tv [untitled] March 16, 2012 10:00pm-10:30pm EDT
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well i'm going to be alone show that the real headlines with none of them are safe or come alive out of washington d.c. now it's not going to speak for whistleblower peter van buren just got a germination notice from the state department for charges like we're going to wiki leaks and using poor judgment and speaking about hillary clinton's are going to get all the details then three in ten young americans now live with their parents so you can see what doctors aside from the economy are playing a role and what some are calling the going nowhere generation and thanks to
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a boy request we get a glimpse into f.b.i. surveillance of environmental and animal rights activists over the last decade or just say that they're targeting people for no good reason so we got all that and more for night including a dose of happy hour but first let's take a look at the mainstream media has it just cited to me. so if you were watching the mainstream media today it was one really big political news story for the release of a documentary about the obama administration. last night the obama campaign released this documentary called the road we've traveled seventeen minute documentary campaign for america it's the white house bio pic if you want to call it that most notable in the film is the defense of the health care bill did not stick accomplishments it includes the auto bailout his health care overhaul and the stimulus which is all part of this seventeen minute video there is that seventeen minute documentary that's coming out the travels of the president there is being
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successes are being touted the film focuses on the president's republican critics in the tea party become somewhat of a scapegoat this is again this is not about movies and fantasy land you know this is about real people's lives is it smart is it slick is it both is it going to fire up the base when that came out i thought to myself this is something you normally see like in the summer right before an election they're basically saying look we've got we've come a long way we have a long way to go but let's not forget in this day of instant messaging and instant everything let's not forget of the successes that have been achieved docu ganda aggressively part documentary with a piece of propaganda. i mean i think that's a pretty good indicator of where our mainstream media is priorities and interests lie when they're more discussing a movie that talks about the obama administration's policies than the administration's policies in general that of course they're more interested in the responses to the movie what the democrats are saying what the republicans are saying this is an election year it's a campaign gimmick and clearly with bill is that you create this sort of divide but
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what happens if we only focus on that left vs right democrat versus republican world we miss some of the biggest issues that should worry us all that have nothing to do with your political ideology what you think the role of government should be i'm talking about the basic values that are trying to the constitution i'm talking about are civil liberties an issue that of course this movie doesn't touch considering that having a former constitutional law professor as president one that's resulted in such a massive shredding of the paper that he's supposed to be helping million. with probably not a great selling point or a cheap it but anyway let me highlight two other political stories out there for you today that didn't make it into the mainstream media so the chuck grassley asked at a recent speech for the full legal memo the obama administration used to justify killing anwar all glossy and that drone strike in yemen without any due process and i'm happy to know that senator grassley also about the attorney general speech the other week to be complete b.s. and this is what he said he said if the attorney general's going to justify
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targeted killings based on robust congressional oversight he needs to call us through make these documents available to congress not just give us the cliff notes in a speech to law students and personally i couldn't agree more example the two senators ron wyden them argued all written letters to attorney general eric holder once again expressing their concern over secret interpretation of a portion of the patriot act that they warned about last year that they warned would make american stunned to see how this is ministration is carrying it out now they're not going down without a fight either and this time they even said that this operation is not as crucial to national security as executive branch officials have maintained executive branch officials maintain so let's thank them for that as well but once again these are issues that clearly didn't make it into the movie these are the issues that will make it into the partisan fighting that we see play out in the mainstream media these are moves to counter some very serious offenses by this administration that the mainstream media just chooses to miss.
