talk of the lone show we'll get the real headlines with none of the mersey coming live in washington d.c. that's right we're going to ask what we're supposed to do in a recovery less recovery companies are hiring profits are rising and economic growth is lacking that's even better reserve chairman ben bernanke you confuse so dean baker is going to join us to try and hash it out then tim weiner is just written a book on the history of the f.b.i. so do the failures outnumber the success and in the balance between liberty and security where does today's f.b.i. fall then about two hundred u.s.

marines arrived in australia today for what will be a u.s. troop presence of twenty five hundred adventure so what are the real strategic plans for the u.s. being down under we have all that and more theater night including a dose of happy our first take a look at the mainstream media has decided to move. now if you guys think of the overall discontent that the occupy movement the fight for more fairness for lower instead of higher tuition rates or schools over think again yesterday we saw police in santa monica again resort to using pepper spray against young demonstrators. monica college is now investigating the pepper spraying of students who were trying to get into a board of trustees meeting at santa monica college in california the students gathered to protest the high price which is an issue can see. about two hundred of

them are protesting a plan to raise fees they try to school until the trustees meeting last night someone pepper spray on the authorities the officers outside the meeting room were overwhelmed by the crowd and trying and then use the pepper spray about thirty get to be treated. as just taken to the hospital with bleeding problems. now when i say again i mean it was the santa monica police department's pepper spray students more than once but again we're seeing police departments react this way but if you want to know one of the reasons the students are protesting is because two whisenant california's community colleges rose by thirty seven percent just this year thirty seven percent that is the steepest increase in the entire country but the point is that you wish rates are going up all across the country from community colleges to public universities this all during the same time that student debt has now surpassed credit card debt is the biggest burden on americans and is over one trillion dollars just too bad the mainstream media doesn't really

talk about these things right there how to show some sexy pictures of students getting pepper sprayed but they don't provide the context for why this is going on so this is where we have to start talking about what the president brought up yesterday fundamentally different visions for the country for where our money should go what we should invest in now if you want to compare the current budgets that are being proposed for example you'll see where the president paul ryan's priorities like president's budget for a two point five percent increase to the part of education that's the largest increase for any domestic department and the budget would also set the maximum pell grant five thousand six hundred thirty five dollars which is an increase of eighty five dollars now it's not huge for students that need the support. definitely not nothing if you want to talk about community colleges particularly the president proposed eight billion dollars for the community college to career fund with a goal of training two million workers for specific jobs in specific high demand industries those are areas like health care transportation and advanced

manufacturing who've got a lot of people out there to grieve but who are lacking the skills that are required for certain jobs so the system isn't working as it is so we need to rethink we need to retrain we need to be more realistic now if you want to look at the republican budget on the other hand you don't have as many exact figures but just think of it this way paul ryan is slashing non-security discretionary spending and guess what that means that means a cut to k. through twelve education funding not to mention the proposal yeah i'm saying education training employment social services all into one group so all of them will be about twenty percent and that includes aid to cities and state governments so what happens when they have less of that money well they have less they start cutting more and then they start raising tuition. so while a lot of the time you might think something like that countered with an increase in pell grants that's not the case of paul ryan's world because he is the lashing away

at pell grants to like i said two very different visions for the country and this is what the president made yesterday when he referred to the republican vision of social darwinism but the truth is that when it comes to helping students all parties are guilty of failure president obama has actually through the years proposed more money in these areas in two thousand and nine proposed ten billion for community colleges in a day they only got two billion for job training in two thousand and eleven he proposed twelve billion dollars to invest into community colleges as well as five billion for infrastructure and renovations but those are also parts of jobs plans that didn't get anywhere in congress or some of our funding got thrown in with a bigger piece of legislation and eventually because i think that this president wants to invest more in our education and i support that but no matter how much he wants to do something it's congress that has to pass the bill and so what happens because of the partisan bickering is that students and young people in this country are the ones who suffer all the way through media spent plenty of time talking about the different budgets all we hear are talking points rarely do we see

