welcome to the ilona show where we get the real headlines with none from our state i live in washington d.c. outside we're going to take a deeper look at the legal justification attorney general eric holder is trying to use but explaining why this is ministration thinks they can kill you then a new examination on the autopsy reports of two kid mode detainee's raises questions as to whether or not their deaths were really suicides at the d.o.t. says answer to six released by the part of the part of education show that punishment in schools is not equal with black and hispanic students having

a lot more of it so we're going to all the more free to night including those of happy hour but first take a look with mainstream media has decided to miss. its part so it's a super tuesday big day in terms of elections which obviously means a big big deal for the mainstream media. all right live the big day folks super tuesday the voting is underway ten states in a one day guess what we're going to talk about first. tuesday it's here super tuesday ten states more than four hundred delegates for me contenders four hundred twenty four delegates are at stake oklahoma is going to be a big win for him but georgia has the most delegates. expects to win most of the candidates are ferreting out all over the country doing last minute campaigning to get over thirty thirty five tonight and they'll consider that a pretty good night to super tuesday go to the east of the mississippi already

heading to the polls and they are casting votes now and mitt romney and rick santorum in a statistical tie in ohio romney these are his targets thirty five plus out of ohio he can get that win or lose mitt romney and rick santorum are virtually tied in both ohio and tennessee tennessee fifteen plus four hundred nineteen delegates are at stake in the candidates are desperate to break free from the pack look at santorum schools thirty plus in losing he still needs to do if you wins that state he's got to figure out hope he can get thirty. so all day we're seeing statistics numbers delegate counts be broken down into minute detail while the mainstream media obsesses over that while simultaneously talking about the inevitability of mitt romney becoming the g.o.p. nominee and look at some things that always get left out in this kind of coverage i know today i'm not going to talk about the money although that is also a big one so far it's been calculated that eleven point five million dollars have been spent by outside groups in the states but now today i'd like to take

a look at mitt romney's policies specifically his policy on education stuff we get all the mainstream media treats this like a horse race these people are actually running to be the president and the side of the issues where you can easily pick on them for flip flopping but romney making it particularly either the or easier than the rest of the candidates of course issues like education don't often get discussed and i bring this up because there are new statistics out there showing that student loan debt is worse than previously thought one in four borrowers in fact have delinquent student loans now we know the problem is back we knew that student loan debt passed the one trillion dollars mark recently we knew that student loan debt had overtaken credit card debt in this country but this is just more bad news so in talking about education and student loan debt what does mitt romney have to say for starters if you go into his campaign website and look under the issues education isn't even on there so i guess a bunch of tell us a lot to think about why it is that americans have such high student loan debt in

this state we live in a society where parents counselors universities employers where everybody tells you that in order to get a good job you have to get a college degree universities across the country are meantime making a killing in charging insane prices because they know that no matter what no matter how much debt it's going to put you in people are going to pay and so unless you qualify for some kind of aid for a scholarship you're going to be forced to pay twenty to fifty thousand dollars a year for more exclusive private institutions the ivy leagues being more expensive expensive of course but who doesn't want to go to an ivy league when will makes it more likely for you to get a job according to romney though and what he said in the past about affordable education it's really easy to find other options. if you can't afford it scholarships are available shop around for make sure you go to a place that's reasonably priced if you can think about surely in the country because that's the way to get all that education for free. right so if you can

afford it bad just join the military this coming from the same kind of politician that calls for a constant military conflict but who would never have his own children serve because they can afford that top notch education but if we keep looking at romney's record he does offer one more solution to student loans for profit universities romney claims that they actually hold down costs of course only well that's just not true that average tuition of core profit colleges is nearly twice that of public four year universities nearly five times as much as public community colleges and that's all according to the department of education that only about twelve percent of college students nationwide attend for profit schools but the sector is responsible for more than forty five percent of federal student loan defaults and we're only about one in five students at community colleges take out loans to finance their tuition who are five students for profit two and four year schools sign off on loans also according to the department of education and the

loans of peace for profit schools are pretty hefty too based on an analysis of federal data by the college board more than half of students attending four year for private colleges are going to emerge with that of more than thirty thousand dollars compared to less than a quarter of students at private nonprofit colleges and twelve percent of students and public universities so this is mitt romney solution to our student loan debt problem everybody began to wonder promising to six prove that for profit institutions in fact saddle students with more debt i wouldn't support them i guess the answer is always follow the money twice romney is indoors full sail university this is a for profit institution in florida where by the way a constitution runs more than eighty thousand. dollars but what i didn't mention is that full sales chief executive man named bill have heard he's a major campaign donor and the cochairman of his state run raising team in florida on top of that he and his wife of each given the maximum twenty five hundred