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well today let's revisit the story of peter pan state department employee whistleblower i cast of this show and here is going to fall not for twenty four years but he came under fire for writing a critical book on the iraq reconstruction effort also working for the state department a book which he submitted for your review follow the rules which the state department rejected to after the review period passed based on passages that they deemed to contain classified information at that point that you're in a strip of a security clearance banned from his time from the state department headquarters and transferred to another job last week he received a terminations notice based on a charges and those charges include linking to a few leaks on his blog failing to clear ija blog posts and using bad judgment for criticizing hillary clinton and michele bachmann but is this just another example of the government retaliating and going after whistleblowers her disgust with me is
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peter van buren foreign service officer and author of the book we met well how i helped lose the battle for hearts and minds of the iraqi people and just one radek national security and human rights director of the government accountability project the nation's leading with the organization and i thank you both for joining us tonight and you know for starters peter did you know this was coming or was this a shock to you it was something that i expected i expected the state department would increase their return against me or to the point of firing me seeking to fire me so it wasn't surprising but it was still quite a surprise you look at that obama documentary i wonder if he also feature that he's thrown more whistleblowers into jail than any of his predecessors under the espionage act that may not be in the documentary but it may certainly be something voters want think about this fall also good point so in that sense if you think you're being unfairly targeted absolutely my book was approved by the department of state and more importantly the constitution of the united states protects free speech with the state department is trying to. terminate me for calling it bad
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judgment is in fact core political speech of the very basis of the first amendment the right of people in america to criticize their own government when i took my oath of office twenty four years ago it was to the constitution not to hillary clinton. yes and can you walk us through you know some of these charges things like that using poor judgments are bad judgment of their languages towards hillary clinton well it's ridiculous i mean clearly this is about the book which the state department pre-cleared by default because they let the thirty day time period for apps and didn't realize their mistake and it's about peter spurlock's now unfortunately for the state department the f. bomb is a first amendment and they it's a dirty word and they have studiously avoided throughout each of their italia tory actions taken against peter pan beer and if studiously avoided mentioning the first
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amendment which clearly precipitous all of this is a prior restraint to require him and in actual impossibility to be able to pre-clear every blog tweet and facebook update but this blog is as far as i understand it and an authorized blog right is the way that people describe it is that normal there are a bunch of other state department employees that all have blogs and do they not get their blog post cleared before they write want to read other hundreds of state department was this is the era of the internet and many of our young people we're coming aboard have lived their life on the internet they don't know without it all these hundreds of blogs in fact the state department chooses to link on its careers website to about twenty or thirty of them and never expects pre-clearance on any of those things because those blogs so you things that the state department likes it's dissenting speech that they don't like and they bring out their guns prior restraint so what is it that you said that was so bad about hillary clinton i wish i had more conversations about this school in the news and talk in this week than
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i've ever thought of before mrs clinton at the time that more cut off he was murdered. over his death she said on camera and it's on my website if anyone would like to see it we came we saw he died and then she started laughing. to me that was one of the most on diplomatic things i've ever heard a u.s. official do laugh at the death of a foreigner however vile a man he was but simply not what one does and so by using words that some people might find offensive to describe the secretary i was trying to draw a contrast between an act of laughing at someone's death and naughty words that we've all heard before and asking the question truly which of these is more obscene in the state department's view party talk is more obscene than laughing over the death of world leaders and tests i actually have from a legal perspective and i've seen you say this too that you think that if you work at a private company and there with them it's came off as insubordination. by go ahead
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by me you have the right to do that but you think that it's different if you work for the federal government gets definitely different and i think most government employees would be appropriately outraged if they found out that government and their agency was monitoring their internet activity during during their private time on their personal home computer it's outrageous and they didn't need to it that we are monitoring you twenty four seven now in a private corporation make a priory oh yeah the same thing you had the president fired general stanley mcchrystal right because of things that he said that were then written in a rolling stone article what's different about government from private companies is that you don't really have a choice with government you can vote for some of the people but most of the folks in governing including myself are never voted for more importantly with private companies you can take your business elsewhere if you don't like the way they do business if the people inside the government don't tell you the people about what
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we're doing you have no way to know if i didn't write a book about the waste and mismanagement in iraq who could tell you that who would tell you that and that places a different obligation on government employees an obligation that president obama in two thousand and eight said. was something that was very important to the federal employee you speak oh it's funny how he's changed his course we'll be able to remember that statement only when he believed that whistleblowers really play a very important role in exposing waste fraud and abuse now i also read too that there was a report done by an investigation by our office of special counsel and you think about might have something to do with the timing here while the office of special counsel recently filed a complaint with them and they decided to refer for investigation and prosecution and it was only after that that the state department proposed the removal of mr van buren so that's roughly suspect and then as part of that proposal we found out that the state department's internal office of investigation has been investigating not
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the state department's first amendment violations against my client but rather mr van buren himself are you. do you have any regrets you know do you wish that you hadn't written this book had written this blog said what you did and then your job wouldn't be in jeopardy right now in the short term in the short term this is been a lot more difficult than i ever anticipated i did not expect the full force of the united states government all its electronic tools in its nastiness to come after me because i wrote a book i thought the american government was stronger than that but they were afraid of words that the state department organization i probably worked out for twenty four years was not going to stoop to these mccarthy like tactics and yet at the end of the day i don't regret what i did i did what i did because it was important for people to understand what was going on in iraq so that americans can understand why things went wrong there so that they can judge why things are going wrong in afghanistan and other places i felt that i was uniquely placed to tell
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that story and at the end of the day i chose to take the hits and make the sacrifices to tell that story i had severe you are twenty four years but if you've been to go if iraq and afghanistan obviously and so i want to get your take on what you think is happening right now right out into afghanistan ok you haven't been to afghanistan then what's your take on the way that people are looking at this war after in the way that we're suddenly seeing the opinions change right there and people that for years have been saying we need to get out of afghanistan that this war is not working that counterinsurgency has failed and unfortunately do you think that it took a horrible event like this this shooting of civilians to really change the tide it's unfortunate that it does require a horrific tragedy like what could occur in afghanistan but sometimes it does need a bit of a shock to get people to change their thinking sometimes you have to say dirty words to get people to realize what's going on sometimes you have to bring to their attention a horrible massacre to reveal number one that our time in afghanistan eleven years
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and counting has been too long with very few results and to draw attention to the fact that the systems were taken down when soldiers commit. violence like this it's sign of discipline breaking down of command structure breaking down it indicates that there are internal problems that have come about after so many years of war in iraq thank you both for joining us and i will be sure to follow your case to see to see how progress is in your your battle versus state department i think it was a good recovery thank you very much. our time for our first break that evening but we come back with a look at almost six months of occupy movement through the eyes of an occupier and then are the youth of america simply going nowhere the young hearts and despairing about factors contributing to young americans stay at home and the folks.
