tv [untitled] March 7, 2012 6:00pm-6:30pm EST
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these are the images the world has been seeing from the streets of canada. showing the corporations rule today. how can they loan a show at the real headlines with none of them or say we're going to live in washington d.c. now tonight we're going to take a look at the moves towards u.s. involvement in syria mccain is calling for airstrikes defense secretary leon panetta while warning that unilateral action is not a plan hasn't ruled out a military option altogether but aside from spending millions putting out t.v. ads campaigns also spent a lot of time and money learning about their possible voters a real look at just how much campaigns know about you and bill's working its way through the georgia legislature to bar undocumented students from all the state
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universities so we're going to learn about one underground university or professors volunteer to give everyone the education that they deserve or not all that morphy tonight including a dose of happy hour but first let's take a look at the mainstream media has decided to miss. all right so after super tuesday a day of news on wednesday is usually pretty boring the mainstream media just spend hours and hours hashing over the results and what they might mean. people public races this berkey is there for a split decision on super tuesday that romney taking six states including the big prize ohio they both are in but the jury sure is still out barely one percentage point separates romney from rick santorum in ohio eleven a million votes cast and there was about a twelve thousand vote difference between romney and santorum no knockout punch mitt romney narrowly avoids a super tuesday catastrophe romney continues to struggle with the same parts of the
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party he has struggled with the entire campaign for conservatives and southern conservatives rick santorum continues to sow strength among conservative voters and so to see romney by nearly double digits mitt romney as you probably know winning six of ten contests but he could not deliver a knockout punch no knockout punch in super tuesday is races all of romney's rivals are still around all four of these candidates say that they are very much still in it to win it what we ought to take away from last night is how extraordinary it was that an absolute majority of the delegates ended up in the pool in the pocket of mitt romney i don't know how romney's denied the nomination and i don't know how clutch is it. now there was a brief moment today where the super tuesday result covered stopped for a very important press conference and no one in the president's press conference that was yesterday guys today with another incredibly important leader. peyton manning and the indianapolis colts one of the greatest shows it and it will history
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ending after fourteen years and a super bowl championship and we are seconds away from what could be the end of an era in professional football colts owner jim irsay is expected to announce he's releasing the poor time m.v.p. quarterback this essentially is a business decision for superstar quarterback peyton manning and the fourth time m.v.p. winner peyton manning in the indianapolis colts divorced the team reportedly releasing him to avoid at least in part twenty eight million dollars bonus. yeah that's right the hard hitting cable news channels out there took some time out of the political horse race to talk about peyton manning's departure from the colts i don't get me wrong i know that football is a big deal for americans but keep in mind we have entire sports channels dedicated to covering sports just like we have entire channels dedicated to covering entertainment which is another area of me through media just can't help but try to tackle it but if you want to spend some time on manning today i suggest you pay
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a little attention to another manning bradley manning yes that's the young army private of the government is charging with leaking hundreds of thousands of classified documents to wiki leaks now this point the preparations for the grand jury are well underway let's not forget what it took to get here let's not forget that for eight months bradley manning was held at quantico before ever seeing it in court he was held in solitary confinement at some points he was forced to strip he was deprived of sleep when someone had to check in on him frequently of the conditions of his confinement were considered tantamount to torture by legal scholars by human rights organizations the top newspapers around the country all editorialized against his treatment and yesterday one mendez the un special rapporteur on torture said at the human rights council meeting in geneva the bradley manning was subjected to cruel inhuman and degrading treatment in the excessive and prolonged isolation that he was subjected to and he also rejected the
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way in which the obama administration tried to defend his condition so that the explanation he was given for these eight months was not convincing to him let's not forget the one mendez i've been trying to me for months with bradley manning to get access to interview him one on one and this administration refused so if they were so sure of the way they were holding manning was no problem at all why wouldn't they let the u.n. official me with him it's really inexcusable especially if you consider it's been greenwald pointed out today that even the bush administration had allowed investigators with the international committee of the red cross to have interviews with. high value detainees at guantanamo bay i was of course after they had been transferred from cia black sites but they were allowed to meet with them no less so what possible excuse could there be for denying access to bradley manning this is the way that our government is chosen to function this by all the talk of transparency and of holding the rule of law and now this is what's being discussed at the un human rights council but of course there was a bit of peep in the mainstream media about this peyton manning is
