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but can they learn a show or get the real headlines with none of the mercy or come alive to washington d.c. now tonight we're going to take a look at the moves towards u.s. involvement in syria mccain is calling for airstrikes defense secretary leon panetta while warning because unilateral action is not a plan hasn't ruled out military action altogether then aside from spending millions putting out t.v. ads campaigns also spent a lot of time and money learning about their possible voters a real look at just how much campaigns know about you and a bill is working its way through the georgia legislature to bar undocumented
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students from all of the state universities so we're going to learn about one underground university where professors volunteer to give everyone the education that they deserve or have all that morphy tonight putting a dose of happy hour but first let's take a look at the mainstream media has decided to miss. all right so after super tuesday the day of news on wednesday is usually pretty boring the mainstream media just spends hours and hours hashing over the results and what they might mean. publicans racism burpee is definitely a split decision on super tuesday that romney taking six states including the big prize ohio that both are in and what the jury sure is still out barely one percentage point separates romney from rick santorum in ohio we had about a million votes cast and there was about a twelve thousand vote difference between romney and santorum no knockout punch mitt romney narrowly avoids a super tuesday catastrophe romney continues to struggle with the same parts of the
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party he has struggled with the entire campaign for conservatives and southern conservatives rick santorum continues to sew strength among conservative voters to tennessee to inform romney's by nearly double digits mitt romney as you probably know winning six of ten contests but he could not deliver a knockout punch no knockout punch in super tuesday as race is all of romney's rivals are still around all four of these candidates say that they are very much still in it to when it what we ought to take away from last night is how extraordinary it was that an absolute majority of the delegates needed up and put in the pocket of mitt romney i don't know how romney's deny the nomination and i don't know how he clinches it. now there was a brief moment of that by the super tuesday result covered stopped for a very important press conference and no one in the president's press conference now is yesterday guys today with another incredibly important leader. peyton manning and the indianapolis colts one of the greatest shows it and it will history
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ending after fourteen years and the super bowl championship we are seconds away from what could be the end of an era in professional football culture owner jim irsay is expected to announce that he's releasing the poor time m.v.p. quarterback this essentially is a business decision for superstar quarterback peyton manning the fourth time m.v.p. winner peyton manning in the indianapolis colts divorced the team reportedly releasing him to avoid at least in part twenty eight million dollars bonus. yeah that's right the hard hitting cable news channels out there took some time out of the political horse race to talk about peyton manning's departure from the colts i don't get me wrong i know that football is a big deal for americans but keep in mind we have entire sports channels dedicated to covering sports just like we have entire channels dedicated to covering entertainment which is another area of mainstream media just can't help but try to tackle it but if you want to spend some time on peyton manning today i suggest you
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pay a little attention to another man a lot of bradley manning yes that's the young army private who the government is charging with leaking hundreds of thousands of classified documents to wiki leaks now this point the preparations for the grand jury are well underway let's not forget what it took to get here and saw forget that for eight months of bradley manning was held a quantico before ever seeing a day in court he was held in solitary confinement at some points he was forced to strip he was deprived of sleep when someone had to check in on him frequently and the conditions of his confinement were considered tantamount to torture by legal scholars by human rights organizations the top newspapers around the country all editorialized against his treatment and yesterday one mendez the un special rapporteur on torture said at the human rights council meeting in geneva that bradley manning was subjected to cruel inhuman and degrading treatment in the excessive and pro longer isolation that he was subjected to and he also rejected the way in which the obama administration tried to defend his condition so the
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explanation he was given for these eight months was not convincing to him it's not forget the one mendez i've been trying to me for months with bradley manning to get access to interview him one on one and this administration refused so if they were so sure of the way they were holding manning was no problem at all why wouldn't they let the u.n. official me with him it's really inexcusable especially if you consider that when greenwald pointed out today that even the bush administration had allowed investigators with the international committee of the red cross to have interviews with. high value detainees at guantanamo bay that was of course after they had been transferred cia black sites but they were allowed to meet with them no less so what possible excuse could there be for denying one that has access to bradley manning this is the way that our government is chosen to function this by all the talk of transparency and of holding the rule of law and now this is what's being discussed at the un human rights council but of course there has been a peep in the mainstream media about this peyton manning is
