welcome to the lone show where we get the real headlines with none of them are safe from live in washington d.c. outside we're going to take a deeper look at the legal justification that attorney general eric holder is trying to use and explaining why this administration thinks it can kill you then a new examination on the autopsy reports of two get most detainees raises questions as to whether or not their deaths are really suicides like the g.o.p. says answer to six released by the current part of education show that punishment in schools is not equal with black and hispanic students having

a lot more of it so we're going to have all that and more for you to night including a dose of happy hour but first take a look at the mainstream media has decided to miss. it. all right so it's a super tuesday big day in terms of elections which obviously means a big big deal for the mainstream media. all right live big day folks super tuesday the voting is underway ten states in a one day guess what we're going to talk about first. tuesday it's here super tuesday ten states more than four hundred delegates for me contenders one hundred twenty four delegates are at stake in oklahoma is going to be a big win for him but georgia has the most delegates and it is time gingrich expects to win most of them but candidates are printing out all over the country doing last minute campaigning he gets over thirty thirty five tonight and then consider that a pretty good night to super tuesday voters east of the mississippi already heading

to the polls and they are casting votes now net romney and rick santorum in a statistical tie in ohio romney these are his targets thirty five plus out of ohio he can get that win or lose mitt romney and rick santorum are virtually tied in both ohio and tennessee tennessee fifteen plus four hundred nineteen delegates are at stake in the candidates are desperate to break free from the pack look at santorum schools thirty plus in losing he still needs to get if you wins the state he's got to figure out hope he can get thirty. so all day we're seeing statistics numbers delegate counts be broken down into minor details while the mainstream media obsesses over that while simultaneously talking about the inevitability of mitt romney becoming the g.o.p. nominee look at some things always get left out in this kind of coverage and today i'm not going to talk about the money although that is also a big one so far it's been calculated that eleven point five million dollars have been spent by outside groups and the states now today i'd like to take

a look at mitt romney's policies specifically his policy on education let's not forget the while the mainstream media treats this like a horse race these people are actually running to be the president and the issues are you can easily pick on them for flip flopping and romney making it particularly easy or easier than the rest of the candidates of course issues like education don't often get discussed and i bring this up because they're a nuisance to fix out there showing that student loan debt is worse than previously thought one in four borrowers in fact have the only student loans now we knew the problem is back we knew that student loan debt passed the one trillion dollars mark recently we knew that student loan debt had overtaken credit card debt in this country but this is just more bad news so in talking about education and student loan debt what does mitt romney have to say well for starters if you go into his campaign web site you look under the issues education isn't even on there so i guess a bunch of tell us a lot we need to think about why it is that americans have such ties to this day

and age we live in a society where parents counselors universities employers where everybody tells you that in order to get a good job you have to get a college degree universities across the country are meantime making eight killing and charging insane prices because they know that no matter what no matter how much debt it's going to put you in people are going to pay and so unless you qualify for some kind of aid for a scholarship here you can be forced to pay twenty to fifty thousand dollars a year or more exclusive private institutions the ivy leagues being more expensive expensive of course but who doesn't want to go to an ivy league when will makes it more likely for you to get a job according to romney though and what he said in the past about affordable education it's really easy to find other options. if you can't afford it scholarships are available shop around for make sure you go to a place that's reasonably priced if you can think about serving the country because that's the way to get all the education for free. right so you can afford it bad

does join the military this coming from the same kind of politician that calls for a constant military conflict but who would never have his own children serve because they can afford top notch education but if we keep looking at romney's record he does offer one more solution to student loans for proper universities romney claims that they actually hold down costs unfortunately well it's just not true that average tuition for profit colleges is nearly twice that of public four year universities nearly five times as much as public community colleges and that's all according to the department of education that only about twelve percent of college students nationwide attend for profit schools but the sector is responsible for more than forty five percent of federal student loan d. thoughts and we're only about one in five students at community colleges take out loans to finance their tuition for her five students for profit two and four year schools sign off on loans also according through the department of education and

the loans of peace corps profit schools are pretty hefty too based on an analysis of better all data by the college board more than half of students attending four year for profit colleges are going to merge with that of more than thirty thousand dollars compared to less than a quarter of students at private nonprofit colleges and twelve percent of students at public universities so this is mitt romney solution to our student loan debt problem everybody but i wonder if father since his takes prove that for profit institutions in fact saddle students with more debt i would support them i guess the answer is always follow the money twice romney has endorsed a full sale university this is a for profit institution in florida where by the way constitution runs more than eighty thousand. dollars but what i didn't mention is that full sales chief executive man named bill hemmer he's a major campaign donor and the cochairman of his state fund raising team in florida on top of that he and his wife and each given the maximum twenty five hundred

