going to be a lot of show where you get the real headlines with none of them or see come alive in washington d.c. now then i will ask if we should believe the current n.s.a. director or former n.s.a. employees who say if agencies building a huge new hub to gather not only international intelligence but also to monitor your communications then despite the massive criticism towards the n.y.p.d. for its surveillance program some within the muslim population support the agency's moves we're going to host the debate to see what exactly it is that divides the

community and for the for profit industry they're promising growth could be investors we're going to show you the troubling power point presentation we're going to have all that and more for your night including a does of happy hour but first take a look with mainstream media has decided it's. art so today i'm going to keep it brief but if you haven't noticed everybody is talking about a new budget for twenty thirty in the paul ryan released yesterday. representative paul ryan is chairman of the house budget committee and he released what he calls his path to prosperity plan. congressman paul ryan's proposed budget for two thousand and thirteen and he's there for a bigger slice the headline is lower tax rates and a total overhaul of medicare but some headline is if you believe any of those things are actually going to happen it's

a ninety eight page budget which calls for spending cuts two tax brackets of ten and twenty five percent of the budget is shaping up as a key political issue in this election year it looks right now as essential large transfer in which a sense of largely health care for poor people is paying for tax cuts deficit reduction and increased defense spending it's not actually clear that you could ever get congress behind the kind of medicare overhaul that ryan is proposing medicare is not the biggest part of the budget savings it isn't even the second biggest part of the budget savings things like the bowles simpson commission were for was a degree of balance and the degree of shared sacrifice and his budget just disappoints deeply lower taxes reining in excessive spending the talking points we've been hearing all along has the right. are it's i wasn't necessarily going to even bring the budget up because just like the budget that was last year it's not necessarily going to go anywhere but it does give you a really good insight into the republican party's mind the hypocrisy the militarism

certain cases the resulting stupidity let me explain yes paul ryan's budget wants a huge overhaul of medicare he wants to slash taxes and these are all things that we already know about where the party stance when it comes to defense right is also making sure the defense is going to go back up again even after those cuts that everybody in congress signed onto last year after the debt deal was made so he's going to find some funding somewhere else aka social programs. but here's a great piece of insight that was pointed out by the cable of foreign policy while the defense budget arise from five hundred sixty one to six hundred three billion by two thousand and sixteen and ryan's dreamworld international diplomacy and development which it slashed as it would be slashed every year starting from fiscal year two thousand and twelve where it's forty seven point eight billion and by two thousand and sixteen it would be down to thirty eight point one and you know why this matters why it's kind of scary well just think of all the stuff that's going on in the world right now u.s.

foreign policy have a war in iraq that's finally been wrapped up although i can't exactly say that ended well there considering there have also been attacks in recent days it is claimed responsibility and you have the war in afghanistan it's turning into a bigger mess every day with the fallout from the koran burning a massacre of sixteen civilians and you know the whole ten years of war part shadow wars in yemen pakistan somalia you have war drums beating louder every day for a conflict with iran and let's not forget that there are always the fear mongers over china's rising power the cold warriors who don't want to cut out nuclear weapons because they still think that russia is a huge threat and yes this is a simplified version but clearly there are a lot of conflicts relationships whatever you want to call them it's geopolitics despite the massive failures of our global war on terror over the last ten years this budget just wants to increase defense spending and reduce international diplomacy and development efforts and this is one of those noninterventionist ways of looking at things it's clearly choosing more weapons and bombs over diplomacy

and this is the route on which all ryan all the other war hawks one take this country and it's a scary world and these guys just want to keep bombing it or you could say that it's a scary world because these guys just want to keep bombing it. now one last had become to point out the cable have a giggle at two in ryan's budget he wants to cut one out of every ten federal workers because he forgot to think it through that that means that you know all those employees working for defense and related agencies yeah they also count it's gutteral workers and there's a lot of them so you could be saying goodbye to about one hundred thousand right there doesn't quite make sense but the rescue plan does it and we're going to stop there but will be really nice that the mainstream media wall obsessive we covering this budget could notice what this means for how the republican party wants us to approach the world but unfortunately they choose to miss.