dollars to romney's campaign and he gave forty five thousand dollars to restore our future the super pac run by former romney aides to bolster his campaign so like i said paulo the money there ladies and gentlemen is how this presidential candidate plans on tackling one of the biggest issues facing this country generations saddled with debt and the problem is if you want to run education like it's a business i'm sorry but it just doesn't work that way so all i'm saying is it would be nice if we were a little more from the mainstream media on what exactly these candidates are proposing rather than just playing with maps that show delegates but these kinds of things they choose to miss. we have today i gave you my two cents on attorney general eric holder speech outlining why this is ministration thinks they can extra judicially execute u.s. citizens abroad speaking to

a roomful of law students and faculty at northwestern university holder said that the u.s. government has the right to order the killing of u.s. citizens abroad if they're senior al qaeda operatives who pose an imminent terrorist threat and cannot reasonably be captured and we did this without specifically mentioning anwar a lot the or without releasing the legal memos the administration allegedly used in that case another standout line was that the president is required to get permission from a federal court before he takes this kind of action because according to this administration due process and judicial process are not one in the same especially when it comes to national security and all this was presented by the in turn in general as an indicator of our times not a departure from our laws and our values but could that possibly be any more wrong i think that charles pierce wrote it best yesterday when he said that that statement is a quote monumental pile of crap it should and there is every democrat who ever said an unkind word about john yoo so joining me from our studio in new york is scott

horton contributing editor on legal and national security matters for harper's magazine scott thanks so much for joining us tonight and i guess i want to break some of these issues down legally with you you've got the better legal mind than i do that's for sure but just overall what did you think of the speech yesterday. bad effort i give them a failing grade frankly a big disappointment remember all this starts started with broad the public demand picked up by newspapers around the country by members of congress by legal experts to release the o l c memorandum a fifty page memo that set out the legal policies for these targeted killings and we know that inside the justice department there was strong sentiment to do exactly that it appears that eric holder wanted to do that there was pushback coming from the intelligence community and then as a compromise it was decided eric holder will go out and well he won't publish the

memorandum but you know he'll give us a good solid synopsis of this memo in the speech and it looks like he started out with the speech that was believed to kiss that in the speech got pulled back and pulled back and pared and edited and we wound up with nothing effectively i mean what what we heard in the speech at northwestern was essentially whether the already been leaked whether the period in articles by by charlie savage and others absolutely nothing new no real depth of analysis and then the this presentation of some of the legal issues was just muddled that's all you can say all right so let's get into some of those that legal issues one of the things that hold her claim is that due process and judicial process that these are two separate things and he also claimed that a recent court decision basically it's sad that the president doesn't need to get off already from the courts before he wanted to act as if this had to do with.

that was overseas but that a lot of people are pointing out that if you actually look at the supreme court case which has humdinger versus rumsfeld that's not even true. well that's right i mean let's just start with the due process and issue he's saying we are providing due process we've got procedures set up inside the administration with rules there will be a pride in these cases and by the way we're not going to tell you unauthorized about how that procedure operates and and who's making the decisions he's right when he says there's a recent federal court case that's the case itself where a federal judge in washington while chiding the administration over its handling of this nevertheless they didn't have to get judicial approval in advance but let's go back to this fundamental point. and the anglo american tradition of law with law that's based on a recognition of fundamental rights we have what was called the principle of

liberty and that said you don't deprive an individual of his freedom or his life without going to a court that there is a judicial check on that process and i think what you're seeing here is a circumvention of that very fundamental rule and the law historically has really only permitted one clear circumvention of rule and that is in war time decisions are made on the battlefield where you fire at one of your adversaries that was always viewed as some things privilege so i think what we've seen here is sort of a conflation of these things a sort of mishmash in the back room kitchen to create a new set of rules that is putting this new authority and the hands of the executive but we also got to go back and say you know this is not just in the making of the obama administration this represents a new approach to war making this whole procedure of targeted killings it's

becoming a more and more important part of the defense strategy of the united states recognized as such in recent policy papers by. department of defense really goes back to the bush administration and indeed a lot of this seems to have been put in place under the tutelage of dick cheney so here we see one of dick cheney's ideas being rather frightening carried forward by barack obama and his attorney general eric holder and this is of course a problem when the entire world becomes your battlefield and you know it's. very general eric holder claims that this is not stepping away from our values or our laws or our ideals but i can't see you know the notion that really this is some small committee that then sends some information out to the president who then you know laterally decides whether they're going to execute this american citizen or not as anything but a huge removal from our values and ideals but i thought it was interesting to eric

