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all u.g.a. protestors better switch your plane tickets because president obama is pulling a fast one and was in the camp david in maryland so what was really behind the change of scenery question more we need more troops or american troops. it's gone up about a thousand percent in the word mole and trying mission out on our sharp three blind mice three u.s. senators seasonal they run they all ran out there war and airstrikes never turned away from a confrontation they didn't like and have never seen such a thing in your life as three blind mice who are also u.s.
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senator. so this is arguably the most pivotal twenty four hour period in this whole raise it has all come down to this day folks. get about basketball it looks like march madness is starting a little early this year for candidates ten states hundreds of delegates up for grabs are republicans really and closer to selecting a nominee. it's tuesday march sixth seven pm here in washington d.c. i'm liz wahl here watching our team well a sudden change of venue for the upcoming g. eight summit the meeting of the world's most powerful leaders was supposed to take place in chicago but the white house has announced it will happen at the present presidential retreat in county of maryland the white house maintains that the new location will provide a more intimate setting but the unusually late change for the international summit
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has some wondering what the motives behind it could be and some believe this may have something to do with it you're looking at ads promoting massive protests and rallies outside of the g eight summit in chicago the demonstrations have been in the works for months and earlier i spoke to natasha lennard reporter for salon dot com and asked why the big move especially at the last minute here is her take. you know we'll never get it straight about what it got the most basic decision making but it's definitely being read and i think justifiably as a win for the protest is a huge amount of pressure with a promise to present it working the context of occupy tens of thousands of people from around the country in the well promising to defend them chicago. the thing is they still will be going because it's the nato summit. today though so i don't
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think a lot of protests from heading to chicago will change and you know it is election season so could there be a fear that widespread protests could be an embarrassment to the administration. no doubt and i think that's true with a lot of the harsh crackdown surrounding gun wrecked my movement since the beginning of this year and before that. but i think that's the kind of bar unavoidable when mass protests from it and i'm doesn't look like it's going to be back and go and talk a little bit about why you think it was moved from chicago to camp david that's the second location in maryland david is it really is a retreat and it's a compound in the middle of the word in maryland borough maryland there's very few places where people could convert. the national park there's no city there's no street and town davidic itself is entirely inaccessible. so i doubt there'll be
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a huge effort to protest becomes even g eight rather people will remain in chicago and so they. thought it was this idea the g eight and nato would be there at the same time this huge amount of. focus the move away from going to g. eight and stephanie tried to dissipate. and how successful do you think this venue changes will be and silencing. thing occupy protesters who know various rules i think people feel that it's a victory move because it seems like that threats have been responded to but also nato is still going ahead everyone. day and divergent point. with the nato summit the global attention so i don't think actually the much throwing away of crowds and the much interest in the crowd between maryland and chicago because as i said davis really inaccessible
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. since both of these protests are they were both supposed to go on. coincidentally because these two summits were happening in chicago you expect the protests in chicago to be just as massive just as powerful and just the numbers i do i do i don't think it will change change much because the momentum is. really you know these are the summit their way of protest making inequality and the problem with the leadership we have the same they used the occasion of a summit to do so but it's really an excuse to do so. present elsewhere. people will want to bring to chicago and they do but you said you are calling this a victory or it can be seen as a victory for the occupy protesters they won't be able to protest outside of so
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isn't that kind of a blowback for them well you know it's not just been an easy process to the g. eight leaders if you believe the principles will be equally available in chicago. i don't think. i mean very good at it hasn't directed tension to lead isn't all. to be fulfilled if not direct. it's in there too it's been on the streets connecting to people and making it does visible and so i think the the lack of presence of the g eight leaders will make no difference to how much noise and spectacle we will take the reason she called it. throughout the past weeks and months or has been some speculation that the occupy movement has been dwindling a bit do you think that this may help to give it a second wind sure and i think you know before that we have calls for a general strike that are getting a lot of attention excitement for a huge day on may the us which we just saw just
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a few weeks before the summit. i think come springtime you're going to have just a wave of action it's no surprise maybe take the public's whereas when it's freezing cold be expected but now the weather is changing and all the planning that's been going on behind closed doors is going to come and fruition with a really exciting spring i think and in terms of the switch of the g. eight protests to camp david in maryland it is just speculation at this point there is no proof that the reasoning behind it is to avert these protests is that correct that's correct but that's the kind of proof. that what president obama used to silicate free flowing conversation between the g eight leaders and somewhat passing that free flowing conversation couldn't happen in the slighty plane a strike over chicago from it and had to be in the retreat at camp david but i
