there is artsy live from moscow our top stories shadowy voices in syria are stepping up calls to continue an all out bloody war against the regime this was an international envoy kofi annan seeks to negotiate peace talks between the government and opposition. israel has asked the u.s. for blasphemes that could be crucial in an attack on iran's underground nuclear facilities but america's defense secretary a stress u.s. strike would be much more effective and admitted military action is not off the

table if diplomacy fell. and greece is finally agreed to deal with private investors which quite a while wait to stave off a default on its debts however of soaring suicide rate the highest in europe suggests the public is already struggling to deal with the level of costs. coming out peter the valen his gas scales how u.s. republican party candidate can rival barack obama for the presidency and the upcoming election in crosstalk. hello and welcome to crossfire crime futile is the republican party on a long death march to november it is very likely former massachusetts governor mitt romney will eventually capture the party's nomination but does he have what it

takes to unseat obama in the general election. if he can. start. to cross out the prospects of the republican party just months before the election i'm joined by andrew hardisty here in the studio he is chair of democrats abroad in russia and atlanta we have amy kramer she is chairman of the tea party express and co-founder of american grassroots coalition and also in atlanta we have laura bramble she is a freelance writer and blogger all right cross talk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want amy if i can go to you first in atlanta mitt romney he see is there seems to be an inevitability about the man but there's things stand right now is the electable you know i hear you use the word and have a have that ability but i don't see it that way i mean we are only a third of the delegates have been awarded there this is still an ongoing process and anything can happen we've seen all of these candidates rise up and fall and you

know the people have a voice with their vote and so i just don't see that we already have a nominee. and laura if i can go to you i mean i think the numbers the numbers are out there i mean the numbers seem to this say a lot about you know which states we're going to have as the process continues and mitt romney has a much better chance he's he's not is conservative and he's going into some progressive areas. well i think it's very interesting that when you look at super tuesday most of the states that one mitt romney carried were states that traditionally lean more toward a liberal and you know what rick santorum and newt gingrich carried conservative states and i think what that gives an indication of is that those middle voters that swing vote in america would be more likely to accept mitt romney then they would either santorum or newt gingrich plus if you look on their web sites mitt

romney really doesn't get into social issues as much as the other two candidates do and they make a very strong position about things such as religion and abortion where mitt romney stays more on issues such as the economy on trade and those type issues that i think are a little more last controversy or not ok you know we're going international force in a second and in the studio with me here mr obama mr obama must be quite pleased if he were to ask if you'd like to give money to what mr obama then he'd be very happy if you gave it to mr romney and possibly possibly but of course we're sitting here as as a democrat and we are sitting over here i am sitting over here and somewhat amused by this it's going it's seems to not generate any enthusiasm on the parts of the middle the middle part of the spectrum the people who are the swing voters who obama's going to have to recapture if he's going to

win in november and seeing this grow rolling towards the right is certainly giving us a little bit of. a term so yes there is a little bit of. maybe. distracted interest on our part well ok if i go back to you it seems to me that you know is it that the republican party is basically in self-destruct mode right now santorum and newt gingrich i mean i don't see how the math isn't out there for them but they're going to stick it out i mean why are they doing that they really believe that they can capture the nomination or so just to just to go after mitt romney keep the process going maybe they just want to keep raising money because they do have donors i mean what's the point i mean because it just continues to fracture the party when the party now more than ever needs to be unified because right now mr obama is pretty sitting pretty well for i want to go back to something more i said about. about the social issues and the

fiscal issues every one of these candidates need to stay on the fiscal issues because that is what all americans care about right now all this other stuff it doesn't really matter we want to stay focused on the right thing i mean amiable explained to me time explain to me that i explain to me why someone like rick santorum does go to that goes to the cultural wars i think we all know you everyone knows what i mean by this because that is totally self destructive for the republican party ok and obama is going to be loving it because the republicans more than more than the democrats divide themselves on cultural issues i mean what is centaur i'm doing this because that's the only way he'll attract voters. so what we tell you something peter i agree with you it is not good great for us to focus on that right now recently i had a social conservative radio talk show host say to me any we feel like the tea party is kicking a social conservatives to the curb and you need us and i said you're right we do need you but we also need those independents and moderates to defeat president

