tv [untitled] March 9, 2012 11:30pm-12:00am EST
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this isn't like the boom of the one nine hundred fifty s. this is pretty good take a look at this at this chart the looks less where's the chart it's on there ok you see it over there in the graph right there. the red is the bush administration the blues the obama administration this is private sector job growth and it's not just looking like a bikini any more it's certain look like a mountain so how can republicans say that the stimulus package didn't work and does some good economic news mean that the republicans are going to start yelling about abortion and guns and gays because. well tom i don't think the economy is nearly as good as these numbers would have us believe i would say the government's cooking its books they are completely removing people who aren't even looking for jobs these are not numbers from the administration these are numbers from from like the convict congressional budget office with the other agencies that are not hard as we'll wait a minute i think this is a little bit of sleight of hand even for governmental accounting ok and i would
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challenge these numbers but i think they're using the same standards that every president has used when it comes to job creation but i think you're partially right there's two layers to be economic recovery there's the first layer which optically good how many jobs are created in the unemployment rate and that connects with low information voters they say oh well the economy's getting better and that hurts republican politicians who want to connect with them and blame obama or the president obama for the bad economy but there's a whole nother level where the economy really isn't doing so well i mean there's still forty nine people in poverty. african-american. unemployment which actually and those kind of things identify real structural problems with the economy that republicans don't want to talk about either because that would go against you know free trade that would go against the i disagree tax you know the let's let's get mike you know i just like challenge it is that graph shows amount to looks more like a foothill to me though i'm grateful for any. thing that's that's about the lying
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to be completely honest and i would just go to say to that i think you know you asked if you thought if we thought that the bait over contraception was a distraction from economic improvement considering a peak now improvement is really not bad outstanding i also think that there's merit to some of the contraceptive debate at least in so far as that this really goes back to obamacare and what companies should be spending and what people should be paying for to do so so you think a private corporation should be able to use a religion to define what kind of benefits are going to offer their employees i think a religious group should be able to use religion because you're in favor of shari'a one united states being supported by the masses i don't think this is a i'm not a fan of sharia law being spoiled by united states government is also not a fan of secularism being enforced by the united states i mean on a private research organization is ation i think this is sort of a distraction what we're really going back to and i think there are some great points have been brought up by conservatives such as none of this out of the debate
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over the contraception fight addresses the fact that the penalty for not providing insurance coverage is significantly less than the cost of insurance coverage we would get back about the fact that the hospitals you know it wasn't nice to get us and we got that's that's a whole right you know so let me move along here looks like food stamps are crucial lifeline for americans on the economy. americans were climbing their way out of the bush great recession and u.s. analysis was in our budget policy priorities shows that food assistance has cut the number of american households living in extreme poverty which is less than two dollars a day in half and food stamps have cut the number of children living in extreme poverty from two point eight million to one point four million. to interrupt you has to do with the politicization of the illegal aliens they are able to get around this food stamp ruled by if you have a child born let's who are you legally. who are talking. immigration paul. you know
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it's i'm on i'm just curious as a republican who thinks we should get food stamps why do you hate children will tell me i don't hate children at all i think you know that as a father as he is you so right about what but i just received an e-mail today that said the apartment of agriculture actually oversees the food stamp department and that more americans are receiving food stamps than ever before the raid this so any prisoners more americans and because we got the bush great recession well i don't know if that's the case but i think they could take a lesson from another division of department of agriculture that also oversees the parks and wildlife where they say they're encouraging americans not so feed the wild animals because it will become dependent on these handouts and there's a lesson there that is really is you're saying don't feed the poor children because the world well that's an example of how little that's example of a lack of compassion. towards the poor but also just a lack of economic knowledge about what food stamps do there should be more people on it right now because it's one of the best stimulus programs that are out there
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you know if you give people money to go to the grocery store and buy food in the grocery store puts more so i want to back here's the numbers for a dollar spent on food stamps to get a dollar seventy three cents back in the economy unemployment insurance dollars spent it's a dollar sixty four infrastructure dollars think it's a dollar fifty nine all these are things that republicans oppose on the other hand the three things that republicans support capital gains cuts you spend a dollar you get thirty seven cents back corporate tax cuts the senate all you get thirty cents back which tax cut spend a dollar get twenty nine cents and the source for all this is moody's which is not like you know not radical left wing i mean this is moody's for goodness the food stamps the food issue would be much better served in the private sector and to do the poverty and i'll tell you i'm sure it is you have organizations you can have mosques who are willing to help their local communities also i do agree with this idea that we're people hungry show up at companies and i listed. things that i'd