holder yesterday said that those who choose to use the word assassination he said that it's misplaced he said it isn't belong in this discussion let's hear it make completely wrong about that i mean i think that was one of the big giveaways. he said the assassination is another lawful killing in fact it's not i think this this tells you what's going on with this speech that is some professional p.r. analysts got their hands on it and decided to mold and shape it and use language that they thought would go over well with the public and maybe it does but they give you a very muddled idea of the wall and how the law applies i think of the size is another really good example is this whole idea of immediacy so he tells us there has to be in the media threat to the united states or u.s. interests to justify use of disappear already and then i think we as we see going through the speech he doesn't use the media the way most people would you know

immediate can be sometime in the course of the next year. yeah that is definitely a problem not to mention this part i found interesting to you he said first that this person has to pose an imminent threat and then in the same speech he also says the constitution does require the president to delay the action until there is some theoretical stage of planning is what he calls it where we know the precise time date location of an attack that might be planned so in essence in that sense it really doesn't have to be immediate right this can be preemptive preventative. i think that that's really the only sensible construction to place on this because practically speaking what's going on here you know we have what let's call it the death committee why we have that term used in the health care debate metaphorically but here it's quite literally there are death committees that review these things

and give approval and get authorization and then we see the implementation may take many many months and there in that period of time there's no need to go back to this committee to revisit the question of immediacy we're told because it made the decision at one point that's it but we are also told that in the process of targeting and implementing they have to take into account humanity proportionality and these other considerations of course that's right that's what the law of war requires but i think there's another very important legal factor that got alighted from eric holder speech and that is the importance of being accurate of not making mistakes he says that there's a very important american legal opinion called matthews that set out the factors he says they're following them and then he proceeds not to mention one of the most important factors in that opinion and that is accuracy and being sure that you're not making a mistake in the fact we know that these that these targeted killings have been

carried out many times on the basis of false information u.s. government has acknowledged that so that's a huge problem and a legitimate concern even for people who would agree that the president should have and should exercise his power guys definitely a lot of problems in this speech a lot to take on but it's also really scary and you would think that's a day when the president gave his first press conference of the year he would get one question about it at least and not a single wind we haven't really heard democrats anything out so i find it to be disappointing and disturbing all the way around scott thanks so much for joining us tonight. it's great to be with you. all signed for our first break of the evening but with that recently released autopsy reports big questions about the suicides of wants on of the biggest beef with jeffrey k. why we should be skeptical of the profits of the full story.

of people calling like you said for free and fair elections. and we're still reporting from the same as you can hear behind me a little out of solutions. he. gave. a. you know how sometimes you see a story and it seems so for lengthly is think you understand it and then he lives

something else and you hear sees some other part of it and realize everything you thought you knew you don't know i'm sorry welcome to the big picture. just last week we told you about a string of arrests in several south american countries of the happiness group

anonymous and this week looks like the feds are taking on one of the groups within the movement while sex while since we've heard much from the greyhounds let me refresh your memory also i took down credit card companies and pay pal they also waged d.d. o. s. attacks on fox news the us senate so you think there's an p.b.s. website here when there was a reports of the late rapper tupac alive and well in new zealand well that was one of those six hits as well personal favorite of ours but the documents that were unveiled on tuesday from new york federal court show that five people allegedly linked to moles have been charged and interestingly enough there's a six person in the group who's already pleaded guilty and how is that possible well apparently he was caught last summer and according to the f.b.i. he's been working as an informant ever since that's right activist turned a mole informant question might sound familiar you may better know him as sabu and we've mentioned him several times in the past because moto even calls him the most notorious and influential hacker a lot well turns out it's twenty eight twenty eight year old hector javier

a new york father of two he's been leading hackers from his residence in a public housing project in new york and according to the feds turning around and then feeding info to them since two savile also reportedly managed to give enough information on the other hackers to help the f.b.i. press charges against them a month to have hackers who were arrested are ryan ackroyd. number one his aide his second in command according to fox news taylor was the one figured out how vulnerable the u.s. senate security system was leading to the senate website being hacked and a short time later davis better known as topiary also amongst the captured hackers and in fact he was arrested back in july but won't face charges from the f.b.i. until now he was arrested by scotland yard after he took part in a cyber attacks against anti wiki leaks companies like visa master card and pay pal they decide to cut off allowing financial services to go to them i spoke with him over a year ago about the hack and why they did it. these companies have. paypal for example

is stopped funding we can reach they took the phones from wiki leaks and they refused to get them but they have given them but you know but we believe this was not really liked they wanted to do they were forced to do it and we're not a malicious group we were doing this for a reason we're doing the reason for the information in speech. now they're also to rest out of ireland there and martin who's moniker is own sauce and. bell who goes by palladium online but alas soccer facing charges of stronger ties to anonymous. jeremy hammond and ark and our chaos resides in chicago and he's supposedly the person behind this back in december and here's an interesting tidbit uncovered by the guardian today when he was talking with an r k also about the strap really so i would offer an f.b.i. own server to keep all the information and as the guardian points out this with me that the f.b.i. would be able to search him possibly and then the info that was shared so we could

