tv [untitled] April 5, 2012 2:00pm-2:30pm EDT
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headline smartie in moscow a ten pm russian businessman big supposed to wait sentencing in the united states to being convicted evolving terrorists in conspiring to kill americans he could get life behind bars but insists he's innocent and that he's case and fabricate. the u.n. security council calls on the syrian regime to meet the april tenth deadline to pull back troops with a full cease fire on both sides in the forty eight hours which followed. i discovered how a scandal for rupert murdoch because his british t.v. news network admits allowing journalists to hijack private e-mail. about is more on the stories. just ahead though from pepper spraying protesters so to america's hard
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to spot recovery it's back to washington d.c. and our studio is there for an hour at the alone a show. back of the low nischelle we'll get the real headlines with none of the mersey coming live in washington d.c. now tonight we're going to ask what we're supposed to do in a recovery less recovery companies are hiring profits are rising and economic growth is lacking even got federal reserve chairman ben bernanke you confuse so
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dean baker is going to join us to try and hash it out then tim weiner is just written a book on the history of the f.b.i. so do the failures outnumber the success and in the balance between liberty and security where does today's f.b.i. fall then about two hundred u.s. marines arrive in australia today for what will be a u.s. troop presence of twenty five hundred then surely one of the real strategic plans for the u.s. down under are not all that morphy tonight including a dose of happy hour but first take a look at the mainstream media has decided to. now if you guys think of the overall is content about the occupy movement and fight for more fairness for lower instead of higher tuition rates in our schools over think again yesterday we saw police in santa monica again resort to using pepper spray against young demonstrators. monica college is now investigating the pepper
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spraying of students who were trying to get into a board of trustees meeting at santa monica college in california. and it's a. high price which is an issue can see and read about two hundred of them were protesting a plan to raise fees they try to storm into a board of trustees meeting last night someone pepper spray on the ground authorities say officers outside the meeting room were overwhelmed by the crowd and trying and then use the pepper spray about for the victims had to be treated. and taken to the hospital bleeding. now and i say again i mean it was the santa monica police department first grade students more than once but again we're seeing police departments react this way but if you want to know one of the reasons that students are protesting is because to listen to california's community colleges rose by thirty seven percent just this year thirty seven percent that is the steepest increase in the entire country but the point is that you wish
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rates are going up all across the country from community colleges to public universities this all during the same time that student debt has now surpassed credit card debt is the biggest burden on americans and there's over one trillion dollars just to get out of the mainstream media doesn't really talk about these things right there how to show some sexy pictures of students getting pepper sprayed but they don't provide the context for why this is going on so this is where we have to start talking about what the president brought up yesterday fundamentally different visions for the country for where our money should go what we should invest in you want to compare the current budgets that are being proposed for example you'll see where the president paul ryan's priorities like president's budget for a two point five percent increase to the education the largest increase for any domestic department and the budget would also set the maximum pell grants of five thousand six hundred thirty five dollars which is an increase of eighty five dollars now it's not huge for students that need the support. definitely not
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nothing if you want to talk about community colleges particularly the president proposed eight billion dollars for the community college to career fund with a goal of training two million workers for specific jobs in specific item and industries those are areas like health care transportation and advanced manufacturing and we've got a lot of people out there agrees we were lacking the skills that are required for certain jobs so the system isn't working as it is so we need to rethink we need to retrain we need to be more realistic now if you want to look at the republican budget on the other hand we don't have as many exact figures but just think of it this way paul ryan is slashing non-security discretionary spending to guess what that means that means a cut to k. through twelve education funding not to mention the proposal yeah education training employment social services all into one group so all of them will be cut by about twenty percent and that includes aid to cities and state governments so what happens when they have less not money well they have less they start cutting
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more and then they start raising tuition. so while a lot of the time you might see something like that countered with an increase in pell grants that's not the case with paul ryan's world because he is the lashing away at pell grants to like i said two very different visions for the country and this is what the president made yesterday when he referred to the republican vision of social darwinism but the truth is that when it comes to helping students all parties are guilty of failure president obama has actually through the years proposed more money in these areas and two thousand and nine he proposed ten billion for community colleges in a day they only got two billion for job training in two thousand and eleven he proposed twelve billion dollars to invest into community colleges as well as five billion for infrastructure and renovations those are also parts of jobs plans that didn't get anywhere in congress or some of that bunning got thrown in with a bigger piece of legislation and eventually cut and i think that this president wants to invest more in our education and i support that but no matter how much he