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like to see the government spend less on food stamps at the very bottom and i i i do have a problem would be any campaign platform that says we should cut welfare for poor people before we cut welfare for rich people and i you know i don't like i mean you know you want you want to talk about credits we should take away let's take away green tax credits for we cut food stamps that's me person that oil subsidies yeah that's likely what i'm doing and always better yet let's get a little energy subsidies before i mean i how big fan of food stamps was was a one time republicans on public assistance myself as a kid and i'd like to eat it i like eating but i see a lot of a lot of corporate welfare that i'd like to see cut first be completely honest there is no record of wealth or it's a little unfair to put corporate welfare on the same level as you know i've got to say what is i've got food stamps is a must much smaller expense and i think you know you explain it well let's let's get out of citizens united here it looks like the plutocrats want to hijack our democracy this blows my mind the largest corporate lobbying organization in the nation maybe in the world the u.s. chamber of commerce is is targeting two democrats right now one of them sure
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a ground already spending money on the campaign here eight months out and they say they plan to spend fifty million dollars to defeat democrats specifically to defeat democrats. more than a dozen senate seats more than thirty house seats that they've already targeted and used to be a crime and this is in one thousand and seven the tillman act was passed to make this illegal and the supreme court has overturned this how can it be a good thing for our democracy to have corporate interests deciding who are candidates here are you know or are having such a large influence as you said sam low information voters people who just pay attention the last few weeks before the campaign and they can watch via well we're already seeing the effects of it because in two thousand and ten when was the first election after citizens united over three hundred million dollars and outside corporate spending went into that and elected one of the most corporate friendly house of representative ever seen now after fifteen months of the republican party being in control the house the voters. up with it if you look at the polls whether
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it's the war on unions the war on women or whatever you want to choose the rock overwhelmingly overloading talking about i don't think i have i just i don't think i have to explain my point there what i'm saying is this is the way we have a system and people said that it helps incumbents neighbors incumbents well now we have a system that favors wealthy people and as you said the plutocrats are going to spend lots of money to protect their interest you know the american people don't want the republicans now this was an egalitarian paradise before so this is united no the united states problems yeah i don't know and i don't think this because they talk about the fact that this kind of spending used to be illegal as is any sort of argument in the insufficient act mean free speech illegal you know i mean that was a great that was that was seventeen eighty nine i'm going to say. as it was years later and i was limited to automatically expire on march sixth one thousand nine hundred because they knew that so you'd have to have crazy things united if it was you know we have a congress and i want to vote for them well you know i think citizens united was pretty close to them over at
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a table think more corporate money in our elections is a good thing you know what i've been watching the g.o.p. primary and i think it's lasted as long as it has we've learned as much about the candidates we have because of higher campaign spending and to be completely honest i think your guy's going to have a much better chance in two thousand so we'll see if you think that it's a good thing that we have a political system where the only reason the new gingrich is still in the race is because he's got a billionaire the only guys on the sidelines as old as he's got i don't think if you have big problems plutocrats i don't think that campaign repealing citizens united is a solve for what it would have taken the maximum amount that anybody could use. this is campaign spending it's not the only way that people who have their wealth through the romance between big government and big business that is not the only way that they can get things that are going to get it has gotten so right just so i ok i agree but i think if you look at if you look at lobbying laws that we have in place i mean we have we have a lot of things that are supposedly in place. to limit the influence of money in
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politics that i don't think they work i think that once the once you have the money in the hands of the few which let's be honest a lot of these companies get it through corporate you know crony capitalism i think wants a lot has reached that point it doesn't matter whether you have system so we're screwed not good to get well i don't know i don't think it's in a world created david worse we're screwed i mean it's just that's it i don't think so i'm going to take issue with this gentleman who said the people don't want republicans in the house i mean the who made you the arbiter of what the people are just looking i'm just looking at the polls in the way things seem to be going i mean if you look at those who settled business also it was your whole it's what we're seeing it was scott's and what we're seeing in ohio when you have this is on we're already under twelve lowest it's ever been in thank god is that a unique events or i think so if it's the lowest in history that doesn't look. so so you referenced the supreme court need and you said that the supreme court hearing or the supreme court ruling was tight it was a five four decision these guys were not elected and there's nothing in the
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constitution that says that they actually have the power to overturn laws made by congress is not time for us to at the very least amend the constitution and say corporations are people with money as property and not speech and since the supreme court has been on this tear for almost a hundred years and no legislature and no president has ever been supportive of it but i mean again if the problem is that the supreme court is an elected i don't see how repealing citizens united are legislating around it solves a problem that you were many people nine people who are on the lectern in concert for life how they end up there the last word on so many issues in this country and i don't understand how station doesn't say the last word unconstitutional that's the hour they took on of themselves need to go through the right thing credibly naive with kennedy saying that allowing corporations to spend this money won't give rise to corruption i think it's very clear that it does give rise to corruption absentee did after the break after a decade of two failed wars in the middle east why do conservatives want to take us to war with iran and iran or coming up.