also give the u.s. the key that it needs to bring charges against me because remember there's still a grand jury investigation underway in alexandria virginia so the obvious question here is what are these arrests mean for the group as a whole both anonymous and also approving resilience to previous arrests which is one of the major reasons that they've always stuck with a format where members are loosely affiliated and last week we saw alleged members of anonymous get arrested by interpol they retaliated or after an important us to gauge and they retaliated with attacks on interpol's website as well as police websites in the countries where those hackers were addressed it so all the f.b.i. figures out what to do with the hackers they've arrested we're just going to sit back wait for them to show us what their next move might be. now what we know there are seven hundred seventy nine prisoners who were sent to guantanamo bay under the bush administration so they hundred seventy one remain so been transferred or released all the one has been brought to trial in the united states and sentenced to life in prison and eight have died at the prison and the circumstances surrounding some of those deaths are mysterious just. a link and

a call for debate and calls for investigation but it will take a look at the deaths of two detainee abdul rahman along may of two thousand and seven and the holiday villa folly in two thousand and nine both were labeled a suicide by the department of defense brought out the reports released last year and so recently on exam and raise questions as to whether these are really it was or something else joining me has got this is jeffrey kaye psychologist and contributor for truthout or separate and i thought back on the show tonight i guess first tell me why it is that if this information the thought out there for its release last year they went on examined for so long or really only finding out about it now well that's a very good question and it means really that the president doing their. living hungry. for the a.c.l.u. and posted on the. web site i'm not sure how many months.

i was following up on the story. that i had written back in two thousand on the suicide reporting. going on. to see if. any on the part of the release and sure enough. there much to my surprise. romney. rudely. on the. right well let's talk about briefly some of the details about the case of a long maria they said that he was found because the ad hominum selfness the suicide but then the report also found that he had his own hands tied behind his back and you know what other piece of the puzzle the site makes sense there. right well it's a very rare occurrence as someone has found who hang themselves against the

hide behind their back i mean the thing to do and then it's not easy to secure the news came yourself i'm going to do it's not unprecedented my review of the literature but it's rare and in fact. most rooms at the authorities will agree that . warrants the least investigation to rule out a possible homicide there's no indication that the department of defense ever did that or autopsy reports with the conclusion of suicide was released a little over wasn't released was completed over a little over a week after it has been. there were other aspects. in the autopsy report of earlier amerie that were also. one of them has to do with the fact that they claim that he is best he uses a razor to fashion and used to hang himself but razors are not given to guantanamo detainees and they're very closely monitored so those to whom they are given their

english are we're hearing is accepted how long really was the special related segregated prisoner. and those prisoners were not even supposed to be different reasons i'm assuming that the shot were period so there's some question as to how he got a razor. and how it wasn't discovered during the routes. because of the things we know from various detainee reports oh yeah i was i was let's talk about this other case too with. he had been somebody who you mentioned and i wonder if you think that this might be a cause for motivation somebody who was a representative considered a leader amongst the detainees at who it partake in numerous hunger strike the which there is a horrible method where they were then a force feeding him at the same time he was supposed to be under constant supervision right where there were twenty four hour camera surveillance where they were checking on him every five minutes what happened there. well that's true too

by the way of all of them are these prisoners were supposed to be under current studio surveillance and their cells in fact on every three to five minutes let's look at the burden of the pencil me a fold of the reporters but oh when our feet supposedly bedsheets which back in two thousand and six we not on our c.e.o.'s go supposedly an elastic band from its underwear to wrap it around his neck and then strangled himself. well like. the time was and behind one but not so strangulation is a very rare way. and you have to be able to secure the ligature around your neck so that it doesn't occur when you lose consciousness. the autopsy report didn't claim how that was done but to say he twisted the elastic band in a kind of nodded his head but the report can't even keep its story straight because

at one point he says he did it on the right hand side and another he did it on the left inside. the underwear is another i mean my article dot org on mrs truck full of different facts calling into question the actual circumstances of the. underwear is referred to in the autopsy report about the nashi resort or eats use the elastic band in many many women i'm sure you know about. the last one in fact i discovered in two thousand and two. they had. after the two thousand and six. we the thingy on base change the type of underwear that was being used because of the suicide resting against them but the guard jeffrey i have to tell you lack of it i had a break here but i do like about five want to read your article because you do break it down an extensive detail here.