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wants to do something it's congress that has to pass a bill and so what happens because of the partisan bickering is that students and young people in this country are the ones who suffer of them through media spent plenty of time talking about the different budgets all we hear are talking points rarely do we see a human side to it what happen to the student santa monica yesterday that is the human side of the thing is you also have to realize that it's all part of the bigger picture it's all connected and that's of the mainstream media still fails to do the true political infighting the real world consequences as two completely different stories because they're also to remove from the real world they're too caught up in this power bubble of washington d.c. so seeing the battle for the future the battle for more fairness and cheaper education today all of that is what they choose to miss. also we see a battle of words here in washington over partisan budgets what we will and won't
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invest in we also look at current economic trends see if we might get some answers although the recovery technically ended halfway into two thousand and nine i think all the growth has been anything but strong composite eleven it was only one point seven percent economists are predicting this year to be right around two percent but the thing is that the economy is adding jobs as the recent months later reports are show and although we won't know the official march numbers until this friday automatic data processing released their own reports today they show that two hundred and nine thousand jobs were added in the private sector so companies are hiring but the economy isn't growing so it's a predicament in federal reserve chairman ben bernanke he expressed puzzlement over just last week so that we make of this recovery less recovery and how should it shape the investments we make for the future here this guy says that he is dean baker co-director of the center for economic and policy research and author of the end of loser liberalism making markets progressive again i said back on the show
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tonight for me ok before we get into this other predicament that i just mentioned let's go back to the budget that i started the show with and i want to replay what it is that we saw the president say yesterday. this congressional republican budget is something different altogether it is a trojan horse disguised as deficit reduction plans is really an attempt to impose a radical vision on our country. it is thinly veiled social dark darwinism. so the words are strong he's calling it radical the only veiled social darwinism and he's even really got tim geitner on the ball game with him soon because you know when our ad said this strategy is a recipe to make us a declining power a less exceptional nation that is a dark and pessimistic vision of america i mean we hear this kind of stuff all the
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time in our political discourse but often it comes from the other party i mean people really do just have to look at the budget their own budget i mean what it projects first off do propose and basically get rid of medicare as we know it have the silly argument about is that true is a false once replace medicare system bulger system so that as we know what i mean it's what i know when we get some most people think of medicare and that's what he has there's no doubt about that but the other thing is he's proposing to whittle down the size of the federal government he wants to leave at least as he puts it social security and spending on health care more or less in place if you actually look at the numbers he has what he's proposing is that in forty years basically everything in the federal budget except for social security and health care spending and defense would disappear i'm not kidding i mean it's three in three quarters a percent of g.d.p. is what he proposes to spend on the military and everything else we spend four percent g.d.p. on the military now and he just want to preserve being weak so he basically called the generals liars so he wanted to rid of the drug administration the state
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department you know the highways you know the airports we're going to get rid of all that in his budget so that is pretty radical i think is obama's right it's radical and it's a like i said it's a fundamentally different vision in other words any way you want the country to look i don't think it's like a vision but do you think that it is social darwinism thinly veiled or not i don't even think it's go here and i mean i don't i don't i'm sort of inclined to believe he doesn't really know what he has in there you know because he's been going out there you know he was very upset because paul krugman the karma sic on the mr. so that he was. to raise tax revenue by this is actually what he says he proposes cutting the tax rates on wealthy people he says we're going to make it up by raising revenue by getting real loopholes so apparently they get very upset at that well that is what it says so i think he really doesn't even know what's in his own budget said paul ryan be doing these budgets and its allies you will lose every dollar carrier regard to this is that he's going to be contributing as an intellectual in washington although you know pundits are saying well he's you know you may not agree with him but you have to take him seriously you look at the
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budget he is nothing there to take seriously what happened just because he was young and good looking and charismatic i think i think you know i remember debating it back in zero five is a nice guy personable character i enjoyed beating him you know so i think i think that's it you know and he certainly he at least present he puts the numbers whether he knows what they mean or not is the number another question but most people won't even put on numbers i think they're scared to even put on numbers and obviously represent a grindstone that again i mean i know what they mean but at least his numbers on paper and i guess if you say i have i have numbers that you know that it gives you some kind of credibility but let's move on to this other thing that i was talking about to you is what's really going on with our economy right now and with what we want to call a recovery rate if you look at depressions recessions in the past usually they're followed by this booming recovery and we're not exactly having that and so you know what's going on in europe it's well known this is a big surprise basically we got here because the housing bubble collapsed it's not a normal recession usually when you have recessions brought on the federal reserve