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don't think we'll ever get a full explanation of the news right now talk to thank you very much for coming on the show that was natasha lennard reporter at salon dot com. well the f.b.i. cia arrested top members of the hacktivist group sac the f.b.i. in your file charges against five people and it was made possible by this man twenty eight year old hector exactly a month or figure pled guilty. it's being a former member of the hacktivist group and is now working with the f.b.i. and with his help police today arrested a man by the name of jeremy hammond hammond is named as the person behind hacking to strat for a private us intelligence firm he and the others face several charges including computer hacking conspiracy court documents say the group is responsible for hacking into several computer systems of they business is us foreign government agencies and response anonymous today tweeted we are legion we do not have
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a leader nor will we ever will sack was a group but anonymous is a movement groups come and go and ideas are meeting all the trial will be prosecuted by the u.s. district attorney's office their first court appearance a separate tuesday and we will of course keep you updated on the story. oh the world here's another war brewing in the middle east we continue to hear pro-war rhetoric coming from republican presidential candidates and we hear a lot of it we heard a lot of it today at apec the influential jewish lobbying group but there are also key players in congress today i consistently band together and advocate taking military action abroad john mccain senator john mccain is one of them and just yesterday he said this about how to handle syria the only realistic way to do show is with foreign air power united states should lead an international effort to protect keep our population centers in syria especially in
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the north to airstrikes on the show. and he is the first u.s. senator to call on the u.s. to launch air strikes against syria but he certainly is not alone in his hawkish tone arcee correspondent christine for sound takes a look at a trio that has a long history of friendship and of be friending and then toppling dictators. they stick together through thick and thin from the queensland to the holy land from the ball field to the battlefield they are senators joseph lieberman lindsey graham and john mccain seen frequently side by side both physically and politically the call for more war a song almost on repeat for them three haven't met a war they don't like and they lead the charge to end up afghanistan we need more troops there are american troops by the attacks by the enemy have gone up about a thousand percent in the words of and wall and time is not on our side and they've
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been called everything from the three amigos the three blind mice and the axis of error by the website downsize d.c. org they still work together as a block there kind of an axis and board of foreign policy kind of her going back to that all axis of evil we heard about that foreign policy not just limited to bush's wars here they are meeting with libyan president moammar gadhafi in august of two thousand and nine at a time when it was in the u.s. interest to call him friend mccain later tweeted this calling him interesting but a year later i wanted him gone but if you want to doubt it go in one of the steps among many would be to establish a no fly zone over the world stand by and allow a leader like khadafi slut of his own people an ongoing target for them iran will use military action against iran we should not only go after their nuclear facilities we should to store their ability to make conventional war they should
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have no planes it can fly and no ships can float with the point the gun we haven't pulled a single trigger yet and it's about time that we did the two years on and that lack of the media and military action hasn't resulted in armageddon or anything like it still the calls for action expand now across the globe the iranian nuclear program is a threat to the entire world so our military intervention. is now the necessary factor to reinforce this option. to know that he will not when you know we find ourselves in virtually the same identical debate a year later not syria what's going on in syria what's happening here so should we respond to it and once again i mean almost we have low viewer response these guys come and say well we've got to go to war the mood of the american people may have shifted to ending the wars but the perpetual lobby for war does have its supporters and a very popular with the military industrial complex which sees every new adventure
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every new invasion every new argue patient every new major bombing campaign as an investment but it's an investment fewer and fewer americans are willing to make and they've already lived through the consequences of the previous military adventures in fact critics say those who continue to follow senators mccain lieberman and graham are blind themselves they may hear the drumbeat for war but they feel the see the bigger picture a very real possibility of pitfalls ahead in washington christine for r.t. . so we see who the powerful players are when it comes to promoting pro-war agendas and often times spreading democracy is used as the justification for military intervention but sometimes the plan backfires take for example egypt's our democracy promotion programs are breeding resentment answer special ed u.s. nonprofit groups recently paid millions to belive employees egypt accuses of on authorize use of foreign funds so as the united states pursuit to spread democracy
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instead of breeding anti-american sentiment abroad earlier i spoke to ben barber journalist and photographer for mcclatchy newspapers and legion i could see and i asked him why is the american i asked to spread democracy not always well received in the middle east here's what he had to say. it's received well by young and modern and liberal groups who would like to see more democracy but the powers that be don't like it because it challenges their authority. it's not uncommon for foreign countries to assist other countries in having their revolution just remember that when the united states had its own revolution against england in the seventeen ninety s. and eighty's or other french troops assisted us without the help of france we might not have ever been independent so the united states sending these democracy people to assist the people in favor of democracy it's often it's a good thing but it does raise animosity because it is an outside force and once
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again you're challenging the status quo and why do we see in this case you say that isn't radical outside outside right ally and its case in egypt if we see this greeting this anti american flag and. you know i visited usa projects not just the democracy projects but clinics and schools and agriculture projects and. people feel in a way that when they get foreign aid it's so you merely asian they're very proud people the egyptian people and it feels humiliating to know that even for example the sewer system in cairo was built by the united states government. so it's hard to help i mean the united states has an interest in stability in egypt nobody wants to see people rioting in the streets in egypt the country the eighty million people aside from the fact that it's it's it's morally wrong to sit tight when tragedy
