tv [untitled] February 22, 2012 3:30pm-4:00pm EST
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u.s. prepares to pull the strings of the syrian conflict possibly arming the rebels ruggedness weapons and al-qaeda linked militants already pouring across its shared border. skirmish police laid to teachers and students of there's no heat in their classrooms thanks to those thirty cars and a major credit rating agencies downgrade greek debt they can sink a default is all but unavoidable. and iran's nuclear program must be targeted with a military strike that's reported view of israeli intelligence following a u.n. inspection that failed to preserve the data for. more developments more analysis for you and our top stories a little later in half an hour from now in the meantime the second part of our special report songs of war which explores the longstanding relationship between violence and music that's our special projects.
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combs not caught. in the music. during the vietnam war american sports with only by military power the supreme being may could not win with conventional weapons some learned. in order to defeat difficulties psychological operations i suppose i could friedman counted on musically the effect to tip the scales we had tanks with loud speakers a lot of we had jeeps of loud speakers we had aircraft that could fly over with loudspeakers and we had men that actually put the last because on that back they had little packs that they would and they would just walk right into the jungle and they would play it. the americans once it's a beach the vietnamese with military might but at the same time with mascots and minds before they commissioned pro-american songs to win the movie. but when the vietcong intensified ferret's heights the u.s.
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military strategy changed from now on the resounds poured out of the backpack speech because. it hit the knees have a tradition that if you don't die close to home you know very close to home your soul will wander forever so the americans actually use that start a campaign called the wandering soul and we produced tapes that had funeral music funeral dirge is very sad music and in the background you had a voice of a dead father. telling the stories wife you were coming home with this little wonder for ever it was used to we're tempted to moralize soldiers still.
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there is no evidence whether the psychedelic sounds great ever convinced any of us can give up fighting the us lost the war and never the lose. to the us military uses music as a weapon much more deliberately affectively christmas films along to you wants to meet a man who was arrested doesn't know much terrorist in pakistan in two thousand and two. we're going to go meet those in baghdad who was actually educated me who was held at guantanamo so this is the first time i'm really going to meet someone who might actually have
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been exposed to music being used as part of interrogations and what better way to learn about if and when first. on the minds of thirty first to channel two thousand and two there was a knock on my door i open the door a group of people barged into my house one put a constraint to my head pushed me out to the forecourt of my car of my house they tied my hands behind my back shackled my legs and put a hood over my head and carried me to the back of the vehicle in front of my wife and kids. want some bacon so purser's sources of two thousand and one he'd moved to pakistan with his family he says he went there to build a school for girls. but u.s. authorities are accused for some of having worked for al qaeda and the taliban for over three years they tried to prison in guantanamo during his trial he was
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interrogated three hundred toy. near the authorities released her without trial. moment i was one dollar to u.s. military custody is when the mistreatment began and they can be thrown on the floor shackled punched extra clothes ripped off dogs barking at me and this kind of thing happened happily granted it happened on time the moves well the treatment in guantanamo i would say was moved torturous the torture us. nonetheless. extended periods of periods of isolation in guantanamo or of the. destroyed people's minds there have been of course that's in kuantan of people still maintain that what's happening to the people over there is a form of torture but it is not the physical type of torture that we had but right
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now so i want to get back to the music why do you think that they picked music as part of this mix in this situation clearly it was purely it's the story and the enemy as they chose songs i remember from marilyn manson and metallica and i suppose i had the privilege or the. the discomfort to to know the difference because you know these songs from having grown up in the u.k. i knew these songs very well i listened to many of them avoided many of the others nonetheless i knew the difference sadly many of the prisoners they didn't tell them it was western music and this was just another addition to what must have been a barrage of of. of western attitudes western influence western culture onto the senses rich and again the only thing that they had seen of america was this the only thing they had seen was the occupation was the prison and now the music which
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was being used. as a technique to. in addition to being short shackled because your hands tied to your legs in addition to being dehumanised to be shaved forcibly to being removed from your home and from your environment now you're subject. is a subject to the sounds of something that is entirely unfamiliar very disconcerting very disorientating play very well the music was so loud that everybody in the block would hear it and none of us could sleep is music really that bad compared to say were boarding or being forced into a position or kept to wait for days why is music in particular. considered torture i think that. one may argue and say music is not that bad but it's not just music it's not music isolated by itself nor produce made to go and sit and simply list put on headphones and listen at their leisure and control the sound and the
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decibels of how much they listen to they are in addition to being tied being shackled being beaten and tortured and confined in addition to all of this they are being subjected to not just ordinary music it's music the you if i was to subject you or anybody i think the average person to turn on the music extremely loud. just for a few minutes i pretty i'm pretty certain you would be saying. i can't hear myself think and that's the precise point because if you can't himself think you can't think if you can't think you have no control of your senses a couple control your senses you are for all intents and purposes a completely. vegetative person and that's the point to put somebody in a almost in an almost vegetative state where they are simply ready to say anything
