welcome to the ilona show where you'll get the real headlines with none of the mersey are going to live in washington d.c. now tonight we're going to have our monday hangover panel talk one year since intervention in libya how americans afghans view the massacre of civilians as an executive order that president obama signed on friday then there was violence and arrest this past weekend as occupiers celebrated six months since the movement began as a car park so it looks like occupy could be coming back even more determined for an american spring and cia director david petraeus says that all the gadgets out there

that are changing are all the gadgets are out there are changing our notions of identity and of secrecy so we'll see what they can't wait to get their hands on and how companies like facebook are helping the cia you know all that and more for tonight including a dose of happy hour but first take a look with the mainstream media has decided to. so today we finally got some more information about robert bales the american staff sergeant the more than a week ago went on a shooting rampage and allegedly killed sixteen afghan civilians including nine children and three women and in the days since this attack we are a change heard a lot of questions coming from the mainstream media about the war effort as a whole about the strategy there the end game or lack thereof and finally ending the war in afghanistan is an idea that everyone can agree on but aside from that we're now going to go through the get to know the shooter part of the story we find

out about his background his family life everybody asks what went wrong. sometime today the u.s. army staff sergeant accused of killing afghan civilians in cold blood is due to meet face to face with this lawyer army sergeant robert bales now awaiting trial at a u.s. military prison in fort leavenworth kansas formal charges against army staff sergeant robert bales are expected this week a deadly shooting and stabbing rampage at family and friends of u.s. army staff sergeant robert bales say they are stunned but are standing by the man they call a devoted father and husband what caused this otherwise well respected member of the military to barely go berserk the staff sergeant bales was have been sent overseas for time since two thousand and three years to you most likely would play a role in a sentence soon if he was convicted new revelations of murder about the life in the family of u.s. staff sergeant robert bales staff sergeant robert bales was arrested

a decade ago on the misdemeanor charge of assault on a woman bales' attorney telling us it's a tough case because of the political legal and social issues involved the defense pretty much wants to put the war on trial. other number of things that i'd like to bring up tonight to start with like i said the mainstream media has for once been talking about our longest war which usually they're content to ignore but in talking about how this massacre is going to affect the drawdown what it says about the state of our troops there is one element that's been completely left out parts of the base that has a lot who are the victims as we pore over every single detail of the life of staff sergeant robert bales what he was like in high school what by natural stress you had how much time has been spent trying to find out more about this sixteen people that lost their lives i don't find it in the mainstream media unfortunately people care about the sixteen afghan victims less than they do the killer but i'll just put together a list of their names to honor their memory unfortunately for now that's most of

what we know just names but i'm going to read them all out for you. so there are also know also thought of also in the public realm of discussion about this tragic situation and those names are muhammad ali son of a villa. son of muhammad nazar muhammad yet no rabina shattering a daughter of salt and mohammed zorro daughter of a bull honeyed now the daughter of girls mohammed suma daughter of muhammad wiser for rita daughter of muhammad was here a washer daughter of mohammad was here now via daughter of muhammad was here and as much cooler daughter of mohammed was here also fight zula son of muhammad wiser and ethel mohammed son of muhammad hussein off their muhammad son of. those of the sixteen names of the sixteen victims here those who passed away unfortunately for our mainstream media these people just don't matter as much that's why you have to and by juxtaposing the extensive coverage of the killer versus the number that just

gets thrown out there the number sixteen maybe the viewers don't care either so i think that it will take a break this is information that is not easy to come by and it's understandable but now the information is out there now the other thing that i'd like to mention is that we see a large amount of discussion the aims not to justify but to understand what it is that could have led this staff sergeant to do such as think the multiple tours the marriage woes the financial woes the traumatic brain injury but he saw his front leg blown off the day before the massacre and nobody out there is trying to claim that what he did was right to defend it but we do see i think a genuine attempt to understand what turns a normal man into a monster and so once again converse lee we have to ask is this kind if this kind of logic is ever applied to muslims to the local populations that react to a ten year long war and their country a constant massive troop presence drone strikes in other regions watching their friends and their family members die again it's not justifying killing anybody but

let's not forget that this perception game goes both ways and it might. help us understand our foreign policy and its consequences and its successes and failures a little bit better these are all difficult topics that we all need to discuss the names of the civilian victims are something that every channel should show but for now the mainstream media is choosing to miss. our it's time for our monday hangover panel because there is no rest over the weekend the news the events the speeches the wars they don't take days off on monday morning is often a painful reminder of just how much there is going on so tonight we're going to speak more about afghanistan karzai game afghans think if there was a cover up and the g.o.p.

