welcome to the lower show at the real headlines with none of the mersey are coming live in washington d.c. now it's not going to ask what happened so diplomacy has been left up to a few rare voices to call for caution with a wrong with russia on militarism in general then as the intricacies of the affordable care act are debated in supreme court we're going to ask if it still leaves the country without an answer to its health care debacle and his european leaders say their crisis is nearing an end and u.s.

officials are pointing to signs of recovery if any of that matter as long as zombie banks are still around you know all that morphy tonight including a dose of happy hour but first take a look at the mainstream media has decided to. our guys so today we're going to start being a little bit differently but i still like to be in the show earn it's not that different hello hello there we go right yesterday i thought about the mainstream media's lack of that little thing called an attention span we sure are a little big on stories of racial social criminal injustice for a few weeks if there is one that fits the perfect medium old but then unfortunately they move on they forget about it and it's as if it never happened and the one thing that they've actually put in pretty consistent at however is really fanning the flames of fear every time if there is an attempted terrorist plot let's be honest very often f.b.i. planned terror plots that's been foiled. the man accused of making quite problems

in his new york city apartment is in custody this morning on several terrorism related charges and according to court records mohamed said he had been interested in since he was in early teens twenty seven year old jose pimentel allegedly wanted to bomb the police and u.s. troops returning from the war this tape of an n.y.p.d. test damage he could have cost now these models which are about the tenth the size of a real plane would have been filled with a plastic explosive undercover agents busting for dos as he waited for delivery of what he thought included grenades machine guns and explosives nineteen year old one hundred us model home it was a teen and shoes to go are you guys know they go big on that stuff all day as we've learned thanks to investigations by other news organizations magazines blogs the civically one done by wired danger room and a counterterrorism training at the f.b.i. and local law enforcement agencies have received is incredibly problematic. an

f.b.i. training presentation which claimed mainstream muslims sympathize with militants training material saying things like islam transforms a country's culture into seventh century arabian ways in a series of slides and titled strategic themes and drivers in islamic law it says the prophet muhammad the assassinations and executions of his critics the mohammad's mindset is a source for terrorism guy for world nut daily is now doing training for the f.b.i. for the f.b.i.'s counterterrorism officers the view is that there can be no peace between islam and others until darl islam conquers and assimilates its adversaries . now unwired first broke that story can't say that it was huge news it was not every network but look it was covered and that's impressive considering we rarely see the other side of things as they are not how many homegrown terrorists we need to fear but it's in how there are fake terrorism experts were raving around training our law enforcement agencies and bigotry and what's really enforcement is

there there are new results to this story and ones that are going to plead under covered see the f.b.i. had to do an internal review after these documents surfaced and after six long months it's finally been completed and the results are disturbing to say the least not only do we see nassib misinformation being spread but also log breaking civil liberties offenses to be specific they showed the f.b.i. targets agents that they could sometimes quote bend or suspend the law in their hunt for terrorists and criminals some of the training ward agents against shaking hands with asians and said the arabs were prone to quote jekyll and hyde temper tantrums and perhaps worst of all despite all of these results the review did not result anything will disappoint any action for any instructor it didn't mandate the retraining and have any f.b.i. agent and it didn't look at any intelligence of course that may have been influenced by that training now we know all this thanks to wired stage room

following up on the story despite the for. if the f.b.i. had no plans to disclose the entire results of this inquiry but nobody else out there seems that bothered or shocked about these results because apparently well they're completely ignoring that i once again of leighton's disregard for civil liberties is what we see in ability to follow up on a story and see it all the way through especially when the results are so damning i guess that it's just so much more fun for the mainstream media to stoke fear flash mugshots across the screen that is to admit that our own offshoring is are the ones often bending the law and infringing upon our rights that's what they choose to miss. all these days the voices calling for calm caution diplomacy they seem to be few and far between senator harry reid trying to pass a new round of iranian sanctions through the senate without allowing any debate or any amendments but that failed because of a blocked by some of the rand paul and all these sanctions were geared towards

