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a report on how the nonstop flowed regulations from brussels is forcing firms out of business while the eurozone crisis rages on. i got when i got there in half an hour from now in the meantime over to our washington studios now for the new talk show taking an in-depth look today at the massacre of civilians by a u.s. soldier in afghanistan possible panel of experts will be debating what's hot and what's not in the news right now stay with us for that.

book of the loner show up at the real headlines with none of the mercy for him live in washington d.c. now it's not going to take a look at the horrible event from the weekend u.s. soldier allegedly killing think fifteen afghan civilians including women and children in the middle of the night massacre but will host a panel discussion with our monday hangover will talk about everything from voter id laws to crashing the justice system and the difference between democrats and republicans when it comes to the prospect of war with iran and as greece implements the biggest debt write down in history we're going to speak with william black about the dangers of losing economic sovereignty and what other options are out there that should be discussed so all that and more for you tonight including a dose of happy hour but first let's take a look at the mainstream media has decided to miss. so to start off today's show first want to go back to yesterday so if you watch the

news this morning you'll see that the mainstream media is for once actually covering the war in afghanistan due to this curse a massacre of civilians over the weekend allegedly by one u.s. soldier was unfortunate that it takes an event like this to get the media to question whether or not the war in afghanistan is a failure after ten long years but that's what it's come to so now to go back to yesterday to something that happened on one percent the morning talk shows where the issue of the targeted killing of u.s. citizens came that's something which the media thus far haven't really considered to be that big of a deal and i fear that it's going to take ten years other horrible events for them to realize that thanks to the war on terror the fear that we've all been fed the constitution and the protections afforded within it have been completely trampled on anyway here's candy crowley talking to democratic senator harry reid about attorney general eric holder's speech and how people are arguing that the president needs to get this is of course in holder's view people are arguing that the president needs to get permission from a federal court before taking action against a u.s.

citizen overseas. he said this is just not accurate but due process and judicial process are not one in the same if you have and this is creating quite a stir do you have any problem with that do you understand what that means exactly no i don't but i do know this the nonsense of the american citizen been killed overseas who are terrorists and frankly if anyone in the world deserved to kill those three did his or her because these are the three that were killed in yemen and then stay in the just are you at slightly uncomfortable with the idea that the united states president whoever it may be can decide that this or that u.s. citizen living abroad is a threat to national security and tell them well i don't know what the attorney general meant by saying that i'd have to study a little bit i've never heard that term before but i think the process is and play i think it's one that i think with and live with and i think with the international war on terror that's going on now we're going to have to make sure that we have the

tools to get some of these people who are very bad and comply with american law and you think that the president should be able to make that decision in conjunction with the folks in the administration without going to court without going to you all there there is a war going on there's no question about that he's the commander in chief and there's and i don't set and if you thought it was those i think you should be able to do it. all right so let's walk through a couple details of this horrible exchange shall we harry reid first says that no he doesn't understand what the difference is between due process and judicial process i don't care is about understanding the legal language of this in this race and tries to use right because directly after that he says with certainty i'll be three individuals who are american citizens who have been killed abroad deserved to be killed now as far as i know the legal memo that the administration used to justify killing a lot he was only shared with a very small national security panel so unless harry reid somehow got in on it how

can he say these people deserved. to be killed not to mention of course that it's very read actually give a damn about the constitution the laws in this country it wouldn't matter because they would know he would know that they have protections that should guarantee their day in court regardless of whether he thinks they deserve to be killed and finally the three individuals that we're talking about here on are lucky samir khan who was killed in the same strike as a lot he and. a lot that's anwar lottie's sixteen year old son he was killed in an air strike in yemen last october along with eight other people u.s. officials have never said why the only thing that officials have said anonymously of course to the press is that he was at the wrong place at the right at the wrong time but according to harry reid this is sixteen year old american citizen deserved to be killed that's quite a statement to make that is quite a horrifying reality of how our government functions these days and i'm completely out of hand this war on terror has become i don't lead we have democratic leaders