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ancient times troops use drop some trumpets to transmit signals on the battlefield in the sixteenth century the sounds inspired marches charts and battles on this early on military leaders realize that music is especially good at strengthening the esprit de corps. particular forms of music particularly singing and we know them to be very very effective and it comes to reinforce a group solidarity for example. during the german empire i trail six songs like old comrades was used to motivate the troops. but it wasn't just him even cards and the incidents of battle but it was only of maintaining some kind of discipline i give them and beat to promote power and hatred i don't think flo was aware of the psychological effects of music therefore he centralized music production in germany i mean months
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after he came to power to better control what his people listened to i. i. i it was one of the most system os it approaches to really utilizing music and every possible aspect and of public and political life i could try to establish the so-called right music chamber this authority produced only nazi compliance music propaganda included war mongering songs like from finland to the black sea. i. chief propagandist joseph goebbels commission of the song himself the emotional power of music helped convict the blood lust of the germans. he won't talk a lot i. even during the war the
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cope with boredom on a constant fear of attacks because it is a way to escape from all of us most everyone here has a portable cd player or and i pod they download their music off the internet. to them it's like a drug a way to unwind or to get ready for the next month or. the city's down here with three. content and peaceful because i have this this and also set of batteries i'm all set the music and i'm happy like. like. bass have a mellow out. and have to get through the day slayer the two songs would be angel of death and raining blood they're just too real chris is heavy metal songs i like using motivated. because either you're going into the fight to begin and then
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you've got a good song playing in the background and that's a good surreal hard. some of the bodies hit the floor but. this is the one we listen to the most this is the one we travel we. make those are war coming up here into iraq. johnny pool of the body see the floor. it was just it was fitting for the job we were doing. all these by drowning he could be considered the unofficial end of the us military . the first of the ones to meet for a different reason music will save you the future prison of instant from the bad
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weather they are just as upset about this as he is. today drowning pool plays next to one of the largest maybe bases in the united states the musical. actually i'm a little nervous about this interview because we got an email this morning from drowning pool's manager saying that they weren't supposed. about guantanamo or we weren't supposed to ask them anything about that because after all that's why i came here so how can i possibly find out what i want to know about. this music in church. prisoners if we're not allowed to talk about.
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absolutely. that's the problem here is a very think think about. how we. see. people. just curious you guys have a lot of military fans too these guys ever tell you why they like your music so much what we hear from guys you know that are in different fields or what have you can gals. they said yeah they just get some they get some on i told you no no rage so when i say they actually play it before they actually going to be if they know
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that fire and how i feel i wasn't someone thanks in some publications in this but they did show me how they do it and i think it's rock out and you know and i had sense whether actually oh they do or yeah i don't like to be unofficial i kind of like a soundtrack of the military i wouldn't say that but i mean guys you know if they're in their home be either a tank you know they i'm wanted and they're cruising and there's six of them you know that strap a boom box down and a guy up there you know looking out is there cruising you know i always want to go if they have if you actually if i were there if i would fly around the beach or something like that you know i mean let's not get too carried away it was me nobody wants to go to a song as a. in the soundtrack i know men are one but at the same time if great if cranking us to eleven you know keeps you alert and on your toes and gets you back done from your mission ending thusly back home to your wives and family and kids then by all means my last that day i mean if he's going to keep you and you guys and your girls
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awake until four five six in the morning then by all means janet is there anything political about your music at all do you think you're or is it just great rock or will your younger music is not political at all honestly i mean with our song soldiers which is kind of a thank you and hats off to our military and every you know country's military for it centrally you know the end result having you know peace of in the day trying to keep the peace you know it sucks that you have to go to war to keep peace but you know that's this is you know it's where it's been through history you know it's me going through history you know. i mean you can argue all day you know should somebody be somewhere should we be you know the world police you know and you know there's a lot of things that we all feel strongly about you know separately within the band there's things that we feel very firm on collectively or we have politically driven dan i don't think anybody who knows who we are i would honestly think that we are and we're just a rock n roll band i don't want to put you in
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a position you don't want to answer right whatever it was but your parents when the when the government uses the music say richie cain nice instead of help our own military do you feel the same about battery you know how that was used you know for interrogation and we jokingly say you know i don't listen to our music every day is this is going to be something that's going to be interrogated you know we well we put crowds through that sort of torture all the time to source ourselves or that with that we shouldn't joke like that with us or again are going to be alive. perhaps.