dollars to romney's campaign and he gave forty five thousand dollars to restore our future the super pac run by former romney aides to bolster his campaign so why is that hollow the money there ladies and gentlemen is how this presidential candidate plans on tackling one of the biggest issues facing this country generations saddled with debt and the problem is if you want to run education like it's a business i'm sorry but it just doesn't work that way so all i'm saying is that would be nice if we were a little more mainstream media know what exactly these candidates are proposing rather than just playing with maps that show delegates but these kinds of things they choose to mess. we have today i gave you my two cents on attorney general eric holder speech outlining why this administration thinks they can extra judicially execute u.s. citizens abroad speaking to

a roomful of law students and faculty at northwestern university holder said that the u.s. government has the right to order the killing of u.s. citizens abroad if there are senior al qaeda operatives who pose an imminent terrorist threat and cannot reasonably be captured how he did this without specifically mentioning a lockie or without releasing the legal memos the administration allegedly used in that case another standout line was of the president is required to get permission from a federal court before he takes this kind of action because according to this administration due process and judicial process are not one in the same especially when it comes to national security and all this was presented by the in turn in general as an indicator of our times not a departure from our laws and our values but could that possibly be any more wrong i think that charles pierce wrote it best yesterday when he said that that statement is a quote monumental pile of crap that should embarrass every democrat who ever said an unkind word about john yoo so joining me from our studio in new york is scott

horton contributing editor on legal and national security matters for harper's magazine scott thanks so much for joining us tonight and i guess i want to break some of these issues down legally with you you've got the better legal mind and i do that's for sure but just overall what did you think of the speech yesterday. bad effort i give him a failing grade frankly a big disappointment remember all this starts started with a broad public demand picked up by newspapers around the country by members of congress by legal experts to release the o l c memorandum a fifty page memo that set out the legal policies for these targeted killings and we know that inside the justice department there was strong sentiment to do exactly that it appears that they were cold or wanted to do that there was pushback coming from the intelligence community and then as a compromise it was decided eric holder will go out said well we won't publish the

memorandum but you know he'll give us a good solid synopsis of this memo in the speech and it looks like he started out with a speech that was really do just that in the speech got pulled back and pulled back and pared and edited and we wound up with nothing affectively i mean what we heard in the speech at northwestern was essentially whether the already been leaked whether it appeared in articles by by charlie savage and others absolutely nothing new no real depth of analysis and then the this presentation of some of the legal issues was just muddled that's all you can say all right so let's get into some of those legal issues one of the things i hold her claim is that due process and you destroy process that these are two separate things and he also claimed that a recent court decision basically it's sad that the president doesn't need to get off already from the courts before if he wanted to act. with al qaeda

operatives that was overseas and that a lot of people are pointing out that if you actually look at the supreme court case which has ever since rumsfeld that's not even true. well that's right i mean let's just start with the due process he's shoe he's saying we are providing due process we've got procedures inside the administration with rules there will be applied in these cases and by the way we're not going to tell you an awful lot about how that procedure operates and and who's making the decisions he's right when he says there's a recent federal court case that's the case itself where a federal judge in washington while chiding the administration over its handling of this said nevertheless they didn't have to get judicial approval in advance but let's go back to this fundamental point and the anglo american tradition of law with law that's based on a recognition of fundamental rights we have what was called the principle of

liberty and that said you don't deprive an individual of his freedom or his life without going to a court that there is a judicial check on that process and i think what you're seeing here is a circumvention of that very fundamental rule and the law historically has really only permitted one clear circumvention of will and that is in war time with the citizens that are made on the battlefield where you fire at one of your adversaries that was always viewed as some things privilege so i think what we've seen here is sort of a conflation of these things a sort of mishmash in the back room kitchen to create a new set of rules that is putting this new authority and the hands of the executive but we also have to go back and say you know this is not just in the making of the obama administration this represents a new approach to war making this whole procedure of targeted killings it's

becoming a more and more important part of the defense strategy of the united states recognized as such in recent powerless e papers by. department defense really goes back to the bush administration and indeed a lot of this seems to have been put in place under the tutelage of dick cheney so here we see one of dick cheney's ideas being rather than carried forward by barack obama and his attorney general eric holder and this is of course a problem when the entire world becomes your battlefield and. attorney general eric holder claims that this is not a stepping away from our values or our laws or our ideals but i can't see you know the notion that really this is some small committee that then sends some information out to the president who then you know laterally decides whether they're going to execute this american citizen or not as anything but a huge removal from our values and ideals that i thought was interesting to eric

