in front over of economy clearly t. and of fairly t. over thinking and thinking you know well middle class so there are problems high to know is that you of extreme frustrations the development of strong produced. over all you hope and maybe or so in the united states n.z. is frustration increasing vicious cycle of political and they could make

problems so high trying and lift. these are your two two he creates class and these international competition you we have whites in our political systems of the west we kill and we kill and i guess that in the end that's what i am so at least i can go back to that problem if i go to tony on this because the middle class in the united states has been crushed for thirty years it is damaging the democracy in the united states because people are not seeing that there the the political process can address their needs because far away from the united states most people look at the republicans and democrats and say what in the world is the difference between the two the do what's the difference between mitt romney and barack obama i mean standing at a distance there is no difference. yeah but that's another conversation of your day right now there is a ground for ok and i'm good i'm good lately up for that but your conversation

is really about is government the ones to make this decision and are those the ones we're supposed to depend on if you create the situation where people are depending on government to solve their problems they will of course be dissatisfied because they can't work it could never ever happen government can't solve your problem what government could do is create more problems for you and that's what we're seeing that's why these elections coming up the twenty twelve elections presidential election senate elections are so incredibly important because it's a conversation of dependence on horse versus independence does government to do for you or are you to do for you that is by the way the entire tea party thesis you do for you you enable your life government control again tony we don't want to. run out of time here many thanks to my guest today in new york chicago and in los angeles and thanks to our viewers for watching us here arche see you next time and remember crossfire.

chinese state media says the u.s. and nato countries support of syria's opposition fighters is driving the nation all out civil war. decision time for greece it's predator's debate whether apples will sink or population rages against the made to secure the bailout. and on the path toward london and washington warn israel against attacking iran its nuclear sites urging for time to let sanctions do their job.

thanks for being with us four o'clock here in moscow i'm karen. the u.s. and its allies are pushing syria into civil war by backing the armed opposition lairs says a chinese state newspaper beijing joined moscow's efforts to bring about a political settlement in the crisis torn country with top with a top chinese diplomat recently visiting to ask us archies maria for national is in syria. fifty kilometers northwest of damascus lebanon just over the border once a relaxed luxury mountain resort the town has recently been the scene of brutal clashes between assad's forces and and to government groups there was a lull in the fighting and as we approach the siege we're not sure who's in control at the checkpoint they are happy to see a russian television crew as solid hint about who is in charge here russia is among

the few country. he's still talking to assad and calling for others to have dialogue with the regime along with china it to be towed to the u.n. security council's resolution and voted against another one at the general assembly which put pressure on assad to leave russia will come they tell us this town nobody home to around twenty thousand people looks abandoned the reminders of recent turbulence tell their own tale of what happened here on these walls you can see the story of the conflict how it was developing here in the city of there by danny initially there were some graffiti here about president bashar al assad then when the armed groups operating in this area took control over this town new graffiti is a period of course and to government one of the army regain control of his adani they destroyed them or they tried to destroy them all at least but some still remain. when we are in town we can hear sounds of shelling some turn

a deaf ear to it would always find a shooting but i don't know those who agreed to talk don't want to show their face . the army intervene and it's killing us they're showing random houses searching arresting people there's f.s.a. in armor groups on the ground too few. but not everyone here says the situation in the same way was when armed people came here we asked the army to stand up for us now they are controlling the city at dulles sharp is an area where much of the fighting took place. i was away when i arrived the army told me there had been a big battle here is the army is now here there's no groups anymore no tension most of the daniel the clashes between security forces and the armed opposition groups here near the town of the dunny have been very severe how it all stopped the locals

tell us that their town has a unique story when the violence started the residents decided to intervene and there has allegedly been an agreement between the army and the opposition that both of them leave the town although the military officer we have been able to speak to didn't confirm that and we can still see. many military and machinery inside the city we had a look around and counted at least thirteen tanks but the military tell us they were only used as protection on the way back through the checkpoint and officers keep supporting everyone suspicious in this violence locked nation rafer nationality danny syria. washington and its allies are calling on president assad to step down while rallying further support for the rebels middle east blogger coral shower oh says this approach will spell chaos for the syrian people. assume assad were to step down tomorrow who is actually the legitimate