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inception in new york city is a cottage park it's transformation and she movement less about mass protest and more about targeted actions fighting for closure is closing down bank branches on the eve of the six month anniversary of the occupy protests we'd like to take some time to reflect on how this movement is involved in the point of an occupier who's been in a fierce and square but last several months archie's christine and following twenty four year old john northam here in d.c. so here's a look at the movement through his eyes. never gets a free will but they'll need it to pull over the state ship before examination isolde why a media saturation we first met joe northam in the early stages of the occupy wall street movement i've been out here since i think october second degree a little bit at just the whole of government corruption the wall street fights mostly the really incestuous relationship that they got going on up there. like it started it was possible for multiple atrocity wall why
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a former children's mental health counselor joel position was cut and he was left without a job and instead found a place and a purpose here still has become like a full time job you know i mean a full time job you don't get paid for course but you know if you love something enough that's kind of. you know you just stay on the house and stay he did. as the air cooled. and the rain and snow and freezing temperatures came. this is the settlement that we just wrecked it to protect us from the outside conditions and those conditions not all thanks to mother nature every night there's something there's always some fights there's always to some kind of drama happening there's a lot of the rubble i swear the police have been telling my jockeys and drug do you want to get a spot to hang out go to macpherson. mcpherson square one of the longest lasting occupations and it out becoming a microcosm of society itself with similar issues from cleanliness to crime
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still joel and many others here remain under turds are today is january the third two thousand and twelve. year the revolution as i'd like to call it. it is close to . maybe twenty six twenty seven degrees outside but it wasn't the cold but these of the action notices that were posted on the occupiers. hence setting off a firestorm of both anger and support and the construction of this tent of dreams. most people did end up leaving joel included i guess the thing that maybe stopped libya was the raid. that was i mean that was i mean that infrared helicopters flying around at night you know having like little formal vision on the tents to make sure the people are in the tent sleeping but even police crackdowns have not mentioned the end of occupy wall street and this is an unfair since where today
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nearly six months after the occupy wall street movement began a few tense remain but it's largely symbolic though and the others say the occupation aspect of this movement is simply one chapter of a longer story of many more still yet to be written. work for them the desire for radical change and a new found belief that it can actually be achieved is strong enough not to be subdued in the brought it here was that feeling that something was incredibly wrong with society in the system in general and everything that we you know are you know should be naturally against us human beings and. i think i found that there was actually something that we can do about it in washington christine frizz now our team. according to a pew research center report released yesterday three and ten young people are now living with their parents after highest rate since the one nine hundred fifty s.
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but it's not just about moving out of your parents' house it's about being flexible to move to another city maybe even another state according to the census bureau the likelihood of twenty somethings moving to another state has dropped over forty percent since the one nine hundred eighty s. some clearly point to the recession high levels of unemployment the housing crisis as the reasons why but in an op ed in the new york times last week todd and victoria bucholtz who dubbed this generation or go nowhere generation ask if young people just become too risk averse to sedentary too happy at home checking facebook and i point to an increasing number of teens not bothering to get their driver's license or the popularity of the word random pointing out the idea that kids who grow up during tough economic times kind of believe that luck plays a bigger role in their success so which one is it is it a combination of all of the above and what will the consequences be joining me to discuss this and co-host of the young turks and thanks so much for joining us tonight i mean you and i have spoken about this before but it's an issue that isn't going to go away and it's important right because it's an entire generation that
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we're talking about it's our generation i know that i know a lot of people that are still living at home with their parents or who have moved back in after college to you. absolutely i mean look no one in our generation is excited about living at home with their parents but a lot of people in our generation don't really have much of a choice you know i was lucky enough to go to an affordable college pay out of pocket how big of student aid to pay for it but a lot of people that i went to college with weren't so lucky so they have no choice but to move back home after they graduate and a lot of cases operate a get a master's degree move back and save up enough money to pay off their student loan debt and then find a place to live so i don't think that this has to do with laziness or complacency this really has to do with these horrible economic situation but interesting what's . you know when you read this new york times article on the situation. you'll see that. forty percent of young people i'm sorry yeah they were forty percent less
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likely to move out of their state or out of their city after the night i the one nine hundred eighty s. and what's interesting about that is that was obviously before the recession that was before the economy hit the tank and people are wondering well what's going on here why are people less likely to do it and the article doesn't really focus on the internet and how more and more people are getting jobs on the internet now they don't necessarily need to move out of their hometowns or move to another state in order to work another being is the fact that you know you're seeing more urban is urbanization in several different areas so example of that is the sound fernando valley where i live now right so compared to los angeles it's a much smaller area it's in the los angeles county but it's considered like a small town but what's interesting is i can just drive to los angeles to work so i don't necessarily need to live out of my county so it's really interesting because i think this article looks at this whole you know kids staying in the area that