candidate still says that he can't take a stand then it's been one year since the humanitarian intervention that led to a war and regime change in libya and an executive order signed by the president last friday has the internet abuzz over peacetime martial law and an overreach of power we're going to break down some of the facts from the myths joining me for the monday hangover the night is bruce fein chairman of the american freedom agenda and jon soltz co-founder of vote that's not lord and thanks so much for joining us tonight john i want to start with you and i just want to take get your take on what it is that i just started the show with you know this notion that clearly i think we always have in these situations everybody trying to find out every single detail about staff sergeant robert bales but not exactly the same thing when it comes to who the civilians are. i was so hurt by the story i mean i sat there was early in the morning i wrote on my blackberry hurts for a lot of reasons it hurts first off the people who were killed and i think everybody in the military has an obvious or else feels for that but you know

everyone who's been in iraq or afghanistan as work with civilians everyone knows that not everybody is against. yes it's an experience that we've all had it is a difficult battlefield there's a lot of people shooting issue i think you were garcia's personal story yes the press is going to look into this it's never the story is going to end it's a game changer for the war obviously with the president and the president karzai is opinion that u.s. troops in to be out of the villages this tremendous implications to our tactical strategy underground in the course counterinsurgency so. as this plays out we'll find out more information but i certainly think everyone does care i do think you very valid point there that the american press is more obsessed with him than the divisions were killed i'm not quite sure that's the case for the people who are on the ground because they know the implications when the korans were burned american forces on the ground in afghanistan paid with their lives so people that are on the ground in afghanistan right now understand that there's going to be u.s. blood spilled over this incident in the future now but we just you know bring up another point you made though is that i mean karzai last week yes had said that he

wants all u.s. troops to be confined to permanent bases in afghanistan he isn't often going out you know any kind of outreach any more into any of the villages but then i mean you never know with cars iraq has them this weekend he said that the americans are demons that they are satan but then he also said behind the scenes that this means nothing for this through teaching agreement for two thousand and fourteen and he's ok with permanent bases that we do know we do know this track of how many cars this was why the president's plane in afghanistan could work just because you put more troops on the ground afghanistan for a counterinsurgency strategy and that's let me make this really simple you put u.s. forces in villages to create a security arrangement because the indigenous military can't do it then we train the indigenous military who put those in those villages that's always been a bridge too far on the time on the president had originally given us which is twenty four and the second thing i'll say to that is if we're going to go in there and support a democracy which is the same in iraq and afghanistan make no mistake about it the american military mission on the ground afghanistan and iraq was to promote an

indigenous democracy they have a security problem so our forces are providing security when when we do. these things we can't do without the support of the indigenous government karzai as always been all over the map on us support i mean he said last year that he would support pakistan if there was reprisals to the bin laden raid so he's always been a wildcard but the fact is that if you think our strategy has for a long time to not necessarily it wasn't was clear from day one that this is about promoting for us and then he didn't is democracy this is about you never a bad idea for as it were you were right there it is it is true of you here that's a total joke about promoting indigenous democracy that's our goal brought look in saudi arabia we stay allied to them when they're trying to squelch an uprising if you will in bahrain by that she is against the sudanese to you know less oppression if you will and when you have a country like the united states unable even to explain what victory even know what it looks like they say will know it when we see it you know it's a war for the sake of war this is long past anybody who was involved in nine eleven