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the music serves as a stimulus or a tool should tool helpful so as an acoustic auxiliary one example of the battle of fallujah in iraq. in two thousand and four a month or lynched for american security contractors president bush found revealing our military commanders will take whatever action is necessary to secure the leash on behalf of the iraqi people. what followed was one of the filesystem bloodiest battles of the iraq war over four fouls and people died in the seven months struggle street fighting was drooling from both sides to break the resistance obviously missed insurgents the us military began to employ mobile speaker systems. and salute you with a perfect example they were just playing music day and night over there it almost
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got to be a gag like it like a musical show to allow if they could for playing music and of course the. the insurgents who were in fallujah playback they for there must be loud speakers or they must they play music by they play various religious music. heavy metal against islamists. it was also a demonstration of the perceived superiority of western culture the u.s. military believes that the musical component helped on the mind of the rock of the insurgents psychological war operations and our except that there are prayer every unit board sword so if you have worked three or four groups going in with a battalion for regine for every day in a certain area each of those units night call for a team and then never come down here in fort bragg will be tasked with with sending
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a loudspeaker team so it does much more command. the technology of these loudspeakers is becoming more and more sophisticated the laces mobiles all compact powerful sound cannons big windows to drum schools noisy and can even make people unconscious vacuums the medium bills these acoustic morhaime and. it's a powered loud speaker that works at very long distances with perfect clarity that is not put in normal loud speaker does. it makes it more intelligible. states of louder. that it throws it farther. business is brisk every day dozens of these small high performance speakers are
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assembled into large sound chemicals chemicals that knock out the enemy not with bullets but with sensory overload what's scary is no it's just their looks. it's like it's here. how is that possible if i blindfolded you so i blindfolded you and they turned you around and they said tell me where the sound is coming from you would be confused that's what makes our device very helpful in the military hearing back in september two thousand and nine and t. g. twenty summit protesters in pittsburgh witnessed the effect different us of a similar system. was. my.
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years we will change the way wars are fought we will change the way aggression is created to subdue somebody and it probably will be one of the last effort that we may because we will figure that by that time that the vice should the need to kill. the inventor is naturally not at liberty to tell us what these super sound condoms look like platts top secret but doubts may be raised whether his sound down mood really spell the end of all wars. people will still die from bullets and bombs but
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music will increase the arsenal of modern mommies with yet another insidious weapon . i. really just just cars an effort to make you lose your identity make you lose your confidence making you. tell you it's taking away or sort of control your self-esteem most. if somehow my so. i stop them from using it's wrong i'd feel that i'd done
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something moral and good for us but they would use somebody else and so if all of us stop them from using something. then they would use no and if you stop noise they would do something else in relation is not to me music but it is. torture. not necessarily the music itself but that essentially it's music as part of a means of controlling the environment and the person in charge if they can control someone's environment and taken their free will away from police announce a very powerful weapon.
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get you people. it was the same of each musician. mark thompson. and you're right is the drumbeat towards more now than ever before as the chattering classes discuss the possible dangers. i get another sound for the u.s. relations with afghanistan after protests across the country turned deadly all this response to the burning of a player on at a military air base.
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