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a football hero but bradley manning an army private who was subjected to cruel inhumane and degrading treatment by his own government is someone that they choose to miss. but. well looks like some kind of u.s. action is taking shape on syria violence continues an estimated seventy five hundred people have been killed senior obama administration officials are finalizing a package of options for aiding both the internal and external syrian opposition and that's according to the foreign policy's the cable and this includes providing direct humanitarian and communications assistance but stop short of direct military assistance that stop might be a quick one of those testifying before the senate armed services committee defense secretary leon panetta ruled out unilateral military action but not military action well together. we are reviewing all possible additional steps that
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can be taken with our international partners to support the efforts to protect the syrian people to end the violence and ensure regional stability including for chitral military options if necessary. so should we get ready to say hello to u.s. involvement in yet another conflict in the middle east joining me to discuss it is jack rice former cia officer and criminal defense attorney that thanks so much for joining us now of course we have the john mccains of the bunch that are calling for not only direct us vomit they want us air strikes but at the same time if we listen to you we are panetta if we listen to the president if we listen to martin dempsey does it sound like the military officials are at least trying to urge some kind of caution although still leaving the door open oh absolutely i mean president obama just came out within the last forty eight hours really to all of the republican candidates saying you guys need to hold back here you need to hold back and hold on
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everybody just beat the drums on this it's not just the likes of john mccain but lindsey graham has done this lieberman has come out in favor it is i think part of the problem right now is that there are others who are looking at the same thing and you're and then you have the other side of the coin right now including the turks and others around your are trying to stick can we find some middle ground either some peace corridors so humanitarian aid or even more but this is starting to sound like what we saw with libya earlier all right and so there are diplomatic options as you mentioned that people are looking for but one of the other things that leon panetta said was that we need to have a clear legal basis for any action that's taken and so in a situation like this what exactly would be the legal basis because with libya we saw a u.n. security council resolution here there is not consensus with the u.n. security council as we saw with russia and china saying no the first time around so then what other venues are there. well that's actually the point and you know what
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that's really the interesting part because what leon panetta was talking about we're getting seen is from the president is before they would go to the u.n. security council which is what they were able to do in libya hence they got that the germans they got the french they got the brits the italians others were really involved in terms of the issue because they don't have that right now i think the angle they're trying they're going they very likely will take is something more like crimes against humanity going to hague some other option aaron saying we're going to go in simply to protect civilians and it's absolutely true that there are civilians that have been killed at least it appears by large numbers nobody even knows they can't even get into some of the towns and the syrian military is actually going towards others as well so my expectation is it will become a question of protecting civilians rather than a unilateral approach or even something we're finding from the u.n. because let's face it the russians and the chinese are really holding out on it still although the russians are starting to turn
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a little bit. i want and that's putin also was. opposing calls or i guess you could say statements that people were making that assad night have exile in russia and saying that that is not by any means true but what about this package that a poet like supposedly there are working on right within the obama administration what they're saying here is that they are not working with the free syrian army they're working with the syrian national council and so how can we look at these two different. different groups the different factions that are there boy those that really great question because believe it or not i keep coming back to libya because this was the very same problem that the americans and the europeans had is that we didn't know who all these various groups are there's at least ten right now who are essentially anti syrian and just to sort of give you a us a sense of what this means is this can be dose who tortures and tortured fight against the syrians that's true but this also is the likes of as the lottery in the
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head of al qaeda are already starting to they're against the syrians as well and so what you have is this very muddled question as to read these people are if you start talking about protecting them or providing support to them do you provide simply humanitarian support or do you start providing arms and you can provide arms are we turning this into another afghanistan everything about your game and others that right now even in libya that question is still out there where libya started to break into pieces and there's arms that have gone all over the place are we going to see the same thing happen in syria that's really i think what the obama administration rightfully is concerned about because of the instability to that could cause exactly who have put those arms well it's interesting because if you listen to john mccain who clearly there is not consensus amongst the republican leadership on his idea for u.s. airstrikes right now i there he had multiple times within these hearings today went back to the clinton administration and had tried to remind everybody what happened
