breaking the deadlock russia says it's ready to back u.n. action on syria and those in the peace plan put forward by the world envoy to the country. thousands are killed and over one hundred injured in the latest spate of violence across iraq just one day off for the ninth anniversary of the start of the u.s. led invasion. and thousands of workers in the u.k. left struggling to find employment among justice officers learning they were placed on a secret police back to blacklist. stuff to preserve state for the moment so i'll be back with another summer in half an hour from now in the meantime it's the only show for all the latest from washington stay with us for that.

welcome to the lower show we'll get the real headlines with none of the mersey are coming live out of washington d.c. now tonight we're going to have our monday hangover panel one year since intervention in libya how americans afghans view the massacre of civilians as an executive order that president obama signed on friday and it was violence and arrest this past weekend as occupiers celebrated six months since the movement began it's a comedy part so it looks like occupy could be coming back even more determined for an american spring and cia director david petraeus says that all the gadgets out there that are changing are all the gadgets are out there are changing our notions of identity and of secrecy so we'll see what they can't wait to get their hands on and how companies like facebook are helping the cia remember all that and more

a few tonight including it's us of happy hour but first take a look with the mainstream media has decided to miss. so today we finally got some more information about robert bales the american staff sergeant the more than a week ago went on a shooting rampage and allegedly killed sixteen afghan civilians including nine children and three women and in the days since this attack we are a change heard a lot of questions coming from the mainstream media about the war effort as a whole about the strategy there the end game or lack thereof and finally ending of the war in afghanistan is an idea that everyone can agree on but aside from that we're now going to go through the get to know the shooter part of the story we find out about his background his family life everybody asks what went wrong. sometime today the u.s. army staff sergeant accused of killing afghan civilians in cold blood is due to

meet face to face with his lawyer army sergeant robert bales now awaiting trial at a u.s. military prison in fort leavenworth kansas formal charges against army staff sergeant robert bales are expected this week deadly shooting and stabbing rampage a family and friends of u.s. army staff sergeant robert bales say they're stunned but are standing by the man they call a devoted father and husband what caused this otherwise well respected member of the military to barely go bizerk staff sergeant bales was heaven sent overseas for time since two thousand and three years to most likely would play a role in a sentence and if he was convicted the revelations of birds of a few life in the family of u.s. staff sergeant robert bales staff sergeant robert bales was arrested a decade ago on the mr minor charge of assault on a woman bales' attorney telling us it's a tough case because of the political legal and social issues involved the defense pretty much wants to put the war on trial. are there

a number of things that i'd like to bring up tonight to start with like i said the mainstream media has for once been talking about our longest war which usually they're content to ignore when talking about how this massacre is going to affect the drawdown what's that about the state of our troops there is one element that's been completely left out of space that says a lot who are the victims as we pore over every single detail of the life of staff sergeant robert bales what he was like in high school what financial stress he had how much time has been spent trying to find out more about the sixteen people who lost their lives or you won't find it in the mainstream media unfortunately people care about the sixteen afghan victims less than they do the killer and i'll just put together a list of their names to honor their memory and unfortunately for now that's most of what we know just names but i'm going to read them out loud for you. but there are also know also thought of also in the public realm of discussion about this tragic situation and those names are mohammad dahlan of dual who died who died

a son of mohammad juma nazar mohammad i again though rabina shot arena daughter of salt and mohammad darawshe daughter of a dual honeyed not the daughter of dust mohammed was summa daughter of mohammad was or a rita daughter of mohammed was here awash a daughter of mohammad was the or not be a daughter of mohammed was here and as the toilet daughter of mohammad was also five zula son of mohammed was there and at the mohamad son of mohammed same author mohammad son of morata ali i was a sixteen names of the sixteen victims here those who passed away unfortunately for mainstream media these people just don't matter as much that you have to infer by juxtaposing the extensive coverage of the killer versus the number that just gets thrown out there the number sixteen may be the viewers don't care either they think that it won't get good ratings this is information that is not easy to come by and it's understandable but now the information is out there now the other thing i'd