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well the back of the rubble our panel david selig sam sacks mike griggs and say back to it the drumbeat to war in iran is starting to get deafening mitt romney wrote an op ed this week in the washington post in which he explicitly said that iran was building a nuclear weapon and was speeding down that course all sixteen us intelligence agencies contradict that say that that is not the case and in response to this the extra rector of mossad efraim halevy came out and said that romney was making the problem worse that romney was wrong and us are israel's former intelligence chief meyer doug on who just retired like last year said the exact same thing if he can in fact he said nuclear iran is not an x.
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essential threat they are not suicidal they want the bomb for defensive purposes and if they got it it wouldn't be an existential threat to israel this is the intelligence director of israel no intelligence agency in the united states has said that iran is trying to build back it also you know they're not they're a machine a lot of uranium they haven't even begun the process of putting or even having the pieces to put together are we seeing the same sort of propaganda tool of the world . i don't think so i think what we have right now is a very serious problem that's about to come to fruition it's ironic. that we're only looking at a few republicans rather than the commander in chief here he is engaging in nothing but military adventurism it makes you wonder why he just isn't a slap down the republicans for talking too much about war i mean this is definitely not the best situation in the world and nobody really wants iran to have nuclear weapon i guess another issue is whether or not we have a right to tell you whether they should be able to have a nuclear weapon or not but nobody is thinking about the next step ok we launch
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a military attack on iran or we invited iran what happens next this isn't this isn't even iraq this isn't afghanistan this is a developed nation that we can quickly with one errant bomb drop radicalised whole population we have a much bigger problem owner and i don't see ridiculous arguments ok let's i want to get mike's thoughts on this is what i would say i mean i'm pretty tough on all this stuff and i agree with david that we've seen lots of military adventurism from obama and i don't honestly believe that challenging republicans on warmongering is anything but a political stunt i think if he had reason to he do it i don't think there's any reluctance on the parts of democrats or republicans to keep our nose out of the rest of the world's business i also do think that nuclear weapons are an existential threat but i think they've been accidental threats since we bombed to russia and nagasaki and that. i have no desire personally to send anybody off to another war so when we get agreed to take nukes to zero. we missed an opportunity not that well ok last question quick for. the right wing media machine scandal
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machine just spit out its latest non-story a nine hundred ninety one video of a young barack obama introducing professor derrick bell to a rally to give an african-american woman professor tenure and since professor bell is an african-american and this video proves that barack obama is indeed a radical just as sean hannity. ok anyhow so if president obama is a radical for having a black professor then what other past president might have their way into radicalism a george w. bush clearly seen here how his way into islamic fundamentalism with the saudi prince we've even had a nice sweet kiss on the lips ronald reagan seen here hugging his way into being a communist sympathizer with gorbachev or thomas jefferson who knew and worked with louis the sixteenth and most likely how does when to be coming to french. i'm going to go another the ball of the most radical move was when obama the president of
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general electric and gave them that sweetheart tax abatement deal that was much worse than any other and she had been in charge of mr jobs thing not as much worried about the hug had he done the terrorist fist bump with professor bell then it would have been outrage well this was a terrorist yes. it depends on how you look at it or who's looking at it i suppose because i actually just find it bad enough that he's a neo liberal technocrat i don't really care who we spoke to who said obama i find i i have a problem i don't think they go flat only it was a you know no nortec knockers the idea my problem is not that he hugged derrick bell it's ways of running the country right now i don't care about alinsky i don't care about reverend wright i don't care about their well i care about right now so as opposed to the job market yeah i hear all day yeah so my clients here is that it would be jimmy carter who was caught hugging willie nelson and thus must be a pro pot radical right. there yeah i'm with you on that i think it's time for us to reexamine those was david sam and i thank you all for thank you very
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much for having me thomas a real pleasure being at these opulent our t.v. studios. for shit. before you yell about wanting to be free from the government you really need to understand exactly what freedom means case in point fifty six year old mary brown of florida mary is a small business owner and the lead plaintiff in a case challenging the constitutionality of president obama's health reform law the affordable care act also known as obamacare mary herself doesn't have health insurance according to her lawyer doesn't want it doesn't want to have to provide
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her employees with it and in her words doesn't want the government to tell her she has to have it mary brown that's what freedom is and is that really freedom according to court records mary brown and her husband were forced to file for bankruptcy last fall thanks in part to thousands of dollars in unpaid medical bills a burden that comes with trying to survive in america without medical insurance in fact unpaid medical bills prompt sixty percent of all bankruptcies in america today something that doesn't happen in any other developed nation in the world why because the rest of the developed world knows that if you don't have health insurance. then you're not really free if you can't stand on that base think about it for a second are you free if you're sick and you can't get medical care or you free if you're broke and wiped out because of medical bills you know that's not freedom and that's why progressives in america want universal single payer health care it's so
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that basic requirement that basic require for free good health is guaranteed to everyone and that's why president obama passed the affordable care act which will give virtually all americans access to affordable health insurance which currently fifty three million americans don't have access to and thus aren't really free and that's why the story of mary brown is so ironic she doesn't realize that the government is actually trying to give her freedom not taken away she believes in the idea of freedom promoted by the republican party the freedom only means freedom from the government perhaps perhaps summed up best by rick perry last year in this next video discovered by andrew breitbart and his team you'll see old tree playing an extended version of the one nine hundred ninety one protester in one of his lectures in two thousand and eleven at harvard university let's watch this open up your hearts your mind the words.