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and. and use that as an example of why the u.s. should launch air strikes in syria now what do you think about that comparison actually i thought it was a fascinating argument to make against obama because if we think about what happened with president clinton and he was really working very closely with tony blair the prime minister of great britain on this issue and what tony blair called this was muscular humanitarianism i mean that's what he was talking about in kosovo and bosnia and he's done this also in africa where the idea of coming in because of humanitarian crises the willingness to almost unilaterally come in and if you can't get an international agreement and you can't get everybody in the room you do sort of what we did in iraq where you get. the leading countries of the world and those can sometimes be you know well to el salvador if you know where you can get three guys from here and so you send out a couple of dogs you can and you can have their flag running to are we going to see that i think we're starting to see an effort to sort of cobble together
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a large group of nations who then can say this is an international consensus when in fact i don't think we have that now you know we don't have a consensus here in the united states let alone anywhere else in the world now is there way that you think you can look at what's going on here and try to find the obama administration's foreign policy or really put a word to use an explanation for it right because one hand we're supposed to i mean down our war is the troops are gone from iraq afghanistan is winding down but then we also had an eight month campaign in libya and now it looks like there's going to be some kind of involvement here and who knows all too often i think that these things end up and being in regime change because once you start it where does it go next not to mention it on top it's everywhere. oh you're absolutely right i think that's actually a fear here and you know it you and i have talked about this and one of the things that i think our biggest problem is we have this really terrible history in the region where we claim that we're there for the good of the people of whatever country it is we're about to invade and we will either do that or we will force
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racine to regime change as we have in iran back in the fifty's and elsewhere and so everybody will look at us and they will question what it is that we have to say because we have shown essentially that we lied to them on a regular basis i'm simply being honest about it and what we're seeing right now with the syrians is even if we say we're there for the humanitarian good of the people there's a lot of reason and a lot of distrust in the region regarding what it is we say versus what it is we're actually trying to do well on that note see let me just ask you quickly how much you think that some of the calls for intervention here might have to deal with iran because we even heard from general mattis say that this could be the biggest blow to iran in twenty five year is if assad is taken out well i think there is something to it you can take a look at what it is that the americans have already done it again i don't see this from my perspective is an american bashing conversation it's simply not but we've got to consider the context of where the iranians are here and i think about this
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from my perspective what i was close to the iranian border when i was in iraq and then i was close to the iranian border when i was in afghanistan and in fact we have a picture movement going against that we are surrounding them in almost every single way and i think there's an interest in the americans to be in places like bonspiel in khost kosovo the being in turkey right on the turkish iraqi border to being in iraq to be you know afghanistan to being in in this case syria yeah i think there's a lot of people are starting to wonder is this just the next great adventure is this just one we're country sort of in the long domino of countries that we've already seen rolled in and out of or rolled in and stayed in i should say. all right jack i want to thank you so much for joining us tonight and you know with all the talk that's going on looks like this might even come faster or before anything with with iran does there's always a little too much going on thanks so much. all right still to come tonight it's not just google the government collecting your personal information field on a campaign as well so we look at how campaigns across the country are using your
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broad obama start of his presidency with promises of transparency and a new way of doing things in washington right marcus h. that he made during his first full day in the white house or guarding a freedom of information act requests. the directives i am giving my administration today on how to interpret the freedom of information act will do just that for a long time now there's been too much secrecy in this city the old rules said that if there was a defensible argument for not disclosing something to the american people they should not be disclosed that era is now over. well fast forward to now and critics are claiming that the obama administration is the worst in the years when it comes to fulfilling freedom of information act request as some of the same groups the author of the obama administration's commitment to transparency in