like to mention is that we see a large amount of discussion that aims not to justify but to understand what is the could have led the staff sergeant to do such a thing the multiple tours the marriage was a financial woes a traumatic brain injury and he saw his friends leg blown off the day before the massacre and nobody out there is trying to claim that what he did was right try to defend it but we do see i think a genuine attempt to understand what turns a normal man into a monster and so once again can virtually we have to ask this is kind of if this kind of logic is ever applied to muslims to the local populations that react to a ten year long war and their country a constant massive troop presence drone strikes and other reasons watching their friends and their family members die and then it's not justifying killing anybody but let's not forget that this perception game goes both ways and it might. help us understand our foreign policy and its consequences and its successes and failures a little bit better these are all difficult topics that we all need to discuss in

the names of the civilian victims or something that every channel should show but for now the mainstream media is choosing to miss. our time for our monday hangover panel because in our world there is no rest over the weekend the news the events the speeches the wars they don't take days off on monday morning is often a painful reminder of just how much there is going on so tonight we're going to speak more about afghanistan karzai double game afghans think if there was a cover up and a g.o.p. candidate still says that he can't take a stand then it's been one year since the humanitarian intervention that led to a war and regime change in libya and an executive order signed by the president last friday has the internet abuzz over peacetime martial law and an overreach of

power so we're going to break down some of the facts from the myths are joining me for the monday hangover tonight is bruce fein chairman of the american freedom agenda and jon soltz co-founder of boat or. thanks so much for joining us tonight john i want to start with you and i just want to take your take on what it is that i just started the show with you know this notion that clearly i think we always have in these situations everybody trying to find out every single detail about staff sergeant robert bales but not exactly the same thing when it comes to who the civilians are look i heard the story i mean i sat there was early in the morning i wrote on my blackberry hurts for a lot of reasons it hurts first off for the people who were killed and i think everybody in the military who's in afghanistan right now feels for that you know everyone who's been in iraq or afghanistan has worked with civilians everyone knows that not everybody is against. yes it's an experience that we've all had it is a difficult battlefield there's a lot of people shooting at you i think you're garcia's personal story yes the

press is going to look into this it's never the story's going to end it's a game changer for the war obviously with the president. the president karzai as opinion that u.s. troops in to be out of the villages is this tremendous implications or tactical strategy on the ground in regards to counterinsurgency so. as this plays out we'll find out more information but i certainly think everyone does care i do think you bring up a very valid point there that the american press is more obsessed with him than individuals who are killed i'm not quite sure that's the case for the people who are on the ground because they know the implications when the korans were burned american forces on the ground in afghanistan paid with their lives so people that are on the ground in afghanistan right now understand that there's going to be u.s. blood spilled over this incident in the future now let me just bring up another point you made is that i mean karzai last week yes and said that he wants all u.s. troops to be confined to a permanent bases in afghanistan he doesn't want them going out doing any kind of outreach any more into any of the villages but then i mean you never know what cards iraq is in this weekend he said that the americans are demons that they are

satan but then he also said behind the scenes that this means not paying for this through teaching agreement for two thousand and fourteen he's ok with permanent base but we do know we do know this fact i'm a part of this was why the president's plan in afghanistan could work just because you put more troops on the ground afghanistan for a counterinsurgency strategy and that's let me make this really simple you put u.s. forces in villages to create a security arrangement because the indigenous military can't do it then we train the indigenous military would put those in those villages that's always going to bridge too far under the timeline the president had originally given us which is twenty four the second thing i'll say to that is if we're going to go in there and support a democracy which is the same in iraq and afghanistan make no mistake about it the american military mission on the ground in afghanistan and iraq was to promote an indigenous democracy they had a security problem so our forces are provided security when when we do. these things we can't do without the support of the indigenous government karzai is always been all over the map on us support i mean he said last year that he would support pakistan if there was reprisals to the bin laden raid so he's always been

a card but the fact is that he was our strategy has for a long time too not necessarily it wasn't clear from day one that this is about promoting president indigenous democracy that's about you know regret that idea for as it were the right there is going to have you here that's a total joke about promoting indigenous democracy that's our goal abroad look in saudi arabia we stay allied to them and they're trying to squelch an uprising if you will in bahrain but that she is against the sudanese to you know less oppression if you will and when you have a country like the united states unable even to explain what victory even know what it looks like they say will know it when we see it you know it's a war for the sake of war this is long past anybody who was involved in nine eleven has long disappeared from the planet and when you explain why are the civilians who were killed in afghanistan ignored like they were zeros and the perpetrator is the