penalizing firms for iran related activities of their foreign subsidiaries as well as anybody that would provide equipment to run the aids censorship or human rights abuses language also formally stated that the us policy is intended to prevent iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon so paul aims at an amendment that would make sure that the use of any military force but have to get congressional approval and have this to say about it on the floor. i'm amazed that the majority party objects to an amendment that simply restates the constitution our founding fathers were quite concerned about giving the power to declare war to the executive they were quite concerned that the executive could become like a king many in this body cannot get boots on the ground fast enough in a variety of places from syria to libya to iran we don't just send boots to war we send our young americans to war. you've got

a point and student so do with more than eighty retired military officers and written a letter to congress urging the body not to go along with paul ryan's plan to cut things billion dollars from development and diplomacy all simultaneously beating up to france but why are these voices the ones asking for diplomacy in the minority joining me to discuss that more studio in new york it's got horton and there on legal and national security matters for harper's magazine scott thanks for joining me and we have a couple things i want to break down tonight but first just overall i mean are you with me if you look at what's happening you know with iran if you look at this move by paul ryan in the budget if you look at mitt romney what he's saying towards russia here like diplomacy is just couldn't be any farther away from these people's lives. oh i'm with you absolutely i mean i think you know the united states had a long history through the nineteenth century first of the twentieth century of using cluster spoke lomas see as a tool to meet national security needs and i think what we've seen over the last

over the last several decades but really especially over the last ten years is a deterioration of that tradition and we see that especially in congress where people have all the money that they can muster for guns and bombs but nothing for diplomacy they want to pull back there and i think i also think rand paul in pushing this amendment is also right on the money you know during the two thousand and eight campaign charlie savage then from of the boston globe put the question to barack obama he asked him. can the president bomb around without first getting congressional approval setting aside cases where iran had launched an attack first and obama answered very clearly no but last year we had the example of libya in which the president certainly did that here to that

limitation and we have more recently president obama's speech before apac and which he is playing up his willingness to act unilaterally and certainly nothing was said about getting congressional approval and attacking iran to eliminate their nuclear capability so frankly it would be foolish if congress didn't take the sort of step the rand paul is advocating have a distracting is that rand paul is the only one it's doing it right if you listen to harry reid people don't say it the reason that they want to push this through without any amendments about any debate is because he was concerned that people both on the right and left wanted to tack on amendments not that would be limiting powers but that would just make the sanctions even more heavy duty and basically we told them is that we don't have time for this and don't worry because once it's done our you know went once we get this the sanctions through we're still not done with iran sounds like they have big plans. big plans well they don't have time for

it i mean let's go back and look at what happened a year ago a little bit less than a year ago now when the first steps were taken against libya the senate adopted a resolution trying to bully obama and to action and then when he did activate didn't have time for deliberation for speeches on the floor or for an acting or resolution they ignored the matter so frankly i don't buy that i will have to go there with me now when it comes to the you know the budget and i spoke about this before on the show it's very obvious to me what path you're taking if you're choosing to cut money from development and diplomacy and then keep beefing up the defense budget but then you have these more than eighty retired military officers that are writing a letter to congress say please can you pay attention to that this isn't the way to do it and so then who is polygraph listening to you know when he when he comes up with these kind of decisions and. well i think it's strange when

you think back to the age of dr strangelove and you remember all the journals of all the generals were sitting around the table advocating use of the bomb at the drop of a hat and what we see in america today is just exactly the reverse it's a politicians who advocate that especially people out on the campaign stump and the generals are actually models of decorum in reserve and i think what we see in this list of eighty generals and they're very very senior retired figures they understand from their own experience in the military that diplomats can achieve things that they can't and if they need that diplomatic leverage and presence to accomplish the military missions they have so that's very very foolish to pull back on that i mean just think about from their perspective having a status of forces agreement having base rights having the right to fly over other countries all these things are dealt with by diplomats and let's not forget the