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they grew up and in a very simplistic way they don't take into account a lot of different elements. well you know but what about how about the idea you know you mentioned of course a lot of people probably can maybe find ways to work from home if there were a class of you with the internet but then what about the idea that people aren't moving from let's say nevada with a thirteen percent employment rate to a place like north dakota with only a three percent unemployment rate i mean is it just because it's north dakota. i think that plays a huge role i mean i know that it's kind of funny to say that but who really wants to move to north dakota i'm not trying to say north dakota is a bad place but most people are not willing to move to locations like that just for work and also keep in mind like north dakota has the population of washington d.c. north dakota isn't going to save us from the economic crisis or the huge financial burden that people in our generation have right now thanks to student loan debt there needs to be a better solution to the problem so and also people you know little how
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expensive it is to move to another state moving to north dakota is also going to be a financial burden just because the cost of housing alone and also people from small towns necessarily don't have enough money saved up to relocate to a big city like los angeles or new york i can speak from experience last year i was considering a move to new york you know her there my career and i was like yeah that's not going to happen i just do not have the money to pay for rent in a five hundred square foot apartment so i think a lot of people in our generation really feel that any feel the financial burden of edge you know the education that they pursued and it's a lot trickier to get up and move today than it was let's say forty years ago. here also do you think that we have to take into account the housing bubble and the crash and what happened you know maybe it seemed easier to move from one place to another because it was also easier to to get a house and to get
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a mortgage and then to put other things on your mortgage and you had to leave the notion of more money however bubble like and fake that was. yeah i mean the housing bubble has a lot to do with that i mean when you really think about it are banks really going to loan any type of money or any amount of money to someone who just graduated college has a lot of student loan debt doesn't have a really great job yet they're not going to get the loan for that and then also keep in mind that even renting is expensive and out of reach for a lot of people you know in our age group so i can totally understand why they wouldn't move and a lot of young people right now are looking to the internet to find work you know silicon valley you know is there an online company that they can get involved with and maybe later on if they create or save enough money to do so they would move to san francisco and maybe work for an online company that way i know from speaking to a lot of college students that they're looking for other way you know non
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conventional ways of making money right now because they're looking to see that the job market just doesn't make sense right now for example you know right now people who have a tremendous amount of experience are having a hard time getting employed so if they're having a hard time college students or people in our generation are not going to get hired by these companies they need to find a different way to work and in a lot of cases they look to the internet and they don't see a reason to move away yeah unfortunately you know if you look at certain statistics out there to show you that every step of the way now this generation is going to be affected by this right there they're going to have earned fifteen percent less than counterparts that would have graduated or entered the workforce not during a recession you know but i think we also have to ask one more element here which i thought was interesting that they brought up in this new york times piece which is that if you think about these generations that q. and having to enter the workforce during a recession there is this element of luck that they think that luck plays more of
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a role than just genuine hard work and with your take on that. i completely agree with that i definitely do i mean look at the people who get awarded in our country right now there are people who work on wall street it's celebrities who were able to enter the entertainment industry because they have family members who work their luck has a huge has a huge role in success in this country and it's really unfortunate it has to do with connections it has to do with being in the right place in the right time so i don't blame these kids for being discouraged and also keep in mind that we no longer how this great american dream in this country where you go to school and you work really hard you get a great job i mean it's still possible but it's becoming more and more out of reach because a lot of people who get rewarded in this country with great jobs are people who have the connections for it and at this point even affordable education is out of reach so it's really a really big problem and it's it's hard to shake these kids out of that you know
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discouraged mentality of it that they have right now but i definitely can relate so that and i totally understand what they're going through now it's definitely disheartening but i guess everyone's going to have to figure out a way out of it together and thanks so much for joining us tonight thank you. i will take another quick break but when we come back though the obama cares more about porn and he does children that faith and rick santorum is website for in same articles i'm a working and the f.b.i. is working hard to keep you safe environmentalist's and rest of them are going to be gawkers john you know. you know sometimes you see a story and it seems so silly you think you understand it and then you give them something else here so you saw the part of a.
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