is lone disappeared from the planet and when you explain why are the civilians who were killed in afghanistan ignored like they were zeros and the perpetrator is the one who galvanizes all the attention this is not the only situation of that sort what about all the civilians that die in the predator drones we never hear anybody would their names how about mr locky sixteen year old son he was vaporized and just disappear how about before the rain scientists who study me were assassinated because they were working on perhaps their nuclear program you know who they are and then we look at anything against the west oh and it's front page story out terrible these other countries are because they behave like human beings like they want to survive but it shows in my judgment how worked the western impression is that the so-called enemy if you will is pakistan or whatever afghanistan they're unable to conceive of the world an even handed way and so they don't understand the

culture they don't understand why they're creating resentments because they're treating the other people like the world is governed by double standards we get one standard we can go in with any country we want with predator drones and that's legal they fight back and it's a war crime i want to switch topics simply too because. a year ago was when throughout through the u.n. security council and not by asking congress let's remember this president obama decided to get us involved and humanitarian intervention is what we want to call it in libya now if you look at libya i mean there's been regime change but it's still a complete mess you have and it's international right now saying that nato really messed up when it came to not investigating not looking into the civilian casualties from nato air strikes that they should actually go in and they should they should pay for that would you also pay well first of all beginning point is correct the president ran an unconstitutional war our united states constitution

says nothing about the authorization for war by the security council or by the general assembly or by the arab league and the president just sneered at the constitution secondly what was the purpose humanitarian war it's almost a contradiction in terms like an oxymoron but moreover we now have a country that's totally shattered it is benghazi or the the the east is already seceding if you will from the transitional national council the amnesty international reported numerous instances of torture wrongdoing towards prisoners who were but the detained we still don't have an accounting for what happened to cut off yourself whether it was just assassinated and what is it our business to go into libya and try to tell them you know how they operate their country if any country came to the united states and said hey we think your government is wrong we want to revamp it for you because you're not treating all your minorities properly we tell them oh really we're starting over our people and that's an example of our you know how are you telling your period is this some kind of indigenous democracy building as well if you start interacting with let's say rebels right or an

opposition to start funding much like the increase of troops in afghanistan the iraq war it's not something i supported there's a big bad habit basic military officers you don't fight your last war there's a tremendous amount of anxiety of whether or not these are strikes could work clearly khadafi was going to bunker down. i think if the u.s. . what would you have done with the. libyan insurgents there because he would have been a huge issue had been tried. we have no idea what happened in that case so i think because they're concealing i think i think there's there's a lot of concerns always about being trained as militaries who we train a lot of the people we train from benghazi against the libyan government or people who fought us in iraq so you know look you're on one side on the other side the other i think there's a real long term dynamics in libya that are installed he has it in for people to think this is over it's worked out for the administration purposes so far but we destabilize a lot of subsaharan africa and governments cut off universe that heavily and sub-saharan africa we have a certain seasonality mali where we had an indigenous democracy led by

a former military leader who ran and was democratically elected in mali and now he has a huge invasion of libyan weaponry in the north where the tribes are at the same assuring niger so it's destabilize other parts of the continent where you had democracy that were evolving so as to get going to be involved as i think is a huge ships were still in i think there's a huge chance you can still see u.s. forces there i mean when you get more of it if you have a stable situation or less stable situation we are now responsible for the status of the way libya is and so on the longer what will be asked of nato to stabilize the country look people thought we were in somalia out of somalia back in somalia we have. you know people thought of going to it was over i don't think we know how libya and i'm not quite sure it's over for us but it it's insane for us to be there what is the national security interest of the united states think of this you know . they're one of the reasons why iran is so fearful of the united states and perhaps wanting a nuclear capability to the so what happened to mr qatar is doing as he renounced

his w m d so we end up now creating countries that are more eager for w m d then before i could think of way to message but my thought just one thing and it's an interesting ask too which is you know if you look at the way that ok fine iraq there were a lot of people who were supporting the war with iraq and then now everyone gets that it was a big. state because it's a war based on lies ten years see and finally everybody except for apparently mitt romney suddenly there is consensus that afghanistan isn't going well and that this war hasn't been worth there and that we need to pull our troops out and so is that just the way that it has to be we just always have to in retrospect realize that we made mistakes years later once we got our hands involved in something that was too dirty too complicated it's very people where's people in kosovo when you look at what we intervene for and i serve there in a civil war situation where milosevic you come down hard and i'll be mean insurgents target civilians we're going to be in the minute the question that no presidential candidate ever answer is when would he engage u.s. forces in combat i don't personally believe that u.s.