earlier this month bamford published report of wired exposing the n.s.a.'s massive new complex that they're building and kill you talk a two billion dollar jadick gathering big brother sounding like up a complex five times the size of the u.s. capitol for the purpose of intercepting ciphering analyzing and storing vast swaths of the world's communications but according to bamford's three sources all former n.s.a. employees the world communications that includes those americans and one of the sources says that we're close to a turnkey totalitarian state and the reporters raise a lot of eyebrows it sounds a lot like the bush administration's total information awareness program that was killed by congress in two thousand and three because of privacy concerns so yesterday as a chief general keith alexander had to face off with members of congress for questioning here's an example.

if dick cheney were president and wanted to keep. waterboarding every american who's. been sort of these well known mishaps. oh what i would like to know is does the sea have the technological capacity to. change their shoes or used to put two of their emails yes and no. i want a question and of itself may sound a little funny like alexander saying if the n.s.a. does not have the ability to do that within the united states that we believe them well joining me to discuss this if he even webster senior editor of raw story thanks so much for joining us tonight even and i guess before we talk about this hearing necessarily it was said let's go back to the original story the bamford row and you know what was your biggest takeaway some of the things that you found i guess most troubling about what they're planning on doing with this just gigantic

massive n.s.a. complex that they're building well obviously to me what's most troubling is that we have to rely on but insiders speaking to intelligence reporters who spent their whole careers covering this. you want to find out what our government is doing. numerous lawsuits of yours for privacy and so it's really turned out not much because the government is consistent even to claim state secrets as you suits this mess but that will secrecy is disturbing to me it also bothers so in that sense when we see general alexander testifying before congress i mean he is testify but he's saying that no we don't have kept asking to do that now not necessarily saying that we never did or we didn't in the past he's talking about the president do you think that i mean you know because we have whistleblowers speaking out because of certain things we learn in the past or in the bush administration that we have

a right to be skeptical there. of course well wiretapping political opposition reporters democrats was the reason why impeachment proceedings and you know the nixon administration but in this modern age we're right seem to have rethought. we pretty much knew what it was all of those crimes the bush administration particularly. had to cope with a lot of controversy after president bush himself claimed all wiretaps require a warrant when in fact it was revealed later yes it had been wiretapping was the last year or without warrants so they had to go back in a minute i support process once the secret court that allows them to even go through the rule changed allow them to issue or i'm sorry once after the fact. it was an unprecedented power grab and essentially enable what's happening happening now which many would argue goes also get mrs merrett. but now one of the answer is

that general alexander haig there was that we don't do this if we don't have the capability and if somebody wants to do it at home it's the f.b.i. that fills out the paperwork they go as and cats the warrant and so in that sense i mean i guess we get it as both make us feel any better if it's a family's doing it's just that the i don't worry they're going to a judge can we even be so sure. sometimes we can be but even then it's not that it's our boys we seem to. own research on privacy issues before so really what we're looking at is you know a lot of you were concerned about who heard in all their services and individual privacy contracts well this is time playing for the u.s. government u.s. government's intelligence. sims are sharing information so it could prove well. in order to enable an n.s.a. system to wiretap somebody but we don't know but it's not just the government

agency is right what we found out is that this is private industry that's also in part not only the companies out there that are actually creating some of these technologies but it's the telecoms that worked with the n.s.a. you know to help with this in the past then who were given legal immunity and so now if you think about it if you look at whatever it is written to the telecoms are still helping them monitor all of your communications every step of the way and so in that sense you know what do you think we can do is there are other kind of accountability that we can hope for or is there just not really a difference anymore between private industry and you know our national security agencies. well there's still a pretty big difference between private industry to national security agencies there are efforts in congress right now that are put to merge america with the n.s.a. under the auspices of cybersecurity and that's reason lot of worms with p.c.

