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the. russians for. president obama is pulling a big switch a roo as the g eight protesters get ready to head to chicago to flex their first amendment rights the meeting has been moved to a much more private location where the right to assemble is involved so what was really behind the change of scenery will cost more we need more troops there are american troops. going up about a thousand percent in the words show and mullen time is not on our shores they have been called the three amigos the three friends and the axis of error senators john mccain joe lieberman and lindsey graham certainly won't back down from a fight for ending that toppling one dictator after the next but given our history
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in libya and iraq are these three senators more like three blind mice so this is arguably the most pivotal twenty four hour period in this whole raise it has all come down to this day folks and the votes are trickling at ten states are heading to the polls to pick a republican presidential candidate who has all of the media may have in the tens of millions of dollars spent on this race what's so super about super tuesday. it's tuesday march sixth here in washington d.c. and liz while you're watching our t.v. . oh a sudden change of venue for the upcoming g. eight summit that meeting of the world's most powerful leaders was supposed to take place in chicago but the white house has announced it will happen at
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a presidential retreat in camp david maryland the white house maintains that the new location will provide a more intimate setting for the under usually late change for the international summit has some wondering what the motives behind it could be and some believe this may have something to do with it you're looking at absentee voting massive protests and rallies outside of the g eight summit in chicago the demonstrations have been in the works for months and earlier i spoke with the tata leonard reporter for salon dot com and asked why the big move especially at the last minute here's her take. you know we'll never get a straight on about what exactly my space is a decision making but it's definitely being bred and i think justifiably. for the protest is huge amount of pressure with that promise to present it looking the context of occupy tens of thousands of people around the country in the world promising to send them to combat the thing is they still will be showing the
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nato summit. today don't do it so i don't think a lot of patience runs heading for chicago will change and you know it is election season so could there be a fear that widespread protests could be an embarrassment to the administration. no doubt and i think that's true with a lot of the harsh crackdown surrounding the un rest my movement in the beginning of this year and before that. but i think that the kind of environment you're unavoidable when not from it. doesn't look like it's going to be down and talk a little bit about why you think it was moved from chicago to camp david that specific location in maryland david is it really a retreat and it's a compound in the middle of the woods in maryland borough maryland there's very few places where people could can go to protest the national park there's no city
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there's no street income davidic itself is entirely inaccessible. so i doubt there'll be a huge effect but to present a camp david g. eight rather people will remain in chicago and their own nation. but it was a big idea the g. eight nato would be there same time is huge amount of protests focus the move away from the g eight and definitely try to dissipate. and how successful do you think this venue changes will be and silencing. thing occupy protesters who know various rules i think people feel that it's a victory move been made. threats and been responded to but also nato is still going ahead everyone. has a good point. with the nato summit throwing tension so i don't think actually they'll be much throwing away
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a crowd and i don't much interest in the crowd between maryland and chicago because as i said david really inaccessible. since both of these protests are they were both supposed to go on. coincidentally because these two summits were happening in chicago you expect the protest in chicago to be just as massive just as powerful and just you know we've heard i do i do i don't think it will change change much because the women. and really you know these these from it that their way of protest is making inequality and a problem with the leadership. they use the occasion of a summit to do so but it's really an excuse to say the presence of elsewhere. it has shown that people will want to bring in chicago a native but you are calling this a victory or it can be seen as
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a victory for the occupy protesters but they won't be able to protest outside of do so isn't that kind of a blowback for them well you know it's not just the ability to process to the g. eight leaders it's going to be visible which will be equally available in chicago. i don't think. my movement been very good at it hasn't direct attention to the leaders and also. demonstrably fulfilled if not direct. and there are two it's been on the streets connecting to people and making it does visible and so i think the lack of presence of the g eight leaders will make no difference to how much noise and spectacle people will want to take to the streets of chicago. throughout the past weeks and months of has been some speculation that the occupy movement has been dwindling bed do you think that this may help to get a second wind sure and i think you know before that we have calls for
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a general strike that are getting a lot of attention excitement for a huge day on may the first which is just before or just a few weeks before these summits. i think come spring time you're going to have just a wave of action it's no surprise maybe it will be one state street the public was when it's freezing cold up but to be expected but now the weather changing and all the planning that thing going on behind closed doors is going to come into fruition we don't really exciting spring i think and in terms of the switch of the g. eight protests to camp david in maryland it is just speculation at this point there is no proof that the reasoning behind it is to avert these protests is that correct that's correct but that's the kind of proof you very ready. president obama used to illustrate free flowing conversation between the g. eight leaders and from me. free flowing conversation couldn't