holder yesterday said that those who choose to use the word assassination he said that it's misplaced he said that isn't belong in this discussion what's your take completely wrong about that i mean i think that was one of the big giveaways. he said the assassination is another lawful killing in fact it's not i think this this tells you what's going on with this speech that is some professional p.r. analysts got their hands on there and decide to mold and shape it and use language that they thought would go over well with the public and maybe it does but that gives you a very muddled idea of the law and how the law applies i think the size is another really good example is this whole idea of immediacy so he tells us there has to be in a media threat to the united states or u.s. interests to justify the use of this authority and then i think we as we see going through the speech he doesn't use

a media the way most people would you know immediate can be sometime in the course of the next year. yeah that is definitely a problem not to mention this part i found interesting to you he said first that this person has to pose an imminent threat and then the same speech she also said that the constitution does require the president to delay the action until there is some theoretical stage of planning is what he calls that were we know the precise time date location of an attack that might be planned so in essence in that sense it really doesn't have to be immediate right this can be preemptive preventative. i think that that's really the only sensible construction to place on this because practically speaking what's going on here you know we have what let's call it the death committee you know why we have that term used in the health care debate metaphorically but here it's quite literally there are death committees that review these things and give approval and get authorization and then we see the

implementation may take many many months and during that period of time there's no need to go back to this committee to revisit the question of immediacy we're told because it made the decision at one point that's it but we are also told that in the process of targeting and implementing they have to take into account humanity proportionality and these other considerations of course that's right that's what the law of war requires but i think there's another very important legal factor that got a lighted from eric holder speech and that is the importance of being accurate of not making mistakes he says that there's a very important legal opinion called matthews that set out the factors he says they're following them and then he proceeds not to mention one of the most important factors in that opinion and that is accuracy and being sure that you're not making a mistake and in fact we know that these that these targeted killings have been

carried out many times on the basis of false information u.s. government has acknowledged that so that's a huge problem and a legitimate concern even for people who would agree that the president should have and should exercise this power is definitely a lot of problems and this means a lot to take on but it's also really scary and you would think that today when the president gave his first press conference every year he would get one question about it at least and now a single line we haven't really heard democrats making out so i find it to be disappointing and disturbing all the way around scott thanks so much for joining us tonight. great to be with you. all time for our first break of the evening but when we come back recently released autopsy reports the questions about the suicides of two inmates at once on about are you speak with truth geoffrey k. well why we should be skeptical of the government's a full story.

of people calling what you said for free and fair elections. and they're still reporting from the limbs where you can hear behind the loud explosions. at least. a. you know sometimes you see a story and it seems so please give things you understand it and then he lives

something else he hears sees some other part of it and realized everything you thought you knew you don't know i'm sorry for going to the big picture. just last week we told you about a string of arrests in several south american countries that have to this group

anonymous and this week looks like the feds are taking on one of the groups within the movement and the second while since we've heard much from the greyhounds let me refresh your memory also took down credit card companies and pay pal they also waged u.s. attacks on fox news the u.s. senate sony pictures and p.b.s. web sites here when there was a report of the late rapper tupac alive and well in new zealand well that was one of the it was well personal favorite of ours but three documents that were unveiled on tuesday from the federal courts show that five people allegedly linked to moles have been charged and interestingly enough there's a six person in the group who's already pleaded guilty and was not possible well apparently he was caught last summer and according to the f.b.i. he's been working as an informant ever since that's right activist turned mall informant question might sound familiar you may better know him as sabu and we've mentioned him several times in the past his motive even calls him the most notorious and influential hacker ally well turns out that twenty twenty eight year

old hector javier nonsingular of new york father of two he's been leading hackers from his residence in a public housing project in new york and according to the feds turning around and then feeding info to them since two assad also reportedly managed to give enough information on the other hackers to help the f.b.i. press charges against them amongst the happy hackers who were arrested are brian ackroyd. who's number one his aide is second in command according to fox news it was the one figured out how vulnerable the u.s. senate security system was leading to the senate website being happened a short time later davis better known as topiary also amongst the captured hackers and in fact he was arrested back in july but won't face charges from the f.b.i. until now he's arrested by scotland yard after he took part in a cyber attacks against companies like visa master card and pay pal they decide to cut off allowing financial services to go to them i spoke with him over a year ago about the hack and why they did it. these companies. i would pay polk

