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the problem to you is that if you have no voice how do you get more people to can know this problem exists in the pay attention to it and to try to change it michel thank you so much for joining us tonight thank you for having a. car we're going to take a quick break here but when we come back drug companies are doing their best to keep your money and your pocketbook graphics. get all selections see a story and it seems so for likely you think you understand it and then you glimpse something else you hear or see some other part of it and realized everything you thought you knew you don't know i'm charging the market is a big issue. the
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our guys it's time for show and tell and i program now throughout the week we show you the clip where president obama bashes paul ryan's budget calling it a form of social darwinism we want to know if you agree with that statement so it's got a pretty separate reason essentially to find out what you have to say i'm in the streets of d.c. to tell people the nation's capital one of viewers had to say on twitter facebook and you tube and see which comments we should keep or delete. president obama called the g.o.p. budget social darwinism for wanting to cut things like scholarships medical research national parks so do you think that the president is right or the g.o.p.
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proposals the wrong cuts to make i'm going to read your response from rec he wrote in to say he agrees with the g.o.p. budget he said so be it i'd rather have a society that rewards hard working and taking risks rather than the handout society obama is creating she want to keep it or to leave it believe it. like tax cuts in the end of those budgets that's not financed so basically it's. it's very unequal he want to keep it or delete it i want to leave that sort of comment i think that a society that brings all the the people who suffer a little bit more is a better society not everybody that's getting these handouts and trying to rip someone off some of these people really needed gabriel he said i agree with obama on this one i also agree with his comparison of ryan's plan making the contract with america look like the new deal if you want to keep it or delete it. i would keep. the mainstream american public would rather have more of a balanced approach to help us you know richard it's not turn medicare into
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a voucher program john wrote in to tell us it's time to wake up and face the hard choices but the election aside these cuts and even more needs to be made and there is no time to play politics do you want to keep it or delete it i agree with. her need to be more cuts could do better by cutting programs that we spend excessively and unnecessarily on like national security people want to see cuts made and a lot of people know exactly what programs should be cut and their patience for these political games seem to be running out. all right thanks for your responses and here's our next question for you so our other show we just spoke with michelle alexander author of the new jim crow about the millions of americans who can no longer vote to felony convictions often for years after their release so do you think palin should lose their right to vote while in prison and after their release let us know we think on facebook twitter
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and who to thank you know is a response just might make. last year americans spent three hundred and twenty billion dollars on their medicine and was a rise of three point seven percent since two thousand and ten all according to a report by i.m.s. health now the industry also launched thirty four new drugs last year which was the largest number for the pharmaceutical industry in a decade but all of that was despite the fact that prescription use actually fell for copper last year as the doctor visits so you can probably blame the economy for that one so if that's the case how does the pharmaceutical industry keep getting americans to spend more money on drugs if i were sizing definitely plays a role. in every game and control room magic anytime. they want to does one with the rich dysfunction can be more confident in their ability to be ready with she on the street. cialis for daily use is a key to the little girl's tablet you take every day so you can be ready anytime
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the moments right. our guests tonight provides evidence of how the manipulation of our fear of our suffering our fear of death makes it easy for big pharma to convince us to keep coming back from war let's also not forget the big pharma doesn't act alone so joining me to discuss this is john many well andrea freelance journalist for the atlantic and author of the big three deferred aids changed a life in america john i want to thank you for joining us tonight and i mean were we really start here right how big of this entire industry that is peddling drugs to americans every day. how big is it well it's really touched on some of the numbers it's just tremendous it's it seems to permeate every aspect of our culture you know both economically medically and socially i mean medication is just part of our popular culture you know there's jokes about taking prozac or quit lutes or you
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know and you know there are a number of psycho active drugs so it's sort of a standard part of american culture but somehow or some of the specific ways that they really manage to keep it going to keep their profits up despite the fact that americans are going to the doctor less that they're getting their prescriptions written for them because let's face it it's a recession right if you know people are going to go to the doctor to treat some kind of ailment that they have if they have less money to just deal with the basics like putting food on their table. yeah absolutely it's it's kind of astonishing that as i looked into this. you know know you. john i'm afraid we lost you for a minute can you still hear me all right we're going to wait and see if we can fix our technical issue here and try to get john back on the line but i'm sure all of