a human side to it what happened to the students santa monica yesterday that is the human side of things you also have to realize that it's all part of the bigger picture it's all connected that's of the mainstream media still fails to do the political infighting the real world consequences as two completely different stories because they're also to remove from the real world they're too caught up in this power bubble of washington d.c. so seeing the battle for the future the battle for more fairness and cheaper education today all that is what they choose to miss. it's well as we see a battle the words here in washington over partisan budgets but we will and won't invest in it we also look at current economic trends. if we might get some answers although the recovery technically ended halfway into two thousand and nine i can all the growth has been anything but strong two thousand and eleven it was only one

point seven percent economists are predicting this year to be right around two percent but the thing is that the economy is adding jobs as recent monthly reports of show and although we won't know the official march numbers until this friday automatic data processing released their own reports today they show that two hundred and nine thousand jobs were added in the private sector so companies are hiring and the economy isn't growing it's a predicament in federal reserve chairman ben bernanke he expressed puzzlement over just last week so that we make of this recovery less recovery and how should it shape the investments we make for future here discusses at the is dean baker co-director of the center for economic and policy research and author of the end of loser liberalism making markets progressive he may soon be back on the show tonight with it for me ok before we get into this other predicament that i just mentioned let's go back to the budget that i started the show with and i want to replay what it is that we saw the president say yesterday. this congressional republican budget

is something different altogether it is a trojan horse disguised as deficit reduction plans is really an attempt to impose a radical vision on our country. it is thinly veiled social darn darwinist. so the words you know are strong he's calling a radical me veiled social darwinism and he's even really got tim geitner on the on the ball game with and soon because geithner went out and said this strategy is a recipe to make us a declining power a less exceptional nation that is a dark and pessimistic vision of america i mean we hear this kind of stuff all the time you know in our political discourse and often it comes from the other party i mean people really do just have to look at the budget their own budget i mean it would have projects first off they're proposing you basically get rid of medicare as we know it had the silly argument about is that it was

a choice once or post medicare is a voucher system so that as we know what i mean it's not what i know it's what most people think of medicare and that's what he has there's no doubt about it but the other thing is he's proposing to little down the signs of the federal government he wants to leave at least as he puts it social security and spending on health care more or less in place if you actually look at the numbers he has what he's proposing is that in forty years basically everything in the federal budget except for social security and health care spending and defense would disappear i'm not kidding i mean it's three and three quarters of a percent of g.d.p. is what he proposes to spend on the military and everything else we spend four percent g.d.p. on the military now and he just want to cut that you criticize president obama for being weak so he basically called the generals liars a statement saying i want to get rid of the drug administration the state department you know the highways you know the airports we're going to get rid of all that in his budget so that is pretty radical i think president obama's right it's radical and it's like i said it's a fundamentally different vision in other words any vision of what you want the

country to look like are like it's like a vision but do you think that it is social darwinism thinly veiled or not i don't even think it's coherently i mean i don't i don't i'm sort of inclined to believe he doesn't really know what he has in there you know because he's been going out there you know he was very of so close paul krugman the columnists economist princeton so that he was. to raise tax revenue by this is actually what he says he proposes cutting the tax rates on wealthy people he says but we're going to make it up by raising revenue by doing real loopholes so apparently they get very upset at that will that is what it says so i think he really doesn't even know what's in his own budget chair paul ryan be doing these budgets and its allies here illegally also carry your heart of this is that he's going to be viewed as an intellectual washington although you know pundits are saying well he's you know you may not agree with him but you have to take him seriously you look at the budget there is nothing there to take seriously happened just because he was young and good looking and charismatic i think i think you know i remember debating a back in zero five he's a nice guy personable character i enjoyed meeting him you know so i think i think that's it you know and he certainly he at least present he puts the numbers whether

