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hello again and welcome to spotlight and to show art and i'll bring our band today my guest christian ballad. in hollywood movies we often hear about a mysterious and thrilling thing called witness protection. it gives the witness a new life new identity sense people overseas in exchange for a few words in court. it's intriguing in real life of course in many countries the witness protection do exist or it doesn't work well partly due to low international cooperation so what can be done to improve we're asking the europol officer in

charge of witness protection christian pal who came to russia to share experience. to one extent or another the witness protection concept exists in most countries and judicial systems usually require during trials against organized crime where defendants world their accomplices meet date witnesses thanks to hollywood the us to witness protection program is the best known in the world it's really very widespread and well developed but the largest witness protection world belongs to the europol the e.u. criminal intelligence agency. so most of our welcome to the show thank you very much for coming thank you for pleasure for me to be here thanks well as first of all i want to check that with you the recent report that we got on the wires today it says that lately the

europeans are seeking harper a shit with russia in terms of hiding witnesses on russian territory and that an agreement on this could be signed so is it true and is such a witness protection program. may conclude russia realists and so we read a european law enforcement agency in cannot russia. in the witness protection programs and. that we support the russian federation and get their low point. action. in a moment we are far away from. relocate witnesses from the russian federation country of the european union why serious are. we being law enforcement agency just who made. it they will open and standardize how many eyes screw the actual procedures around the world so this is so big news that

witnesses from western europe can be relocated to russia to protection these reports are not true i mean if if. there is a p literally dreaming. country in the group and the russian federation bendis can become everything that reply think you think it may make sense because you see what the reason i'm asking it's very difficult to hide an afro american in the eskimo village so it is that it will be pretty hard to tell i have a french woman or an englishman in siberia well. so to relocate. from country to another country is always based on principles and standardized you see just. one of the principle is that. none of the witnesses will be

placed in another country without having reached an agreement to be thought it isn't totally right to comment think it will make no sense at all to place somebody who's speaking out with the directory of people. will make sense and it also needs to be negotiated. with the witness we do business with units detailing them relocation can take place maybe russian witness from europe maybe related to russia. this list maybe makes or also russian business country. western europe if since you are here in moscow talking to russians to russian counterparts and up as a permit this it mean that you discussing this witness protection program and are you sharing some experience in our russians interested in such program and all. i

can tell you that we started this this project from the rupee in order for an agency together with the russian federation started up in two thousand and eight it is in the framework of the cooperation agreement that we have with the russian federation based on the strategic agreement that we have for yourself or duration and russia russian authorities ask your ball to support your pivotal point of view. actually i was and it is a pleasure for us to support. your priorities to develop. such since because we're in the opinion that it needs to be harmonized at least to be standardized. if the russian federation is willing to take over. the existing standards that were really. existing in grouping trumpery so i'm not supporting

it respect. your. discuss in those same in us respect this is we tell them. how systems are running in different countries in the european union and there is no need for the russian federation to reinvent the wheel because there are already countries who have a lot of experience in their specific field and our approach is always. telling the russian federation how it should look like because you have to find your own very run with this protection program. we're showing you. those different possibilities and you take out of these programs those pieces it fits in your legislation can you explain to us the importance of witness protection is it true there are very large percentage of

crimes i remain and published because of the reluctance of the witnesses to testify in court is that true and what is that percentage do you have the figures i cannot . tell you figures that would be very serious but what i can tell you is that the last decades. police authorities around the world are confronted with very different forms of crimes. during pick twenty years it was very easy appear easy but we have to follow certain procedures to investigate a crime nowadays we are confronted with new technologies we are confronted with facebook we are confronted with. and transfer money from one country to run through to another country is only to press a button. and it's there so we have to rectify this so that means that especially

described and serious crime. is not to investigate those old times therefore we must protection is. to be seen is a cornerstone in the fight against crime until recent because you need somebody from inside of the organization to justify it in a court against this group is there any country or some countries in europe where the situation is worse in terms of pressure on the witnesses by the criminals or who are intimately. know that there are there is no country in europe we are you can place on the top but. witness protection is. a must for. all the countries of europe in union and they're probably ok in that