one who galvanizes all the attention this is not the only situation of that sort what about all the civilians that in the predator drones we never hear anybody we know their names. the sixteen year old son he was vaporized and just disappear how about the forty reigning in science is to suddenly were assassinated because they were working on perhaps their nuclear program we don't know who they are and then we look at anything against the west oh and then it's front page story of how terrible these other countries are because they behave like human beings like they want to survive but it shows in my judgment how warped the western impression is of the so-called enemy if you will this or pakistan or whatever afghanistan there are unable to conceive of the world an even handed way and so they don't understand the culture they don't understand why they're creating resentments because they're treating the other people like the world is governed by double standards we get one standard we can go in with any country we want with predator drones and that's

legal they fight back and it's a war crime i want to switch topics with me too because. a year ago was when through out through the u.n. security council and not by asking congress let's remember this president obama decided to get us involved and humanitarian intervention is what they want to call it in libya now if you look at libya i mean there's been regime change but it's still a complete mess you have amnesty international right now saying that nato really messed up when it came to not investigating not looking into the civilian casualties from nato air strikes that they should actually go in and they should they should pay for that would you also say well first of all beginning point is correct the president ran an unconstitutional war our united states constitution says nothing about the authorization for war by the security council or by the general assembly or by the arab league and the president just sneered at the constitution secondly what was the purpose humanitarian war it's almost

a contradiction in terms like an oxymoron but moreover we now have a country that's totally shattered it is the the the east is already seceding if you will from the transitional national council amnesty international is in florida numerous instances of torture wrongdoing towards prisoners who are at the detained we still don't have an accounting for what happened to cut off himself whether it was just assassinated and what isn't our business to go into libya and try to tell them you know how they operate their country if any country came the united states and said ok we think your government is wrong we want to revamp it for you because you're not treating all your minorities properly we'd tell them well really we're sovereign over our people and that's an example of our empire in the u.k. i do very it has to have some kind of indigenous democracy building as well if you start interacting with say. horrid opposition funding much like the increase of troops in afghanistan the iraq war it's not something i supported there's a big bad habit basic military officers you don't fight your last war there's some

out of anxiety of whether or not these airstrikes that were clearly could offer was going to bunker down. i think if you. soldier had done what the. libyan insurgents to the gadhafi would have been a huge issue to try. we have no idea what happened in that case so i think because they're concealing i think i think there's there's a lot of concerns always about being trained as militaries who we train a lot of the people we train for the guys the against the libyan government or people who fought us in iraq so you know look you're on one side on the other side the other i think there's some real long term dynamics in libya that are so i'd be hesitant for people to think this is over it's worked out for the administration purposes so far but we've destabilize a lot of subsaharan african governments cut off you invested heavily and sub-saharan africa we have certain cities now like mali where we have an indigenous democracy led by a former military leader who ran and was democratically elected in mali and now he is a huge invasion of libyan weaponry in the north where the two eggs are at the same issue in niger so it's the stabilizer part of the continent where you had

democracies that were evolving so as to they're going to be involved i think is a huge shift we're still in i think there's a huge chance you could still see u.s. forces there i mean when you get more of it if you have a stable situation or less stable situation we are now responsible for the status of the way libya is and so on the long haul what will be asked of nato to stabilize the country look people thought we were in somalia out of somalia back in somalia we have. you know people thought of going to see it was over i don't think we know how libya and i'm not quite sure it's over for us but it it's insane for us to be there what is the national security interest of the united states think of this you know ratification of one of the reasons why iran is so fearful of the united states and perhaps wanting a nuclear capability because they saw what happened to mr gadhafi is doing is he renounced the way m d so we end up now creating countries that are more eager for w m d then before i could think and write a message that my thought is just one thing and it's an interaction i asked you which is you know if you look at the way that ok fine iraq there were