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strikes but the question is how do you help things along the whole things by assisting democracy movements i mean i was told by a former usaid chief that we helped people who wanted our help the movement for change the people who are in touch. where these people have now been pushed aside and this is the old guard this is mubarak ism without mubarak this is the army this is the brotherhood this is the your ocracy this is the oligarchs the rich families and they don't want things to change and the drug receive movement people are they're not organized they have they don't have the money and also it's a society in which if you challenge the authority it's not like people will say yeah that's a great thing to do people say who do you think you are leaving our part has now right around egypt is still a far cry away from achieving
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a. it's. some say that we should just go with the flow that the brotherhood and the newer party which now have majority in parliament to build become more democratic is they find that they have to submit have to take care of everybody in the country they can't just be for their own group. i'm not sure that that's going to happen i'm not sure that army will even let the parliament govern. but the democracy remember and my angle i did a lot of democracy teaching of journalists in africa and in asia. twenty years ago and what happened was yes every journalist knows that you're supposed to tell the truth you're supposed to interview people from both sides you're supposed to have balanced reporting but when you try to do it in many of these countries your editor says why are you crazy why you into doing this man here you know our publisher doesn't like him and you know if you get involved in a web of conflict and some of the people that i taught even got in trouble lost
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their jobs because they did what i told them to do to find the information and report it so you have to go slow in many countries and the democracy movement obviously was like the spearhead of change i mean he had all the people who wanted free press and free. gly and the ability to criticize and the ability also to see the documents and transparency and the traditionally egypt has never seen this kind of openness before it's not a part of their system so i guess the lesson there is that a transition to democracy is not something that is going to happen overnight it will take time although i want to ask you that oftentimes democracy they're spreading democracy is used as justification to intervene into other countries militarily but if there are sometimes more to it than just simply wanting to spread democracy. i worked for
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usa id and before that now again i'm a journalist and on all sides all of these counts we stay away from the military i mean in some cases you have to go in with the military for just for survival cases but. no i don't i don't i don't see it as in it as a justification for military intervention i mean it's obvious that we would like to support the let's say for example in i don't know libya is not an example to somalia there are there are places where military is the only solution to the violence of the problems that people have but i think that in the aid worker gets left behind. and you know i actually you just mentioned money and i do want to switch the focus now to libya because there are some new developments there today tribal leaders have declared their autonomy in the east but libya's interim government is opposing a move because they say it will lead to breaking up the african nation so after the death of libyan leader moammar gadhafi of libya any closer to achieving democracy.
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you've got a hundred thousand dollar question right there. i've spent a lot of time in arab countries and every arab country. the ones i've been in in all the or all of them they all had either a king or a strongman a dictator a general and. the change to democracy is going to be very difficult and very still very slow i mean you can say that we. the british who basically invented modern democracy started in twelve fifteen with the magna carta which limited the power of the king and it took hundreds of years for it to reach the point where we have parliaments that to overrule where the queen gives a speech and it has to be written by the prime minister of england she can't say a word and that's that's real democracy. how we will develop in in libya is really it's an unknown i predicted it early on when these things took place these
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movements that they would not produce democracy that egypt and many of the arab countries there's there's a lot of fear there's fear of all of the young generation there's a lot of young people in every country that have no job and they are restrained by fear of the macaron of the police of the authorities and if the authorities that weak in the classic example is what happened in this soccer game in suez i think it was where the police steps back the crowd saw that there was nobody in charge and they just went on a rampage packing the other side's fans and i think that that's you know as as a reporter i stay away from interviewing young angry men of eighteen because you know what they're going to say trends we have to change color bombs out and you talk to a family in their thirty's and they have a couple of kids you see that people are concerned about protecting their families and protecting their children and they are very cautious they'll they'll go for
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stability rather than the democracy than thank. so much for coming on the show and laying it out well you're absolutely did thank you very much that was and barbara journalist and photographer for mcclatchy newspapers and legion magazine. well it is super tuesday and you know what that means republican presidential candidates schmoozing their way through ten states trying to win the party nomination one primary at a time it's considered to be one of the biggest days in the race to be the next or hold republican presidential nominee up for grabs today four hundred nineteen delegates the states include alas the georgia idaho massachusetts and it's cold ohio oklahoma vermont tennessee and virginia ohio considered to be the most significant because no republican candidate has ever won the general election without first winning the primary in that state however george actually has the most delegates to be once a day but seventy seven now the polls just closed in georgia of her mom and