idea of avoiding conflict to start with you know the big issue in the background in washington today about afghanistan is military policy versus diplomacy and i think there's a pretty broad acceptance now that a serious mistake has been made over the last private years and putting military tactics up front and neglecting diplomacy and politics i think they call brooke was arguing that it was a mistake he did that very very privately and now i think almost everybody including those people who are on the other side of him are a knowledge ing that he was right. i want to ask you lastly before we go to you about mitt romney right so we've been seeing this back and forth ever since this between president obama advantage of and romney double down he wrote an op ed in foreign policy magazine called belling to the kremlin and he said basically one of

the lines is it's not an accident that mr medvedev is now busy attacking me the russians clearly prefer to do business with the current incumbent of the white house which i mean to me it's like oh yeah he's president he's the one that's been president for four years that's actually been working with russia when it comes to reset and you start what not but mitt romney we also do a little background here so he said the russia is the greatest show turns out that in the past he has also called china the greatest always also called iran the greatest he's also pointed to islamic jihadism as the greatest foe so you know what do you make of all these his moves here. he's a real opportunist when it comes to greatest poses me you know i think his comments really make obama's point i mean obama's point was when we get close to election cycles all this stuff gets demagogued in and political discussion in washington that's exactly what's going on but the issues between russia and the united states

could not be more serious in fact these two countries have more than ninety percent of the thermo nuclear devices in the world it's an arsenal that skilling very very old it's very difficult to maintain this stuff technologically there is a really compelling need for some agreements to reduce the size of this force and to get rid of the old and obsolete materials for us and this sort of crass political rhetoric is standing in the way of it i think that's the reason why barack obama says we've got to get past the elections before we can that's a shame for russia the united states in the world now i think of shame for american thing because i think a parent there think about after so many years of war i think that everyone else would also like everyone to calm down a little bit scott i want to thank you so much for joining us tonight. great to be with you our time for a quick break but when we print when we return it looks like the obama health care mandate and very likely be overturned by the supreme court that often not have

people from all sides of the political spectrum sharing a lot of a conundrum that is our health care system after every. guitar sometimes you see a story and it seems so for life you think you understand it and then you glimpse something else and you hear or see some other part of it and realize that everything you thought you knew you don't talk i'm tom harpur welcome to the big picture.

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you why are we saying. we have to discuss the n.y.p.d. systemic violations of civil liberties by wall street crackdown stopping first procedures excessive use of force surveillance without probable cause the profiling of racial and religious minorities and policing outside the city and state but tonight in a struggle to keep the n.y.p.d. accountable we have a glimmer of hope to see a lot of times offending n.y.p.d. officers they get off the hook because internal affairs investigations are farcical the people in charge of prosecuting and judging this create officers have been new york city police officers exactly impartial observers are they well now there's been a change to that it's a billion complaint review board will now be prosecuting over zealous and like he officers thanks to an agreement between the city council the mayor and my p.d. commissioner ray kelly now before the thief the r b they've merely receive the complaints it determine if they were substantiated and then hand them over to the

police for judgment and so on surprisingly bad to get off the hook more often than not according to an advocate group called citizens union between two thousand and two and twenty ted see c.r.b. recommended the maximum punishment for two thousand and seventy eight officers that punishment was billed out only one hundred fifty one times so based on the odds here little what happened when officers committed acts like the. and it's not just brutality against occupy wall street concerned that might be the scrutiny surveillance of muslims liberal groups corruption cases the integrity of crime data and stop and frisk practices of all have citizens clamoring for more oversight and in fact just today the new york civil liberties union filed a federal class action lawsuit against the department for their stop and frisk stop

and frisk policies and civil liberties advocates contend that four million innocent new yorkers were unjustly detained between two thousand and four and two thousand and eleven and the group also says an operation called clean halls which allows police to put a part of buildings largely populated by blacks and latinos under siege of n.y.c. all use executive director donna lieberman said that for residents of clean halls buildings taking the garbage out shaking the mail that can result in being thrown against the wall and humiliated by police untold numbers of people been wrongly arrested for trespassing because they had the audacity to leave their apartments without i.d.'s or visit friends and family who live in clean halls buildings but if these new oversight regulations work out police overreach might not have to be contested in federal courts thanks to the c.c.r. these new powers granted us ago and it isn't exactly earth shattering for one to see c.r.b. awaits the funds to properly staff its new prosecution unit secondly police department officials will still serve as judges on the cases and finally