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you watch t.v. every now and then and see all those drug commercials and just think about it really do they play to your emotions and some of the things if we don't get john back in the meantime he's spoken about is that they've also changed the metrics for the way that they diagnose some of the illnesses that are out there if you want to talk about diabetes if you want to talk about somebody who has high cholesterol often they change the maturation so people who once had cholesterol that was considered normal and now is considered a knee high and so they get to prescribe more drugs to you at the same time we see things like oh john we got you back. i hope so ok great well i was doing a little bit of the talking for you but that. was speaking about how you know one of the examples that you've been writing about is that they change the metrics for some of the conditions they're out there like diabetes or high cholesterol but why don't you tell us more about what they do in terms of even creating new conditions that that many people think that they have yeah absolutely it's it's really the
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most fascinating thing. you know take prozac for example this wildly popular highly profitable anti-depressant and it was about to go off patents and so the drug maker rather than allowing it to go off patent and risk losing these tremendous profits they essentially created a new disease premenstrual dysphoric disorder p m d d and they repackaged the drug which is flu oxygene that's the generic name of the drug that was branded as prozac so they took the oxygene and renamed it sarah so now if a doctor prescribes prozac for someone the pharmacist can fill the prescription with generic flux a team but if the if a doctor prescribes serafin even though it's the exact same drug as the generic flu
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oxygene they can only use that brand name so it's a pretty sly way to manipulate the market you know to increase the profits but yeah it's fascinating creating new diseases and expanding the netroots of things like hypertension so that you know one twenty over eighty which was considered normal is now sort of pre-hypertension they're going to start watching you you know tracking to see if you're going to need medication i guess if you know the catch twenty two of modern medicine is that you can. look at certain conditions and you know see what the chances are that someone might have it are earlier but then when everybody has a precondition to something then you start medicating it all but the last point that i want to get into here is that we we talk about the pharmaceutical industry and they seem like the big bad guys but they don't do this a lot you know what about the role that the doctors play yeah absolutely i mean the
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doctors are not every doctor and that's very important to point out make clear. but you know the doctors who have been susceptible to the grooming it's described as grooming almost like sexual predators you know. the way a pharmaceutical company will take a doctor sort of under their wing and pay for little things like nice meals continuing medical education. you know conference registrations little things like that that can be useful especially to younger doctor before you know it the essentially a sales force a very enthusiastic physicians who are happy to prescribe their their brand medications. so the doctors do have a role and that's the reason why it's so incumbent upon consumers to be really
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educated about the drugs you know. whether something is appropriate for them whether what they have isn't just a normal aspect of egypt you know male pattern baldness. i mean men can take to treat their male pattern baldness but one of the potential side effects of propitious is a director of dysfunction that you're going in another drug i think there's definitely a third i guess there are age gracefully anywhere but how the truth is that you know a lot of time you just got to go out there and do a lot of the research yourself but luckily you know you can find a lot of stuff online john i want to thank you so much for joining us tonight thank you so much a lot. i will got one more break but when we get back i'll hand out full time award to a congressman who thinks the don't ask don't tell can be a policy of the park place and i'm happy are one texas hospital is trying to trim the fat by not hiring people over a certain young life when this. wealthy
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i guided science and i still time ward and this one is going to g.o.p. congressman steve king see earlier this week scott keys over at think progress interview came for the to discuss the role of government in private business and the beginning of the interview king was eager to point out that he does not believe the government should have any say and who a private company hires or fires so he's followed up that statement by asking about situations where an employer might be discriminating against a gender or person's sexual orientation and this is king's response how do you know someone's sexual orientation i don't know how you discriminate against somebody because their sexual orientation that's their business there. are now see that's the kind of statement it's a total rhetorical copout and a way of skirting around the fact that king apparently doesn't think that discrimination is a problem because you can't tell by looking at