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happen in the slighty plane a strike of a chicago summit and had in the retreat at camp david but i don't think we'll ever get a full explanation of all right natasha thank you very much for coming on the show that was natasha lennard reporter at salon dot com. well the f.b.i. today arrested top members of the hacktivist group sac the f.b.i. in new york filed charges against people it was reportedly made possible by this man twenty eight year old hector and they view him on seeger seeger five. it's a being a former member of the hacktivist group and is now working with the f.b.i. now with his help police today arrested a man by the name of jeremy hammond's hemet is named as the person behind hacking into strat for a private u.s. intelligence for he and the others face several charges including computer hacking conspiracy court documents say the group is responsible for hacking into several computer systems of businesses u.s. and foreign government agencies in response anonymous today tweeted we are legion
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we do not have a leader nor will we ever was a group but anonymous is a movement groups come and go ideas remain now the trial will be prosecuted by the u.s. district attorney's office their first court appearance is set for tuesday we will of course keep you updated on this story. now as the world fears another war brewing in the middle east we continue to hear pro-war rhetoric coming from republican presidential candidates and we heard a lot of it's a day at apac the influential jewish lobbying group but there are also key players in congress today that costs consistently benson gather an advocate taking military action and broad john mccain as one of them and just yesterday he said this about how to handle syria the only realistic way to do show is with foreign air power. the united states should lead an international effort to protect the
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population centers in syria especially in the north and airstrikes on assad's forces. and he is the first u.s. senator to call in the u.s. to launch air strikes against syria but he is certainly not alone and his hawkish tone r.t. correspondent christine presented takes a look at a trio that has a long history of friendship be friending and then toppling dictators. they stick together through thick and thin from the queensland to the holy land from the ball field on the battlefield they are senators joseph lieberman and the graham and john mccain seen frequently side by side both physically and politically the call for more war a song almost on repeat for them three have a better war they don't like they led the charge to afghanistan we need more troops there are american troops the attacks by the enemy have gone up about
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a thousand percent in the words of and mullen time is not on our side and they've been called everything from the three amigos the three blind mice ants the axis of error i the website downsize d.c. dot org these tend to work together as a bloc they're kind of an accessible the foreign policy kind of all axis of evil that we heard about that foreign policy not just limited to bush's wars here they are meeting with libyan president moammar gadhafi in august of two thousand and nine at a time when it was in the u.s. interests to call him friend mccain later tweeted this calling him interesting but a year later wanted him gone but if you want gadhafi to go in one of the steps among many would be to establish a no fly zone over the world stand by and allow a leader like kind of use whatever is on people an ongoing target for them iran or use military action against iran we should not only go after their nuclear
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facilities we should just roy their ability to make an additional war they should have no planes that can fly and no ships that can float we keep pointing the gun we haven't pulled a single trigger yet and it's about time we did the two years on and that lack of immediate military action hasn't resulted in armageddon or anything like it still the calls for action expand now across the globe the iranian nuclear program is a threat to the entire world and our own military intervention. is now the necessary factor to reinforce this option assad needs to know that he will not win and now we find ourselves in virtually the same identical debate your leader syria what's going on in syria what's happening you know should we respond to it and once again i mean almost the response he's going to come and say well we've got to go to war the mood of the american people may have shifted to ending the wars but the compared to a lot before war does have its supporters are very popular with the military
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industrial complex which sees every new adventure every new invasion every new occupation every new major bombing campaign as an investment but it's an investment fewer and fewer americans are willing to make they're already lived through the consequences of the previous military adventures in fact critics say those who continue to follow senators mccain lieberman and graham are blind themselves they may hear the drumbeat for war but they fail to see the bigger picture the very real possibility of pitfalls ahead in washington christine for our team so we see who the powerful players are when it comes to promoting pro-war agendas and sometimes spreading democracy is used as the justification for military intervention but sometimes the plan backfires take for example egypt where democracy promotion programs are breeding resentment and suspicion u.s. nonprofit groups recently paid millions to bail out of egypt accuses of
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unauthorized use of foreign funds so as the united states pursuits of spread democracy and said greeting anti-american sentiment abroad take a current partner president of the future of freedom foundation joining me earlier and address these quest questions including why is the american quest to spread democracy now over sieved in the middle east take a lesson. well perhaps because there really isn't a quest to spread democracy it's a sham it's really a cover for installing pro-u.s. regimes and then you mitch in egypt here's a classic example who has been the principal supporter of this military dictatorship for some thirty years and it's the us government to billions of dollars of foreign aid so now they're a little bit conflicted because they see the temperament of the people changing but they're still funneling money into that regime and you see it all around the world so this idea that the government loves democracy is nonsense that's just the pretense for regime change to get pro-u.s.