sense can you give us an example maybe there is a country where some countries where the witness protection program is the best is example really as good a this is a good question because very easy to answer because there isn't a place to release protection program each country is that they will open its own people protection program according to its needs because the needs are different so for example the russian federation is a completely different approach. for the rest of the european countries with this protection is appalled you is. a special picnic fight against organized crime and there is a scrum. you need the russian federation you approach this also to protect chechen was a cupla of the british prisoners who are under threat it is not the approach of us you're looking only for for us is witness protection for the most western european

countries is witness protection of last resort in the fight against organized crime one i want charlie would movies you know when a person testifies in court and then is promised witness protection they tell it will change your intented you'll get a new passport and you know how we will and will move you to a different part of the country and there isn't a country in the media places to hide a person but i will always start a person has a job young has a job he makes money has a family want at least somebody to care about if he moves he will most probably lose his job so what is happening in europe and this is getting a sort of. compensation for folding is job it did because he lose money anybody had to pay the bills except. one of the principals in the western european countries as we got to witness protection is. a fair trial. that requires people

to not we cannot compensate replace if he's willing to testify in court for a crime has to prove. not be a very fair trial quote country music's all right but you're right he has to have. the skills to pay school fees for his kids this will be compensated this is can you but this is based in the majority of the western european countries. regulations and it will for you so this is related to you says chris chambers our project harden later for witness protection had you. god spotlight will be back shortly after a break so stay with us the place to. play . so for resistance

a new job the rates of. rates of leukemia for example a thirty eight songs expect. breast cancers more than sen's on stroh's cancers fourteen times i will forget the exact details but the shoes is not nothing that you have ever found in any epidemiological study can be read here it is a weapon that brings victory. to its creator. he's not alone some are more severe than others we have something that is born without skulls without organs and sometimes with their legs totally missed blood means death to those who it's point it's such. an. ounce to those who choose to spend it. and the celebrates and they don't realize that stand looking at their own future concept and. this is just.

it's so sad. i have. leakage and i'll show you the extent for much i have leakage. i fit in it's kitchen dates in believe me oh just came along with the execution date is enough in a day to go through my life right. now with fifty percent of the people here i feel that fish are not. like you know living in order for words like. this it's like here we execute our convicted capital murder we have the highest execution rate in america we're not afraid to do it we do it well. comes

a point when. i have no hope. i will get a letter to be executed next week that is here scary moment for using no you can lose here i want to be appearing to be in a manner of me saying actually it's time to go see the artwork. and i would lead them into the. gas chamber. i would stay until after labor day. welcome back to spotlight i'll be not just a reminder that my guest on the show today is christian about where project hardware for witness protection at europol is tomorrow we talked about this witness

protection program and sharing experience with the russians as a matter of fact how expensive is this realizing i will have the witness protection program how much does every protective witness cost you it just cost it should come to a. pretty significant sum of money. as opposed to before so it was a protection. against. the western countries. are the last resort because i think it's the right screws and you cannot reach the court severance you have to replace the pick because of the witness protection program so witness protection is a very expensive. special mission missing from distributions. and therefore the rest of the country is limited.

our resources with some capital protection that means. if you would like if we take somebody replace protection program then he has to feel superior how close is the european national police and judiciary how close are they each other and to you in the realization of this. you mean hearing yeah i mean here how closely yes yes the judiciary the police and in your organization for it in a lot of countries are you in luxury position you're in the russian federation do you have criminal law you have one country one police authority you're not in the lottery. position in the union view of twenty seven countries around us we have fifty seven different. laws we have a lot of it for agreement proceedings therefore it's. not easy to