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a person what their sexual preferences but i guess we just have to pretend like discrimination based on sexual preference never happens i want to somebody does tell you who gave the interview then once you know does that change things when you're interviewing somebody getting to know them should they feel they can talk about their life freely now just to be clear to you can doesn't actually think that a person's sexual orientation is their business because he vehemently opposes same sex marriage so clearly he thinks that is somehow his business but what king is really trying to do is support the idea of a don't ask don't tell type policy in the workplace but if you don't but it's sexual you can discriminate against him. yeah that's right king says that if you just don't know anyone sexuality you can't discriminate against that so we should all keep her sexuality secret everywhere we go and that's going to prevent discrimination so gay viewers out there there's a closet in your work because you're probably just move your desk in there and consider it your new office because king's world you're not coming out anytime soon
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i mean i just love how king puts the burden on the employee to keeping the secrets rather than the employer not to be a bigot but again king opposed the repeal of don't ask don't tell in the military because in his words quote to change the policy at a time when american troops are deployed abroad under hostile fire is an irresponsible act well representative king hey employees aren't under hostile fire from anybody but you so what's your excuse here seems to me like a king is really implying that gays would have a problem if they didn't run around with their running around the running didn't run around running their mouths there we go about their gay lifestyle i mean god forbid that somebody would want to bond with their coworkers by having discussions about their life outside of work and i can't imagine a world in which someone like king would get their way on this but just resave we did put together a few tips on how to appear straight the workplace because in reality don't ask don't tell really means appear straight at all times so first try not to dress too
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well your well tailored clothes or italian shoes doesn't make people a little suspicious also please avoid any mention of the gay holy trinity that includes cher lady gaga and that you can so worship on but just on your own time in the privacy of your own home and finally no god or how shocked you are about something for the love of god do not hold your r.'s for example don't say girl under any circumstances no matter how shocked you are now all doing all these beings and trying to hide who you are oh that might be a little bit suffocating take solace in the fact the king it is don't ask don't tell the workplace policy are really just an effort to protect your privacy. i think if the federal government trying to decide someone's sexuality in order to make sure they're not discriminated against as an imposition or purpose get it the government try to protect vulnerable group vulnerable groups like members of the gay community from close minded prejudicial bosses is actually government overreach basically nobody should be at the any questions employers or the government are
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just kind of odd because when it came to asking questions to people with brown skin questions about their legal status thing was all for it. going to forty one status would you be getting people legally in the united states that the world i. mean you know we grew up in the police officer is he somebody on the street see why are you here what are you doing for us we. know it so you can see that someone is different fire away all questions are valid but if not mom with the word good to know so are basically blaming gays for their own discrimination and suggesting that to combat discrimination birthplaces across the country should adopt a don't ask don't tell policy representative steve king is tonight's poll timer.
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ok it's time for happy hour and joining me tonight r.t. correspondent christine and lauren lyster host of a capital account here on r t i care all. and all about going on ladies ladies happy hour. let's talk about this hospital and texas basically what they're doing is that they've stated they will no longer hire anybody with a body mass index of thirty five or higher to give you a little perspective of that that's two hundred ten pounds for somebody who is five five but i've got a problem with this because we've done a story like this before on the show that shows the the m.r.i. we don't have that clip. ok we have different thoughts about this. to the soon to medical center this hospital before in texas you laugh you know it's coming they have a strict weight policy it will hire people who are overweight and uses b.m.i. body mass index of the term. and who's out. anyway what
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i just said but i mean we do ping on our show reshow that you know you can't just look at your b.m.i. because one of our employees who just happens to be really buff and works out a lot was completely obese by that scale. is like the strongest person ever and probably one of the most healthy and in shape you know i know i really didn't have a problem with this story i was kind of understanding of the fact that an employer doesn't want to pay the health care or the added risk of having overweight employees i'm sorry i get that but when i spoke to the audience but also you have patients coming in and their nurses or whatever are obese you think it was a bad example but you know you know i think that's a good argument is that's what the hospitals argue but those point is that there is a. you're going to be paying higher health care cost because somebody is obese versus somebody that might have some other medical condition that you just can't see well that i would answer that obesity leads to diabetes heart condition and you