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a football hero but bradley manning an army private who was subjected to cruel inhumane and degrading treatment by his own government is someone that they choose to miss. well looks like some kind of u.s. action is taking shape on syria violence continues and an estimated seventy five hundred people have been killed senior obama administration officials are finalizing a package of options for aiding both the internal and external syrian opposition and that's according to foreign policy's the cable and this includes providing direct humanitarian and communications assistance but stop short of direct military assistance that stop might be a quick one though testifying before the senate armed services committee defense secretary leon panetta ruled out unilateral military action but not military action well together. we are reviewing all possible additional steps that
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can be taken with our international partners to support the efforts to protect the syrian people to end the violence and ensure regional stability including potential military options if necessary. so should we get ready to say hello to u.s. involvement in yet another conflict in the middle east joining me to discuss it is jack rice former cia officer and criminal defense attorney jack thanks so much for joining us now of course we have the john mccains of the bunch that are calling for not only direct u.s. involvement they want u.s. airstrikes but at the same time if we listen to you we are panetta if we listen to the president if we listen to martin dempsey does it sound like the military officials are at least trying to urge some kind of caution although still leaving the door open oh absolutely i mean president obama just came out within the last forty eight hours really to all of the republican candidates saying you guys need
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to pull back here you need to pull back and hold on everybody's beat the drums on this it's not just the likes of john mccain but lindsey graham has done this lieberman has come out in favor of this i think part of the problem right now is that there are others who are looking to the same thing and you're and then you have the other side of the coin right now including to turks and others around you are trying to say can we find some middle ground either some peace corridors so humanitarian aid or even more but this is starting to sound like what we saw with libya earlier are in so there are diplomatic options as you mentioned that people are looking for but one of the other things that leon panetta said was that we need to have a clear legal basis for any action that's taken and so in a situation like this what exactly would be the legal basis because with libya we saw a u.n. security council resolution here there is not consensus with the u.n. security council as we saw with russia and china saying no the first time around so then what other venues are there. well that's actually the point and you know what
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that's really good christine part because what leon panetta was talking about we're going seeing this from the president is before they would go to the u.n. security council which is what they were able to do in libya hence they got that germans they got the french they got the brits the italians others were really involved in terms of the issues because they don't have that right now i think the angle they're trying they're going they very likely will take is something more like crimes against humanity going to hague some other option aaron saying we're going to go in simply to protect civilians and it's absolutely true that there are civilians that have been killed at least it appears by large numbers nobody even knows they can't even get into some of the towns and the syrian military is actually going towards others as well so my expectation is it will become a question of protecting civilians rather than a unilateral approach or even something we're finding from the u.n. because let's face it the russians and the chinese are really holding out on it still although the russians are starting to turn
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a little bit. i was and that's why putin also was. opposing calls or i guess you could say statements that people were making that assad my have exile in russia and saying that that is not by any means true but what about this package that a public supposedly there are in working out right within the obama administration what they're saying here is that they are not working with the free syrian army they're working with the syrian national council and so how can we look at these two different. different groups the different factions that are there boy those that really great question because believe it or not i keep coming back to libya because this was the very same problem that the americans and the europeans had is that we didn't know who all of these various groups are there's at least ten right now who are essentially anti syrian and just to just sort of give you a sense of what this means is this could be those who have been tortures and tortured fight against the syrians that's true but this also is