commissioner ray kelly will still keep to veto the c.r.b. decisions but this new oversight does have powers that are significant kelly is going to have to explain in writing his reasons for vetoing decisions the board itself and the board can appeal teles veto now these changes might not cause the department to stop misbehaving overnight but a supreme court associate justice louis brandeis once said sunlight is said to be the best of disinfectants electric light the most efficient policeman and this new found transparency should help new yorkers more effectively police abuse of cops so in that ray of sunlight there is a glimmer of hope. and this week at abate over the affordable care act has taken center stage here in washington as the supreme court by the last three days or arguments each day they focus on different aspects and whether or not a court can rule on the legislation at all because the penalty has run into effect yet yesterday the most crucial day questioning the constitutionality of the individual mandate and today the question as to whether or not the rest of the law

can still stand if the mandate is struck down but a bit of a mandated but interesting lot of people on the left and the right in opposition so the end of the day if it does or doesn't get struck down where does that leave us are there any real solutions to america's health care debacle or discuss this with me as republican presidential candidate fred karger and kevin zeese co-director of it's our economy and the organizer of the national occupation of washington d.c. gentlemen thank you both for joining me tonight for starters this is a really big deal when's the last time you can tell me that you saw a supreme court case get this much attention we know it's been like forty five years since we've ever seen a five have six hours of oral arguments allowed to be held but i mean really this is a huge deal for gore yeah ok so election here is basically of lawyers saying this becomes a little election and supreme court decision that's going to affect the president and it's toast it's over we might as well just start planning

a new policy and i think it should be left to the states we've had a success in massachusetts i give governor romney credit for that i think each state is very different we should have a fifty state plan i like what maryland has done under their program where they contain costs of procedures so i think we go back to the drawing board this was a compromise it's we made no one happy and i think we start over we do it quickly so you think it's closed do you think it's telescope i don't really want it to be he has a literary close question comes down to justice and he showed both sides. you know when he talked about his being for the military increases in government and where is a stop where is the line what else would make us buy. why don't we start to see that maybe the insurance industry is different that we can stop you could just be one event my hope is that they find it unconstitutional and he was wrong for the government to tell people to buy some corporate product i disagree that we should go to the states and we have a fifty state solution there is an evidence based solution exists for the united states and throughout the world medicare is that the most successful part of our

health care the most efficient part of health care people on medicare excellent and it's a single payer system where you have a private delivery system so doctors hospitals nurses and private but you have a public funding system and the reason that works is because you have a big funding pool and that's what makes it official are before we get into this is interesting so we have we have left and we have a right that all think of this is unconstitutional let me just throw maybe a few of the justifications you know some of the legally is that we heard from justice briar yesterday he gave this hypothetically disease is sweeping the u.s. forty million people are susceptible of whom ten million wild i can't be federal government say that all forty million and occupation i mean does that make sense you think about the good legal argument for why the mandate should stand i think that's a good argument for single payer i mean the problem the mandate is it doesn't solve the problem even the best estimates for the mandate leave us with twenty million uninsured in ten years just last week the congressional budget there was

a report that showed the twenty million employers are going to get rid of their insurance their employees so you're going to lose twenty million people they are too with medicaid is shrinking rather than expanding it's not going to cover the people who promise it is this the real issue with this bill or the size of the it's not a solution we have a solution we're going to do is take two words out of the medicare long law over sixty five straight those two words we have a national plan that's approvingly effective it's an existence this is one hundred sixty five it works it works it works so i don't say we're good in this case are we not going to get anywhere even if this constitutional mandate is over you know if it is overturned we have single payer. and then we have let it let it all be left to the states and we just can't afford to insure every single american by the federal government standard or take care of every single american as a federal government i think we need to return it to the states there are things that can be genuine to lower health care costs too there's a lot of fraud out there we talked about medicare there's certainly a lot of medicare fraud health care is changing we have nurse practitioners now