forces should be engaged in combat in any humanitarian operation if it specifically limits our ability to project force in the world and we're engaged in iraq and afghanistan it's hard for us to be distracted by the other conflict so you know bosnia work for a simple reason that the warring parties came to the table in the sense that we want u.s. forces there we want a peace agreement we enforced a peace here because users and peacekeeper and he will make or we don't have a peacekeeping mission going on in any place in the world right now what was your observation in someone who speaks how contemptuous and presidents have become about the constitution you refer to the president deciding to run or these wars really under a constitution only congress can authorize the war it shows you how much our republic has fallen into disrepute but secondly if it is really bosnia an example of success we have now we are seventeen years so we have been thousand years absolutely hopeless absolutely you are as me as a seventeen years we are in lowell the war was ended the war was ended absolute evan thousand years after our invasion there are still troops there suppose we did

nothing we didn't use and any of our military resources whatsoever why would do serbia or that be any different or bosnia then the tibetan uprisings or. in china or the wee hours there or chechnya with regard to russia or any other plates. this insane idea that the united states has to go every place in the world with the military if we think that one group is oppressing another is the universal international policeman mentality that will get us into everywhere and i want to be about everywhere i go i realize how the grass is about of course is an advertising guy is a positive was successful whether or not you agree with me that what i was eighteen years old but it works that's the bottom of it i guess i have to wrap it up but i also have to just ask one quick question about this executive order because i know that some of our viewers are curious about it there's a lot of talk on the internet people think it means peace time martial law but cleared of forests real quick what it is how it's been fine but i don't know if the

super this problem ever heard of the president puts the moderates the department homeland security so we don't have to train again i mean that's all i really had but it's makes it subject to a statute that may be a good variation of what's called the insurrection act that means the president can declare a state of emergency and use the military there but remember even before that when the president signed the national defense authorization act in the words of senator lindsey graham he brought the battlefield to the united states but the final hours later years think of what it is here that something that i somehow or the clinton signed terms of if we have some kind of a national emergency that you if that's where we started if you don't like it or as it is already signed he says you can organize on the military side effects are about i think that's really nice but i really got to wrap it up i want to thank you both for joining me tonight if you think you. are it's time for a first break when we come back i know it's rough but it's a heart over the weekend. protesters only think month anniversary of the occupy wall street movement so we can speak with molly napal co-host of radio dispatch

that saw it all comes down. to the. people calling what you said for free and fair elections. again we're still reporting from the lines right you can hear behind me a loud explosion telling. me .

you know sometimes you see a story and it seems so for like you think you understand it and then you glimpse something else and you hear or see some other part of it and realize everything you thought you knew you don't know i'm sorry welcome to the big picture.

this saturday march seventeenth marked six months since the occupy movement began and while the winter months have been fairly quiet the events this weekend give the impression that spring will be anything but on saturday night hundreds of people in new york try to re occupies a coffee park making with food blankets there were chants and it was a heavy police presence first person accounts of said the police were punching protesters stomping on shoulders and arms violently choking people want twenty three year old woman mcmillan reportedly had a broken rib by arresting officers and then while handcuffed such suffered a seizure as the police stood by and watched during a later march through lower manhattan an occupy medic was shoved so hard by police that his head cracked a glass door. at

least seventy three five or seventy three people were arrested throughout the night so we have to ask what this means for occupy will this be an action packed spring joining me to discuss this mauling f.l. co-host of the show radio dispatch so i thank you so much for coming on tonight and i know that you were there on saturday night so if you can first just give us you know a recap or from your perspective what it is that happened how it all went down. thank you for having me so i got saturday night at around eleven i actually wasn't there for the daytime protests are the daytime occupation that had been there had been a small number of arrests but nothing out of massive scale and when i got there at eleven the mood was very much a mood of celebration of almost i mean it felt like jubilation everyone was hugging everyone was dancing it was very silly everyone was was just kind of hanging out it felt very laidback i spoke to many people when i got there who said well everybody