oh you who want you know the n.s.a. is not really allowed to operate in the united states so we should have that sort of insider community and or cyber spends under a more accountable civilian agency and i think that's a very reasonable at cern but it's also reasonable to say that cyber threats to publish your research or have overall look at stocks not look at what the israelis blow somebody not release we don't know a little what was done to iran's nuclear facilities with a computer virus i think that we. have a heightened that i think we might have given theory there yes ok great thing that happened in a bit back to finish your answer there you're talking about technique and what it's done yes well just look at why starts now sorensen a better program signing them for years in order to be destroyed maybe faster and

research this is this is not just a virus this is an additional weapon and other weapons like this will emerge or if they haven't already so we need to be able to space these emerging threats then he changes and in our cyber security policy but it's very reasonable to say that merging program merican the n.s.a. like congress has proposed is a very dangerous thing we know that it hasn't happened already. yeah i'd say that it's pretty scary too and you know i mean if you think about this facility it's five times the size of the capital they had to increase the city limits just to even build this thing it had its own water pump and self-sustaining you know if something happened to go on for three more days and the energy a lot of energy that it's going to cost is about forty million dollars a year so you know do you think that most americans when you talk about the need to you know safeguard our infrastructure they think about five k. those costs are all worth it who would from anyone from this is that because it

sounds awfully like it grows or it sounds like somebody picked up a copy or in just decided to use those are in books and that was start. this thing in the. satellites. and then you have to be on the internet you could be having a conversation on encrypt your credit and they would know what you're talking about and that's an unprecedented level of intelligence. essentially prostitutes and you move around projects under way. of course as we saw yesterday. just denies everything and so we really don't know what's going on. yeah and i think that you know you're right in the sense that unfortunately i have to rely on whistleblowers or just the passing of time to find out about these things that's a scary thought given thanks so much for joining us tonight so it's my pleasure.

now think back to january when we saw protests all over europe because the anti-counterfeiting trade agreement was notable protests came about when thousands gathered in front of the european parliament office in warsaw and the international agreement combines piracy and counterfeiting honor one nice little umbrella and supposedly a global effort to stop counterfeit goods music to software to sports apparel and it's been an ongoing effort for about six years now all this worked out behind closed doors and so far almost all of the e.u. so also australia new zealand canada morocco singapore and south korea have signed on oh and by the way president obama also got on board last year by signing an executive green it without ever talking it over with congress seems like it's got a funny how do these days now here's the best part is that we're not even really supposed to know about it the government says it would be a violation of national security to tell the public about these international agreements we only learned about it as a shared through the whistle blowing web site wiki leaks so as you can imagine as

word got out a lot of people were none too happy and it's and explained in a previous interview that people want to be involved when it comes to issues that are important to them like the way. that obama the agreement signed last year and when he he did it he did it without the need for congressional approval because he said was operating within existing u.s. law and i think that what we find out especially once we saw what happened with the protests against open pippa is that the u.s. public does want to be more a part of these conversations because at the end of the day if you notice something that we all use that it's something that we're all part of. correction on the name that was adam clarke as to the point is there is a lack of transparency isn't the only concern activists also said that signing off on this was lost the us government guidelines that could prevent them from revisiting the issue of copyright reform and even though we were kept in the dark

about this agreement or if you can go in washington there trying to look out for some of the ron wyden it happens to be one of the facts he's going to try to put his foot down after by using an age old trick sneaking an amendment into a jobs bill from house republicans now on a side note i think that it's unfortunate another side of the problems within our political system when these amendments are tacked on the larger bills that have nothing to do with them so we have to take this with a grain of salt but word has it the wind efforts are already gaining attention from both sides of the aisle so what are these efforts well oregon senator plans to include two amendments and the first one would ban a president from entering a legally binding trade agreement with oust insulting congress and this is a direct response to have on the court and why it has included language to make this retroactive for accept the second amendment with some back the secrecy around the process and call for more transparency by the u.s. trade representative so the everybody knows what their government is getting involved over as our second four points out why the second amendment would also force the u.s.t.r.