fully supporting policies which they apparently don't understand yet which anyone with a basic knowledge of our constitution can figure out is illegal but we have a press to also let that slide i'm happy that candy crowley asked him the question but i think a little follow up question to be in order as to how we so sure that these people deserve to be killed without ever having seen a day in court especially a sixteen year old and so here once again ladies and gentlemen we see why so many of these dangerous policies are allowed to slide why this war on terror is perpetuated why do probably only get much worse when one day the press corps realizes that hey there's a problem for now unfortunately they continue to choose to miss. the rights and i love to talk about his gruesome massacre of sixteen civilians in afghanistan killing nine children and three women an american soldier there is some

conflicting report. locals say if they saw a group and heard simultaneous shots and u.s. military officials insist that there is no evidence that there was more than one shooter the story so far from what officials have released shows like this that around three am on sunday morning thirty eight year old army staff sergeant left the coalition out outpost in the punjab my district that out of kandahar he moved through a number of homes where he shot and killed sixteen civilians some of the bodies he later piled and burnt and the shooter then allegedly walk back to the post and turned himself in a horrible story that's received condemnation from president hamid karzai who president obama called after releasing a public statement expressing condolences and shock and apollos weeks of protests and violence in afghanistan after the inadvertent burning of korans also and photos of marines urinating on taliban corpses who came out at the start of this year and the afghan parliament is demanding a soldier be put on public trial so could this actually be a turning point for how the public already realized that the war effort was due to

enemy to discuss it is retired lieutenant colonel anthony shaffer senior fellow for the center for advanced defense studies an impact america also author of the book operation dark heart and i'm also joined by david x. freelance work correspondent and i want to thank you both for joining me tonight and david i want to start with you what do you think of this the fact that there are conflicting reports here that the u.s. military saying that it was one rogue lone shooter and locals are saying that they feel that there was a group. i'm not sure the locals have better information than the military does at this point the the attack apparently happened early in the morning and the press reports i've read had some of the the neighbors of the victims racing to the crime scene after the shooting it's taken place so i can only assume that that you have folks who heard but did not see the attacks and are are projecting from what

they heard assumptions about the numbers shooters he was using an automatic weapon it may have sounded like more shooters and were actually present and military says one shooter and until we have more information that's that's fair fireable i believe that. paying proprietor i get it there's something suspicious about power does that make sense for situations like this no for him to do what he did i think he had to be very stealthy i mean the idea of leaving post at that hour of the evening was not easy to do he had to probably tell someone he was doing something totally live but one guy said googling out by himself is probably the way it would have been done i do believe this. who let's talk about obviously there's a lot of conversation about perhaps psychological trauma the idea of our soldiers serving multiple tours because this guy wasn't a newbie he had already served three tours in iraq he came to afghanistan in december and so you know i what other possible questions can arise as to that

because it's not like this is somebody who's never seen war before and never you know have to deal with it face to face are there differences between being in iraq and afghanistan well clearly there are differences between iraq and afghanistan huge differences doesn't excuse the action i was actually on b.b.c. last night without knowing the details we know today i predicted this this guy would have been on his third or fourth tour so we know that the stress of multiple tours has a huge weight to additional factors that this guy had that others did not perhaps regarding afghanistan secondly he's been working special operations forces outside the war training working with the afghan public i think that that is a good moralizing sort of missions because the afghan people really turned her back on the mission secondly along the same line is the fact that the afghan military who we're working with has turned to be a not a good partner by the fact you've had it the koran burning to us so this is u.s. soldiers shot in the back of the head and this is not the first time this has happened you have an infiltration of the very people we're trying to help by the taleban by sympathizers and frankly it's got to be difficult for our go our u.s.

soldiers to wake up every morning to go face this very difficult environment i think that plus the stress of the other two wars now expects using what he did but i'm saying those things did have a huge impact on his mental state i think the result of him break it. david i want to get your opinion on what you think. you know we can say about the reaction thus far because after there was inadvertently burned at the prison we saw protests we saw riots we saw a lot of violence in afghanistan that stemmed weeks after this we saw early from the reports that i've read a couple hundred people gathered outside of the outpost to protest but do you think that we're going to see riots do you think that we're going to see violence in the same way is there a big difference for afghanis when it comes to burning a koran versus women and children being killed. i do believe that the reaction will escalate