obama and so if we go to the right and start pulling and focusing on the social issues then we're going to alienate those people that's why the tea party movement has been so effective because we have stayed focused on the fiscal issues it is not anything out of the ordinary or radical to what washington to live within their means and balance their budget and many democrats and independents agree with that and that's why we have been so successful so these these candidates need to stay away from these social issues we need to focus on what is going on right now with our economy with gas prices with jobs it's all about jobs jobs jobs and this whole thing about contraception it's not really about the case and it's about religious freedom there are going to the mud because they're walking right into the trap ok laura jump in peter if i may i think the reason why they are really highlighting these social issues is because they're hot button issues they get people passionate and they're getting people passionate and talking about what really is

a field of pretty lackluster republican candidates i mean mitt romney nobody was excited about him in two thousand and eight and here he is again in people and he hasn't really done anything in the intervening four years that is really gotten people excited about him so you have these other people that are almost it's almost like they're a sideshow just to keep people looking at the republican nomination because i think if it were just a run away with mitt romney people would just be snorri laura i want to stay with you on my audience across talks audience is international so can you explain why we have such a lackluster field because the republicans have more money even god but they can't produce anyone that is even mildly attractive i mean obama looks like a rock star next to these guys. i think a lot of the really strong viable republican candidates are waiting for the next election cycle i think twenty sixteen you're going to be see some really good candidates but right now the economy is such

a mess that no matter who is elected in two thousand and twelve is going to have a very hard fight on their hands and could be committing political suicide for any future. missions for themselves so i think a lot of smart potential candidates are just staying out of it because of that i really i think mitt romney is in it just to be in it i don't really unless the republicans can really get their act together get you know if i work out a medium between the social conservatives in their party and the moderates in their party we're going to see obama go to washington again ok. you know listening to all of that here i mean i mean it's interesting what we've heard i mean with the lack of viable candidates because when we look at some of these like newt gingrich and mr santorum in the they really do play to pander to these these issues that really i agree with laura i mean they get people tashan it ok but it's

not electability i mean you're actually speaking to people who are already convinced about certain social issues if they're issues and not candidates when i can issues in candidates to really connect a. degree and as a matter of fact i didn't feel they need any point even jump in and discuss this is they're both doing a pretty good job of explaining the lack of the lack of enthusiasm people have for their own candidates on the one point that i would say everybody wants to. me is that a couple times focus on the economy focus on the economy the economy is a mess it's. again it's worth noting that the economy is picking up there is an optic this we. know it's going to disagree with you there i mean but we have sixteen trillion dollars and that is the economy is not recovering sixteen troll. dollars and that is not acceptable we have to stop this i don't want you i don't want you i do it for free for you right here is it also when i look at the kind of jobs that are being created in the united states i mean that you know i'm a fast food jobs and and you know teachers assistants i mean that's that's not

growing the economy there amy you want to you want to keep going and then i'll go to laura. well you know i just want to say that i believe and i know many people believe that you know we may not have a ronald reagan running that truly excites and energizes the base right now any of these republican candidates i believe will be better than president obama because they understand that we have to stop the spending we cannot spend our way into prosperity or spend our way out of debt and they understand that and they also understand that the majority of americans want to repeal obamacare and if we don't repeal obamacare it's twenty thirteen it will never really be repealed but obamacare obamacare controls one sixth of our economy we can't afford it they're already getting rid of parts of it because it's just not sustainable and you can't do it you have just recently you know the democrats are saying the republicans want to kill grandma they want to push her over the cliff well no we don't want to do

that we want to take care of our seniors but the fact of the matter is that with the passage of obamacare it took five hundred seventy five billion dollars out of medicare reallocated it to cover the middle class as part of obamacare and we have baby boomers entering the medicare rolls on average of ten thousand per day it's not sustainable we can't continue down this road and the medicare trustees issued a report last may and said if medicare is not reforms that it will go bankrupt in twenty twenty four all right oh you know what i mean i want to go to florida we go to the break here ok but it looks amy's right ok but it's still not energizing enough people to go out and get politically involved because i mean the republican republicans are getting more and more divided not united i mean as we continue with these primaries. well because one of the things if you they did surveys after obamacare was passed if you took away the title of obamacare and took the the main

contentions in that bill piece by piece over two thirds of americans were in favor of them but you slap the title obamacare on it and then that dropped to closer to fifty percent so it was all perception it was anti obama it more than anti bill also too i find it very ironic that the republican party of all people should be talking about fiscal responsibility and spending money that they don't have when we are just finishing up a war that we've been in for ten years that basically was paid for completely ok i am going to jump in here i'm going to go right back at you after the break and after the break we'll continue our discussion of the republican party state.