he knows what they mean or not is the number another question but most these people will even put on numbers i think their security even put their numbers in obviously represented grandstander again you may not know what they mean but at least his numbers on paper and i guess if you say i have i have numbers that you know that it gives you some kind of credibility but let's move on to this other thing i was talking about to you is what's really going on it with our economy right now and with what we want to call a recovery rate if you look at depressions recessions in the past usually they're followed by this booming recovery and we're not exactly having that and so you know what's going on in your rights well you know this is a big surprise basically we got here because the housing bubble collapsed it's not a normal recession usually when you have recessions brought on the federal reserve board trying to stop inflation and raise interest rates goes too far doesn't raise interest rates people stop buying cars they stop buying houses when they want to get it get things moving again the lower rates there's pent up demand for cars and houses and that sends the economy that's sort of the kindling that sets the fire

going this case we've got here because the bubble housing bubble collapse there's no pent up demand for housing interest rates are already as low as they're ever going to go so there's no sort of switch that the fed could hit or anyone else could get for that matter to get the economy going so we're seeing some growth we had three. percent growth last last fall last quarter that's not bad it's not great i mean would you like to see it coming down to like this is six seven eight percent growth that's what we had eighty three coming out of that recession seventy five coming out that recession so we're seeing weak growth compared to prior recoveries from bad recessions but we are seeing growth the growth is there but it is very weak but see you also have to ask where exactly the money is going right because suddenly it looks like companies are hiring generate not suddenly but slowly gradually they're hiring at a faster you know a larger pace and we know that they're making profits because we see these numbers come out all the time whether you know it's some of the biggest corporations or whether it's wall street recommended though and so are they it's all going overseas

where is that no one any good you're sitting on it they're paying a lot on dividends probably heard of course eight hundred billion that they paid out of big given and so we're seeing a lot of that they're paying it on dividends are looking to buy other companies in some cases but they're not investing so we see that me and that's you know that's kind of the big point that many people miss certainly the conservatives in this in this story they have this idea that you know if we were really nice to corporations we give them more money we don't pay any taxes we're going to go invest it doesn't make sense to invest in the seed to me and they're not suited to me and right ok and so. he also basically say that there's isn't going to be any new quantitative easing which i think a lot of people would agree with is a good thing but at the same time you have people like bill gross freaking out because what are they going to do if there isn't even money out there well i think we probably should have another point of using his we have no fear of inflation whatsoever no realistic fear and we should be trying to boost the economy what's happened is you have the inflation hawks yelling and screaming oh my god oh inflation inflation we do it it's whatsoever your hand somebody comparable voice on

the other side so you have a few of us slowly coniston or pays attention to saying hey we have to do so you boost the economy ok but what about the fact that we see you know rising commodity prices around the world i mean the fact is that there's more dollars everywhere is going to create you know inflation and the parts of the world that's going to trickle down. well you are very hard pressed to make a claim that the rising commodity prices are doing quantitative easing because it's rising in all currencies going against the yen against the euro against all currencies to say that our current ab's and how much i can come out across that's pretty hard to tell i think really what's going to come on the prices is there's always some illness speculation but you are seeing increased demand because you have economies trying to deal with america that are growing fairly rapidly and they're outstripping supply are the last thing i want to ask you a nonsense to is that i am after after christine legarde basically the other day i asked for more money she said you know good compared to where we were sixty years ago we just don't have the funds and so she's asking western nations right she wants the u.s. to put more money in but what do you think they're changing dynamics is it that

china isn't india's that are actually in a better position to contribute world in a better position of course and why should they it's not it's if you say the u.s. treasury controls so why should they take their money you give it to institutions the u.s. treasury controls and of course the media is the euro zone crisis and european countries have the money so you can only give them a kick i mean they're just you know. absolutely you know the fears about inflation and they're preventing you know the eurozone crisis from being resolved and i thank you so much for joining. us time for our first break back to break down just how much average family contributes to the fence and then we'll talk with former new york times reporter and author tim weiner about his recently released book on the history of the f.b.i. .