a lot of people who were supporting drum up to war with iraq and now everyone gets that it was a big. because it's a war based on lies ten years see and finally everybody except for apparently mitt romney suddenly there is consensus that afghanistan is it going well and that this war hasn't been worth there and that we need to pull our troops out and so is that just the way that it has to be we just always have to in retrospect realize that we made mistakes years later once we got our hands involved in something that was too dirty too complicated for people where there's people look at kosovo when you look at closer we intervene for i serve there is a civil war situation where most of it should come down hard and albanian insurgents target civilians we intervene in the name the question that no presidential candidate ever answers is when would he engage u.s. forces in combat i don't personally believe that u.s. forces should be engaged in combat and humanitarian operation that specifically limits our ability to project force in the world when we're engaged in iraq and afghanistan it's hard for us to be distracted by another conflict so you know bosnia work for a simple reason that the warring parties came to the table and he said we want u.s.

forces there we want a peace agreement we enforce the peace or there's a huge terrorism in peacekeeper they will make or we don't have a peacekeeping mission going on in any place in the world right now one year observation in some way bespeaks how contemptuous the presidents have become about the constitution you refer to the president deciding to run your duty towards really under a constitution only congress can authorize the war it shows you how much our republic has fallen into disrepute but secondly if it is really bosnia an example of success we have now over seventeen years that would have been teen years absolutely hopeless absolutely me as a seven years with lowell's a war with nor was ended absolute evan teen years after our and they're still troops there suppose we did nothing we didn't use in any of our military resources whatsoever why would do serbia be any different or bosnia then they could bet not

writing's or. china or that we got ours there or chechnya or with regard to russia or any other plates. this insane idea that the united states has to go every place in the world with the military if we think that one group is oppressing another is the universal international policeman mentality it will get us into everywhere in a way the idea that there were no idea life how the aggressive avatars are advertised bosnia was successful whether you agree with me that what i was eighteen years old but it worked that's the bottom are again i have to wrap it up but i also have to just ask one quick question about this executive order because i know that some of our viewers are curious about it there's a lot of talk on the internet people think it means peace time martial law but just cleared up for us real quick what it is how it's been financed i don't know it's the stupidest brought ever heard of the president puts you underneath part of homeland security so we have katrina i mean that's how i relate to it but it is it makes it subject to a statute that. variation in what's called the insurrection act that means the

president can declare a state of emergency and use the military there but remember even before that when the president signed the national defense authorization act in the words of senator lindsey graham he brought the battlefield to the united states but the point i was living here is think that what it is here that something that i somehow or the clinton signed in terms of if we have some kind of a national emergency that you if that's the result of a good thing like that or as it is already signed he says he can organize and the right to decide that and i think that's really what i really got to wrap it up i want to thank you both for joining and i do thank you. our time for first break and we come back it's a rough it's hard over the weekend police clashed protesters on the six month anniversary of the occupy wall street movement so we're going to speak with molly co-host of radio dispatch the song off of down and back.

well. technology innovation all the developments around. the future however. this saturday march seventeenth marked six months since the occupied with began all the winter months have been fairly quiet the events this weekend give the impression that spring will be anything but on saturday night hundreds of people in new york try to re occupies a coffee park they came with food blankets they were chants and it was a heavy police presence first person accounts of said the police were punching protesters stomping on shoulders and arms violently choking people when twenty

three year old woman says they mcmillan reportedly had a broken rib by arresting officers and while handcuffed such suffered a seizure as the police stood by and watched during a later march through lower manhattan an occupy medic with jobs so hard by police that his head cracked a glass door. at least seventy three five or seventy three people were arrested throughout the night so we have to ask what this means for occupy will this be an action packed spring joining me to discuss it is molly natural co-host of the show radio dispatch well i thank so much for coming on and i know that you were there on saturday night so if you can first just give us you know a recap or from your perspective what it is that happened how it all went down. thank you for having me so i got to saturday night at around eleven i actually