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board trying to stop inflation and raise interest rates goes too far with it those will raise interest rates people stop buying cars they stop buying houses when they want to get things moving again they lower rates there's pent up demand for cars and houses in that sense the economy it's sort of the kindling that sets the fire going in this case we got here because the bottom housing bubble collapse there's no pent up to me and for housing interest rates are already as low was there ever going to go so there's a new sort of switch that the fed could hit or any one else could hit for that matter to get the economy going so we're seeing some growth we're through. percent growth last last fall last quarter that's not bad it's not great i mean would you like to see it coming down to like this is six seven eight percent growth that's what we had eighty three coming out out recession seventy five from you know that recession so we're seeing weak growth compared to prior recoveries from bad recessions but we are seeing growth now the growth is there but it is very weak but so you also have to ask where exactly that money is flowing right because suddenly it looks like companies are hiring countering that suddenly but slowly gradually
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they're hiring at a faster you know at a larger pace and we know that they're making profits because we see these numbers come out all the time whether you know it's one of the biggest corporations or whether it's wall street or recommend the dough and so are they is it's all going overseas or is that you know what they're really good they're sitting on and they're paying a lot on dividends probably going to happen of course eight hundred billion to be paid out of big dividend so we're seeing a lot of that they're paying it on dividends are looking to buy other companies in some cases but they're not investing to lucy to me and that's you know that's kind of the big point that many people miss certainly the conservatives in this in this story they have this idea that you know if we were really nice to corporations we give them more money we tell you don't pay any taxes we're going to go invest it doesn't make sense the investor listen to me and they're not suited to me and right ok and then. you also basically say that there's isn't going to be any new quantitative easing which i think a lot of people would agree with is a good thing but at the same time you have people like bill gross freaking out because what are they going to do if there isn't anything money out there well i
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think we probably should have another round of quantitative easing because we have no fear of inflation whatsoever no realistic fear and we should be trying to boost the economy what's happened is you've had the inflation hawks yelling and screaming oh my god oh inflation inflation there's no evidence whatsoever your hand something comparable voice on the other side so you have a few of us not only economists in the potential to saying hey we have to do so you just the economy ok what about the fact that we see you know rising commodity prices around the world i mean the fact is that if there if there is more dollars everywhere it's going to create inflation in the parts of the world that's going to trickle down. well you are very hard pressed to make a claim that the rising commodity prices are doing your point a.b.c. because it's rising your currency is going to say yet against the euro against all currencies the say that are plenty of reasons how much i can commodity prices that's pretty story to tell i think really what's going on commodity prices there's always some moment speculation but you are seeing clues to me because you have economies china india latin america that are growing fairly rapidly and there are outstripping supply right the last thing i want to ask you and i sense to you is
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that i am after actor christine lagarde basically the other day i asked her for more money she said you know compared to where we were sixty years ago we just don't have the funds and so she's asking western nations right she wants the u.s. to put more money in but what do you think there well the change the dynamics is it that china isn't india's that are actually in a better position to contribute well they're in a better position to questions why should they it's not it's an institution the us treasury controls so why should they take their money give it to the institution of the us treasury controls and of course immediate issue is the eurozone crisis and european countries have the money so you can only give them a cape i mean they're just you know the germans who are absolutely nobody fears about inflation and they're preventing you know the eurozone crisis from being resolved idea and i thank you so much for joining us tonight thanks for me. break the bank that we can back to break down just found lots of average family contributes to the french profit and then we'll talk some former new york times reporter and author tim weiner about his recently released book on the history of
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charges oh oh. oh . all right it's everybody's favorite time of the year tax season with federal tax returns due in less than two weeks and i mean so many americans are buckling down trying to figure out just how much the federal government owes them or just how much they owe to the federal government but with the tax deadline drawing closer that means another thing the release of this year's better all taxpayer receipt so last year the white house rolled out the receipt for the first time and they just recently released this year's receipts and basically what it is is an online tool that lets you input how much you paid in taxes over the last year and the tell fellates how much everybody went where so first let's take a look at the percentages this pie graph right here breaks down the fourteen major categories that your money went to last year and if you come as no shocker that the largest piece of the pie twenty four point nine percent of that money well i went