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all right it's everybody's favorite time of the year tax season of federal tax returns due in less than two weeks and i mean so many americans are going down trying to figure out just how much the federal government owes them or just how much they owe to the federal government but with the type that line drawing closer that means another thing the release of this year's better all taxpayer receipt see last year the white house rolled out the receipt for the first time and they've just recently released this year's receipts and basically what it is is an online tool that lets you input how much you paid in taxes over the last year and it calculates how much everybody went where so first let's take a look at the percentages this pie graph right here breaks down the fourteen major categories that your money went to last year and it should come as no shocker that the largest piece of the pie twenty point nine percent of the money well i went to

the sacred cow of national defense spending twenty three point seven percent of your money that i'm going to health care eight point one percent of your money is interest on our debt is not nice and just point four zero point four a little percent of your money that went to the response to national disasters last one is far from big money and that's why i decided point out this is pretty interesting to me that we spend this huge sliver of the pie on our wars and military salaries weapon self defense related f.b.i. activities but we spend just this tiny itty bitty little bit right there a natural disaster response remember the way the response to hurricane katrina played out it really shows not to mention many people including the former mayor of new orleans believe that today we are no better prepared to handle a disaster of that magnitude than we were almost seven years ago but let's get back to the federal taxpayer receipt shall we if you go to the website you plug in the

numbers for a family of four that has a household income of eighty thousand dollars you'll find out that they spent one thousand one hundred forty thousand dollars and ninety one cents on national. that's with four hundred and seventy two of those dollars. a little sloppy with my out of my drive or hundred seventy dollars going to pacifically to ongoing operations now with a recent poll showing that more than half of americans don't think we should be in afghanistan anymore it's pretty interesting that according to the bureau of labor statistics the average american family is basically spending almost the same amount on wars that they don't support as they do to feed their family for one month now while the us falls behind in global education rankings only a hundred and ten dollars and sixteen fence about eighty thousand dollars of your income a year goes to education now currently obama and paul ryan are having a very public spat about their respective budget plans for twenty thirty mm. the

president just gave us a budget which says let's raise tax rates and loopholes pick the winners and losers and complexity to the tax code the republicans running congress right now have doubled down and proposed a budget so far to the right it makes the contract with america look like the new deal. now in reality there are some similarities in the plans and some pretty big places both the budget support cap on medicare's growth rate more tellingly neither budget would address the disproportionate amount of money that the u.s. spends on national defense the ryan budget continues on the g.o.p. tradition of force feeding the pentagon creating a military and the obama budget cuts some defense would see some cuts in the short term by twenty seventeen we've been paying thirty six billion dollars more in our military than we did this year so in tough economic times families have to go over their budgets right see where they're spending their money prioritizing what they

want to spend their money on in the future so before you form any opinion about any thought or a budget plan although i kind of think that before last discussion you can see which one is better i do suggest you visit the white house web site bigger out just how much you're spending on governments or structure programs just to put things in perspective so you can figure out what's really important to you and where you really want your money going. now the f.b.i. is one of the most powerful secret intelligence services that within the us has no form or charter its itself is itself excuse me is shrouded in secrecy and it regularly bends or breaks the law to achieve its mission of stopping violence before it happens and by looking at the f.b.i.'s history and throughout the years had an embarrassing record of failure and spoke as too much an imaginary threats rather than the real it's become a tool for partisan politics and found itself competing with the cia and was so far the most definitive history yet on the f.b.i. our guest tonight looks at the challenges from the rate of hoover to the days

bureau a directed by robert mueller and perhaps what's most important is ask if our intelligence apparatus can be effective and strike a balance between liberty and security joining me from our studio in new york is tim weiner pulitzer prize winning reporter and author and his latest book is called enemies a history of the f.b.i. so i want to thank you so much for joining us tonight and i guess my first question to you is how do you want people to think of the f.b.i. what do you want them to walk away from or walk away with after reading your book and i supposed to think that this is an organization out there that's that's really keeping me safe or just wants poorly run that's a massive bureaucracy that's made a lot of mistakes and has been considered an embarrassment at times well the f.b.i. has been with us for a hundred free and i would say in the last three years are starting to get this very crucial balance right between civil liberties and national security on the other the constitution demands. we want to be safe and we want to be free but these