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a life so as in the head of al qaeda are already saying that they are against the syrians as well and so what you have is this very muddled question as to who these people are and if you start talking about protecting them or providing support to them do you provide simply humanitarian support or do you start providing arms and if you provide arms are we turning this into another afghanistan if we're thinking about dean and others right now even in libya that question is still out there where libya started to break into pieces and there's arms that have gone all over the place are we going to see the same thing happen in syria that's really i think what your body administration rightfully is concerned about because of the instability to that because exactly who ends up with those arms well it's interesting because if you listen to john mccain who clearly there is not consensus amongst the republican leadership on his idea for u.s. airstrikes right now either he had multiple times within these hearings today went back to the clinton administration and tried to remind everybody of what happened
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and. osmium and use that as an example of why the us shouldn't launch air strikes in syria now what do you think about that comparison actually i thought it was a fascinating argument you're making against obama because if we think about what happened with president clinton and he was really working very closely with tony blair the prime minister of great britain on this issue and what tony blair called this was muscular humanitarianism i mean that's what he was talking about in kosovo and bosnia and he's done this also in africa where the idea of coming in because of humanitarian crises the willingness to almost unilaterally come in and if you can't get an international agreement and you can't get everybody in the room you do sort of what we did in iraq where you get the leading countries of the world and those can sometimes be you know well salvageable you know where you can get three guys from here and so you send out a couple of dogs you can and you can have their flood running too are we going to see that i think we're starting to see an effort to sort of cobble together
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a large group of nations who could say this is an international consensus when in fact i don't think we have that now you know we don't have a consensus here in the united states let alone anywhere else in the world now as their way to you think that you can look at what's going on here and try to find the obama administration's foreign policy or really put a word to use an explanation for it right because on one hand we're supposed to be wars the troops are gone from iraq afghanistan is winding down but then we also had an eight month campaign in libya now it looks like there's going to be some kind of involvement here and who knows all too often i think that these things end up and being in regime change because once you start it where does it go next not to mention iran talk is everywhere. oh you're absolutely right i think that's actually the fear here and you know it you and i have talked about this and one of the things that i think our biggest problem is we have this really terrible history in the region where we claim that we're there for the good of the people of whatever country it is we're about to invade and we will either do that or we will force was
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a new regime change as we have in iran back in the fifty's and elsewhere and so everybody will look at it and they will question what it is that we have to say because we have shown essentially that we lied to them on a regular basis i'm simply being honest about it and what we're seeing right now with the syrians is even if we say we're there for the humanitarian good of the people there's a lot of reason and a lot of distrust in the region were guarding what it is we say we're says what it is we're actually trying to do well on that note let me just ask you quickly how much you think that some of the calls for intervention here might have to deal with iran because we even heard from general mattis say that this could be the biggest blow to iran in twenty five year is if assad is taken out well i think if there is something today you can take a look at what it is that the americans have already done it again i don't see this from my perspective as it is an american bashing conversation it's simply not but we've got it consider the context of where the iranians are here and i think about this from my perspective what i was close to the iranian border when i was in iraq
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and then i was close to the iranian border when i was in afghanistan and in fact we have a picture movement going against that we are surrounding them in almost every single way and i think there's an interest in the americans to be in places like bondsteel in khost kosovo the being in turkey right on the turkish iraqi border to being in iraq today you know in afghanistan to being in in this case syria yeah i think there's a lot of people are starting to wonder is this just the next great adventure is this just one work country sort of in the long domino of countries that we've already seen who rolled in and out of or rolled in and stayed in i should say. our jack i want to thank you so much for joining us tonight and you know with all the talk that's going on and looks like this might even come faster or before anything with with iran does there's always a little too much going on thanks my feet are on. i still to come tonight it's not just google the government that are collecting your personal information to feel bamma campaign as well so we look at how campaigns across the country are using
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your personal information for political gain from a comeback. people calling like you said for free and fair elections. and we're still reporting from the it's about clinton as you can hear behind me loud explosions. in the. t.v. . you
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know sometimes you see a story and it seems so for like sleep you think you understand it and then you limp something else and you hear or see some other part of it and realize that everything you thought you knew you don't know i'm sorry welcome to the big picture .