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to the sacred cow of national defense spending twenty three point seven percent of your money that i'm going to health care eight point one percent of your money is interest on our debt is not nice and just point four zero point four a little percent of your money that went to the response to national disasters last one is far from big money so that's why i decided point out this is pretty interesting to me that we spend this huge sliver of the pie on our wars the military is weapon self defense related f.b.i. activities but we spend just this tiny itty bitty little bit right there a natural disaster response you remember the way the response to hurricane katrina played out it really shows not to mention many people including the former mayor of new orleans believe that today we are no better prepared to handle a disaster of that magnitude than we were almost seven years ago but let's get back to the federal taxpayer receipt shall we if you go to the web site if you plug in the numbers for a family of four that has
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a household income of eighty thousand dollars you'll find out that they spent one thousand one hundred forty thousand dollars and ninety one cents on national defense. that's with four hundred and seventy two of those dollars. a little sloppy with my out of my drive or hundred seventy dollars going specifically to ongoing operations now with a recent poll showing that more than half of americans don't think we should be in afghanistan anymore pretty interesting but according to the bureau of labor statistics the average american family is basically spending almost the same amount on wars that they don't support as they do to feed their family for one month now while the us falls behind in global education rankings only a hundred and ten dollars and sixteen fence about eighty thousand dollars of your income a year goes to education now currently obama and paul ryan are having a very public about their respective budget plans for twenty thirty mm. the
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president just gave us a budget which says let's raise tax rates and loopholes pick the winners and losers and complexity to the tax code the republicans running congress right now have doubled down and proposed a budget so far to the right it makes the contract with america look like the new deal. now in reality there are some similarities in the plans and some pretty big places both about his approach on medicare's growth rate more tellingly neither budget would address the disproportionate amount of money that the u.s. spends on national defense the ryan budget continues on the g.o.p. tradition of force feeding the pentagon creating a military and the obama budget cuts some defense would see some cuts in the short term by twenty seventeen we've been paying thirty six billion dollars more in our military than we did this year so in tough economic times families have to go over their budgets right see where they're spending their money prioritizing what they want to spend their money on in the future so before you form any opinion about any
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threat or a budget plan although i think that our last discussion you should see which one is better i do suggest you visit the white house web site bigger out just how much you're spending on governments or structure of programs just to put things in perspective so you can figure out what's really important to you and where you really want your money go. now the f.b.i. is one of the most powerful secret intelligence services that within the u.s. has no form or charter its itself is itself excuse me is shrouded in secrecy and it regularly bends or breaks the law to achieve its mission of stopping violence before it happens and by looking at the f.b.i.'s history and throughout the years had an embarrassing record of failure and focus too much on imaginary threats rather than the real it's become a tool for partisan politics and found itself competing with the cia and was so far the most definitive history yet on the f.b.i. our guest tonight looks at the challenges from the reign of hoover to today's
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bureau of the record by robert mueller and perhaps most important if our intelligence apparatus can be effective and strike a balance between liberty and security joining me from our studio in new york is tim weiner pulitzer prize winning reporter and author and his latest book is called enemies a history of the f.b.i. and out so i want to thank you so much for joining us tonight and i guess my first question to you is how do you want people to think of the f.b.i. what do you want them to walk away from or walk away with after reading your book and i suppose to think that this is an organization out there that it's really keeping me safe or just one that's poorly run that's a massive bureaucracy that's made a lot of mistakes and has been considered an embarrassment at times well the f.b.i. has been with us for a hundred and three years and i would say in the last three years are starting to get this very crucial balance right between civil liberties on the one hand and national security on the other the constitution demands we want to be safe we want
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to be free but these are opposing force and so strengthen the balance rests with the f.b.i. . ok but so are you know this is one of the things to you by looking back at the history and looking at our current f.b.i. director robert mueller you used think it's been he's been doing a good job for the last couple of years and i think you give him a lot of praise but you think you might be a little too easy on him because if we think about what's happened in the last ten years right since the war on terror and we think of what the f.b.i. has done and in the sense that they still are serving you know they're surveilling people in massive ways on many levels and there's a lot of monitoring going on not just by the n.y.p.d. also excuse me not just by them by the f.b.i. but also that but they're also supporting things like the patriot act you know what do you say about all that look when the f.b.i. went down the gone tahn ago two thousand and two and so with the cia and the military were were doing. it opened up the fall cold war crimes when the f.b.i.