is just dancing and having fun so i think i'm going to head out things were pretty calm about eleven thirty. in i couldn't tell whether it was brookfield security or whether it was a police officer came in with a megaphone and began speaking to the crowds but there was hundreds of people and so it was very difficult to hear and i was about ten feet away and i couldn't hear and so at that point i went to a police officer to ask if a dispersal order had been given and that police officer said that he didn't know and i looked behind him on liberty street on the north side of the park and there was about fifty police officers with us standing on the street at that point i went to another police officer a white shirt and said has there been a dispersal order to people to leave the park he also told me that he didn't know. very shortly after that the police had basically lined the perimeter of the park and kind of moved in and started arresting people it was

so many it was that i would say hundreds of police officers all i could see was blue they were grabbing people at random they were grabbing the people who had sat down and locked arms about a hundred people had sat down there also grabbing people at random punching them throwing them down very violently arresting them and then dragging them on to put them in mali let me let me interrupt you first i guess for i know that you've been following this movement for months now do you think of the police were more violent than you seem to be in the past. it's tough to say because there's been a lot of violence and there certainly have been violent arrests before but i think what made saturday night feel different was the swiftness of the police action the dispersal order was given which again i was ten feet away and i couldn't hear and basically minutes after. it was complete chaos in the park and in terms of the violence definitely for me as a first hand you know witness it was some of the most violent arrests i had seen i

saw people who after they were arrested were put face down on the sidewalk and not put into police vans after the police vans were full and so there was. a barricaded section of protesters who were just lying on the sidewalk face down in handcuffs people were screaming as they were being arrested. people who had clearly had marks on their face had clearly been kicked one person was screaming that his had been broken and that he thought his trial was broken and so i believe that there has been other incidents as violence in the past this felt in terms of the massiveness of it felt like an escalation and so what do you think i mean you know where is it going from here on out does this mean that the occupy movement is back now the weather's nice they're going to going full force but then the same time it looks like the police are going to be coming back just to strong you know do you think that we're really going to see this escalating see a big american spring or whatever you want to call it. it's difficult to know i

know a lot of occupiers have been using the phrase american spring and in terms of the sheer numbers of it very much felt like a kind of resurgence. never really want to wade but it was certainly quieter over the winter months and march seventeenth felt like a dramatic kind of beginning for occupy and it was definitely something to take note of that not only was this a kind of new bigger numbers in the park celebration type of day but also there seems to be. a disproportionate police response in terms of the spring i mean there is going to be a lot of actions i have faith that there's going to be all the same people who have been consistently occupying in the past and probably more numbers now that it is and so i hope this doesn't mean that it's going to be an escalation in terms of the police tactics based on all evidence from march seventeenth it wouldn't it wouldn't

seem. to believe it now i want to ask you i want to show you a quick clip from fox news because if you look at a lot of the new york tabloid papers if you watch fox news today they felt that there was one big takeaway from the weekend so take a look. york city police now investigating a twitter tweet allegedly close to doing this weekend's occupy protest in lower manhattan here's what it said we won't make a difference if we don't kill a cop or two david lee miller was all right so there was somebody from florida that sent this tweet about killing a cop which is by no means ok but it was some random person in florida and they weren't talking about the fact that seventy three people got arrested and all these people were getting beat up what do you think. well i think that the mainstream media has a very hard time understanding the idea that no one person speaks for occupy and

doesn't have that one tweet could never speak for occupy. any anybody can identify as an occupier and i think that it's not surprising at all that the mainstream media would latch onto a kind of i think random. tweet like that as opposed to covering the arrests i mean even some of the. less explicitly conservative coverage of the events on saturday night. dozens of protesters arrested when we're talking about seventy three i mean that's over sixty thousand so it doesn't seem to be a little bit misleading and when you have this footage of a woman in handcuffs having a seizure and a medic whose head is used to shatter glass i think that it's not surprising to see the mainstream media kind of divert the attention to something that makes the occupiers violent arm i want to thank you for joining us tonight thank you for having me.