political opposition to take control and when the west talks about supporting or the gulf states this side or that side what actually the group say you would go to and finance or give support to so within the vacuum who would step in you would have people returning from iraq that has kind of the weapons or the experience and i think what we really need to be aware of is this highly erratic nature of western policy in particular u.s. policy towards all the countries in the region but particularly now towards syria that is kind of becoming provocative the west really needs to step back and try to cool things down before the escalate out of control. mentally blogger karl sorry talking to us there from london. it's the moment of truth for greece euro zone finance ministers gather in brussels to decide its future by france french finance minister has hinted the outcome could be in athens as favor greece has met all of

its creditors demands to secure the second bailout and is expecting to be rewarded with the euro zone's banking the country has already forced a massive new austerity package to qualify for one hundred thirty billion euros of rescue catch but there is now talks that funds could be paid into a specially set up account athens access to it would be restricted and if it misses its targets the cash flow would stop the rage of the greek people however is only growing with every new political measure imposed as artie's jacob greets reports voting for more spirity soviet dubbed by greece's caretaker prime minister as a moment of historic responsibility a notion some especially the greek population feel has been lost on eurozone leaders. i feel disappointed and sad because these measures were imposed on us by foreigners and we didn't have a say as a greek people. which there is a wise old greek proverb that the person who borrows and borrows becomes the slave

of who he borrows from because after passing more unpopular cuts greek politicians are told that brussels lynn cutler spode the decision on another bailout that and questions over greece's place in the euro led the country's finance minister to talk they were toying with a nation's future this is by no means the birth of austerity measures to be imposed on greece but with a significant amount of coalition m.p.'s choosing to say you know it does mark a shift in thinking among governing politicians willing to share the grievances of the public and offer them. an alternative if the greek economy is not restart just if it doesn't go down the alley of development that eventually greece we at some point will bankrupt. in that case what will happen is that all of the assets of this country will actually pass in the hands of the. all the funders in total forty three m.p.'s in the ruling coalition chose to say no to more starer to they even

among those in favor may remain hostile to the euro zone's message and how it's being delivered i think to such type of message is brussels are helping to european forces in greece. and all of us that the measures don't solve the problem they make it worse we need development we need development for the survivor the greek economy the growing fear among both the greek public and politicians has to be that eurozone leaders aren't all that bothered about their well being there's more people as we see here very living things of this situation because it's rewarding greece cover way too high the way veritas last sunday's mass demonstrations a good team uing up raul has sent a message to those in athens and brussels but those voting through austerity may have been an historic moment as one of the likely to put the nation's problems to bed. meaning rather than being resigned to the past seas of anger are likely to be

part of greece's future. greece r.t. athens. tell us what you think about greece's financial woes and r.t. dot com we ask what more rescue funds will mean for the country ef the bailout is handed over top of you think our friends is already doomed and more cash will make no difference a lot of you also believe the bailout and the cuts needed to secure will only make people's lives harder just six percent of you say the e.u. will not let greece collapse even fewer believe bailouts are the only way for greece to stay afloat we asked investment advisor patrick young the same question and he says more rescue cash will mean a loss of great sovereignty. what we have here is basically that great scene in the hollywood adventure movie were someone has tripped and fallen over the edge of the cliff and he's being held onto by one armed by the person who we're not sure whether he's the beauty or the easy gonna let them go and let them fall to

a terrible death or is it going to hang on to them and gradually bring them out and that's where we are with three from the european union because actually what is being said behind closed doors and even to a degree in the public is we've got some of those going short of learning the german finance minister basically saying he doesn't trust the greeks to manage to hold on to the agreements that they've made and tragically the greens track record of actually doing their bit in terms of what they're supposed to do in the past has been a huge deal so therefore we now have a situation where the greeks have said we'll do anything you want whatever you want we'll do it personally i think what's going to happen is that the finance ministers will probably agree to give greece some money and greece is going to find itself in a dreadful situation were like a nine year old child every friday it's going to have to go to daddy so it's done untold work so it's been a good boy and overall trying to please have next week's pocket money. in order to pay it civil servants and that's