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show was happening in the cia's secret prisons and it abu ghraib they reported it all the way up to lie and when robert muller the current director determined how deep president bush's electronic surveillance was going spawning on americans he pushed back and he told the president you get this program that inside the law side the boundaries of the law or i quit now what would have happened if the f.b.i. director had resigned in protest bush's government were to fall ok but at the same time we'd then saw congress step in and decide to just change the laws so that the wiretapping program could also neatly fit into a if we also talked about this file of war crimes what was the result of it i think there may have been some good intentions there by you know but hasn't it also been expanded in many ways that haven't necessarily actually produced good results that
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have brought liberty back to the american people in that sense. well look back over the history of the f.b.i. which is dominated by j. edgar hoover who ran the f.b.i. for forty eight consecutive years bugging wiretapping stung on americans breaking and entering over was the law today i think we have a better balance we've got a president who understands the constitution unlike his predecessor and we've got an f.b.i. director who actually cares about stretching the spell's this is something new. one hundred three years of history i'd say the last three years they're trying to get it right and they deserve some credit for that now go back over time yes god was lawless because school was the law ok all right you know i'm also curious then what you think of in terms of the f.b.i. often going after perhaps not the real threats that we face out the moment that we
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will be facing in the future which is their mission but he's rather and madge unary threats and you know you talk about in the history of it where they continue pursuing communists right even though that's just became a threat of the past that wasn't really what we needed the f.b.i. to be focusing on and so if we look at it today in so many of their operations focus on these lone wolf homegrown terrorists and same thing that threat hasn't really shown itself to be a massive problem that they sell it as and instead we've actually seen a lot of cases of entrapment and so i mean are they are do you think they're getting better at that or is that just a fundamental issue with the f.b.i. as always. i think that's a fundamental issue they've always had i mean look ever since the united states became a superpower there have been people who want to blow up buildings people and alter or abolish the american form of government some of them have been violent and the bureau has often broken or bent the law in pursuit of national security and half be
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called that oppress by civil libertarians and i think today if you want to look at the whole history of the cia they're getting better at this do they get it right all the time absolutely not because they confess or when they screw up they actually do and that is something new under the sun all right and then one of the other things that you discuss is that you know our intelligence gathering really isn't all that old if you want to compare a tooth out their country their empire is out there we know we have been doing it for as long a time to tell me also that he you know we have more money to dedicate to these things we have more resources we really are pumping everything we've gone into it you have the money doesn't buy you intelligence we are neophytes at this the russians have been at this since peter the great the british since queen elizabeth the first five hundred years ago the chinese for twenty six hundred years since sun tsu wrote the order war. to get intelligence real intelligence you've got to talk
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to your enemy you got to know your enemy and you've got to speak to him in his own language we don't speak arabic chinese we're to indie or russian very well and so gathering intelligence which is a human endeavor not a technological form of expertise is something that we're actually quite new at and we've learned by our mistakes and boy have we made some. now and that might have been some big mistakes there but i guess the best way to learn from mistakes and not repeat them is to actually try to learn and read the history ted thanks so much for joining us tonight i did history the f.b.i. thanks. are we take another break when we come back we'll see what our viewers like to say in another edition of news that i read it and i will look at the obama administration's pivot to asia that's two hundred marines land on the shores of australia all that interesting.
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