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welcome back across town people about to mind you we're talking about what awaits the republican party. can. live. ok a lot of like to go back to you in atlanta because i think you brought up one of the most interesting points of this program so far is it you know people talk about fiscal responsibility i don't see anybody in washington d.c. i don't care what party it is take physical responsibility very seriously because well this is another drumbeat of war ok we decide another war around the corner constantly and that is that a way to to mend the economy ok anything but the military i mean that's one thing the republicans the democrats and that nothing really separates them on that issue . well i don't necessarily i think they just have to different focuses they both love to waste money. you could argue that the democrats waste money on social programs you could argue that the republicans waste money on defense spending you

know they were going on and on the g.o.p. about the one trillion dollar cost of the health care bill yet the combined cost of the iran and iraq war the iraq war and the afghanistan wars is going to be in the neighborhood of three trillion dollars which you know we don't have the money to help provide health care for our people but we have money to basically destroy and then rebuild another country i don't find that to be a very satisfying argument when it comes to you know candidates stumping on fiscal responsibility and then you have three candidates who there to varying degrees are all hawkish you know you have rick santorum talking about wanting to eradicate communism from cuba and then go in and bomb iran to get really. nine hundred forty two candidates ok i mean he would he i somehow or might have liked him very much andrew thank you here we talked a little bit before the program mean it's interesting is that obama is really

placed himself as a high as well as a foreign policy tough guy because a lot of people always thought he would be weak on that get it some jobs growing and you know get some kind of confidence in the economy that's his strategy because he's very much like him this is my opinion very much like the republican george w. bush in terms of foreign policy there are no significant changes. republicans as a party and the democrats as the mommy party and that kind of thing but obviously his foreign policy is really pretty much an ocular to themselves against charges of being weak we're wishy washy on any potential enemies although of certainly has made clear differentiation in his relationship to any possible attacks on iran and he's going to do the right thing here and he's. when to let the canonic sanctions work and see what will be the result of that not putting any fiery a responsible in my opinion speech is in in any of the it was at the apac

recent point so again yes he has done a good job on that and in my opinion or at least politically he's insulated himself from possible tax there and again the economy is starting to wear to take up and we're getting some jobs growth and we are getting we are getting a hiring going on the automobile industry which was so trashed i wanted to be you which the other candidates were so willing to say go to the wall is a recovering strongly so there's no guarantee there but things are looking up and if that continues on that trajectory there's you know there's not going to be any reason for the american people to choose otherwise and that's where he's finding himself in this position and his concerns i'm serious concerns you know the spending and what have you yes we do have a large deficit yes that is one of the things that you do when you're facing an economic slowdown we can look at japan from the ninety's we can look at the u.k. right now with the cameron government slash and slash and slash they have not even returned to their pre pre recession levels of economic activity whereas the united states has so if you can look at the facts then once we do have

a solid recovery moving forward then of course we do and now everybody understands we need to attack the spending and we need to get that under control first you've got to get things growing you could you agree with that amy there. well i want to i mean i have to say the republicans i mean the spending started under george bush everybody always says where was the tea party movement during the bush years wall it was starting to brew it's not like somebody just clicked their heels together like dorothy and said there's a tea party the it was the anger was there it was starting to brew and they were saying tele had a platform no one else had he would fire but listen you know everybody wants to blame it on bush and one thing i'll say is bush didn't do it all in self and neither has president obama i mean it takes congress for them to spend money and so it is our entire federal government but look you know obama has i thinks tripled the amount of money that bush spent in eight years already he's done that and the thing is nobody talks about the first two years of president obama's administration

he had a democratic controlled congress and a democratic controlled senate he could have gotten anything he threw he wanted to and he didn't instead focused on was passing obamacare and wait let me finish the other thing is you know what we have the best health care system in the world people cross our borders every single day legally and illegally here for an hour if you leave your little here thank you and so when i. am going let me that that illegal or not i need to enforce our health lawyer says you don't look at studies not. even initial look at recent times eternally former health care system health care insurance in. america rachel ray who are now and we are here in the break you know ok go ahead we're barely in the top ten health care programs in terms of effectiveness of developed countries the quote unquote socialist countries in europe have better standards of health care than we do. this