wasn't there for the day time protests are the daytime occupation that had been there had been a small number of arrests but nothing on a massive scale and when i got there at eleven the mood was very much a mood of celebration of almost i mean it felt like jubilation everyone was hugging iran was dancing it was very silly everyone was was just kind of hanging out it felt very laidback i spoke to many people when i got there who said well everybody is just dancing and having fun so i think i'm going to head out things look pretty calm. and thirty. in i couldn't tell whether it was brookfield security or whether it was a police officer came into the night before and began speaking to the crowds but there was hundreds of people and so it was very difficult to hear and i was about ten feet away and i couldn't hear and so at that point i went to a police officer to ask if a dispersal order had been given and that police officer said that he didn't know

and i looked behind him on liberty street on the north side of the park and there was about fifty police officers with us standing on the street at that point i went to another police officer a white shirt and said has there been a dispersal order to people need to leave the park he also told me that he didn't know. very shortly after that the police had basically ran the perimeter of the park and kind of moved in mass and started arresting people it was so many it was the i would say hundreds of police officers all i could see was blue they were grabbing people at random they were grabbing the people who had sat down and locked arms about a hundred people had sat down there also grabbing people at random punching them throwing them down very violently arresting them and then dragging them on to put them in mali let me let me interrupt you first i can see i know that you've been following this movement for months now do you think of the police were more violent than you seem to be in the past. it's tough to say because there's been

a lot of violence and there certainly have been violent arrests before but i think what made saturday night feel different was the swiftness of the police action the dispersal order was given which again i was ten feet away and i couldn't hear and basically minutes after. it was complete chaos in the park and in terms of the violence definitely for me as a first hand you know what it was some of the most violent arrests i had seen i saw people who after they were arrested were put face down on the sidewalk and not put into police vans after the police vans were full and so there was. a barricaded section of protesters who were just lying on the sidewalk face down in handcuffs people were screaming as they were being arrested. people who had clearly had marks on their face had clearly been picked. a person was screaming that his had been broken and that he thought his trial was broken and so i believe that there has

been other incidents as violence in the past this felt in terms of the massiveness of it felt like an escalation and so what do you think about i mean you know where is it going from here on out is this mean that occupy movement is back now the weather's nice they're going to going full force them to same time it looks like the police are going to be coming back just to strong you know do you think that we're really going to see this escalating see a big american spring or whatever you want to call it. it's difficult to know i know a lot of occupiers have been using the phrase american spring and in terms of the sheer numbers it very much felt like a kind of resurgence. i never really want to wade but it was certainly quieter over the winter months and march seventeenth felt like a dramatic kind of beginning. and it was definitely something to take note of that not only was this a kind of new bigger numbers in the park celebration type of day but also

there seem to be a disproportionate police response in terms of the spring i mean there is going to be a lot of actions i have faith that there's going to be all of the same people who have been consistently occupying and the past and probably more numbers now that it is warmer and so i hope this doesn't mean that it's going to be an escalation in terms of the police tactics based on all evidence from march seventeenth it wouldn't it when. they still believe it now i want to ask you i want to show you a quick clip from fox news because if you look at a lot of the new york tabloid papers if you watch fox news today they found that there was one big takeaway from the weekend so take a look. here at city police now investigating a twitter tweet allegedly posted drawing this weekend's occupy protest in the lower manhattan here's what it said we will make a difference if we don't kill

a cop or two david lee miller like. there was somebody from florida that sent this tweet about killing a cop which is by no means ok but it was some random person in florida and they weren't talking about the fact that seventy three people got arrested and all these people were getting beat up what do you think. well i think that the mainstream media has a very hard time understanding the idea that no one person speaks for occupy and occupy doesn't have that one tweet could never speak for occupy and that any anybody can identify as an occupier and i think that it's not surprising at all that the mainstream media would latch onto a kind of i think random. tweet like that as opposed to covering the arrests i mean even some of the. less explicitly conservative coverage of the events on saturday night said dozens of protesters arrested when we're talking about

seventy three i mean that's over sixty thousand so it doesn't seems to be a little bit misleading and when you have this footage of a woman in handcuffs having a seizure and a medic whose head is used to shatter glass i think that it's not surprising to see the mainstream media kind of divert the attention to something that makes. violent arm i want to thank you for joining us tonight thank you for having me. take another break when we come back you said i read it and then the cia is getting about the idea of spying on you in your own home and i tell you how they might do this and that. the british scientists are. sometimes.