a lot of this news it's going to spread by word of mouth especially to some of the more isolated eastern and southern communities where folks. where the divisions already exist between the locals and the coalition that sort of facilitate a wider more violent reaction so i think given given a few days we're going to see a pretty big sponsors to this that they could equal the the riots in the wake of the burning. i i'm i'm reluctant to comment on the distinction between afghans reactions to the koran burning versus a reaction to these murders and i tend to believe that it's going to be a pretty violent reaction both cases turning out to you know you know we're not going to see anything you've seen probably the worst of it already i'm going on a limb here obviously but i think the reason is this we've already seen a sort of thing happen before we've seen the american strike brigade having support killings a couple year of last year to convict these guys this year you know we're spots we

had german karen who was relieved over the abuse of use of force and killing civilians again no no major protests and no i don't believe it's sad as it is i don't think we're going to see much of a reason being is that for better or for worse the value of life and the core of the world is less than ours so this would be tragic but this is one more trend that we've seen happening for years now and as sad as it is i think it should be something that tells us it's time to step away and let the afghan people seek their own future without a single us of us there saying perhaps that these are two cultures that are we just can't understand absolutely also what about the fact that these people have lived with a constant occupation and lived in war for the last ten years because you know we talk about of this americans say this has been america's longest war but it hasn't been happening on our soil well let me have that report in zero three and zero four when i was there i was a tipping point my book talks about it we were there as as basically be. they're right to spend that if we were doing what was necessary to achieve our military objectives with both ten thousand troops one tenth of what we have there now we're

being successful because we were trying to push we were giving to the afghan people hobson's choice we were trying to say you got to pick the karzai government you've got to pick the taliban we'd like them to get a tribe that they were over the wars with but we're now we've made them and i think what's why we've become the issue and that's why the afghan people are now railing against us they have no tradition of central government even though they've been occupied the british have tried it the soviets and tried it and it doesn't work you can't form a central government we're there's a culture that was not what was central government or the culture doesn't want and i guess we say the afghan parliament wants right now they want some form of justice and so they're actually calling for a public trial of this soldier if it is just the line to be done in afghanistan which i can't really imagine the u.s. military allowing for that to happen but i mean you know what's what's your take it what do you think the chances are of that is that something that would have peas afghan civilians if they saw something like this carried out publicly sure it might but it's never going to happen the military and the white house one allow that but i'd like to revisit the last bit of conversation of that at that assessment that

the let's see if you seem to agree upon that life means less in afghanistan than it does say here elsewhere in the world i don't think that's true the there's a little town in eastern afghanistan called marsac and about six months ago the taliban murdered a single person in that town and that's a road taliban town after that murder that's how neglected to join the coalition and form a volunteer police force and invite in the army the us army to go to troll base a single murder is can be a big deal afghans to do value life and if americans and if the coalition are perceived to be murderers equal and brutality to the taliban that is going to have a profound influence on the course of this war. by the way i'm asking the questions here i'm not agreeing because i have not i haven't been to afghanistan i say good news is why i bring you guys on to talk about it so if we want to talk about an influence on the course of this war whether there really will be

a turning point do you think there were only there's a new a.b.c. washington post poll that came out this weekend that shows that sixty percent of americans don't think that this war is worth fighting anymore over fifty percent said that we should basically cut and run not finish the training mission and leave and this was actually before any of this happened so are we seeing some kind of turning point or was that was the public opinion already there beforehand as it already is the course is already set in stone and on its way i think the american public are wise to what's going on there are two classified reports out which back up the idea that we need to change what we're doing i'm not a running i'm saying we change mission from one the work that's losing that's the coin strategy to one that we were winning on can win again which is the anti-terrorism strategy lower footprint focused on only what we need to achieve to achieve national security not of making it more like us with that said the see this being we do think that you can compare this to the my lai massacre in vietnam we're going to be right going to be that there's a lot of heroes of the vietnam war recently. but i just said you know we see you

know progress being made it was almost it was more than life you know because that's hard to cede our leadership regarding this war they're getting good intelligence telling them the national polling system it says we're not going to win and baster crocker sent in a class to talk to gravel thereby knows about it says because we've never addressed the safe havens in pakistan strategy never going to work the white house has all this gear they pretend otherwise. david what's your take before we wrap this up do you think that this is really going to be a turning point not only for the way that it's perceived in afghanistan by the civilians but by the american public and i think that we already see in terms of some of our politicians here newt gingrich right this is become suddenly a popular position for one of the g.o.p. candidates to take is that we should leave immediately but what about for everyone else i think we've seen the end of the war i think recent events pointed to a political and game. game in the sense that. people are going to want to remove troops immediately are going to or they're going to say ok go along