is the united states rob rob you know you they're all grassley thank you anyway. you're going to bring in now way because it is not serial that's ok and you're going to get it going to the studio ladies please i'm going to andrew it is true ok all right all right daryn ok and one of the thing i'm very i always go further than what gloria with saying is that i still think it's a very much corporately driven entire political system here it's really you know it's hands on how much money you can and you cannot raise and that's what a pall of political situation is like right now you're going to see obama he's going to get a lot of fund raising and we have the republicans saying the same thing i mean and thing is that there's no fiscal responsibility because most of the governance is for me not for the people differ from corporations and i think that applies to the democrats as well it doesn't actually result they want their programs they don't pay out ok good i mean long as they get laura you bring up a good point i mean that's that really works a hand in the glove isn't it they want these programs and you have corporations

that are making an enormous amount of money off the taxpayer i want to hear in the studio right now we want this this probably goes back a again into into regulation and the ability of course to properly regulate and manage this economy the group the republicans have been going on and on and on about of course here is the spending chop spending cuts spending caps then and chuck regulation shopper delusions but what happened and we saw it from the from the from the crisis the economic crisis that it is improperly regulated banks improperly regulated systems don't function well and just leaving everything all to the market is not the way forward if you look at just our neighbor to the north canada which had a very well regulated financial system and to banks that are just too big to fail they were able to live through this entire crisis without any of the problems that we were actually facing now as concerns of course you were saying the money the money the money in this is part of the regulation thing or of course a lot of corporations they want to invest and they want to support candidates that are going to have

a hands are they were touring all they're going to support them we're going to support them. that's what it's all there's going to do about the economy it has nothing to do about creating jobs it is nothing about creating a better society it's all it's about profit profits in profit and don't forget the supreme court has given them equal rights to american citizen yes ok well it's really quite extraordinary ok it's quite extraordinary amy what do you think about that i mean it's really kind of a systemic problem because i think you know again i want to make sure everyone understands we have an international audience on this program here what is the difference between a republican a democrat in this election well look i would i would even go further than that but one thing we've learned over the past three years that's the core of this party movement is that just because you're a republican does not mean you're conservative and that's one thing i want everybody to understand is that i'm conservative first and that's what the people in this movement are there were fiscal conservatives we don't all agree on the social issues and one of the biggest problems the movement was born out of people

being frustrated and angry with both political parties the democrats and the republican party but it specially the republican party because they got away from their conservative principles and values and so they're very angry at the republican party and i think that's why you have people that you know just are not energized and excited about this election because they don't see these candidates is true constitutional conservatives ok laura so far you just think you know the war is going to ask you guys and split ok let me ask you a question of ninety percent of the money goes into the ads on television the republicans are spending money on ninety percent of them are super negative ok how can you unify a party that is so negative on itself ok i mean can the republican party mend itself i mean mitt romney just is doesn't you know the word charisma doesn't come to my mind ok but i don't live in the states so maybe i would feel differently by you saw more of him ok i mean think of. ok but i mean can the can the republican party mended self with ninety percent of the ads being really

negative. well once you get done trashing each other and throwing seeds of doubt it does make it difficult to unify at a later point but one of the things that has been a hallmark of the republican party is they unify via fear they find a particular issue whether it's gay marriage whether it's terrorism whether it's communism whether it's civil rights and they unify under that as as their own breland fear do sure and get people all riled up that if you don't vote for a republican candidate it's going to be the end of the world we're going to become a communist socialist terrorist you know whatever society gay society and you know it's it doesn't surprise me that that there is such a prevalence of attack attack ads because it's sowing the seeds of doubt and fear and i think that was the thing that resonated so strongly with people about obama is that it was optimism yes we can not not anything negative not

reactionary but affirming proactive positive and you know i think that once once everybody on the republican ticket has finished knocking each other down i think if obama returns to that. optimism and manages to back it up with ok these are things that i have achieved or that we have achieved as a nation since i've taken office i think that can carry him because people get tired of negativity people get tired of being angry when he or she started hannity it changes it or i don't he hasn't achieved anything really i mean i'd leave that to the right thing lee he's done nothing if you're not also here other than fact and you don't know that i have to break it up in atlanta. and here in the studio and thank your viewers for watching this year ok see you next summer never asked.

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