cooperate but in the majority of our countries in europe because protection is driven only by the police it's a police mission. police is responsible for running such a program from so different from your country you're in the russian federation you have involved a lot of ministry minister of defense finance. state security of its. maybe point four four people open in the future this place having agreements with europol russia is not a member of your organization but since you are here i would like to ask you how close are you with the russian police how closely connected and are you are you moving in a direction now out of becoming. closely tied i mean in

a joint fight against against international crime the russian federation is important but what was of all for europe also for the group in law enforcement agency. it is clear that we have a close cooperation also with the russian federation state of play right now is that we have currently in place in the so-called strategic cooperation agreement with the russian federation instead we cooperate and it may be exchange strategic paper on crimes on trains on you that which is. taken force from europe will play russian for the ration and from the russian federation we are you know unfortunately agency. we have a close cooperation when it comes to truck related crime disappear we exchange

also strategic data bank and force. and we will have. much more closer cooperation in the future research. negotiation on growing between russian federation and europe or this we've got through racial improvement. this operation like remember which will be in place. in the future. will allow us and this is a milestone in the corporation and with us this will allow us to cooperate much more closer meaning to him to exchange with your country personally rather than our other examples of any joint criminal investigations with the russians is a told you so far we need to pick wrong does not allow to

have real criminal investigations if your country into europe or because russia is not a member it is a true russia is we cannot be a member of the european law enforcement agency because this is for the. it's a name explaining it it's for the purpose of a member state so how do you know so far britain britain britain is also not a member or is it in britain is britain britain yeah great britain is part of the europe so but that does not mean that we do not cooperate we have already operational agreements with a lot of countries. and one of the operational agreements will be. indifferent which are also with the russian federation and from that point onwards we will be able from we'll sit. on the table to start to investigate. crime in different countries you said you envy the russians because

they have a great country of training only one. criminal kodiak compared to you had twenty seven so can you can you tell us how different is the russian legislation russian russian practice from yours is it is it is a lot different we're all the same for your yeah yeah i mean for from your point of view it's a difficult question because i'm rich and i think. it is not that much different. so in principle in principle so all of the road based on the roman law i mean that's pretty much the same somewhere which makes it pretty easy for you to make common common term glamourous i'm pretty sure from that point a few. there will be no major constraints. and russia what about

what about the russians do you feel there's such a thing as witness protection maybe now one of the list problems that your rational colleagues have to sell because because for me reading the newspapers which you obviously also do i don't think. this will be their priority in the coming couple of years they do agree. this is the decision taken by russian authorities what is very worldly and what does not prove it. but if you allow me to tell you my honest answer so my president my president for a few if you would like to be successful in the fight against organized crime serious crime and terrorism cases lead to have in place was a functioning witness protection program but. in these cases after action of high ranking officials when they are trying in a court of law how can

a witness be assured that relatives or friends or some other contact of a high ranking official that they will get in any way that they will not get the date and were never hears relocated or whatever how can you guarantee that. it can't be guaranteed to be functional replace the professional witness protection so this is the top of it for their children to avoid such things that they get known. you are going to put your house in a place of it's one of the special picnics we see made with this production and sale therefore it is recommended. high standard functioning with this protection program going to place so you want to say that in this respect the police force the taxing the technology we have and the and

the law that's on your service is more powerful but the highest ranking officials in the respective countries that we need to have more power and and you do have authority over i mean some sort of information is that true i would say it is this protection program is it's not. the authority for people's protection unit. placed on a lower level in the iraqi. resort and station of a minister who was there for. if it is located if we would like to have it in this. you're not sure of the of the cases. placed in really high level ministries of justice to live for us or in your case i would put those witness protection and i think this was your

question the leak. of information give this information in your head a witness going to be sure that the leak will not take place and say ok thank you thank you sir thank you very much and just to remind you that my guest today was pristine powered project coordinator for witness protection at the rope and that's it for now from all of us here if you want ted yourself spotlight we have someone in mind for you pain patient when it's time to drop me a line out at our t. t.v. dot party you and let's keep spotlight interactive will be back with more features and comments on what's going on in and outside russia until then stay and r.t. and take you think you can push us to see what.

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