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a meeting that was closed to the public and the press want to talk about irony they're no longer feeling the open government. it seems like the obama administration is a little less for transparency and a little more for selective filtering shocker now so many complaints from open government advocates in reference to the obama administration's transparency include administration lawyers aggressively fighting requests it ministrations war on whistleblowers the justice department going after reporters over respect for sources and more fees for those seeking the release of information in the last months groups like the a.c.l.u. ammi epitaph of all filed lawsuits about new or exorbitant fees and the obama administration likes to point out any transparency successes that they might have so of course there's the release of white house visitor records the declassification of the bush era torture memos remember just a month after the bush era memos were released the obama administration shots everybody by refusing to release photos of the abuse of detainees at the hands of
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u.s. soldiers and when a solid lot of was killed they refused to release those photos as well both times public safety was cited as the reason so it seems like about restoration might have a different idea of what transparency actually means than the rest of us and actually this exchange between justice department lawyer anthony yang and justice antonin scalia seems to demonstrate that i don't support transparency at all when it comes to foreign requests. that. we do not embrace. well so the obama administration doesn't believe that exceptions to foil should be narrowly construed they've been explained with bees and all the pushback but anyway we hear the show fully support where requests we use information obtained through them nearly every day on the show and so since we announce that we're filing requests on me we've been getting
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a lot of are questions about how you actually go about finding requests and so the thing is it's pretty simple all you do is you go to w.w.w. . cuffe now once you're there you're going to see it all the way to the right that says learn and if you click on that tab you'll be taken to the foyer how site there they're going to find videos or other information that's going to help you on your way and on this page right here on the left hand side we're going to find out where to make it for a request and what's to click on that link to another page that lays out all of the agencies so you simply click on whatever agency you want so let's say we're going to go through apartment defense be quick on it and the next page is going to be a dropdown of all of the different agencies within the t.h.s. so you simply select the one that you might want there the next screen is going to let you know exactly who to send the requests to so that you just basically what you want released you said it and it's on its way and if you're planning on filing a request to multiple agencies that might be
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a little bit more work than you're bargaining for so there are websites out there that are designated to help you so you can go to get my f.b.i. file dot com that's a psycho walks you through filing a for you with different government agencies and even supply you with forms of request of the cia and n.s.a. and others but the bottom line is that the information is out there if you don't request it you won't receive it so request away and if the obama. administration sees fit you just might get a response. now there's a lot of focus these days on the ever increasing amounts that are spent on political campaigns the millions that are poured into television ads by candidates or super super pacs and while t.v. ads reach anyone in the area they might be sitting at home watching on their couch there is an entire world of micro targeting specific voters campaigns are going to send out e-mail blasts and while your husband your wife your sister brother whoever be each get an e-mail you might be asking for your money in different ways i got an e-mail from the obama administration pointing out the g.o.p.
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is war on women's health targeting planned parenthood and the like but how do you know that i care about topics like that television program where my opinions on a daily basis aside the email address that would give it away so let's talk about this fairly new and increasingly integrated world of voter targeting both democrats and republicans are trying to use to their advantage before the two thousand and twelve election just how much they know about you and i discussed with me a trait brewer chief strategy officer at fish and strategy thanks so much for joining us tonight. so basically can you give me a breakdown how is it exactly that they gather all this information on you clued ng i guess maybe what is it your voting history your nation history what your interests might be absolutely i mean the thing that makes companies like google and facebook worth literally hundreds of billions of dollars is the fact that they have all of this data on you about your usage of the internet whether you're a registered a facebook identified christian or muslim or whatever you are and all of the data
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is actually pretty easy to access for anybody who knows how to scrape a website or pull a data file in this kind of in the holy grail for about the last ten to fifteen years for political parties to actually get into this game and say we're going to make all of this part of how we target you and so the things you put on facebook are now allowing folks in chicago for the obama campaign to basically said you a different e-mail than we even though we might be literally sitting right. and actually each other in the same household we we don't but we may be sitting right next to there and actually get a different subject line a different body of an e-mail an appeal to you in totally different ways so it's largely basically your participation on the internet allows them to target you more effectively and how they're going to come at you with a fundraiser where you want to yet again you're saying all of our own fault and i've done it all i mean how we really it's you know it's a develop in the last couple years because you say they've been using it for maybe the last ten years fifteen years but since the two thousand and eight election you