with the plan it's already there to be out by twenty thirteen or twenty fourteen immediately it's not possible i'm just speaking with the. withdrawal most regular troops beautifully fourteen could be accelerated and i think you've seen enough leeway in the rhetoric to make that possible. we can't move out any quicker than a year best case you've got to switch some troops out bring others in i talked to a former commander of central command this directly and you can't move much faster than twenty thirty without said if you're telling it's all about you're leaving those who are left there to take on this thankful mission will be left in more danger than ever i think we'll see more of them. like this unfold gentlemen thank you so much for joining us tonight and other horrible events from this war thank you. guys time for a quick break we come back i'm from i'm a hangover we're going to ask whether or not americans for crash the justice system and if we can just ignore all that pesky u.s.

intelligence when it comes to ron. if you want to learn. from. our guys it's monday and we have quite a few things on our plate to discuss the rest allowed after this big weekend as the

obama administration blocks a texas voter id law and the c.p.s. taking their case against a voting laws all the way to geneva before a u.n. panel that an author friends and an author of penned an op ed in the new york times suggesting that if everybody actually refused to plea out insisted on our sixth amendment right as guaranteed in the constitution to a trial and the entire justice system would crash and a new poll shows that there is a difference between democrats and republicans when it comes to what they think the likelihood is of a war with iran so you're in the skies with me is matt welch editor in chief of reason magazine and said july communications and outreach coordinator for united republic and writer for united republic's blog republic report or gentlemen thanks so much for joining me tonight. ok voter id laws is something we brought up a lot on this show because right now there are fifteen states since last year that have already passed these new laws i think over thirty states that are trying to make it specifically a voter i.d. law and so what do you think of just targeted justice is going to have to do right

in the sense of this texas law they said that this would risk the disenfranchisement of thousands of voters and so they just have to go state by state i mean this is going to be a trend they did it before i presume so i mean bill you go state by state or try to get some kind of a broad class action kind of thing going on here the problem with the political. question of this is that you have one people on the side of the issue saying you know of course this is been a historical way to blunt the aspirations and to deny voting rights to especially african-americans but on the other side of the issue regardless of anything else the voting system in this country sucks i mean how many times have you gone to the polls and seen your name twice or some dude living in your house there's a powerful emotional argument for saying hey look shouldn't you have a system that's a little bit more airtight so that this will be a political issue for as long as we still have that kind of voting system that

isn't there another way to try to reform or at least i guess you could say our voting system rather than requiring everyone to have a government issued photo id and there's i think twenty one million people in this country that don't have one of them because they might not have the proper documents in order to get it or because of the fact that it costs money right they have to go to the d.m.v. to get it. and i think very few people argue the voting system i mean you have so many people turning away every single year because they're on the right thing they don't know where to go their name wasn't listed and that's why you know voter id ends up being you know sort of burden some sort of way to handle the problem i mean i think there are definitely ways to reform the system even if some states and districts are actually going to start experimenting with online voting and sort of online verification for voting a lot of especially elderly people who tend to be disenfranchised with voting id laws they like to use their like medicare card or social security card. for registration for id so there's a number way to tackle the problem but you know i think just today it was guns and judge threw out their voting id law so i think these laws are very divisive and

honestly they're kind of the solution is searching for a problem because there really isn't any sort of rash outbreak of sort of voter fraud i mean it's mostly just media factored. well i mean that that's true we talked about that on the show too you know it might be frustrating or you might you say how many times have you gone and seen your name written down it's never happened to me and i've never been able to. really know is this existence don't show the voter fraud really is a huge problem right what it does it undermines people's confidence a member saying great power you might have in your show once or twice before the two thousand and four election and saying very confidently we know that they've stolen the election the only question is how you're going to do it there is a built in belief that the whole system is rigged against whatever faction that you're part of and as long as the voting system has sort of you know swiss cheese irregularities to it you'll have that but it's also a reflection of our federal system we don't want a one size fits all federal solution to voting and i think that's actually for the good i mean new allows for experimentation and kind of regional differences within