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regimes into power so you're saying that democracy is used as an excuse to militarily intervene in other countries but there isn't much more to it than wanting to spread democracy of course i mean look at the whole history of u.s. foreign policy since world war two you had the ouster of a democratically elected prime minister of iran mohammad most today and the installation by the cia of a brutal unelected dictator the shah of iran the same thing happening guatemala they oust the democratically elected president to the country in a cia crew and install a brutal military dictatorship pinochet dictatorship i mean i could go on and on that we share of dictatorship in pakistan they love that dictatorship this has nothing to do with democracy and said everything to do with edge of money and i do want to shift focus now to libya because there are some new developments there today tribal leaders have declared their autonomy in the east but libya libya's
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interim government is opposing the move saying it will lead to breaking libya apart so after the death of dictator moammar gadhafi of libya any closer to achieving democracy of course not i mean it's a bigger mess than ever before and let's keep in mind that you know khadafi is another example of where the u.s. government was really was it. reaching out to him as part of their rendition torture program where they were trying to get him to torture people on on on the governor on the u.s. government's behalf thank thing they've done with egypt and syria and other dictatorships but libya's a classic example of where libya belongs to the libyans it doesn't belong to the us government it's not a colony of the us empire or the british empire that libya should have been left alone it should continue to be left alone by the u.s. government because all they do by intervening is make things worse not only for the people within the country but for we the american people as well do you think democracy is able to be achieved and might be a. possibly i mean you know it's
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a difficult process but that's that's something that should be left to them to achieve. the u.s. government should use but out of it is it possible sure is a difficult of course but it's a decision that they have to make themselves and you think that sometimes maybe when the u.s. and the last intervene in the name of spreading democracy that sometimes things don't exactly play out the way they had planned and sometimes a plan that fires now it's almost always like that i mean this the cia calls in blowback where you have this this is an adverse effect in you know it's like riding a wild tiger it always ends up differently than what you plan to look at iraq and iraq a total mess they've killed what over one hundred thousand people is nothing but violence there i mean the paradise that they envisioned is that they planned well in the age of their war of aggression to do this because this country turned out to
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be the exact opposite it is a land of violence and strife and death and destruction now and certainly iraq is another example where seems like they are very far away from achieving democracy i do have a gate of want to take a look at the other side of the argument if there is an oppressive regime and there is proof of heinous human rights violations how can you argue that change is not needed in these scenarios. well i don't argue that change is not needed but let's keep in mind that democracy is not freedom i mean there's a reason why democracy is not even par and mentioned in the us constitution that a democratic regime can be just as dictatorial as a as a non-elected regime the only advantage that democracy really brings is the ability of people to peacefully change regimes when public opinion changes but it's certainly no guarantee of freedom freedom is when you've got a government whose powers are limited and we don't see that in any of the countries in the middle east where the government u.s.
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government has intervened where there's pro-u.s. regimes you don't even see here in this country where we now live under a democracy where the government's got the power to assassinate its own people round up its own people or cart them away torture them military tribunals that's not freedom and our founding fathers and our framers of our constitution understood it wasn't for you they are saying the achievement democracy and the difficulty even here in our own country well democracies easier it's the achievement of freedom that's difficult that's up to the citizens to control the power to restrain the powers of their government even when their governments democratically elected because a democracy majority rule mark rule can be just as tyrannical as an unknown like totalitarian dictatorship shake out thank you very much for coming on the show that was jacob hornberger president of the future of freedom foundation. thank you.
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i'll still add an hour to you the results are encouraging our georgia amber upon all have a clear winner and are republican primary election but as super tuesday really a pivotal point of the g.o.p. race or is it all i find your height at starting at. r g is the state run english speaking russian channel it's kind of like. russia today has an extremely confrontational stance when it comes to us. we just put a picture of me when i was like nineteen years old when she told the truth.