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in the president says that was not the right clip my apologies freedom in any case rick perry was talking about you know freedom from taxation right freedom from taxation that means you're free to keep all your money and when the government starved of revenue you're also free to drive on crumbling roads and collapsing bridges you're free to put out your own house fire since if you know firefighters you're free to catch your own criminals and so they'll be no cops you're free to defend the nation on your own since there be no military you're free to fend for yourself when you grow older since they'll be no social security or medicare so that sort of freedom you want. freedom from regulation that means you're free to breathe polluted air and contaminated water you're free to eat beef laced with eco ally and poison spanish so you're free to let your kids play with toys doused in lead is that really what freedom means in america or freedom from
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litigation that means you're free to have the wrong arm amputated and not have the right to sue your free from having any recourse when an oil rig explodes killing your loved one or ruining your you're thriving tourism business you're free from having a chance to save your home and livelihood after some banks cons you into an exploding mortgage essentially means you're free to get screwed by corporations and as libertarian ron paul suggested you're free to die alone in the gutter. this whole idea of thank you thank you eighty three eighty three you say society should just let him. know who. coincidentally paul's own campaign manager in two thousand a to fill a by the name of kent snyder was free to die when he contract in ammonia ron paul doesn't give his employees health insurance so snyder racked up four hundred thousand dollars in hospital bills before finally dying and leaving his family
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stuck with his medical bills i might be freedom for libertarians and lovers of i and rand but frankly i don't think most americans consider that freedom and this understanding of freedom that has been promoted by the republican party because it translates into massive profits for their campaign donors millionaires billionaires bankers oil barons and for profit health insurance c.e.o.'s is ruining the country for example the u.s. chamber of commerce is already in the process of spending millions of dollars to take down democratic senators and members of congress and replace them with republican corporate shills you're not free when your elections are determined by corporate. president franklin roosevelt as well as other presidents from both parties in history including to eisenhower and teddy roosevelt both republicans have a very different definition of free it is nine hundred thirty six speech before the democratic national convention president roosevelt quoted an old english judge who . necessitous men are not free men that means if you're in
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need of the basic essentials to survive you're not free are there mary brown realized or not she's not free if she doesn't have health care. you're not free if you don't have a job and no prospects or you're not free if you don't have enough money to feed your children you're not free if you don't have a roof over your head clothes to dress or suffer heat in the winter only when these basic essential supreme allied for all americans free to chase their dreams free to invent and build free to act it was based on this understanding of freedom a president roosevelt introduced a second bill of rights in one thousand nine hundred four state of the union address those rights include the right to a useful and profitable job the right to earn enough the to earn enough for a decent living enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation the right to every for every farmer for a raise and so as products the right of every businessman to be free from
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monopolies the right of every family to a decent home the right to adequate medical care the right to adequate protection from economic fears of old age sickness accident and unemployment and the right to a good education as roosevelt understood it these rights guaranteed security and only when we are secure are we free unfortunately president roosevelt died before you could fight for and pass a second bill of rights and today freedom is under attack by corporate powers misinformed voters like mary brown who believe that the united states is better off with corporations running everything instead of the government of we the people making choices for ourselves we have to ask ourselves as americans if we really do aspire to live in a society based on selfishness and corporate rule because that's where we're headed no longer are we our brother's keeper and no longer are we that we society that provided a quality standard of living to a vast middle class more than thirty years ago if we want that back and we have to reclaim the word freedom and kick the corporations out of the temple of government
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