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of rock obama started his presidency with promises of transparency i knew way of doing things in washington right now with his speech that he made during his first full day in the white house regarding freedom of information act requests. the directives i am giving my administration today on how to interpret the freedom of information act will do just that for a long time now there's been too much secrecy in the city the old rules said that if there was a defensible argument for not disclosing something to the american people that it should not be just. that era is now over. well fast forward now critics are claiming that the obama administration is the worst in the years when it comes to fulfilling freedom of information act requests as some of the same groups that are under the obama administration's commitment to transparency in
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a meeting that was closed to the public and the press want to talk about irony they're no longer feeling the open. it seems like the obama administration is a little less for transparency and a little more for selective filtering shocker now so many complaints from open government advocates in reference to the obama administration's transparency include administration lawyers aggressively fighting requests it ministrations war on whistleblowers the justice department going after reporters over research over sources and more fees for those seeking the release of information in the last month groups like the a.c.l.u. and the f.-f. of all filed lawsuits about new or exorbitant fees of the obama administration likes to point out any transparency successes that they might have so of course there's the release of white house visitor records but he classification of the bush era torture memos but remember just a month after the bush era memos were released the obama administration shocked everybody by refusing to release photos of the abuse of detainees at the hands of
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u.s. soldiers and when a solid lot of was killed they refused to release those photos as well both times public safety was cited as the reason so it seems like the obama administration might have a different idea of what transparency actually means than the rest of us and actually this exchange between justice department lawyer anthony yang and justice antonin scalia seems to demonstrate that you don't support transparency at all when it comes to foreign requests. let me give you one. exception. we do not embrace crucible. so the obama administration doesn't believe that exceptions for four years should be narrowly construed maybe that explains would be that and all the pushback but anyway we hear of the show police report where requests we was information obtained through them nearly every day on the show and so since we announced that we're filing requests on me we've been getting
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a lot of questions about how you actually go about filing requests and so the thing is it's pretty simple all you do is you go to w.w.w. . now once you're there you're going to see a tab all the way to the right that says learn and if you click on that have you'll be taken to the phoria how site there they're going to find videos or other information that's going to help you on your way and on this page right here on the left hand side you're going to find out where to make if for a request now once you click on that link or change into another page that lays out all of the agencies so you simply click on whatever agency you want so let's say we're going to go with their partner defense you click on it and the next page is going to be a dropdown of all the different agencies within the t.h.s. so you simply select the one that you might want there the next screen is going to let you know exactly who to send the requests to so then you just basically write out what you want released he said and it's on its way and if you're planning on filing requests to multiple agencies that might be a little bit more work than you're bargaining for so there are websites out there
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that are designated to help you so you can go to get my f.b.i. file dot com that's a site that walks you through filing a fire with different government agencies and will even supply you with forms of request of the cia and n.s.a. and others but the bottom line is that the information is out there if you don't request it he won't receive it so request away and if the obama in the spirit of fifty obama administration sees fit you just might get a response. now there's a lot of focus these days on the ever increasing amounts that are spent on political campaigns the millions that are poured into television ads by candidates or super super pacs a lot he adds reach anyone in the area that might be sitting at home watching on their couch there is an entire world of micro-targeting to specific voters campaigns are going to send out e-mail blasts and all you when your husband or wife or sister or brother whoever may each get an e-mail you might be asking for your money in different ways i got an e-mail from the obama administration pointing out
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the g.o.p. is war on women's health targeting planned parenthood and the like but how do you know that i care about topics like that television program where my opinions on a daily basis aside the email address that wouldn't give it away so let's talk about this fairly new and increasingly integrated world of voter targeting both democrats and republicans are trying to use to their advantage before the two thousand and twelve election just how much they know about you and i discussed it with me and through a chief strategy officer at fish and strategy thanks so much for joining us tonight it's always so basically can you give me a breakdown how is it exactly that they gather all this information on you clue being i guess maybe what is your voting history your donation history what your interests might be absolutely i mean the thing that makes companies like google and facebook worth literally hundreds of billions of dollars is the fact that they have all of this data on you about your usage of the internet whether you're a registered registered a facebook identified christian or muslim or whatever you are and all of that data