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virginia as expected newt gingrich won the peach state and at romney wins virginia or mot has not been called yet the rest of the polling stations are closing in a matter of hours of course super tuesday is not the end all be all for the g.o.p. race but it is sure to captivate the mass media airwaves and cost millions and millions of dollars but the ongoing primary spectacle has some wondering when will the madness end and cullen editor for the daily dancer and president of the bands of media group joined me earlier and tell me what he thought about all the hype. it's a waste of time i mean i think it's pretty clear that romney's going to win this thing this is just a bit of a dog and pony show so we can all you know the media can have it it's going to keep him through it and have some fun. yeah i mean it's a gigantic waste of money we've spent this spending millions and millions of dollars on this stuff and you know the policies of these guys are so similar there
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wouldn't be much to differentiate between any of them we will know who's going to win it's going to be mitt romney so you don't let's get it over with and but you do make this argument that the two party system in the u.s. is not sustainable it's not working why not. because i think in. in the long run when you have two parties that are so similar. policies or so it's very difficult to differentiate between the two parties you've got about two percent difference that's two percent does make a big difference in the in the scheme of things you have programs that you know that will help poor people you have you know the quote the difference between college loans you know the republicans. want banks that college loans when the democrats would rather go straight to the students those policy issues do make a difference but now i think if you look at fota participation it's been going down you have to you have to go after your for years and that's been the trend for for decades now and what do you think is behind that trend i think that people the
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public is just not buying what the politicians are selling anymore because it's not real it's not a sound bite politics policies are if anyone could remember the difference between john kerry's health care plan and george bush's health care plan and i'll give him a medal because i can't remember the difference because it wasn't really much of a difference and that's the point you're not really supposed to know the difference it's just it's a circus act and i think the longer this goes on for the less and less people are going to be inclined to vote and they can have to spend more money trying to get people to vote and at the end of the day where does this go where it's very very split fish question and this is just it's not reversible trend and that's why there was a huge change in the system now what is that change in the system that you propose what needs to change clothes in the system you have to have company from this for for you have to you have to get money out of the six is the only way to do it you can have a system where the rich can get it wins but the kind of it with the most money wins
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because you're always going to have consolidation of interests they get behind the kind of it's not going to cater to their particular interests so the only way to stop that to have a genuine candidate is to get money out of politics and speaking of it campaign finance reform and money and politic. that is the we are seeing the funding of super pacs and to what extent do you think that these kinds of campaigns that have played so far are the funding of these campaigns to what extent have they impacted the election so far they have a huge impact it's public on the campaign i mean it's just you look at the history of. you know which kind of gets the most money which candidate wins it's it's an astonishing correlation between the amount of money spent on account of it in various different you know they can raise money through a number of different avenues and they get more complicated than any we have caught
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of piecemeal. legislation to try and stop that but there's always a way around it and you can just chart the correlation between because it is the winner because it's of the most money i mean romney is a great example of just how he has a problem established but he has his own personal fortune behind it of he's going to win now i know that you say all these candidates are basically the same and nothing is going to change anyway is there is one candidate ron paul is different from the others especially when it comes to foreign policy and his answer war stance what do you mean what do you make of have. an interesting kind of the he's not going to when. he tells the truth he does tell the truth i don't think he's right i think is another says is correct i think is proposing. kind of the same group that he wants to dismantle the government doesn't you know you let's get rid of the federal reserve this this stuff is crazy but his analysis is correct and
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he's telling the truth because of. it is a bit he's his ability to convert reality. he is getting some traction so visa was going to be in a meeting he was going to get some attention but i don't think you know. he's going to be around maybe run the next election he'll make a bit of a noise to generate some attention but he won't he's not serious he's no serious threats of that sort of big money. so but there is some talk he said that there needs to be an alternative to the two party system there is some talk that ron paul could join a third party what do you make of that will that change the dynamics will that offered the change that you're looking for what are your thoughts on that i think of quality kind of it would be interesting he might make a bit of. that then in the system but he could you have to have is the structure of the system that's that's corrupt and it's the money that makes a difference and in this room who can raise its most bodies with romney or barack obama he has no chance of getting these as any other third party candidate all
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right well that's all the time we have for today i have a feeling you're not too excited to watch how the primaries play how today. i think we all can kind of guess how they will play out thank you very much for coming on the show that was then cullen editor for the daily bands are in president of the bands or media group. well that does it for now for more on the stories we cover you can head on over to our prom slash usa there you'll find my interview with rebecca bill colmer said that the jewish voice for peace she told me all about the battle going on between mitt romney newt gingrich and rick santorum but not for primary votes these men are duking it out over who loves israel the most and you can check out our you tube page it's youtube dot com slash r t america and follow me on twitter out live all ready. our g. is the state run in an english speaking russian channel it's kind of like.

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