a horrible loss of sovereignty and coming up here on our national security and prime focus. just a couple of weeks left in the presidential race a lot of it putin's outlined his vision for the feature of russia's armed forces are going to have all of the details on that coming up shortly for you. and we ask why the afghan president's efforts to secure pakistan's help in talking peace with the taliban are coming up against a brick wall. the u.s. and britain are warning israel not to attack iran's nuclear facilities saying new sanctions need time to work currently being visited by u.n. inspectors denies accusations it's developing atomic weapons but israel which also accuses of attacking its diplomats abroad could now be on an unstoppable path to a military strike as artie's arena reports from tel aviv. israel's leaders are

actively drumming up the military rhetoric. home iran is the biggest terror exporter in the world the israeli government and its security forces will continue to act forcefully systematically and calmly against international terror region eating from iran. a potential israeli rather clash looks more likely than never there is speculation a preemptive strike against iran's nuclear sites could happen as early as spring or summer although that's not causing undue concern in israel i think possibly people you know they make their plans for a vacation you know pass or a vacation summer vacation possibly people are beginning to wonder well is there going to be a war is something going to mess it up or i think they're probably going ahead with it with sort of a thought we're back home or it would be nice if we could get a flight that we could cancel you know you know is that sort of thing israel has previous experience when it comes to putting in. to nuclear ambitions which pose

a potential threat in one thousand nine hundred one is jets wiped out reactors in iraq they struck again in two thousand and seven hitting sites in syria but with iran's nuclear program things may not be so simple if if israel attacks iran it will not stop iran forever from getting nuclear weapons the only postpone it for a relatively brief amount of time the the installations are too diverse and far flung to destroy a fact of fully israel does not have us support the white house secretary adviser was in israel over the weekend warning against a move on iran saying it was better to wait for tougher sanctions to take effect in the coming months but mines male ready be made up i think one of the things to create this aura of inevitability is to shut them up to shut up opposition at home and of course to convince the united states and europe that this is an inevitability it's going to happen don't oppose it in fact why don't you help us

out there is a question mark however over whether israel has what it takes to carry out the mission our dog with the we have the capability. of creating the images to the extent of the mediating the program and even if israel's military prowess will allow it to carry out a strike on underground facilities in iran chances are it won't end there as you know saddam hussein and bashar assad by the time they knew what was happening was over and could just you know grumble without having to fight back you imagine you run sitting still you know all day after day day after day what is this true figure back i think any any sane person realizes that there will almost guaranteed be missiles falling on israel and considering iran for one of the twentieth century's longest wars against iraq in the one nine hundred eighty s. the consequences could be far reaching and destructive. israel has been suffering

some bad weather is of late but it's unlikely that even the strongest winds will blow the country's foreign policy off its course and when it comes to israel's forecast for iran this storm clouds seem to be growing ever darker in tel aviv r.t. . and iran has decided to hit back at the international sanctions by stopping oil sales to the u.k. and france attack iran is aiming to preempt embargo on iranian crude and ports set to start this july let's find out what impact that's had on the markets from our business desk. well brown's oil is at one hundred one dollars per barrel light sweet one hundred five and that means this is a nine month high we're seeing for oil prices but analysts have already told business i'd say they're not expecting that much growth for in oil prices in the coming days because the factor of iran has already been priced in and england and france are not that much reliant on supplies and also we have heard statements from saudi arabia that it will be able to compensate for all the oil that potentially

could fail to supply we'll have more on this in a round. up of. well as a matter portends. has pledged to make national security his key strategy strategy saying russia must be battle ready against any outside threat and a strong message comes as part of the prime minister's campaign for the presidential election just under two weeks away sarah firth has the details of the priorities that it lays out here weapons and missiles defense intelligence i don't know greatest well if the navy the air force and the army now this case will enable holes was set to cost hundreds of billions of dollars and we know there has been some consensus on russian lawmakers over the amount of money that it will take to modernize and said this is the prime minister stressing in the article that it's not trying to appear weak the article mentions that this is in some ways

a response to the rise of local regional conflicts some of which it says you know castrated on russia's buddhas that it also touches on the perceived threat of the nato missile defense shield in europe now some of this modernization has actually already gotten underway some of the bolstering of the missiles we know that ever she's deployed the newly developed ballistic missile the that's designed to carry nuclear warheads and russia says that that can break through any missile defense shield never she is also going to be still the deal to buy at the midst of all these the helicopter carrying warships and it's still that deal with france and interesting time politically in the country here we've had protests counter-protests why it's political debate it really will seem seen as an awakening amongst the population politically. and as we said in the bill that says that the.