other broader kind of fourteenth amendment issues yeah i mean i guess of bothers me more is the fact that we have an electoral college that i feel that some states get a little more say than others do or certain voters are going to create a better world for in the thin ivy let's move on to you michelle alexander is an author she's written about our criminal justice system the war on drugs houses all consider the new jim crow and so she has this op ed in the new york times basically reminding us that more than ninety percent of the time people actually don't go to a for a trial with a jury if they're arrested for something they have to just take a plea bargain and usually you know serve a little bit of time in jail but she says that the system could actually be crashed if everyone took advantage of that sixth amendment right do you think that's true totally one thousand percent true yes of course i mean we don't have a criminal justice system at least as originally envisioned we have a plea bargain factory system and that's it so a government says you have committed even it's

a first time offense you've committed this thing we have a jailhouse snitch the pins you have his crime you didn't commit and you can either go to jail for ten years if you fight it or. we'll give you one year on the side and that's what all of this isn't like that right i mean there's even a supreme court case that said that they're allowed to threaten you with life in prison. with this plea bargain deal and that's totally legal to do you know i think i think the professor she actually mentioned this that in her op ed too that the system as it set up right now is really skewed against particularly poor people and racial minorities and you know god bless them in the only person who brought this up in any surprise a joke or it was ron paul you know talking about particular systems getting its minority because typically these people don't tend to have the education they don't and the access to this sort of legal knowledge to defend themselves or a lot of these cases so they'll just take that leap our you know whatever is there to say things are being and i think the professor was absolutely right it was actually started standing up for their rights and demanding you know what it takes and i mean that and the rest of the bill right here and he is that they would be crashes as well because that's been really is not set up right now to actually

deliberate simply because supposed to be a system based on fear where they where they go in and they say if you actually want to take advantage of the rice has been granted to you by the sixth amendment you might face more time in jail led to seems like the most backwards logic to me completely and let's not forget that it's very expensive to for anyone to go through that and at every step of the way they have people who sort of punish you for standing firm and holding on to your beliefs but you know it's easy for us to say oh yeah of course you should fight it but then get there yourself that's one thing right guys then you have to risk the possible consequences lastly before we go as you say there's a new poll this is by a poll position found the fifty's purse that excuse me fifty seven percent of republicans believe that the u.s. is going to attack around this year attacking iran this year and twenty two percent of democrats think that and so it kind of just brings up a little question obviously there are a lot of people in between they don't necessarily want to call themselves a democrat or republican but i thought the two questions at long last were interesting and i want your answers are republicans then engage in this wish

fulfillment thing meaning that you know they believe that it's likely because they really want a war and the fact that young people. ages eighteen to twenty nine actually it's more likely that we're at the imminent is that a reflection of the last ten years where you think that your war is normalized i think specially the last one is very interesting the young people now at this point are so cynical because we're always going to go to war the interesting number there is that twenty two it's the democrats don't think it's going to happen necessarily any probably don't want it to happen in the rank and file level and it is the democrats are more in denial because they don't want to listen and matter what they think that is the point it doesn't matter if your faction is is pro-war anti-war you're going to have war you know i think there's just as likely a possibility is that obama would somehow get involved militarily with iran as a republican president would at this point or a president romney at least this year might be slightly bigger chance for romney but democrats cannot impose their own anti interventionist feelings on their own

party because they're so quick to say republicans are evil knuckle dragging nazis and we have what we have i mean i think has a good point in terms of particularly young people don't see a big difference between the parties and foreign policy and in particular under obama have a get out there and there hasn't been that big of a difference but i do think that it's it is unlikely for there to be a war in the primaries there because the parties have a different philosophy of because i like the other countries the united states has gone to war with recently iran has a huge set of deterrents that would cause a lot of pain for the united states and its allies and i feel like this is a little bit more of a deterrent effect for them versus the other countries that have gone to war which i'm hoping that hopefully the young people here are a little too cynical because the world be really really bad for you know us and for one guy got a lot i hope you're right you know i kind of fall into this whole thing to call category space when you have people way to clip around a plate of henry kissinger saying that has screwed our intelligence agencies say iran wants a nuclear but we shall we know if this is a this is the logic.