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i meant to get a sense that i was driving. and trip. it was kind of yesterday. and very. simply. what drives the world the fear mongering used by politicians who makes decisions to break through it and they can you trust no one. is imbue it with noble mission ridge see where we had a state controlled capitalism it's called national so when nobody dares to ask we do our t. question. morning. well it is super tuesday and you know what that means for
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republican presidential candidates schmoozing their way through ten states trying to win the party nomination and one primary at a time it's considered to be one of the biggest days in the race to be the republican presidential nominee up for grabs today four hundred nineteen delegates the states include alaska georgia idaho massachusetts north dakota ohio oklahoma vermont tennessee and virginia i'll hire considered the most significant because no republican candidate has ever won the general election without first winning the primary and that state however george actually has the most delegates to be once a day at seventy seven now the polls are just starting to close in several of the states here's what we know so far as expected newt gingrich won the peach state georgia while mitt romney claimed vermont regina and massachusetts rick santorum took oklahoma but as of right now ohio and tennessee are too close to call the rest
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of the polling stations are closing any matter of hours of course super tuesday though is not the end all be all for the g.o.p. race but it is sure to captivate the mass media airwaves and caused millions and millions of dollars but the ongoing primary spectacle has some wondering when will all the madness at ben cohen editor for the daily be answer and president of the bands or media group told us what he really thinks about all this hype. it's a waste of time i mean i think it's pretty clear the grammys is going to win this i think this is just a bit of a dog and pony show so we can all you know the media can have it it's going to keep interest and have some fun. yeah i mean it's a gigantic waste of money we've spent this spending millions and millions of dollars on this stuff and you know the policies of these guys are so similar there isn't really much to differentiate between any of them we will know who's going to win it's going to be mitt romney so you know let's get it over with and but you do
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make this argument that the two party system in the u.s. is not sustainable it's not working why not. because i think in. in the long run when you have two parties that are so similar. policies or so it's very difficult to differentiate between the two parties you've got about two percent difference that's a percent does make a big difference in the in the scheme of things you have programs that you know message that will help poor people you have you know the quote the difference between college loans you know the public and its. banks to cure for the democrats would rather get straight to the students those policy issues do make a difference but now i think if you look at votes participation has been going to you after year after year after year after year and that's been a trend for decades now and what do you think is behind that trap i think people the public is just not going what the politicians are selling anymore because it's
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not real it's not just some by politics their policies are currently if anyone could remember the difference between john kerry's health care plan and george bush's health care plan i'll give him a meadow because i carve a bit of difference because there wasn't really much of a difference and that's the point you're not really supposed to know the difference it's just it's a circus act and i think the longer this goes on for the less and less people are going to be inclined to vote and they don't have to spend more money trying to get people to vote and at the end of the day where does this go when it's very very but this president and this is just it's not a reversal trying to mess there was a huge change in the system now what does that change in the system that you propose what needs to change clothes in the system you have to have company funds for for you have to you have to get money out of the states is the only way to do it you can have a system where the rich can get wins but the kind of the most money wins because you're always going to have consolidation of interests they get behind the
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candidates that are going to cater to their particular interests so the only way to stop that is have a genuine candidate is to get money out of politics and speaking of it campaign finance reform and money and politic. that is the we are seeing the funding of super pacs and to what extent do you think that these kinds of campaigns that have played it so far are the funding of these campaigns to what extent have a impacted the election so far they have a huge it's on the on the campaign i mean it's just you look at the history of. you know which candidate has the most money and which candidate wins it's in the state of showing correlation between the amount of money spent on the candidate in the various different you know they can raise money through a number of different opinions they get more complicated than any we have kind of piecemeal. legislation to try and stop that but there's always
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a way around. and you can just chart the correlation between because it is the winner because of the most money i mean romney is a great example of a car you just you have the republican establishment goes on personal fortune behind it and he's going to win now i know that you say all these candidates are basically the same and nothing is going to change anyway is there is one candidate ron paul is different from the others especially when it comes to foreign policy and his answer war stance what do you may do you make of him compose an interesting kind of that he's not going to win but he he he tells the truth he goes to over truth i don't think he's right i think his analysis is correct i think is proposals on a. kind of same group that he wants to dismantle the government doesn't want you know you can let's get rid of the federal reserve i mean this stuff is crazy but his analysis is correct and he's telling the truth because of. he's a big he's in his ability to convert reality. and he's getting some traction so
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he's it was going to be in the b.b. he was going to get some attention. i don't think. he's going to be around the next election to make it is no use to generate some attention. so the big money for the so but there is some talk you say that there needs to be an alternative to the two party system there is some talk that ron paul could join a third party what do you make of that will that change the dynamics will that offered the change that you're looking for what are your thoughts on that i think a third party candidate would be interesting to put it. in the system but it could you have to it's the structure of the system that's those corruptions the money that makes a difference and in this room who can raise this most voters that romney or barack obama has no chance of getting there's any of them all right well that's all the time we have for today i have
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a feeling you're not too excited to watch how the primaries play how today. i think we all can kind of guess how they will play out thank you very much for coming on the show that was ben cohen editor for the daily banter and president of the big dance or media group. all that is going to do before the news but for tonight but stick around because the big picture is coming up at the top of the hour it's night host tom hartman has congresswoman jan schakowsky of illinois on the show to get her take on the rising gas prices in the u.s. and later we'll tell you why wofford of capitalism save the u.s. economy and why you think you lead agree. and for more on the stories we've covered you can head on over to our dot com slash usa there you'll find my interview with rebecca ville comber sen with a jewish voice for peace she told me all about the battle going on between mitt romney newt gingrich and rick santorum and the four primary votes these men are duking it out over.

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