to publicly acknowledge another agreement they're working on called a trance of civic partnership that partnership made with nine other pacific countries was supposed to enhance trade between the group rumor has it it's going to have a language that even broader than what we found and accept so i guess we know why it's rumor right now but i also think that everybody should be allowed to know what the u.s. might be agreeing to write the bigger point here is the lack of transparency the secrecy around these agreements and abetted finding anybody that for maybe the copyright holder but it's not right to keep people in the dark about what their governments are signing into law so i don't necessarily like the method that weiner is using to keep out there from becoming official i do appreciate the fact that somebody in congress is at least trying to call attention to it. outside our first break of the evening but when we come back the numbers are speaking out in favor of the n.y.p.d. widespread spying program across the north we're going to cut the power.

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they're completely disconnected from the viewers and from what actually matters so that's why young people just don't watch t.v. if they want news they go online and read it and we're trying to take those stories that people actually care about and transfer them back to t.v. . is the state run english speaking russian channel it's kind of like. russia today has an extremely confrontational stance when it comes to us.

then why bt has been taking a lot of heat as an investigation by the associated press is over the last month revealed the extent of the agency's surveillance program post nine eleven and the extent that was monitoring communities and individuals based on their religious monitoring business owners frequented by muslims muslim students in universities across the northeast even sending an informant on a rafting trip and it turns out the n.y.p.d. was stepping outside of its jurisdiction and conducting surveillance in new jersey without notifying notifying local law enforcement or the threat something which is contributing to a growing rift between the f.b.i. and the n.y.p.d. now these are clear civil liberties violations if you go after somebody solely for their religion and outcries cause the justice department to look into it but there is a group of muslim journalists activists out there some people that only support a painting and y.p. for their actions to talk about this division within the muslim community here to discuss it with me here is progressive journalists lonnie and. standing alone an

american woman's struggle for the soul of islam i want to thank you guys of both for joining me tonight and so also i want to start with you because i think that this is maybe the minority view or definitely the view that we hear a lot less up and so why is it that you want to defend their actions you know i've been a muslim that's growing up here in america and i call one number if i'm in trouble and that's going on because we are not a police state we're not a state where we have to worry about police i think we do in other countries and i think that it's fundamental to realize that we have an idiology inside of our muslim community that unfortunately our own people have not policed well enough and so we should work with the n.y.p.d. and instead of correcting them instead of criticizing actually work. position and actually try to clean up our own communities which we failed to do and then white is the first line of defense in new york city for so much of what is

already how and why should i feel. n.y.p.d. has been correcting to do i think of the justice department might agree with me because they're looking into it he said with her take oh i certainly think that you know it was definitely speak up in their community against extremism and terrorism is that every community should i mean that's sort of imperative in what's happening in communities but i think what's problematic about what the n.y.p.d. did is that they basically laid out maps of. very just various places that american muslims sort of frequent to sort of surveil now there's really three problems with that one there is an ethical and moral problem that we're americans we don't target people just because of race or religion or ethnicity or culture there's this sort of the tactical problem the tactical problem that the dragnet you're creating is too huge you're going to miss a lot of people if you if you sort of create a specter of just sort of targeting one group of people a few years ago i had the opportunity to work with your partner homeland security and actually help train people to sort of locate sort of terrorist activity terrorist surveillance and we never mentioned rate race or ethnicity because we knew it was in effect that we knew that we would be missing the next eric rudolph

or the next graphic you know in norway if we just targeted one race or ethnicity and finally there's a strategic problem one out of every three related plots since nine eleven have been foiled by help of the muslim community coming forward and talking to the f.b.i. talking to the police department and saying these are the tears we don't want them in our community please help us and i'm i'm afraid that if you if you make these people feel like they're singled out if you make american muslims feel like they're being unfairly looked at and like their shots are being infiltrated just go there bob shops and i'm afraid they'll start coming forward and working proactively with the police department with the f.b.i. if you're not really you know not sure what's your take too because some of the stuff that we hear is definitely not complimentary for example today there was an interview in the guardian a former informant this guy had been in southern california had given to them and he said that he regretted that he felt like he entire purpose was entrapment and he said he got to the point where he was even asking the f.b.i. you know should i sleep with these muslim women and then record the conversations