working out of big stores walgreens and cosco those people can get health care at least at the initial stage through through practitioners and then prevent these astronomical health care costs and then something i've advocated my campaign and i even give away frisbees all over this country we need to get sick america needs to take care of itself we need to concentrate on diet and exercise and i've been advocating that that will prevent a tremendous amount of health care costs and put much less pressure on our government to take care of so many americans i don't play a clip because you know what basically what they were discussing today to you is that if the mandate is struck down there are some parts of this legislation that are incredibly popular i think the latest poll from new york times c.b.s. said that eighty five percent of americans support this rule that you cannot be denied health insurance because of you know because of preexisting conditions the bad when mitt romney said last night i think like. people with preexisting conditions they've been insured before they're going to be able to continue to have a child suppose they were never well if they if they're forty five years old and

they show up and they say i want to get a heart disease it's like hey guys we can't play the game like that you got to get insurance when you're well and then if you get ill then you're going to be covered . reaction. well he sure knows it put his foot in the mouth pretty regularly and i think you know that so in fact i don't think the master's law is working all that well tell you the truth there are robbing from the public health system to fund the subsidies for insurance and so it's really not working all that well it's going to it's actually the bankruptcies in health care in massachusetts have continue to be staggeringly high people with insurance two thirds people with insurance who have a health crisis and up in bankruptcy even if they haven't surance i just think if you look at the facts fred and i know you have been campaigning for years so it's hard look at facts i know it's hard when your campaign look at anything but if you look at the facts what you're going to see is that a fifty state solution won't work you you want the biggest pool possible in order and you can do it doesn't stop experimentation of the states you can allow

flexibility the state level but you need to have a fifty state payer system so everybody's in nobody's out most efficient medicare has a three percent overhead health insurance is a sixteen to seventeen percent overhead plus they have a lot of bureaucracy to doctors and hospitals and businesses and consumers and make it make up thirty one percent of the cost of health care we need to get rid of the insurance industry get them out of the middle between doctor and patient that would give us the most freedom by the way fred i want to throw i want to float an idea for a way to her talking about this concept of everybody being in rather than choosing if you want to be a part of it this is something of value with you think brought about yesterday and so you know she talked about how a lot of this came because of the concept of liberty is the government imposing upon your liberty by mandating that you buy health insurance but after looking at the arguments that the supreme court justices heard after listening to what they said she got the opinion from the conservative viewpoint that you know in america's

highest court freedom seems to be less about the absence of constraint and about the absence of shared responsibility community or real concern for those who don't want anything so much as healthy children are to be cared for when they're. so when you say that when there shouldn't be just one point that everyone is a part of i was saying that i don't want to dirty my hands and help you know i think we need to offer basic health care to everyone of this country we're not sweden we're not great britain when i can there were three hundred seven million people so it becomes a big challenge i want to open up competition i don't i while i'm not a fan of the insurance industry i think the insurance industry with competition there are only three providers in california for me to choose from as a california resident let's open up one hundred sure it's going to bring costs down that way and i think i have faith in the con and. the public sector and private sector working together but i think we need to do it in the states i think we can work very well with the states pick them as it was playing which is different there

than in new mexico where we would have a different way and what's nice about some care for competition switches the doctors competition for the best doctors opposed the best insurance policy that's where the competition should be are going to have to wrap and i want to thank you both for joining me and i think that this is the problem right this is the fundamental problem in america that it's not solve that some point because he's going to go broke and yet you know it took how many decades for us to get here and to get it finally in into a piece of legislation add to the supreme court and still nothing will be solved all right thanks for joining us. we have another short break when we come back he said and i read it and then he kind of europe is back from the brink but doesn't really matter when a zombie banks are still alive and well in which. wealthy british sino. to.