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is actually pretty easy to access for anybody who knows how to scrape a website or to pull a data file in the senate or the holy grail for about the last ten to fifteen years for political parties actually get into this game and say we're going to make all of this part of how we target you and so the things you put on facebook are now allowing folks in chicago for the obama campaign to basically said you a different e-mail than we even though we might be literally sitting. and actually each other in the same household we don't but we may be sitting right next to there and actually get a different subject line a different body of an email an appeal to you in totally different ways so it's largely basically your participation on the internet allows them to target you war effectively and how they're going to come at you with a fundraiser where what yet again is you're saying all of our own fault i've got it all right which is most amazing how we're going to. develop in the last couple years because you say they've been using it for maybe the last ten years to fifteen years but since the two thousand and eight election you know i've read that not
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only has law changed but you have the obama administration coming up with this new program was it calls. tell us about the white whale this is literally this has been the mythical struggle of all data for political campaigns for i mean going on two decades now and so for in two thousand and eight about as much as they could tell about you was where you live based on your zip code and anything that they could match your email address to which maybe your facebook profile or companies are property of or linked in have used this a lot to kind of say this is where else you are on the web and so you could do a little bit of that now what they're doing is integrating all of this if you don't need it during the two thousand and eight campaign and during the two thousand and ten campaign and what you when you donated and which e-mail you clicked on and what you who your friends are and facebook and how you interact with them all of that now is integrated into this nor wall idea that harper reed and guys like michael slaby have been able to put together over the last year or so while republicans are battling it out in the states and this is all happening behind the scenes some of
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those innovative things maybe they can cross business or political campaigning and in many years it's all very hush hush so i think we'll learn a lot more about it in december two thousand and twelve than we know right now but in a sense that is the obama administration or the obama campaign i guess you could say compared to get way ahead you know republicans trying to develop these things to a figure that they had to learn by now that part of what helped obama get elected in two thousand and eight was that he reached young voters because they did so much of this. lie. this is how they got more people all this year and in two thousand and ten i would say the pendulum actually swung back to or the advantage of the republicans so to those name was heavily favored in the democratic side with the obama campaign with one hundred twenty staff and a new media team were just really blowing out of the water anything that had ever been done online the pendulum swung back and i think well all the campaigns are developing you know romney and santorum and basically eating up all that stuff behind all the scenes that's kind of what the obama campaign is working on is actually solving the problem of people who want to solve for and fifteen twenty
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years should we be concerned at all ok so maybe there's a campaign that's compiling all this information like you said you were to put out there yourself so it doesn't seem like you're doing anything that it is very legal there yet it's not too late or you know that the same time if they have this this mythical and project that combines it all into one place kind of like google's new privacy policy you could say could they sell that information to other people i think that's the big concern here is that it is not just the obama campaign i mean i think the ion see the really of the political entities it's really not the campaigns themselves it's the d.n.c. and r. and c. which are no really holding hundreds of millions of voter records that they can now integrate with all these other sets of data that are provided by all the things that you do online and that you do in all these other parts of your life so i think that's really where i think the concern is if it's worth that much for google and facebook hundreds of billions of dollars you can imagine how much would be worth to sell one hundred seventy million voter records by geography that it was really a matter of having that they don't like being out there trying to make money from
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advertisers are they would be a massive violation of trust so i think you would see a mass migration away from support of those parties if it was ever revealed and i think the social accountability here is the thing that we can rely most on because certainly if you just look at from a profit motive they would make a lot of money by selling your data but they would lose any ability to actually engage with you and have any kind of trusting relationship with you and i think that's really the thing that will keep it any idea how much they actually spend trying to compile. all this information i don't personally at all if i don't know much. and you found out a lot in december two thousand and eight that we did not know in october two thousand and basically once the campaign was gone a lot was revealed about just how robust the internet team of the obama campaign was and i suspect that's the thing which are again. it's a crazy machine so we're against going to have to wait but in the meantime we're it all is i was i refused our fault so yeah it's right yes eisenberg is doing a lot of really good work on this. place for much for joining us there. are i want
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to make a correction quickly to something that i said earlier in the week speaking with dennis trainer junior rider a video producer and host of acronyms t.v. about potential corporate sponsors for the occupy movement we describe the movement resource we describe the group which is a five a one c three as being associated with this is the sims united decision i was wrong five one c three pre-dated citizens united are barred from any involvement in electoral activity by the ones before the spawn of citizens united so that was our air and now we're going to take another break but when we come back you said and i read it look out edition and undocumented immigrants in the state of georgia are being denied an education after the state senate passed a law banning the universities colleges and technical schools will speak with a professor and student of universities that are fighting back.

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