that we have and they are saying yeah yeah go go for it and do it and so you know why wouldn't back create mistrust and fear and just the last segment you talked about the value. and i think if you want to call an informant a whistleblower it takes on a completely different. cultural communication effect you know right now we can talk about a mis informed it seems like it's problematic but the truth is any time playing at low level let's be honest because a lot of these informants what happens is they're actually pressured into these things because they have the i get something out and they say that if you don't help us then we're going to expose an affair you're being honest about reality whatever it is right on a deeper level means a family's from pakistan and from karachi and having lived in karachi also having worked with the pakistani police there they do surveillance on their mosques because they know that inside of our mosques we have any ology that does sanction sexism violence and extremism now if it's the russian mafia and you know that there is hanging out somewhere you're going to target them based on issues of economics

if it's a colombian drug cartel same issue if it's a blank panthers or if it's a white you know extremists you're going to do the same thing and so to take this kind of approach that you know we can't look at muslims or we can't look at certain ethnicities i think is very naive and doesn't take into account the really serious threat that we've got from within the muslim community but have we actually seen you know this threat materialize we hear about it a lot we had peter king hold hearings on capitol hill he's still doing it on homegrown radicalization and yet the same time you know the statistics don't necessarily back it up there's one for this is that i think peter king sort of already was that there's been twice as many sort of terror plots from nine muslims there been from muslims and eleven now i you know i certainly think that if the police it's out that there is possibly extremism this must go sort of the most that's perfectly fine but if you really must just because there's muslims there they suspect of being you know maybe involved or something because they're muslim i

mean that would that sort of borders on a civil rights violation i mean no one would accept in saying that we need to surveil all the synagogues because we suspect they jews as a people or as a religion are doing as are all christians are and unfortunately i don't think the departed justice would really. allow that sort of kind of because it is a civil rights violation and in the united states law enforcement typically does not behave like that and that's why you have sort of a moderate mayor a great mayor cory booker newark who is outraged about this and you also have a far right wing governor one of the most you know outspoken right wingers in the country chris christie was the governor of new jersey he also said this is completely unacceptable it's bush in new york city is a city has plenty of crime if you're going to be focusing on this because you think muslims inherently have some sort of problem going to this a lot of rapes going to sort of that violent crime but honestly it's just not the way to do it is not the way that we did it department of homeland security what i hope working with and i hope that the n.y.p.d. learns you know not only from this but their conduct of the occupy wall street protesters that they're sort of overstepping the sort of the line the logical and what sort of good policing we're seeing in

a lot of areas that when it comes to environmental activists animal rights activists occupy wall street protesters that a lot of the time fortunately they do start just bought assuring people and they're really so we reasons and you know there's no rethink their silly and they've mentioned a couple times i don't know hungry for dinner yet but the point is that in karate the police have a surveillance over student for jani a restaurant because they know that the guys hang out there just like when we monitor the italian mafia perhaps there would be restaurants maybe have watched a few too many got these but nonetheless restaurants are places of gathering and so there are a lot of jokes about doing is that you know to restaurants in new jersey the truth is that the men who were involved in the first world trade center bomb bombing and the second world trade center bombing organized got their ideas and collaborated in mosques and so that's why we in our muslim community have to recognize that these

places are not sacred to those who have all teary motives that are various and we need to monitor ourselves and if we don't do it because we have a culture of denial and we have to work with the police and stead of trying to shut them down and protest their. hating on ok i've got i got a rap in a second do you think there's a culture of denial so i mean is that fair i don't think the stats really back it up and implies you know if you know there's a terror plot being plotted a mosque or joe's crab shack go to the but don't target them just because their mosque or theirs that's just not logical policing right i want to be we need to be realistic because we don't know how what the police know i want to thank you guys both for joining me you know i mean i think it's something that concerns a lot of americans at the same time we do have our civil liberties and certain values in this country that. the n.y.p.d. that the feds are all supposed to. respect. thanks so much for joining you. aren't.