are opposing force and so strengthen the balance rests with the f.b.i. . ok but so are you know this is one of the things to you by looking back at the history and looking at our current f.b.i. director robert mueller you used think that it's been he's been doing a good job for the last couple of years and i think you give him a lot of praise but you think you might be a little too easy on him because if we think about what's happened in the last ten years right since the war on terror and we think of what the f.b.i. has done and in the sense that they still are serving you know they're surveilling people in massive ways on many levels and there's a lot of monitoring going on not just by the n.y.p.d. also excuse me not just by them by the f.b.i. but also the n.y.p.d. but they're also supporting things like the patriot act you know what do you say about all that well look when the f.b.i. went down the gone ton of the two thousand and two and saw it with the cia and the

military were were doing to prisoners it opened up a fall called war crimes when the show was happening in the cia's secret prisons and that abu ghraib they reported it all the way up the line and when robert muller the current director determined how deep president bush's electronic surveillance was going spawning on americans he pushed back and he told the president if you get this program that inside the law side the boundaries of the law or i quit now what would have happened if the f.b.i. director had resigned in protest bush's government would fall ok but at the same time we then saw the congress step in and decide to just change the laws so that the wiretapping program could also neatly fit into a if we also talked about this file of work crimes what was the result of it i think there may have been some good intentions there but you know but hasn't it also been expanded in many ways that haven't necessarily actually produced good

results that have brought liberty back to the american people in that sense. well look back over the history of the f.b.i. which is dominated by j. edgar hoover who ran the f.b.i. for forty eight consecutive years bugging wiretapping spying on americans breaking and entering over was the law today i think we have a better balance we've got a president who understands the constitution unlike his predecessor and we've got meth the other record we actually cares about striking this pounds this is something new. one hundred three years of history i'd say the last three years they're trying to get it right and they deserve some credit for that now go back over time the god was vote was because hoover was the overall ok all right you know i'm also curious then what you think of in terms of the f.b.i. often going after perhaps not the real threats that we face at the moment or that

we will be facing in the future which is their mission but he's rather and madge unary threats and you know you talk about in the history of it where they continued pursuing communists right even though that soon just became a threat of the past that wasn't really what we needed the f.b.i. to be focusing on and so if we look at it today in so many of their operations focus on these lone wolf homegrown terrorists and same thing that threat hasn't really shown itself to be a massive problem that that they sell it as and instead we've actually seen a lot of cases of entrapment and so i mean are they are do you think they're getting better at that or is that just a fundamental issue that the f.b.i. has always had. i think that's a fundamental issue they've always had i mean look ever since the united states became a superpower there have been people who want to blow up buildings people and alter or abolish the american form of government some of them have been violent and the bureau has often broken or bent the law in pursuit of national security and f.p.

called on the press by civil libertarians and i think today if you want to look at the whole history of the cia they're getting better at this do they get it right all the time absolutely not because they confess or when they screw up they actually do and that is something new under the sun ari and then one of the other things that you discuss is that you know our intelligence gathering really isn't all that old if you want to compare it to tell their country their empires out there we know we have been doing it for as long a time to tell me all to tell you kate you know we have more money to dedicate to these things we have more resources we really are pumping everything we've gone into it you have no money doesn't buy you intelligence we are neophytes at this the russians have been at this since peter the great the british since queen elizabeth the first five hundred years ago the chinese for twenty six hundred years since sun tsu wrote the order war. to get intelligence real intelligence you've got to talk

to your enemy you got to know your and you better speak to him in his own language we don't speak arabic chinese we're to indy russian very well and so gathering intelligence which is a human endeavor not a technological form of expertise is something that we're actually quite new at and we've learned by our mistakes and boy have we made some. very tough i have been some big mistakes there but i guess the best way to learn from mistakes and not repeat them is to actually try to learn and read the history ted thanks so much for joining us tonight out of that period of history the f.b.i. thanks. ari take another break when we come back we'll see what our viewers like to say in another edition of you said i read it and i will look at the obama administration's asia that's two hundred marines land on the shores of australia all that information that.