for example funding but we can reach the people he took the phones from wiki leaks and he refused to give them but they have given them back no but we believe this was not really an act they want to do they were forced to do it and we're not a malicious group we were doing this for a reason when the reason for the freedom of information and speech. now they're also to rest out of ireland there and martin who's moniker is own sauce and. bell who goes by palladium online but alas soccer facing charges of stronger ties to anonymous than jeremy hammond. and our chaos resides in chicago and he's supposedly the person behind this december and here's an interesting tidbit uncovered by the guardian today when sabri was talking with an r chaos about these really so i would offer an f.b.i. own server to keep all the information and as the guardian points out this would mean that the f.b.i. would be able to search and possibly and then the info that was shared so we could

also give us the key that it needs to bring charges against leeds because remember there's still a grand jury investigation underway in alexandria virginia so the obvious question here is what do these arrests mean for the group as a whole both anonymous and also approving resilience to previous arrests which is one of the major reasons that they've always stuck with a format where members are loosely affiliated and last week we saw alleged members of anonymous get arrested by interpol they retaliated or after an interpol investigation they were tallied with attacks on interpol's website as well as police websites in the countries where those hikers were arrested while the f.b.i. figures out what to do with the hackers they've arrested we're just going to sit back and wait for them to show us what their next move might be. now what we know there are seven hundred and seventy nine prisoners who were sent to guantanamo bay under the bush administration so a hundred seventy one remain so have been transferred are released only one has been brought to trial in the united states and sentenced to life in prison and eight have died at the prison and the circumstances surrounding some of those

deaths are mysterious just. at the least and a call for debate and call for investigation they will take a look at the deaths of two detainees abdul rahman along reefs in may of two thousand and seven mohamad but a village solly not in two thousand and nine both were labeled a suicide by the department of defense and autopsy reports released last year and so recently i've examined brief questions as to whether these are really suicide or something else so joining me to discuss this is geoffrey kay psychologist and contributor without or geoffrey and i thought back on the show tonight i guess first tell me why it is that this information they thought out their fourth release last year they went on examined for so long or really only finding out about it now well that's a very good question and it means really that the press isn't doing their job these documents were part of an eleven hundred case we. lost the a.c.l.u. and posted on the. web site i'm not sure how many months. and

i was totally up on the story. that i had written back in two thousand. reported. to see if. any. have been released and sure enough. they are much to my surprise. we were. reportedly. on the. right but let's talk about briefly some of the details to watch out about the case of a long range they said that he was found because he had hung himself and this is a suicide but then the report also found that he had his own hands tied behind his back and you know what other people in the public don't quite make sense there. right well it's a very rare occurrence that someone has found themselves with their hands

tied behind their back i mean anything to do and then it's not easy to secure the newsome he would hang yourself without going to do it's not unprecedented in my review of the literature but it's rare and in fact. most programs that authorities will agree that that warrants the least investigation for rule of possible homicide there's no indication that the department of defense that we did that there autopsy reports on a suicide was released a little over was released was completed over a little over a week. there were other aspects of his in the autopsy report of earlier on green that were also. one of them had to do with the fact that they claim that he is bed sheets the use of the razor passion and used. with razors are not given to guantanamo to be thinking these in there were very closely monitored so

those isn't there at the start were very good at all laundry was a special case related segregated prisoner. in those prisoners were not even given reasons during the shower period so some question as to how he got a razor. and how it wasn't discovered during that route. constant. as we know from various he's seen it before it's oh yeah let me let's talk about this other case too with. he had been somebody who you mentioned and i wonder if you think that this might be a cause for motivation somebody who was the representative considered a leader amongst the detainees at who it partake in memory of hunger strike the which there is this horrible method where they were that a force feeding him at the same time he was supposed to be under constant supervision right where they were twenty four and with surveillance where they were checking on him every five minutes so what happened there. well that's true too for

the way of a lottery the prisoners were supposed to be in their current studio surveillance and the interest on them every three to five minutes with the burden of defense told me that's what they told other reporters but ultimately supposedly the bed sheets which back and simply not honestly he was supposedly an elastic band from its underwear to wrap around his neck and then us kind of an assault. well like. time i stand behind one so strangulation is a very rare way. and you have to be able to secure the ligature around your neck so that it doesn't. when you lose consciousness. the autopsy report and how that was done except to say he twisted the elastic things any kind of nodded and said. the report can't even keep its story straight because at one

point he says he did it on the right hand side. he did it on the left and. the underwear is another i mean my article dot org on mrs trott all the different facts calling into question the actual circumstances of these things. underwear as we agreed to in the nazi report of all the nashi resort right greets you use the elastic band in many many women who surely know what grief with a lasting and what in fact i discover in two thousand and two. they had. after the two thousand and six suicide that we be thingy they changed the type of underwear that was being used because the suicide risk was the bar that ran i have to tell you lack of it got ahead a break here but i do recognize i want to read your article because you do break it down and extend.