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know other things like that i mean if you just want to look at numbers and i'm not defending anything do you really need harvey at all around i mean you're not going to you know everybody that comes in with a health risk and that's that there is a certain amount sorry obesity a lot of that you can control what if they're the best doctor well then you have them and you're not a liar are make an exception well that's the thing i think a hospital would hire the best doctor especially if they could say you know we have the best doctor at our hospital they're probably not going to hire the other people who might weigh the same but you know it's just grim and torrie against obese people that don't have as cut and skills but if you make a certain policy and you're just going to start bending the rules that policy you have to look at how it works things aren't fair in this country and that was that's why i don't make a policy. for them around. to day is actually two years since wiki leaks released released released a lateral. all
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right. so we had. and i mean just think about it in the last two years everything that's happened this week i was a press conference when that video was released and i have to say personally that video and sort of what's happened since with the carson ration solitary confinement of bradley manning that has really changed me and the way i view the media the way wiki leaks is now thought of the way julian assigned is now thought of this was a big deal this was the job that the press should have been doing certainly this was classified stuff that the press normal press would have normally gotten their hands on but for me i mean two years a lot has changed and a lot of it has been a result of this video being released and what's happened the way
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a lot of people especially outside countries are just see i agree and i disagree because i think it's made a huge impact in terms of the way that people like you things and the way that people that are analysts and other discerning and maybe that are advocates and things are but i'm surprised how little has changed in terms of just mass awareness or caring about the wars that the u.s. is in and what they're engaged in so much a report that you did today you know how where is the is the masses of the u.s. population really i mean people protesting issues like inequality now but they're not really. has made a big impact i think you know internationally and so yes trying to have you start to ask questions as to what it is specifically about our psyche or get if i think the media doesn't want to talk about it because i mean a lot of other countries where we keep getting awards right out of the manning joining us on your getting. worded certain things be a human rights awards transparency award and the world is sick of the u.s. imperial power and they are happy that someone has brought awareness to it i don't think that americans. are aware of it in the same way i do some of their weight in
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the same way the majority. well yeah i mean it's too bad all the more reason we need to keep thinking about it. you know covering these important story completely but agree more let's talk about really kind of downers on happy hour today but you know it was really just weeks ago that we saw protests and violence all across afghanistan in response to the burning of korans by one person there. and are protesting koran burnings outside the bar military base as you can hear there lots of shots fired cars buildings torched at least five protesters have died the soldiers at agra air base were throwing out. of materials from the library the detention facility material that they felt was being used by the insurgency that they did not realize it was religious material. you know so that went on for a while there were a number of deaths and obviously that story kind of hit the back burner once
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through the massacre of seventeen civilians originally by sergeant robert bales but sergeant scuse me check out this story from the new york times and this is one of the stories where it's all quotes from anonymous officials so we know that someone is feeding it and it says just hours after it was revealed that american soldiers had burned korans seized an afghan detention center iran secretly order its agents operating inside afghanistan to exploit the anticipated public outrage by trying to instigate violent protests in the capital and across the western part of the country according to american officials so what the people of afghanistan really wouldn't have been angry if it wasn't for iran telling them they should be that's. going to have to run back in so you know back to iran it's all over here but you know i like this because this is the kind of thing that like some of the mainstream media grimaces about that other countries say when they say like us was involved in these kind of you know dissident activities and that sort of thing so start to say
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to us is the same thing they blame it on their enemies too like you know i just think that it's kind of oh yeah it's symptomatic it's what the critics say for not feeling it for what it is that's going on and talking about the fact that we've seen before protests before that there's been a war going on for ten years there but also i don't know you know when when anonymous officials feed stuff like this to the media i mean on the other hand let's remember this as you said is that it wasn't so far away general allen apologized president obama apologized it's not that our top officials in this country got up and said this wasn't a big deal they acknowledge this was a big deal but it is a very critical of journalism the new york times is just you just don't forget we're also trying to start a war with iraq ok not only i've got to wrap it up but thanks for joining me tonight that's it for tonight's show thanks for tuning in and they for the come back tomorrow former white house advisor banjo. it's going to be joining us and i mean time don't forget to take in a fan of the i want to show on facebook and follow us on twitter if you missed any of tonight's show or any other night you know it's cash coming in last few months
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