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know i've read that not only has a lot changed but you have the obama administration coming up with this new program as they called. the white whale this is literally this has been the mythical struggle of all data for political campaigns for i mean going on two decades now and so for in two thousand and eight about as much as they could tell about you was where you live based on your zip code and anything that they could match your email address to which maybe your facebook profile or companies like property of or linked in have used this a lot to kind of say this is where else you are on the web and so you can do a little bit of that now what they're doing is integrating all of this if you don't need it during the two thousand and eight campaign and during the two thousand and ten campaign and what you ran you donated and which email you clicked on and what you who your friends are on facebook and how you interact with them and all of that now is integrated in this nor wall idea that harper reed and guys like michael slaby have been able to put together over the last year or so while republicans are battling it out in the states and this is all happening behind the scenes so in
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those innovative things maybe they can cross business or political campaigning and many years it's all very hush hush so i think we'll learn a lot more about it in december two thousand and twelve than we know right now in a sense that is the obama administration or the obama campaign i guess you could say compared to the way ahead you know republicans trying to develop these things he was a figure that they had to learn by now that part of what helped obama get elected in two thousand and eight was that he reached voters because they did so much of this online. right and that this is how they got more people involved that's right and in two thousand and ten i would say the pendulum actually swung back who were the advantage of the republicans so to those name was heavily favored in the democratic side with the obama campaign with one hundred twenty staff in the new media it seemed like just really blowing out of the water anything that had ever been done online the pendulum swung back and i think well all of the campaigns are developing you know romney and santorum and basically eating up all the staff behind all the scenes that's kind of what the bachmann campaign is working on is actually solving this problem that people want to solve for ten fifteen twenty
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years should we be concerned. ok so maybe there's a campaign that's compiling all this information like you said that your to put out there yourself so it isn't doing anything that it's not it is very legal but yet it's not who they are you know the same time if they have this this mythical project that combines it all into one place kind of like google's new privacy policy it would say could they sell that information to other people i think that's the big concern here is that it is not just the obama campaign i mean i think seabright really have the little entities that's really the campaigns themselves the d.n.c. are and see which are no really holding hundreds of millions of voter records that they can now integrate with all these other sets of data that are provided by all the things that you do online and that you do in all these other parts of your life so i think that's really where i think the concern is if it's worth that much for google and facebook hundreds of billions of dollars you can imagine how much would be worth to sell one hundred seventy million voter records by geography that already has really matter how they need that data they're not like they're not
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trying to make money from advertisers are they and they would be a massive violation of trust so i think you see a mass migration away from support of those parties if it was ever revealed and i think the social accountability here is the thing that we can rely most on because certainly if you just look at from a pop profit motive they would make a lot of money by selling your data but they would lose any ability to actually engage with you and have any kind of trusting relationship with you and i think that's really the thing that'll keep it any idea how much they actually spend trying to compile. all this information i don't personally know you know well if i don't know much. we found out a lot of december two thousand and eight that we did not know in october two thousand and eight and basically once the campaign was gone a lot was revealed about just how in doubt the robust internet team will be about my campaign was and i suspect that same thing will be true again. it's a crazy machine it's a work it is all going to have to wait but in the meantime word it all so i was. doing a lot of really are going to work on this. present there. are i want to make
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a correction quickly to something i said earlier in the week speaking with dennis trainer junior rider a video producer and host of akron t.v. about potential corporate sponsors for the occupy movement we describe the movement resource how we describe the group which is a five a one c three as being associated with the united decision i was wrong by the one c three pre-dated citizens united are barred from any involvement in electoral activity by the n.c. floors are the spawn of citizens united so that was our air and now we're going to take another break but when we come back you said i read it looked allegation and undocumented immigrants in the state of georgia are being denied an education after the state senate passed a law banning them and universities colleges and typos schools will speak and professor and student from freedom university are fighting back.
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